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I met you back when I was a baby podcaster yes you were you the little girl with the backpack that's exactly
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what you were to me and I and it's funny that's how I still see you I still see you sitting in the back of the room when
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we were at Purdue teaching and that's the first time I met you and you were just brand new to this scene and you're
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just starting up so yeah I was I weasel my way into a law enforcement crime assessment training you did and you made
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Richard Walter mad to be honest with you cuz like what's that little girl doing in this room why she here why is she
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here are secrets we can't let her know I went to two of those trainings and then you and I have you've
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been wonderful and helped us kind of work on a number of cases so you if people have listened to our shows you
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did an assessment on the P case for counterclock yes um we worked on darling hul together for deck investigates so I
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mean we've done this once or twice we have and you know what I like this collaboration um with you because it
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just kind of brings in a whole different world for me like I came to see you live
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in Philly um which was like they're these crime junkies are they are for real like I was like I was sitting there
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with my wife like I was like oh my gosh look at these people here and and you know you and I have we did a live show
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last year on the Sherry black case we did the Sherry black case again as a podcast and I just I I think we have a
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great relationship and like I said you you're still that little girl to me that I met how over many years ago um but
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you're still true to that and I think that's a big thing for me thanks