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Hi Crime Junkies. Um, not in studio today. I am in the field. I'm at the White River. And if you caught our
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episode on Bonnie Lee Shults, you might know why I'm here. So, after that episode, we got a ton of tips from
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people. And actually one of those tips was from somebody who was like scouring Google Earth, and they saw this specific
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anomaly that looked maybe like it was blue, like maybe it was big at this specific spot in the White River. We
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obviously passed that along to police. Um, we talked to Chaos Divers who had done a search. It seemed like that area
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had not been searched yet. We actually got together again with Chaos Divers, and we are now down here at the river
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to go see if we can find whatever that was on Google Earth in 2005, if it's still there, and then maybe determine if
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whatever it is is connected to Bonnie. So, this is a house that is actually closest to where we could see what
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looked like a car in the water behind. So, we came over here and >> Directly behind it?
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>> Yeah, like directly behind. So, we thought this would be the best point to put in. But, and the homeowner was
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great. Like she let us come on and look, but it's so overgrown behind the house,
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and it it's like a sharp cliff. Like we would not be able to get down to the water.
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>> If you accidentally drove off, if you got in an accident, to me it's like you
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could I think you could get out. Like if to me if her car is in here, like just seeing the the river right around
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this area, I feel like she like she's not in the car. >> If she drove into the water, that's
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right. But, >> That's what I'm saying. >> So, like if somebody put her in the car
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>> That's what I'm saying. I just don't think I don't think it I don't think if her car is in the river, it was like a
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car accident, like a one-person car accident. Not in the White River. This isn't like some big body of water where
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you like go in, you can't get like And every place I was going around here, like it the speed is so slow. First of
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all, no one said she was wasted. But, even if you were like wasted and like going off, like you're not going at a
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high rate of speed. I don't know. Again, I I know this area and I've always known
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this area, but there's something different about driving it like to where we're looking now that I was like
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there's no way you I don't think accidentally a one one person accident drive off and get stuck
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in the car. The car is put there to get rid of the car. >> Yeah. I and I look I like looked at all
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the different routes she could have taken. There's only a few places she even would have crossed
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the river itself where she could have driven in and I think any one of those places there would have been some sign
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that a car there had been an accident. If it is her car and it's here, I don't think it could have been put in anywhere
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that she could have driven in. I think somebody would have had to put it in closer to this location.
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>> If the person who saw it from after our episode, like if you if you can see it
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from Google Earth, I don't I don't feel like it's like so buried that we're not going to be able to find it.
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>> No, if it's here, we'll find it. And if it's not here, then it could have >> here.
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>> Something was here, right? In 2005. I don't think we've been able to like the river it's so bizarre cuz it was
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that one shot from 2005 where the water was clear enough to see something and I went through like every other year it
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was always like brown and murky and you couldn't see anything. Once a car comes to rest, it like it tends to settle and
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it's less likely to keep going. So, if it was like first floating and it traveled sort of early on like right
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after 1997 and this is where it came to rest, it could have been there for years
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at that point and maybe it still is. I think there's a better place up the road that is going to have like a more
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gradual slope and easier, but it's not far. Here with Danny and Mary Kate and Ruthie
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who so graciously allowed us to come on the property to access the water and they told us when we got here that we're
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not the first ones to be here this week. In fact, a couple of guys showed up yesterday looking for
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>> 3 days ago, I think. >> Okay. A few days ago. >> That was the first I'd heard of the case
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after they let I you know, I was still with the kid wrangling. I couldn't spend too much time with them when they're
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here. Uh immediately Googled it or talked to AI about it as soon as this as soon as
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they left, but Yeah, that's the first I heard about it. >> Did they have like equipment like
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searching equipment with them? >> Yes, they did, but I'm trying I And they they did say they would come
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back with sonar, I believe. >> So okay, so they're a little more than just like amateurs. They're coming I
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don't have sonar hanging around. So yeah. So um so and did they find anything? I
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think you mentioned that they actually did pull something out. >> Yes, they said that they found one or
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two car parts, I think. >> That's right. Yeah, so the report was they they they found some car parts, a
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brake pad I think they said. They said that they talked to ChatGPT and ChatGPT said it was consistent with a car from
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'92. Uh so that's when we started to think maybe they're onto something. >> This ground it's all ground.
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>> So is there any chance it could be in silt? >> I mean there could be, yeah. I mean
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that's the spot where the low head dam is. >> Right. >> it's it should be there's like one tree
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that like sticks out. >> so the object >> was >> right there. >> Could it be where the where the trees
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are concealing or do you think it's just all too shallow? >> Just think it's too shallow. I mean
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there's nothing there. >> I just if it was under where the reflection of the trees are, is there
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any chance that that is like a deeper spot? I don't I just don't remember exactly.
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Cuz I feel like whatever I I feel like whatever I saw was like kind of close to the edge.
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>> If there was a vehicle in there, somebody would have seen it. As clear as that is and as
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as rocky. Now that down there looks a little deeper. I could possibly from here it ain't too far.
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Just walk up there. I'll was walk in the water instead of putting a boat in. >> If it was like rocky but then there were
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also areas of silt, is it possible that >> It could get uh >> That it could >> get uncovered.
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>> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> All right. So, in this area, I'm just going to tell you that there's big
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boulders. It's not just sand. There's not just deposits. This is big boulders. Big boulders.
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Well, I'm getting deeper. I did get deep. I did get deep. All right. So, I am in
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about 5 and 1/2 ft of water. So, I am where that spot is. But, everything I've hit
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has been solid. It's pretty deep here. I was actually surprised. About 5 ft deep.
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I'm 6 ft, so uh right out there there's a little bit more depth. But, over here, it's about
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4 and 1/2 to 5 ft deep. With my feet, I can touch almost everywhere except for one spot. And it's
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about 7 ft deep, so the only thing I can say is I'll just get my gear on, float down there,
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dive it, and that's for sure going to tell me cuz I could see from here to probably almost every probably
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a good 5 or 10 ft of visibility, so and that's the only spot I can't touch and I can't feel. Everything else are
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these rocks. Be on my mind that we could have missed something, so with that being as deep as it is in that little
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spot, it's only from here to you that I had to put down and push with the I mean, it is it is just enough for a
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car. You are 100% right. So, I will get my gear on and I will dive down and search it.
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>> How long have you been doing this? >> 6 years. >> Wow. >> Hold on, 6 years. I'm going to go ahead and turn the
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cylinder on. Check the valves. 2870 Right now, I'm just checking my dump valves to make sure they're
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working. >> And what would that be? For someone And what would that be for someone who doesn't know what that is?
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>> So, the dump So, this air This fills up with air. >> Okay. >> And it's an it's an inflator. It
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literally I've got a big buoy on my back now. It compensates my weight, my gear,
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and everything and lifts me out of the water at a slow rate of speed if I wanted to, or it could hold me on top of
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the water so I can relax. >> Got you. >> And then whenever I dump this, that lets all the air out and then I get
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negative >> Cool. >> instead of positive buoyant. 2884 >> Is that good? >> PSI, yeah. I should be able to stand the
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water for at least 45 minutes to an hour. Well, probably two or three hours since it's
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only like 3 ft 4 ft deep in a lot of those areas. >> How far do you think you're going to go
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down? >> Only about 7 ft. >> Okay. >> I can touch the bottom, but I can't like I was taking the stakes
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>> Yeah. >> and just basically like a skier would >> Yep. >> and I was holding >> I was crawling
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cuz I couldn't touch the ground, but I can jump up and then hit the ground with my with my
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feet, so >> Got you. >> We're good. When the middle it's a little deeper and all I want to
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do is try to get on my back and just float down and let the current take me down instead of try to walk. It's hard
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enough to walk with these boots and those rocks to where I can actually go in the middle there and get in that
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little deeper water. It's only two or three foot, but at least I can travel a little bit so I don't have cuz 80 lb on
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my back. >> So, I'll float back to that spot and then >> Then I'll just dive. >> the burner. Okay.
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>> I got my flashlight and my mask and that allow me to look around and I'm just
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literally just going to go circle around that deeper hole that I couldn't walk I couldn't go through with
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the stakes. I know where it's at. >> He was holding >> He was holding something up. It's only
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It looks like That might be a tire. I'm not sure. >> Wait, what? >> He was holding something up.
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>> Wait. >> He held something up like it was waving in the end. I want to say tire. I'm not
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sure. I fully unconfirmed. Well, I tried to bring this rim with me. >> He just yelled out that he found a rim.
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He's struggling with something. We don't want We want to move it? Well, yeah. I mean, I don't want it to
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like go farther down. Like I'd rather Yeah, you don't want it to to go down and if it's anything that can be like
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tied back to her car. >> I feel the rim about >> How far down was it? >> 3 ft. 4 ft.
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>> We reached out to the guy who owned Mercury Sable of Indianapolis in the '90s. So, he's going to send us what the
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rim was and then we can compare. It's pretty It's been down there a minute, I feel
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like. >> That's the only thing I could find down there. >> Well, they had hubcaps on the Mercury
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Sable, so but they had spoke hubs and closed hubs, so >> That's the only thing I could find.
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>> Okay. >> I couldn't find any remnants of a car, any kind of emblems, anything.
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>> It'd be hard to find a number on this, too. So, this was the only thing that he
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found while he was down there that looked like it could be from part of a car. Holy crap. Is that for the That's for
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yeah, Mercury Sable. This was Yeah, it's I mean, it's listed on eBay as being We
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would have to fact check it, but it's being compatible from 1990. >> Oh my god. >> Wow, this is a
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>> It's It looks really similar. >> It's just like it. >> What about these holes? Yeah, yeah.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Holy crap. I think the next thing is to text IMPD. Yeah, I sent a text
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letting them know. See if they want it. I want to hold it until until they want to If they don't want to
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take it, then I think I don't know if I don't know if getting the rust off of it will
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even do anything. Like cuz that's my next step, but like that won't even that tells anything new. I just texted some
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people I know locally who own Ford dealerships cuz they would have Mercury. Cuz um my buddy said like there might be
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some old-timers there who like really would like recognize these, but I I like I don't want to mess anything up before
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>> Yeah, I don't know. Let's wait Let's wait till we hear from IMPD. >> Hello, this is Courtney.
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>> Hey Courtney, it's Bill Carter IMPD. How are you? >> Hey, fine. How are you? I'm here with
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Ashley >> Flowers, too. >> Hi. >> She's there? >> Yeah. Hey, what's up? >> in the water?
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>> Uh we did not go in the water. We had some someone who's much more trained to
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go in water than I am. I stood on the sidelines like a pro. >> I can see Ashley out there uh paddling
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around, but so are they complete there? >> Yeah, they're they're they're done. He
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said the He The only thing he found was this um this rim, and so we just don't know what you want us to do with it.
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If anything. >> Is it like a Is it a Mercury rim? Can they tell? >> So, it's it's all rusted. We We were
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looking up and we're just looking up stuff on eBay um and online, and it looks consistent with like what would
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have fit a car for like a 1990 Sable. >> Okay, I'm actually in Kentucky, but I can have the on-call come and get it.
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>> Okay. >> Or since >> I mean we can >> the fastest. >> We can I mean like again, I don't know
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that you guys if you guys are going to do anything with it immediately. I'm happy to hold on to do you guys
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until you're in town. >> to your guys' office. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Is that Is that too much?
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>> No. And there are There were apparently some guys who were here 2 days before us who went in the
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river and found like a brake pad as well. So, we're they if they come back, um the owners are going to try and get
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their information and and maybe they might have something for you guys as well. >> Well, that Here's my thing on that whole
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thing, okay? So, she has connections to that Is it the Riverview Yacht Club or the There's something up there.
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>> It's the Riviera. >> The Riviera. So, if that car went into the Riviera, Riviera, there was a
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massive flood that came through there after Bonnie went missing and it would it could have washed that car there.
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Then we talked to one of the home home home owners and he said that water the water level
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of the river was like so high up. So, it wouldn't it would not have been uncommon
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for that car to get stuck there and washed there. Um and we've drowned it and a bunch of other stuff, but that's
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probably the deepest part of the river right there is what they told us. >> And yeah, as we as we were looking at
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the Riviera is literally right next door to the property that we're on and it There's like a place where you could
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easily see like a a car going in. I just don't know that you'd have Yeah, I'm not
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getting into theories here, but yeah. >> I mean, she could have I I don't know. >> Yeah.
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>> always at a loss with her. >> Yeah. >> Cuz we have searched, oh my god. And I I
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know I know you probably talked to Sergeant Casey here, but the waters we've searched are just shoo.
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>> Yeah. >> Everywhere and I just don't know where she's at. I wish I knew. >> Yeah.
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>> Uh but that was definitely that was possible when we saw that. But but yeah, I can get that.
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I can come by your guys' office. >> Perfect. We'll hold on to it for you. Yeah. >> All right, thank you so much.
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>> Thanks, Bill. >> Thank you. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Bye. >> Bye. >> If that does come back to her car, then
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uh it's going to be an escalating thing. And I don't think the I don't think the
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city would have any any qualms on taking a dozer and shoveling that rock to see if there's a car under there. Everybody
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knows the story, but we're just trying to get waterways and this keeps spreading out until she's either found
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or all the places are searched. >> Yeah. >> So, that's what we do.