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[Music] advised hello everyone and welcome back to the show made by the crime junkie
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Ashley flowers for those who are crime junkie AF I am really excited about today's guest also a little nervous I
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feel like this is um a little bit of crime junky meat so Supernatural because we get to explore the supernatural side
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of solving crimes with none other than my next guest she is a New York Times bestselling author a professor of medium
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ship host of the deadlife podcast and she also worked at one point alongside investigators to help solve cold cases
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using her gift so please welcome the world-renowned medium and profiler Allison Dua thank you for having me I
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can't tell you I'm actually so stinking excited I feel like most people if they know you are going to know you two ways
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if they're like me they will know you from the show that was based on your life medium which was like my guilty
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pleasure I've seen the whole thing two times all the way through I have a zillion questions for you um or and and
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this was new to me because I'm not a reality TV person I had to do some homework before you came but you were on
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the real housewise for a minute uh yes I was I was a guest and you're having like
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a Resurgence in this moment in time because there's always a Resurgence so even as someone who who who never
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watched the real housewise I have um someone here I work with who is obsessed and she's trying to tell me about some
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nonsense that's going on in Sol I can't follow it right but even I have heard about
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this Infamous dinner episode and so it's slightly iconic I finally saw the clip in preparation for you coming my anxiety
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was through the roof watching it TR being there and have so and now you predicted
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this like breakup now it has all come to a head so many years later is Bravo inviting you back are you going to go
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back mic drop I'm pretty sure the way it works is the original housewife that pitches the show for her City I believe
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owns points on the show they have more control let's just say they have more control that would be Kyle who I made
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the prediction about so are they having me back hell no you don't think so I mean at some point rating alone I would
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the ratings would be great I don't think she cares about the ratings obviously CU
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it's supernaturally boring that's fair um but I don't expect to be going back I also turned them down on going on Watch
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What Happens Live oh yeah right afterwards they invited me on and I said no um because I was on my way to a
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charity event in Tucson I was actually at the airport to go to a children's event so um I think there's a lot of ego
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goes at play in the bravo bravo verse you don't say yeah so I don't expect to be ever going back um yeah Cam and I
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aren't really friends anymore so there'd be no reason for me to be there I was just there as sort of support for her
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that's how Kelsey um spun it for me to go with her that she was being attacked by Mean Girls yeah such like a like a
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blip in your life that I feel like it's getting a spotlight right now because you have done so so many other things
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you've been a practicing medium for 25 years is that what I heard I I was listening to your podcast this morning
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um can you tell me like how how does your gift work I'd like to start there okay because I don't know that it works
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how people think it does well it's interesting because everybody thinks mediums and psychics have the same
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function like that we do it in the same way and why I didn't know there's a difference there is a difference I was I
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became friends with John Edward who had the show crossing over we were on Oprah together years ago and I didn't know he
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didn't have sight I just assumed all mediums could see the other side and so some mediums can only see it but they
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can't hear it some can hear it and can't see it some H can do all of that which is what I do okay and so when I bring
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them through and wait is that different than a psychic okay or psychics predict future events and they can tap into
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energy mediums talk to the dead okay so just to give the difference and and most
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mediums are psychic as well and most psychics are not mediums so that's why you'll see so many psychics when you
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Google anything a service of that sort um and fewer mediums CU mediums have to be validated on the spot because we're
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talking about somebody you lost and you're able to validate the information with a psychic prediction you have to
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wait for it to pass okay got it so mediums are a better way to go if you're looking for somebody with
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abilities because they they have to prove themselves time and time again yeah so when did you know that you had
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this gift well I was six and I six and I went to my first funeral um so my great-grandfather died of intestinal
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cancer he was in a lot of pain I remember that he was a very sweet man and I went to his funeral and I saw him
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in the casket and I'm sick so I thought oh he's taking a nap and he's going to wake up and feel better CU that's what
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they did with us they laid us down for a nap and we became less cranky so I thought somehow it was going to fix him
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I didn't really understand death and my mom brought me home and she put me to bed and she went to bed and I looked at
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the foot of my bed and I saw my great-grandfather and he had no lines on his face he looked older and now I know
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why they do that for children they'll look closer to the age they were when they died um so they can identify him so
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we know who they are otherwise we'd see some young man that's 25 be like who are
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you and it would freak us out so this is a way for us to identify them do they appear differently to different people
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um when I bring them through for clients they go back to the age they were the happiest on Earth so when they fell in
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love when they got married when they had a baby sometimes when they won a Golden
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Gloves prize fight because I've brought through a lot of athletes and Comedians and people like that too so they go back
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to their Heyday whatever their heaven was okay and so I'll give the age and nine times out of 10 the person's like
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that's when my mom and dad met or that's when my son was the happiest before his
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chemical imbalance took a hold um so it was he did that for me so I'd be able to
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recognize him as my great-grandfather no lines on his face though there was like
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the age was gone somehow even though I could tell it was my grandfather and he said tell your mom I'm not in pain
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anymore and I'm still with her and those were his exact words so I hopped out of
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bed little red head black button eyes mom you know ran to her room uh gave her the messages and she just looked at me
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really angrily and she said go back to bed and so I went back to bed and I he wasn't there anymore and so I was like
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is he mad at me too did he leave like I didn't understand so it was very confusing and that's when I learned to
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not share what I was seeing with my mother did it happen a lot after that oh yeah it's kind of funny because I'm an
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Aquarius and we actually really like being alone we don't need other people around we're not that person we're not
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team players and um so I'd have old men in my room while I'd be doing playing a tea party that would be playing poker
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and they'd have suspenders and like the mustache and the hat I reminded them of their granddaughter but I could see them
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and they liked watching me play with my dolls and so they just sit there and play poker and smoke stoies and I was
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totally comfortable with that that's how I grew up how did they find you um is it
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location based or it's more energy that gravitates to the energy it needs or that it that it Vibes with so they
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probably missed their granddaughters their granddaughters probably missed them and being around me they were able
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to interact so they were around me so you never had a conversation with your mom about this I assume for a long time
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you just kind of just stopped with my mom I stopped as I became a teenager my friends knew so um they would say
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uh what do you think of my boyfriend I'm like so it was kind of a Kyle situation
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you know um but it was in the making and I'd say I keep seeing a blonde with him
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I think he's talking to his ex like I I would not trust oh my God what a fun friend to have in high school with you I
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don't trust him with your heart and they get mad at you like they shoot the messenger and so even when it turns out
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he was cheating with the blonde ex-girlfriend you still represent that infidelity to them it's your fault
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somehow they project and that's what Kyle did to me so I was not surprised like here done this yeah so it didn't
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hurt she was nobody to me it wasn't like losing a friend you know I'm like yeah no love
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loss whatever and um so it started there and then as you know and I I think this
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was something we were going to touch on when I was 17 and I moved the bed so I heard that voice that had always been
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protecting me say move the bed and my and Barbara was standing there and we were 17 you know and when you say I hear
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a voice is it like is it a feeling is it actual like an audible voice to you like
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what is it to describe it to people who don't sometimes it's outside of your head you'll actually hear somebody yell
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something or say a name and sometimes it's in your head like and that's why people dismiss communication from the
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other side because they're thinking it's their thought and it's just what they want to hear but in reality that's how
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they communicate with us it's part of their language so they will speak to us within our mind or um a sense of us
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knowing that it's them they'll speak through our heart and so they're telepathic so they're telepathically
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communicating with us without having to open their mouth okay which we're also capable of it's how I can pull thoughts
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off of killers is I tap into their head and I pull the blueprint of their energy
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what was the motive um did they know the victim was it sexually motivated was it
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financially motivated what matters to them were they beaten as a child I pull all this information and put it together
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so to me it's the same process as tapping into somebody's ex-boyfriend or um maritzio
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whatever so and so do you need to like be in the presence of someone no it just no I was trained in a laboratory so I
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had to be able to pull information and so I just take the first name of the person they want to hear from I read a
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lot of wives they give me their husband's first name oh really yeah and I'm like month and day they oh my God
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never I don't want to like I love my husband to death I don't want to know what's in his head I actually wrote a
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chapter called do you really want to know I was so tired I was so tired of people asking me things and then they
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were sorry cuz I'll tell them the truth I'll tell them the truth though I'm like
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not you don't hire me to not hear the truth yeah and so when um say Kyle asked about what I got on her honestly that
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was a thing that stood out in her energy the most was the threat in the marriage
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I answered honestly did I answer with panach yes I loved it so take us back to this moment so
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you're 17 in that moment what do what was the voice a scream was what was it so it was the same voice that had been
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talking to me internally since childhood so it had already saved my life one other time when I was 11 what happened
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then um I was on my bicycle and I was riding home it was daytime I lived in a cue saac and so I hadn't and I it's so
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weird to look back because I've worked so many um missing children's cases now I know exactly how they become isolated
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in that 30second or 60-second window so I was in front of an alley that was in between this street and the street I
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lived on so I needed to make make a left on my bike on the sidewalk and ironically on the other side of the gate
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that was my best friend's house so this car pulled up and it was two men and I'm
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older now so I understand cuz I was 11 at the time but um they wanted me to get in the car they wanted me to go for a
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ride and I'm on my bicycle and something was telling me not to approach the window like I knew not to approach and
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they were like come here come here um they're like we'll take we'll drive you home that's what they kept saying we'll
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drive you home and um this urgency this urgent feeling in my house being flash through my head over and over again like
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go to get home and so I took off on my bike cuz I was in shock I was sort of paralyzed in the moment when they were
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doing this cuz as a child they're very were very sensitive um I was feeling fear on such a high level like I knew
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this was bad and so their car was faced in the opposite direction that I was going going so they must have turned
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around and our culdesac maybe made a wrong turn so it was just I was in the wrong place at the wrong time took off
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got to my house told my mom she did what the majority of parents do with um reported child abductions and she did
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not report it and so I survived that and then at 17 when I was honestly I was going to a party with my friend Barbara
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and and I I heard the voice same voice say move your bed it was the same energy to the presence that was communicating
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with me so I didn't think anything of it so I moved my bed from the south wall to
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the East wall you're like real quick before we go to this party I just need that's what I did and Barbara was like
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why did you do that and I said that voice it told me to do it so like it's saved my life before so I listen she's
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like well what's that going to do moving your bed I'm like I don't know you're like hasn't let me down right that's
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kind of I didn't question it it was a faith that I had cuz I'd been connected to since childhood and uh that night she
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and I came back from the party she she was spending the night because you know her mom curfew all that you know that
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works and uh a truck drove through our bed my bedroom wall that night um in the middle of the night and so I woke up
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because the cement blocks were falling on our legs as the wall was coming down and there were headlights in the room
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and I'm kind of AI was probably a little buzzed so Kar back in the day good times um and
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and I saw the headlights so I thought it was my best friend Susie and I was like
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Susie just back your car out we'll put a poster over the hole in the wall oh my God I think you were more than a little
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I think so well we had jungle juice back then so probably we'll put a poster over
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it I know I'll put a poster over it teenagers no problem it's fine and um and then I realized what was happening
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because Susie's mom Sherry opened the door and she looked at me um shocked and because she had just said Thank God
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Allison didn't come home last night uh Allison and Barbara and then she saw we were in the bed and she was like oh my
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God and there were cops and fire departments and it was a drunk driver that had gone over three lanes of
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traffic over a divider through a backyard fence and through and through the back wall of the house and just it
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would have killed us because where I moved the bed from would have been under the wheels of her truck
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so literally I would have had the drunk driver above me as we're under it so I moved the bed to the only place in the
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room where we could have survived it wasn't that big of a room that's unbelievable yeah so I always listen to
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The Voice Skeptics are like how do you prove it I'm like you know what I don't need to hear your arguments this voice
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has saved me it's always been there for me and I'm going to listen to it before I ever listen to you criti me have you
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ever thought about the men that tried to take you or what whoever they were I did
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there were paper boys that were disappearing around that time that were being molested and statistically and you
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probably are aware of this but maybe your audience is not girls around the age of 11 are the most highly abducted
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and murdered of all children under the age of 18 so 11 is when we start giving them Freedom 11-year-old girls are
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actually the biggest Target because they're in between puberty in childhood so they they pedophiles are attracted to
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them so I'm just glad my instincts were there and that voice and um I said back then I'm going to grow up and put people
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like that away so that's where I started my journey of wanting to be a prosecutor
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was around that time and tell me about that what did what did that Journey look like for you so the first Glimpse I got
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in of that was when the TV show Adam came out about Adam Walt yes I've seen it and I was a little girl so I was
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probably around n then and he was six I think when he disappeared and I heard the word decapitated for the first time
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and I thought um who would hurt a little boy like that like what's out there that
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does that so then at 11: I saw what was out there that did that you know and so um I already had decided I wanted to be
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someone who put bad guys away when I was nine but then at 11 when that happened to me I was shown what the victim feels
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like seeing it through their eyes I go through the perpetrator cuz I don't like emotionally getting pulled into the
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victim story I try and go through the motives things that can actually help the police and um and so that happening
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sent me on a quest to go to law school and be become a judge eventually a Superior Court Justice is what I that
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was the goal that was the goal that's why I didn't get a tattoo that's why I didn't do half things half the things I
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didn't do because I'm like no I'm going to be a judge someday that would look bad have a neck tattoo right no no that
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was never imp Peril of that so um so yeah I lived life to be a judge and went to school and did all the proper things
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took my lsats and ended up being professional medium instead so so yeah when did that like sharp left turn
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happened so um Joe and I got married when I was 21 we've been together since I was 20 so I because you just knew I
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knew for I knew it was him I KN not in the beginning though I actually was going to pass up the love of my life
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when I met him I'm like you're not my type I'm not interested I'm on I was on my um sort of villain era as a girl
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where I'm like I'm going to be like guys are and date who I want and do who I want I don't want a relationship I was
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in that I was tired of being locked down in relationships cuz I had relationship
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energy apparently and guys were just as soon as I was broken up with one another
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one's like hey and I'm like oh God so women are like there's no nice guys I'm like well I smashed most of their hearts
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I think back in the day um but then I met my husband he's a rocket scientist oh and uh I didn't really believe him
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cuz we were at an ASU bar it was called Gators back in the day okay so I met my husband and we started having kids and I
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was fainting in pregnancy and they couldn't figure out out why and this ties into me at the laboratory so I
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promise there's conclusion um I would be at a grocery store and I just drop to the ground like black out and so they
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sent me to the chief neurologist at Barrow's Neurological Institute in Phoenix um and he ran brain scans the
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MRIs you know uh all of the tests you could put someone through and he sat us down and I kept the tape recording of it
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actually and he said um you have activity in your brain that looks like it mirrors epilepsy but you're not
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epileptic and he's like I've never seen this he said I don't have an answer for you he said after you have the baby if
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this keeps happening come back and so I went to the laboratory a few years later
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I thought they were going to hook me up because I wanted to know do mediums have
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different brain activity that mirrors epilepsy um take my blood look at my blood like I wanted to know can we
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pinpoint this people that's what I thought we were going to do um instead they put me through rigorous testing um
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testing my level of skill and my accuracy for four years four years four years wait where what lab what this was
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at University of Arizona okay and Gary Schwarz ran the lab then and um and I saw on TV and I'm like okay I'm going to
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go there I'm going to prove I'm average at this I'm going to go finish law school and live my life cuz I don't need
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this like I didn't want to do this and um so they put me through testing and my mentor at the time she went with me and
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we were both being put through the same test and they ended up cutting her from the lab she wasn't accurate enough mhm
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and they kept me and they were like what you're doing is extraordinary and so we
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need to study you and they kept writing books on me for four years we got to keep you in the dark for now got to keep
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you in the dark but all will be revealed that's exactly what he'd say after four
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years I realized he was just writing books based on my results and I left so um I did spend four years John Edward
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was also studied there Lori Campbell was studied there um the testing was amazing
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though um in difficulty level yeah so I learned a lot but that's where I learned I'm also a
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competitive person which didn't hurt um so I learned how good you should have to
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be you know to to do this professionally so then I was looking at all these other
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mediums like these yahoos yeah I'm like is there a b or a c or I'm like what is this is it a skill you can hone if I
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mean or you like have it or you don't I think that most people you have to take what you have and cultivate it okay and
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some people have it more than others totally and I believe it's genetic it runs in families and some I hear this
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all the time people will say well I'm not like you you know but you know I I dream about dead people and I know
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things before they happen I'm like so you are like me so what do you mean you're not like me yeah so um so that
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was interesting but everybody's had a grandmother or an aunt that used to do tarot or had dreams that somebody died
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everybody's got one in their family it seems so I believe it's more prevalent Than People realize and certain
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Generations suppressed it because it was bad which is why my mom reacted to me the way she did because was she familiar
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with it at all or not um my mom had a lot on her plate and here's what I learned about mediums and psychics they
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can have bad judgment because my mom isn't intuitive and she can tap in but I think a lot of people with abilities
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don't know any different than their own experience so they assume they're not really doing that much but my mom um God
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lover she's also been married five times so um I some people just have bad judgment they'll let their mind override
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their gut feeling right so it's like oh he's bad for me oh no that's just me that's fear talking you know and and
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women go with him anyways know and then it blows up and they're like oh I should
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have listened I knew I mean so many of my clients tell me when they were going to walk down the aisle they knew they
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shouldn't have and they did anyway because everything was ordered and the expectations it's like stop yourself in
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that moment trust your gut don't do it cuz the Grim's better off with someone that'll actually love him and you're
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better off going on your pursuit of somebody who is real in your life you and I think that
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everyone you know there there's an exception to everything but I think for the most part people have very loud or
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strong guts and like we like we like quiet them over our lives we let our mind override it we explain it away
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we're Our Own Worst skeptic yeah when it comes to those moments and I've even been guilty of it and I get mad at
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myself and I'm like Ellison you're you what are you doing yeah listen um but sometimes it's easier for people to let
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their mind win that argument against their inner voice yeah and I just learned especially as a professional
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medium I trust the dead way more than I trust the living so if the dead tell me something I know it's true and so I
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learned how to Stand My Ground in client readings for instance in the beginning I
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had a woman that I read my mentor was in the living room it was one of her friends and I'm reading her I'm bringing
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the husband or no he sorry this one wasn't dead he was still alive um she said whatat about my husband and she's
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asking me and I'm automatic writing on the Impressions I'm getting I was like he's having an affair and she was like
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oh my God he wouldn't cheat on me he worships me he totally loves me and I said well look this is what I'm getting
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uh this is the information that I'm picking up from the other side this is what they're telling me is going on in
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your life and she was like okay well let's move on and we go through the reading and then she leaves and my
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mentor goes her husband is cheating on her she's like she knows he's cheating on her she just is in denial doesn't
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want to talk about it and doesn't want it set out loud so then I never questioned it again so how did you find
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yourself in crime solving law enforcement okay so it started with Adam and then I started carrying an anet case
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I was a weird kid I watched 60 minutes I was always you know you were crime junkie is what you were I was a crime
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junkie as a child yeah it started early you need children's crime junkie t-shirt listen
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I'm like I needed a whole like Series yeah and so um I was interning in homicide and the fact that I even got
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the internship is and this is at the prosecutor's office right yeah this is at the America P county attorney's
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office and it was interesting because I knew me getting the job was divine I knew it was from somewhere else because
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I was stuck between do I want to do divorce custody law or homicide like a prosecutor and I'm like well as a kid
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you know I always wanted to put the bad guys away but you know I could help kids
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in custody situations and have like a child psychologist on staff and help them so I was a little torn so I went to
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homicide and they all told me no like everybody in homicide said no they didn't want they really didn't want me
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there the women were kind of mean quite honestly yeah I mean I was 28 at the time and they were not liking me being
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around and so I'm sitting waiting for my parking to be validated this man comes and sits next to me starts talking to me
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and he said why are you here and I said I'm here um for an internship like I really wanted to see if this was my path
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and he said did they find a place for you and I said no they told me you didn't need any he's like don't need any
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um he's like I need someone to like organize my files and help put things together for court he's like you can be
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my intern and I was just like really so he walks me back through the bullpen of women on the phone and he's like this is
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the new intern this is Alison DUIs and I'm just like hi you know who is the man um I've never I let's just say he was
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very high up in his division um he's retired from there since but although he met with the producers of medium and
00:28:53
they know who he is I've never outwardly named him because um I don't want him to have to answer
00:29:01
for my life you know okay but he knows who he is and he was he's still a very good friend important pivotal in my life
00:29:09
um but Glen Karen met him and so when he made uh manwel uh his character Deval around this man okay and his his
00:29:21
Persona so that was pretty great so anyways it was my job to sort crime scene photos to go to court and I was
00:29:27
sorting the photos and I was noticing that I was seeing what was happening in flashes before the person was killed and
00:29:35
um he was like what's what's wrong cuz I guess I looked a little troubled and I said I swear I'm seeing what happened
00:29:43
moments before these people were killed and he was like that's interesting he said what are you doing and I said I
00:29:50
feel like maybe I'm getting in the head of the perpetrator cuz like I know what the motive is here and he said can you
00:29:58
do that with a jury can you headtap jurors and I said I've never did he have any context for you your life or
00:30:05
anything or it was just when you're looking at these pictures he was intuitive himself and he so he believed
00:30:12
even though he's like straight up the best prosecutor I've seen in my life this commands the
00:30:17
courtroom and so I said I could try so he sent me to one of the DA's homes and she had the jury questionnaires so I had
00:30:27
to go through and assem put people on a jury that the defendants uh Council uh wouldn't care if we put them on um
00:30:37
because they get like a certain amount of strikes where they can strike some of your people and we can strike some of
00:30:43
yours so I wanted to put people on the jury for our victim who is raped tortured and murdered she was an ASU law
00:30:51
student that was my first case um I wanted to assemble a jury with women who knew what it was like to be
00:30:59
victimized um women who are raped carry a victim energy so as I'm looking at the
00:31:07
names on the questionnaires I could feel the ones who had been through something
00:31:12
I wanted them on my jury even though they said they were against the death penalty because I was pretty sure we
00:31:17
could flip them as soon as they empathized with our victim and saw the gravity of the the it was animalistic
00:31:27
what he did to the this woman and once they saw the level of Carnage I figured we could flip them and it took 7 days
00:31:34
and when a jury's out for that long you're normally going to get a hung jury or um even a not guilty cuz the one hold
00:31:44
out gives in and um I was taking my kids to TGI Fridays this on this particular day and
00:31:52
I looked at the TV and it was it was him it was the man I worked for and um he was doing a press conference announcing
00:32:00
that we got our guilty verdict on this man and that was my first uh case where they brought me in to do that and he's
00:32:08
like I don't know how you did that um but can you do it again and the woman the female DA's house that he took me
00:32:15
over to she could not stand me in court like she didn't think I should be there she's like I assembled my own jury he
00:32:23
went with yours instead like she was upset and rightly so because I wouldn't have been as accurate he gambled on me
00:32:30
and that's a big gamble I get that it's been so many years I feel like I can talk about this now did she come around
00:32:37
she ended up being one of my best friends get out here so then she you know then she asked me to help her on
00:32:43
one and um I was on NyQuil I had a cold I was so sick this one more day and she goes I need to know if the jury's going
00:32:53
to come back for us and when I'm like oop is that all so um anyways so I told her the day and I told her the time and
00:33:03
so I went back to sleep on my nightquil and my phone rang and she's like okay she's like the jury's back with a
00:33:11
verdict she's like you off by 4 minutes I was like sorry Patty whatever um she's like that was pretty good she's
00:33:20
like I know you're sick but get dressed we're going to go drink some margaritas I was like I really don't feel like
00:33:25
she's like I don't care she like this is too big not to celebrate so that's how I
00:33:31
sort of um progressed through the office of Da and um I loved it I did it six times yeah uh there was one that we
00:33:42
there was a loophole we could not get this man really bothered me cuz the little girl was only like three and she
00:33:49
was killed in his um trailer he was babysitting for parents that were meth addicts and um they found her body in
00:33:58
his trailer but they couldn't prove it was him because there was no DNA on her body so he was she was in his trailer
00:34:05
yes in his trailer and he said I went to the story came back she was dead it still leaves doubt and so they couldn't
00:34:15
they weren't going to be able to get him and it just that just bothered me so much not just that that happened to her
00:34:21
but that where were her parents you know and that there are a lot of parents out
00:34:25
there like that on drugs that just aren't parent ing their kids and protecting them so I initiated the Amber
00:34:31
Alert in the state of Arizona and served on the task force to design it in 200 2001
00:34:40
believe um and it was during my internship I was doing this because I was called by the Texas Rangers which is
00:34:47
the first episode of medium to go out on a case that I had sent them information
00:34:51
on that hadn't been released to the public did you cold reach out to them yeah I just why how did well it was like
00:34:58
the first episode my husband so it's it's really just like the first episode he wrote it down oh I can't wait to call
00:35:03
my mom and tell her and he faed it to the law enforcement sent it off to them and that so they called and said they
00:35:10
want you in Texas the first episode was the most accurate to my life really yeah
00:35:15
that's was my favorite episode my daughter the baby even wore the monkeys around her neck with the little velro
00:35:21
hands she collected those for years so um uh that's how really got started but then so much happened okay so that
00:35:32
happened I'm interning while I'm being studied by scientist then Hollywood reaches out to
00:35:39
the scientist and says send us some of your best mediums and so that's a whole other part of my life and then medium
00:35:48
gets catches Kelsey grammar's eye and he's like I want to make a show based on your life I'm like I'm
00:35:55
32 like I'm not old enough to have have a show based on my life um and they just
00:36:01
thought it was such a fascinating story I couldn't work with the prosecution anymore which was my favorite thing to
00:36:09
do I felt like I was finally doing what I love if you were doing the show people
00:36:14
knew who I was oh I'm in the courtroom so people sitting on the jury either love me and might Fine for us just for
00:36:22
that or they don't believe in it and I just hurt the prosecution so I was recognizable I was everywhere at that
00:36:30
time I was all over the Press cuz we did a huge press Blitz and um I had to say goodbye to the one thing that felt right
00:36:39
yeah so do you wish the TV show never happened um no I I mean I really do think everything happens for a reason
00:36:48
and I believe that Media made it acceptable for people in all walks of life to embrace their gifts and I think
00:36:57
it gave a lot of people an anchor something to ground them to know they weren't alone so medium had to come out
00:37:04
and I was the Brazen one that would do it you know that would lay it on the line so I had a lot of mediums then a
00:37:12
lot of backlash like how' you get a show I'm like I didn't even try I'm sorry I like to hear there like pitching in
00:37:19
Hollywood I never did that and I just Kelsey was co-producing the show that I was out there to do as one of of the
00:37:27
mediums that they were testing and um and I became friends with him and I asked him to write a blur for the cover
00:37:35
of my first book don't kiss them goodbye and the rest was history which led to me
00:37:39
knowing Camille which led to Housewives like my whole life is just seriously oh my gosh so Seven Seasons really wasn't
00:37:47
enough to put um my life on display that's a lot wow yeah so I do miss it but even my friend Patty she she said I
00:37:58
could talk about her now she doesn't care but um she retired from the DA's office and she put the you know Baseline
00:38:04
killer serial killer on on death row she was one of the Das that did that she's a
00:38:10
badass and um so she she retired and I looked at Joe and I said she put in 20 years she gets a pension in retirement I
00:38:21
said I put in 20 years doing this pro bono mhm I said I'm reti ing from that part of doing what I do I said I can't
00:38:31
hold any more images of children that were murdered or uh meet any more parents of murdered children like I I
00:38:41
just I can't and the dates like now dates are connected to people that are victims in my head a date rolls around
00:38:49
it's not just January 2nd it's the day Nicole bigs or um Mel bigs disappeared you know like it's all connected for me
00:38:57
and did you do a lot of like private Consulting work then with like with families with no I only worked with law
00:39:03
enforcement because I was part of law enforcement in prosecution I knew what information they needed evidentiary okay
00:39:11
wise like evidence-wise I knew what helped them and what didn't and I say this to psychics who want a profile they
00:39:17
think it's So Glamorous it's the most thankless thing you'll ever do you hardly ever you get the thank yous in
00:39:23
the beginning and then you never hear from them again after the body's found M you know you don't get to go to the
00:39:29
funeral it's you know it's not not usually like that um but aside from that they don't know what information to give
00:39:36
them they're talking about how the victim felt yes we know the victim was in pain we know bad things happened to
00:39:43
the victim stop talking about it that's not what the family needs to hear so when I'd work a case I was coming at it
00:39:50
from the perspective of law enforcement what can I tell them did they miss a video camera this was a Chicago case I
00:39:57
was brought in on by a friend that was Chicago PD she there was a murder case and it was a man who had killed a old
00:40:04
lady in the Subways or something around there and they couldn't get him and I said you missed a camera I said it was
00:40:12
recorded and they went back and she found the camera and they got the footage and they got the guy so um
00:40:20
sometimes it's as easy as that and sometimes it's harder if it's a stranger child abduction there's no connection to
00:40:28
the victim for me to make it's so much harder than if it's a husband that killed for you know the life insurance
00:40:36
or if it's sexually motivated because a girl stepped out on her boyfriend you know that I can pull so easy is that is
00:40:43
that because it has some kind of like emotional stickiness like I don't know how else to describe it yeah because I
00:40:48
can feel the connection between those the victim in the killer because there was a connection when it's somebody that
00:40:55
grabs you off the street there was no preexisting connection there's no energy between those two people there's only
00:41:02
fear in the victim and then there's law enforcement um trying to come in and figure out out of 8 billion people who
00:41:10
killed this person if they're lucky enough to have a body so um I always tell psychics that can profile and this
00:41:18
is my students included make a best friend who runs kadab dogs tap into the kadab dog running
00:41:26
community partner with them work a case together find the remains that's how you prove
00:41:33
yourself to the police interesting so um because they're like well how do I get in where you were I'm like I'm pretty
00:41:39
sure my story only happened like one time yeah and it was to me yeah you know it was all thing all doors were opened
00:41:47
by the right people at the right time and that's how I know it was divinely laid out so is there a case I mean you
00:41:54
worked so many that that really stays with you um so just last year right after the Kyle
00:42:03
Epiphany um Natalie Holloway was one of the last cases I had provided information on and I always said she was
00:42:11
in the water said she's in the water Vander slot did it this is what happened I mean I went on news programs it was
00:42:18
not a secret um and they finally got his admission last fall I believe sometime around that um so I was able to close
00:42:28
that in my mind because the answers were there there's only one case after that one out of all the cases I've ever
00:42:37
worked that has no conclusion and it was Mel begs and that will always bother me
00:42:42
she was my driving force in starting an Amber Alert in Arizona serving on the task force to design it I actually asked
00:42:51
her mother to come with me to knock on doors to get the Amber Alert passed into Arizona um so that it was a law it was a
00:43:00
function that we had available to us because the majority of stranger abductions I believe the FBI statistic
00:43:07
is they're killed the low statistics within seven hours but it's usually really within like three um so as soon
00:43:15
as they're removed to a remote area they're dead unless they're one of the Miracles that survives the strangulation
00:43:22
or whatever the mode of of murder was and um the Amber alert they were they in uh Dallas Fort Worth area they were
00:43:31
using it there so when I went to Texas for the my first case which was the opal Jennings case she was a little
00:43:38
girl um when I went out there the cop that I was riding in the car with was telling me about the amber alert and
00:43:44
that it was created for Amber Hagerman who was raped and murdered in the Fort Worth area and so that's why I brought
00:43:51
it back to Arizona cuz they only had it in the Fort Worth um Dallas Fort Worth area and in San Diego those were the
00:43:57
only two places in the entire country that had it so this was a long time ago mind you and so I wanted it in Arizona
00:44:05
and with uh Tracy Big's help Mel's mother uh we knocked on enough doors that JD Hayworth was the only politician
00:44:13
that actually called us back and listened to us and helped us implement it clear channel is worried about being
00:44:19
sued because they're like what if it's a prank I'm like what if it's not yeah what if it's a real child abducted it's
00:44:26
not worth it if we have to deal with pranks so be it yeah and then they were worried about well what if they don't
00:44:32
meet the age requirement what if it's an old person I'm like can we cross that bridge after we get like the bones of
00:44:38
this put down um I knew Molly Bish's story cuz I had met her parents through Tracy bigs and she was a lifeguard that
00:44:45
was abducted from her post and so I got them to raise the age to 17 in Arizona because at the time it was 15 cuz they
00:44:56
thought a lot were runaways yeah and like a lot of them aren't MH um and so they did raise it to 17 so I did that
00:45:04
that made me proud amazing yeah so um and at the same time I had a child abduction prevention video that I
00:45:11
produced I heard about this wait so you did this as part of your program in school right I just as my senior
00:45:18
elective project okay I was in homicide at the time I hired a production crew and um I wrote the script it's so hard
00:45:26
to watch that now I look so unnatural I was so bad but I was in my suit and trying to look all grown up the
00:45:35
still yeah the atache but I was like 28 trying to look 48 and um I looked 25 actually but do the tips still hold true
00:45:44
today um except for the technology advancement so one of them was and I wish they just taught this regularly
00:45:52
because it's such a helpful tip and I'll share it with your your listeners um what and we do what to do what not to do
00:46:00
um reenactments okay so all my friends kids were in this and all my nieces and nephews and so if your kids riding a
00:46:08
bike you have to teach them first not to approach the car but now that they've approached the car what do they do to
00:46:14
defend themselves so that's what the video is for okay we teach them what not to do but if they do it how do they get
00:46:20
out of it cuz nobody was teaching that um they're supposed to wrap their arms and legs around around the frame of the
00:46:28
bike because when they try and pull you through the window they can't get them through and
00:46:33
they have to drop you and get out and go around it gives you time to get away to
00:46:38
scream to make noise they're not able to just pull you off your bike into the car
00:46:42
which is that happens um so I had all of these I even used from Mel bigs um they
00:46:50
had said she went out to get ice cream mhm and they found the two quarters laying on the sidewalk you know M and so
00:46:58
I got a tape with ice cream Tru music on it and I had a scene where a scary looking dude who is actually just part
00:47:05
of production nice guy um put it in his little tape deck and he's driving down the road playing the ice cream music in
00:47:13
a residential neighborhood and kids are just running out of the houses that's terrifying that that would be an easy
00:47:19
Ploy wouldn't it so I was trying to get parents to think yeah and Spark these conversations yeah and always lived as
00:47:27
though I lived next to a pedophile because you don't know so so with my three daughters if they wanted to sleep
00:47:34
over I'm like for sure here at my house yeah you can invite as many of your friends as you want we've got a
00:47:42
trampoline we got a pool it'll be fun here here because you never know when there's a creepy cousin or a teenage
00:47:51
brother's best friend over right because when serial killers get started a lot of
00:47:56
them start stretching their legs and their teens and they usually will use somebody um younger or easier to subdue
00:48:05
to to control and that can be little sister yeah so um yeah I was always very aware wild MH are there any other like
00:48:16
must no tips from the video H sorry it's been so long um my youngest was in a a baby carrier in it and she's like 25 do
00:48:27
they have the same gift you do they all have the same gift not to the intensity that I do they're still young but I
00:48:35
don't think they got hit like I got it from both sides of my family oh okay they grew up knowing what being roofied
00:48:42
was and yeah um I I just raised them to know these things and to stay with their
00:48:47
friends and keep an eye on their friends and get security at the bar if your friends slurring or being dragged
00:48:53
anywhere or being walked out by some guy you don't know stop them you know don't
00:48:58
worry about offending somebody beud stay alive that's what we say right I always
00:49:03
say I always said that to my kids I'm like you can scream you can claw do whatever you need I will be okay with it
00:49:11
I have your back so it's not your job to make anyone feel comfortable or like you
00:49:14
like them or whatever being polite has made probably for the majority of child victims because they don't want to um
00:49:21
hurt somebody's feelings and um so the Mel bigs case that really bothered me it was like a 30second window that it was
00:49:30
narrowed down to like her sister came right back the little sister Kimber went home told her mom she's like don't leave
00:49:36
your sister alone go back she goes back gone and she's gone it was that fast and
00:49:42
they were just a few houses down this that residential street and were you ever able to to feel see anything I
00:49:49
wasn't working cases when I heard about that case mind you I'm tainted I saw too
00:49:55
much I will only work cases where I don't know anything oh interesting I have to go in blank otherwise I don't
00:50:02
know what I saw in a television special and what I'm picking up on and so I try and teach my students that I'm like if
00:50:10
you know anything about the person you're reading you're not the right medium for them because you're going to
00:50:18
weave in things that you already know and you don't know how much of that you're going to contaminate it you can't
00:50:24
give a clean reading so because uh I knew who Mel was cuz it was all over the news in Arizona um I couldn't I
00:50:34
could never work it so I had to go to another U medium which is how I found the mentor that I had and went to one of
00:50:41
her psychic circles to see if any of those psychics could tell me anything and this is all while I'm in homicide
00:50:47
and I wasn't there that long CU I was just an intern so um yeah that's sort of that's how it unfolded but you're you
00:50:55
said you've like you've reti fired from All Things um so hard cuz I did it for so long I know so much about it and what
00:51:03
they need and and how to extract the information and how to sit with somebody that I think is a suspect and get them
00:51:11
to screw up yeah um it was hard to walk away but we found human remains on a pilot I shot that didn't get picked up
00:51:21
I'm like Cav dogs hit on the spot like you guys the police wouldn't dig I was running into roadblocks um on cases that
00:51:30
I was working where even the one I worked for on Oprah was a Jackie Hartman case she was a 19-year-old that
00:51:36
disappeared out of Gilbert and um I I she gave me this to look at and I wrote down I said this is sexually motivated
00:51:46
it's a date rape gone wrong um uh she's NE she's near a Habachi like a barbecue out in sort of a deserty area and she
00:51:57
was like rolled down the hill um out of the car and he didn't know he was going to kill her when he took her and um it
00:52:07
was because she had fought back in this case and they were like her body hasn't been found yet when will she be found
00:52:13
and I said two weeks and 13 and 1 12 days later they found her remains and cuz I seem to be pretty good at being
00:52:21
able to get a time frame on finding remains and sometimes that was the only um solace I could give uh parents but I
00:52:29
just I needed to live a life yeah I needed to think of something other than than murder but I do still brush up on
00:52:36
forensics to see what's new out there yeah do you like do you do uh do you teach others do you like I mean how do
00:52:44
you pass along all the stuff that you've learned over the years I seriously I wish it law enforcement can work more
00:52:51
hand inand but at what I was saying with the Jackie Hartman case is um gilber PD
00:52:57
was talking to my guy that I was interning with at the time and he's like they said you were exactly right on like
00:53:04
everything you said and um and then the chief above them came down and put the kabash on it because they were wanting
00:53:12
to reach out to me and so I'll get police that I have a good relationship with but the higher ups that don't want
00:53:20
it being publicized that they've worked with the psychic and I had this happen with the Texas Rangers too
00:53:27
we'll try and put the kabash on it um unfortunately with the Rangers the show I was on Paul aon's a bit of an
00:53:34
investigative reporter and she found the people that were like oh yeah she totally worked with them she's like why
00:53:40
do you think they're liars and I'm on the air I'm like I want to go to Texas again eventually I I said uh so you like
00:53:48
come in and you do the work and everything's like great and then everyone just wants to pretend like you
00:53:51
weren't there didn't do it and then cuz I was too high-profile like they didn't want that connection which is is it
00:53:58
still that way even years later I mean I don't work murders anymore I just you ever want to um you know I'd have to
00:54:07
have things my way the resources would have it have to be done in my vision because I know what works yeah um I also
00:54:14
know there's a timing to things and sometimes living people's lives need to be affected by them finding the remains
00:54:21
how it sends them down a path of um Discovery in their own lives so so I'm not on the other side I don't call the
00:54:30
shots I have to trust that there's a timing to finding remains and how it affects the living um and am I meddling
00:54:40
with that so um being able to tell parents when they can find a body if they're going to find the body was
00:54:47
helpful just so they know that they could bury him but even in that case the dad was highly religious and he wasn't
00:54:53
happy that his family went on the show and and let me profile that case so does it like Eat You Alive like I feel like
00:54:59
if I had a gift I would want to know the answers to everything you get really tired yeah work like seeing so much all
00:55:07
the time to know what it feels like to be in a pedophile's mind to know what it feels like to be in Ted Bundy's head you
00:55:15
know or dmer no after a while and my friend Adrien Curry she won America's Next Top Model the first season she was
00:55:23
like the really loud one I thought she was very entertaining but she always said if I had what you have I'd do it
00:55:28
constantly which is easy to say when you're not doing it when you're doing it it you're literally dying a little each
00:55:35
time you give yourself away to someone else so they can feel better so even when I do readings for my clients I give
00:55:42
it everything I've got I'm exhausted afterwards because I just died like I got shot or I had lung cancer like cuz I
00:55:51
feel the essence of what they went through and uh and it takes me a while to to clear
00:55:59
myself again yeah and I I couldn't do it all the time especially with the murder
00:56:04
and the rape details that you have to become privy to but it's more getting in the criminal's head it makes me sick who
00:56:12
is the scariest person like what that you got into their head um I mean God there's been so many I I think the one
00:56:20
that scared me the most and it was because he was sitting 5T away from me was the first case I wor
00:56:27
so remember I told you how I did jury selection I'm in the courtroom and the law student she was killed with a
00:56:33
baseball bat he was a minor league ball player um that overstay his Minor League
00:56:39
Baseball like he was here for baseball he had a Visa he was here illegally okay so we overstated it and um uh he was he
00:56:48
saw her she was right across the hall from him and he and he really wanted her um and so he took her on the day they
00:56:55
were being evicted anyways he killed her in a very gruesome way I'm sitting in the courtroom 5T from
00:57:01
him and he starts licking his lips and blowing me kisses and I could feel his energy and her fear and I'm just sitting
00:57:09
in this moment I wanted him bad I wanted to put him on death row I wanted him gone I didn't want him getting out on a
00:57:16
loophole um and killing somebody else so I see putting somebody away forever as protecting people yeah so
00:57:26
when he was doing that it was really uh creeping me out and he was so close and he knew who like he he could recognize
00:57:32
me yeah um his family was he had some family that showed up and uh um it took me a while to shake that but the beauty
00:57:42
of that was they were losing a juror and I looked at uh my friend and I said you're losing juror number whatever
00:57:50
number it was I said she's thinking he might not uh be as violent is you're saying like she's one of those Neverland
00:57:58
people I'll just call him that yeah and um I said you have to you have to show them what he's made of and she was like
00:58:06
how am I going to do that and I said you're 5' 10 he's 5' five 56 at best I said you he hates women you need to get
00:58:17
in his face and so she goes over to him she was so great she goes if you've never seen the face of evil you're
00:58:25
looking at it now and she's standing over him and putting his finger in his face and he's in shackles like ankle
00:58:31
Andrus and he jumps up in his shackles and tries to like go after her what a moment got the jury right there it's
00:58:42
like dude you did that one to yourself cuz we I could feel we were losing one of our jurs wow and he would be out
00:58:49
there so very gratifying so what's life now if you're if you if you're if you've
00:58:56
stepped away from solving crimes what does life look like now this other phase your your retirement I took a vacation
00:59:04
for the first time in 20 years without working really where'd you go uh we went our 30th Anniversary we went to the
00:59:11
Bahamas oh wow which was really nice and then we went to Paris with our daughter
00:59:15
Sophia oh nice and we took her there and that was I didn't know what it felt like
00:59:19
to get on a plane and not go to work it actually scars you a little bit you know
00:59:25
and um so takes me a few days to even relax um but I definitely couldn't do vacation more than like five or six days
00:59:31
I always have too much going on you come up with new ideas you're like I need to do this it's like it's
00:59:38
rejuvenating you got to hit the right Point like between feeling like revived and then being like if I don't actually
00:59:44
like do something with all the things like I'm going to go crazy yeah and in Paris you drink a lot of wine I was like
00:59:49
I'm sort of sick of wine now I want I want a Vaga drink or something something different but we had a great time it was
00:59:54
Springtime in Paris very beautiful so um I came back all rested two years ago I had an idea that I wanted to create and
01:00:04
I know that I'm known on the housewives with my ginormous martini glass um is that what was next to you it was a
01:00:11
martini glass I thought it was like a I thought it was a margarita okay first of
01:00:15
all they furnished those I didn't show up with a backpack with a martini glass in it for my own special trough of
01:00:23
martinis uh they tried to make my lavender lemon drop that I always drank at Polo Lounge I never suck Kyle at the
01:00:29
Polo Lounge for the record I used to be there all the time with my friends but they make the best lavender lemon drop
01:00:35
if you're in La go to the Polo Lounge ask for it phenomenal okay um and so they were trying to replicate it it
01:00:42
turned out to be more of a jungle in a glass I don't know what the hell they put in it but so I'm I'm I'm drinking
01:00:49
that and I I look at the picture and I'm memes like people love sharing the memes
01:00:54
of me he will never emotionally f you know that like all of that and so I thought I have this University where I'm
01:01:02
teaching mediums how to be better and and for them to practice with each other and all that but I also have a professor
01:01:10
of Earth Magic Margaret Jameson um she's granny Magic Online okay she's great and she was an
01:01:18
Appalachian granny descendant so anybody that knows anything about the Appalachia
01:01:23
not me knows it was like the mountain women that came over from Europe when they were sort of more settling America
01:01:30
still um and they were in like the mountains of Virginia and West Virginia I believe don't quote me I'm really bad
01:01:37
at geography but they were the women that birthed the babies and grew herbs and made medicines out of them and saves
01:01:44
and would say sort of incantations right sign me up I know nothing about this when I'm in right so
01:01:53
I Margaret sends me um the oil that she makes which was um there's like a love and there's a success um ingredients and
01:02:02
I was like God I wish this was in vodka so I thought I should make vodka potions and so I uh started getting all
01:02:15
my liquor licenses a year ago I be you know got my distributor license as well and uh one handsome bastards my
01:02:23
distillery in Scottdale lady own and they're making the vodka and I spent a couple years studying the properties
01:02:32
that would go into each of those formulas that would be the most effective like I was going on my feeling
01:02:39
of which one would like bring more love or more draw more money or success to you so the QR code on the bottle is
01:02:47
going to take people to a website that has videos of me showing how to set a proper intention because people tend to
01:02:53
do it wrong they say I wish or I hope that never works it has to be I will and you have to mean it so I put the
01:03:02
ingredients in there to enhance people's desires of what they want in their life
01:03:06
so they could start taking control of their own life and drawing these things to them so I have my love my money
01:03:12
potions what I brought you today oh I'll take it yes you got the first bottle actually that's a sample yeah I'm so
01:03:20
excited and then um I'm doing the um Love Potion is being distilled now and then I'm going to create a um
01:03:30
Resurrection potion it thins the veil so you can communicate with the other side
01:03:35
when you go to sleep that's the one I want so I'm really excited about this and I tested the oils on my daughters
01:03:42
which are a different formula than what I actually came up with I did it differently because I wanted it to taste
01:03:47
good and um my daughter went on a ski appri like up an 80s style with all of her girlfriends I'm like great I'm like
01:03:56
Take This Love Potion tincture with you put it in each of their vodka drinks set
01:04:00
intentions with them because when there's a group of women it's really a coven so you're collectively setting
01:04:06
your energy intentions so when you're saying I will um I will draw a million dollars as your I will draw $5 million
01:04:16
or I I will find that success your friends are saying Ashley will Ashley will or she will and you just say it
01:04:24
three times okay so it's sort of like a prayer for the people that get a little funny about it it's more like a prayer
01:04:30
and it's what we do to cleanse ourselves as mediums when we're done in the shower
01:04:34
down the drain away from me down the drain away from me down the drain away from me and you visualize the illness or
01:04:42
the sadness going down the drain until through a pipe till you can't see it any longer it's off in the distance it's
01:04:48
away from you and you feel 20 lbs lighter it's amazing your listeners should try it I think they're so there
01:04:55
such power in words yes and intention like what you're saying and and to your point about religion and however people
01:05:02
find it because I grew up very religious sure not quite anymore yeah um but I I think that's what it prayer is is like
01:05:09
is when you get enough people together who are it's a collective energy yes Collective energy I completely believe
01:05:15
that yes and so I thought it would be fun for women at bachelorette parties yes to do together and maybe even brides
01:05:22
and grooms to have a little sip of it after they say their vows after words to set their love intention with one
01:05:28
another for life you know and just sort of just the two of them like have a moment and so I think I think people are
01:05:36
going to love it I'm pretty excited about it but my daughter went on the ski appra and um they all tried it and two
01:05:43
of the girls the next day their crushes texted them and said they did and they said would you like to go on a date so
01:05:51
now um her friend are like ordering it by the box right well they're going to be doing a photo shoot this weekend so
01:05:58
they were all like we'll do it for Mama duah for sure mama duah she wasn't a sority I got a lot of girl now um but
01:06:06
one of the girls is still dating the guy and he's her boyfriend like they're serious so I'm really excited and happy
01:06:13
someone said her intentions right I love that oh my God I'm so excited I'm excited too so I might make a Protection
01:06:23
One let's oh wait Diana's talking from outside let's bring it in I want to do this the vka has made in Scottdale okay
01:06:30
so this is I love it it's a little home for me I know I love it so this is American made Arizona conjured love wait
01:06:39
so what do I have to do I have to do an intention right so think about since this is the money potion think about
01:06:45
what you want to draw in it doesn't have to be money it could be any form of success in your life so what would your
01:06:52
success look like now if you were to draw it to do you my success would be being able to do what
01:07:01
I'm doing but have more time for my family finding a balance balance yeah that's
01:07:09
true success cuz right now I'm I'm in a grind yeah and I'm I'm killing myself to
01:07:13
do it and I'm doing it well and it's working right but I can't like this isn't and and I've been there so I I
01:07:21
empathize sympathize with you that's a hard one choosing yeah and so I think I want I don't I want to I I want to have
01:07:28
it all yeah and you can yes you actually are yes having it all so you want to get
01:07:35
to a place in your career where you can maybe consolidate things down maybe not spread out as many days so that you can
01:07:42
spend more days in a row with your family um so the success would have to do with prioritizing your family so I
01:07:51
will prioritize my family over work but then you'd be afraid you're going to hurt your work like would your work go
01:07:57
down then because the universe is giving you what you want for your family you have to be very careful when you set an
01:08:04
intention so let's stay with I will find a a balance between um my success and and my family or between my podcast and
01:08:17
my family however you want to word it yeah a balance between my my work my family and myself because I because I
01:08:24
think I'm good at actually giving my family time it's just I'm nowh I find balance so we'll do this and then you
01:08:31
take a take a sip hold it in your mouth swallow it and then say I will and name that three times okay ready
01:08:44
cheers I will find balance I will find balance I will find balance this is actually really good
01:08:54
yeah right it is right I can't I I don't drink alcohol straight this is I've never had a vodka that I could sip I've
01:09:00
never either when you told me we were going to when they said we're not mixing with anything I was like a oh I don't
01:09:04
just drink shots of vodka but you can taste the actual like berries Rosary or like oh I don't know what's in it but oh
01:09:13
it's good there um there's some bay leaf in it oh it's good and um each of the things that are grown in gardens
01:09:21
represent something that it will help you draw into your life and so I put in the ingredients and they're all organic
01:09:28
because I'm funny that way too um but actual like blackberry and bay leaf and other
01:09:39
ingredients freaking good oh I like it too oh I know I like it what's your current
01:09:49
intention so for me um it's so funny breaking D Vodka it's sort of not not typical right and M's a vodka potion
01:10:03
who does that I do of course um my intention would be more for the Vodka okay that this uh will grow divination
01:10:13
22 will become sort of a household name people will find their power people will
01:10:20
find and draw to them um success and love in life like I want all of these things for other people cuz I've married
01:10:29
30 years to love of my life and like my youngest points out she's like sorry Mom
01:10:33
we don't all trip over them when we're 20 in a bar and I was like oh me too I feel bad for you just kidding I'm just
01:10:39
kidding just kidding but I want that for people but I also want people to have that money success and what they need to
01:10:46
remember is you can't say I want to win the lottery I've had people said they're
01:10:51
like I want to win it's like no yeah what are you going to take what Vision do you have that you're going to create
01:10:58
and and make into a something in the physical world that you're going to put energy into um that the Universe can
01:11:06
help you make successful what is your vision so that's what this is for not for the lottery you don't get a
01:11:13
scratcher and do a shot what's the name mean so divination um to Divine you're divining something out of energy okay so
01:11:24
divine was already so common when you Google it there are already too many businesses just being honest I was like
01:11:31
divination I'm like classier anyways divination totally and then my Dad's passing affected me and it was part of
01:11:38
my journey because I predicted his death I knew he was going to die at 67 of a massive heart attack um what is that
01:11:44
like to know something like that horrifying did you tell him or do you keep that to yourself I sent him to all
01:11:49
the heart specialists I think he knew when I did that I'm like Dad you need to go get your heart checked and he was a
01:11:57
professional Ballroom dancer for 50 years so everyone's like your dad's in great shape he's so healthy and I was
01:12:02
like I heard that voice and it said he's going to die at 67 of a massive heart attack and this was two years before so
01:12:11
mad but it um they checked his heart they said he looked great I had to get the medical examiner report after his
01:12:18
passing after the autopsy I had to see it it said clear signs of heart disease so I knew that his passing was s Stone
01:12:25
and it was part of my path I needed to know what it felt like for my clients to lose somebody so close to you that you'd
01:12:32
feel that pain yeah and so I got it and I know my dad would be happy because it helped a lot of other kids out there
01:12:39
because I wrote chapters on how to deal with that kind of grief but um it's so funny my dad always sort of wanted a
01:12:46
little bit of Fame and he sure as [ __ ] got famous in my books are you able to still see him communicate um he helps me
01:12:53
do readings I I actually Incorporated him into my daily life I'll say Dad can you um turn up their volume and focus
01:12:59
their energy with the dad that he's there with um and if my living has low energy I'm like can you do that for them
01:13:06
and he adjusts their energy for the reading can you can you ever change something that you see so if you have a
01:13:13
vision like that can can it be changed I here's what I learned with that it was such a hard lesson to learn um I always
01:13:19
thought I had control because I would tell someone to fasten their seat belt like a client when they got in their
01:13:25
their car and they roll their car on the freeway you know I wouldn't see them rolling their car but it was a feeling
01:13:30
of them needing to put the seat Bel on and they're like you or I'll say get your chest scanned and they find the
01:13:37
beginning stages of breast cancer and they would remove it so I was seeing all these people that I was I thought saving
01:13:44
yeah when I was really just being used as an instrument I'm one of many instruments in the world they could have
01:13:49
whispered in the husband's ear that said to the wife you should get a mamogram or
01:13:53
something like go get checked out like they work through us the other side Works through us to save those that
01:13:58
don't have to go my dad's was set in stone and what that means is there was nothing I could do to save him so um
01:14:09
sometimes the death has to happen to cause a ripple effect of good for many they're almost sacrificial lambs and I
01:14:17
hate that but they seem to be because no mother would willingly give up her child
01:14:22
Amber hegerman that died but for that little girl how many countless other children would have been been saved and
01:14:29
seniors now cuz they have the silver alert you know so each one of us can make a difference and I say to people
01:14:36
don't live a life that had no real meaning leave this world in a better place than you found it leave it with
01:14:44
something change people help people um inspire people you know help them to live better do something don't go
01:14:53
through life as a a filler you know so yeah not everybody's here for greatness but that doesn't mean they can't be
01:15:03
great in their life I completely agree I always tell people like I always I always wanted I wanted a big life but
01:15:10
I'm like that doesn't mean that I don't think like my mom like I like mean my mom my mom had a small life but it was
01:15:16
the most beautiful and she like was is so happy and she got everything she wanted and she would have been miserable
01:15:21
with the big life right and but but you you can I think you can be important with a small life or a big life
01:15:28
absolutely there are some mothers and fathers out there that I bring through that were everything to their kids and
01:15:34
they were the best parents so when I say like live this life of um abundant love
01:15:41
yeah um it doesn't matter if somebody believes in a religion on the other side I bring through atheists all the time
01:15:47
but the thing that they all have in common is that they loved they connected emotionally with people they had big
01:15:54
hearts they were characters they were the funny one they were the relative that you look forward to seeing cuz
01:16:00
Uncle Don's going to put that funny paper hat on and do the dance that makes everyone laugh you know I mean the
01:16:06
characters that energy vibration is so high of frequency the dead can connect with them so much easier because they're
01:16:14
the same the similar frequency low frequency people people who don't love people who don't try people who aren't
01:16:21
there for friends um people who are selfish I'm interested to see in the next 10
01:16:27
years what the hell's going to happen to the tech generation oh my God you were just saying this on the podcast episode
01:16:32
I listened to yes because you were saying that they there isn't that kind of connection that they had in former
01:16:37
generations and you're like I don't know I've never seen this before and I've always had my finger on the pulse of
01:16:43
what's going on in the country or the world you know when Guitar Hero was big I started bringing through young guys
01:16:48
that we're like playing guitar here you guitar I know they're having fun and I watched young people go from dying in
01:16:56
car accidents to fentanyl fentanyl every week I'm bringing through someone that died a fentanyl they need to do
01:17:01
something about that you'll take your memories with you yeah of your children falling in love with your husband you'll
01:17:08
go back to the age that you fell in love uh you'll go back to when your kids were
01:17:12
little um you'll be on the other side replaying those moments as though they happened for the very first time for
01:17:21
you so I think what people don't realize there is we're helping our loved ones create their versions of heaven right
01:17:29
here right it's so funny you said that cuz a couple weeks ago I had this moment where I was sitting in my front lawn
01:17:34
with my daughter and my dog and I was like oh man I think this is like the happiest I might ever
01:17:40
be that'll be there for you on the other side and you'll relive it happen it's okay no I know how I know
01:17:49
how you feel like it's so beautiful to know you have that like you're going to have all of that on the other side and
01:17:56
you're still creating those moments you know you're so lucky I blame the vodka I want you to remember how lucky
01:18:04
you are every day every day well to to living a full life to not being a filler being Full Throttle to not being a
01:18:14
thrott filler I'll drink to that and fillers can stop being fillers right now they can engage in life you
01:18:24
were talking about a balance yeah the selfie girl that's what she needed but she probably won't find it you know they
01:18:32
and um I'm so happy for you I love it when I meet someone that's in love and they have beautiful healthy kids um we
01:18:39
are the luckiest people on the planet and I never ever take that for granted but I yell at my husband sometimes and
01:18:46
I'll get in those moments you know we're not perfect um and those are moments that I'll bring people through and I'll
01:18:53
say your mom says she misses bantering back and forth with with your dad because they'd fight and then they'd
01:19:00
kiss and it was like their thing you know I love that spicy I love that oh sometimes I see things where I'm like no
01:19:07
thanks too much scandalous I had a woman I brought through and she was a former cop and I
01:19:13
was bringing her through for her cop boyfriend and he loved her like they had a very rich life I'm sure together and
01:19:22
um she was describing the lingerie that was his favorite and and showing it to me and I was just like no thank you
01:19:29
ma'am I was like feeling what she was feeling I'm like no oh no did not ask did not ask I was like I don't really
01:19:37
want to be in this moment with the two of you it feels kind of private all right so where can people find you find
01:19:45
everything you're doing find the Vodka like give me all the things Allison du.com or they can email me at booking
01:19:52
Allison du.com do readings for anyone um they get vetted okay okay okay cuz we got to weed
01:19:59
some of them out you know but um yes I do them every week does everyone cry like me even though you didn't even do a
01:20:05
reading often well I make people feel I evoke the feeling of what they know to be true and their soul and I love that
01:20:12
know that's beautiful Heaven's within you you can feel it um and then I have dead university.com if they want to sign
01:20:19
up for classes is that and is that for anyone or someone who like knows they have a gift you know here's the thing
01:20:25
most people don't know I'll put it this way if you know who's calling before you
01:20:31
answer the phone and you're right probably have the gift oh um is this pre iPhone when I like have call ID though
01:20:39
yeah well or no no no or if the doorbell rings and you just know who's there or you feel that your mom's in trouble you
01:20:46
feel like something's wrong and it turns out you're right or you try and get them
01:20:49
to the doctor and they find a problem you have abilities so a lot of people don't understand it CU we only know our
01:20:55
own perspective that's all we know um so if you have any of that I've got a mediumship class I have Earth Magic for
01:21:02
potion making and spells for people who practice Earth Magic they're sort of the
01:21:06
garden witches if you will can can anyone be one of those sign me the [ __ ] I know I know Margaret my husband is
01:21:13
going to be so excited can men be can men be I have men no it's great and she shows you like she grows her own sage
01:21:21
and sweet grass and everything that she infuses in her you're going to love her so granny magic
01:21:27
is what she's on in this is how I balance by way magic that's good no that's really
01:21:34
good and um and so then I'm going to have uh divination 22 vodka big thirst is who I'm talking to to try and get it
01:21:43
um online so that people can order over you know in other states cuz I'm just releasing it in Arizona first I'm a
01:21:51
HomeTown girl Arizona is where I got my li they chose a weird one I'll take it it's a fork whatever
01:22:01
it's all good um so they're going to be able to find it in Arizona um check out my website okay al.com alison.com for
01:22:12
updates do you do social um my daughter set up the Instagram from divination 22 vodka and it'll have its it has its own
01:22:20
website but it's not public yet you're the first person get out outside of my family to ever try divination 22 so I
01:22:29
brought this all the way from Scottdale Arizona y'all for you to try and so um I'm actually going to leave it with you
01:22:36
so that you can practice um with your husand oh dude he's going to love he loves this that'll be fun I'm going to
01:22:44
read the thing that I'm supposed to read at the end of every episode that I should have beened by now but I
01:22:48
absolutely do not oh and the dead life go listen to my podcast the dead life sorry too many irons in the fire it's on
01:22:56
Apple Spotify you can find it anywhere there's a lot of like numerology stuff like we didn't even like scratch the
01:23:02
surface today so if you guys found this conversation interesting thank you there
01:23:06
is so much more there literally everyone in our office has gotten real into it I
01:23:10
have death douas I have hospice nurses that are there at the moment the spirit leaves the body I like to have different
01:23:16
people from different walks of life perspective on death and the afterlife to try and make it less scary for people
01:23:23
so that we don't fear death and terrified now and we live 100% I I'm going to hit the back catalog cuz like
01:23:29
it's one of the things that I just recently started getting real scared about because you have children you have
01:23:33
something to lose and you'd be afraid that they won't remember you like if they're too young you worry they're not
01:23:38
going to remember you then they get older and you're like will I be at their wedding this is a process it's part of
01:23:43
motherhood so any women out there that are worried about those things it's not because you're about to die it's about
01:23:49
being a mother and you fear the things that you see other children go without yeah and you don't want that it's so
01:23:55
funny cuz my husband he's always like and I know we're like overtime so sorry guys but um my husband he's always like
01:24:01
I just like when I die no one will like I won't have made an impact or no one will remember me and I'm like I don't
01:24:06
care if I [ __ ] Str like I love you guys who listen but like I don't [ __ ] care if strangers know me but I'm like
01:24:10
that doesn't bother me at all like I don't think about the same thing he does you can't really care what people who
01:24:15
wouldn't be at your funeral think of you that's how I look at life if I don't love you enough that and you don't love
01:24:21
me enough that you'd be at my funeral you don't give a rat's ass what those people think that's how I live life even
01:24:27
famous people have a lot of people at their funeral in my mind I'm like there's a there's a few people who like
01:24:30
I I care about what they think of me like day to day and if I respect them enough to be like oh if their view of me
01:24:36
changed like it would rock me so with your followers it can be sometimes a little different or like cousins or
01:24:43
somebody more on the periphery you want to engage with your listeners and it's important and we value and respect them
01:24:51
but when you get that and they know what I'm talking about like an online troll or something that's like telling you um
01:24:59
this I've gots so do I Ashley maybe they should get together and go to happy hour right
01:25:05
so um I don't care what those people think Kyle's not part of my heaven I could give a [ __ ] about Housewives
01:25:13
honestly I don't care I do tell people I was like I and I there's a difference I
01:25:17
am so grateful for the people who show up every week and who listen mostly because of what we're trying to do it's
01:25:23
the mission behind and I need them to make a difference in the case they can show up but I'm like they Vibe with your
01:25:29
energy though they Vibe with your thoughts and and it's telling you that there's something that they want to
01:25:34
learn that you have to offer that's a beautiful thing and but I think that like what I care about is they care
01:25:39
about what I'm talking about not me and I I always felt like if I give too much they love you for your mind love you for
01:25:45
your big mind I always felt like if I gave them too much power the people who love me
01:25:52
you can't give them power without giving to the people who hate you you can't like you you know what I mean like you
01:25:57
can't just not read the bad comments cuz when you see one it's going mean everything see I'm further down the line
01:26:02
I was when Instagram and all that came out for the first time in Twitter and Housewives dinner party from Hell hit I
01:26:10
was probably the first person to ever feel backlash on Twitter no way oh yeah from that dinner party I just was like I
01:26:18
walked away I actually my husband looks at my Twitter I don't even look at Twitter my husband i l had to get him
01:26:25
off Reddit like he was like he went into like almost damn near suicidal depression stop tell him to stop reading
01:26:30
things your daughters too because my daughters as they were growing up wanted to read things and they felt like they
01:26:36
had to defend me I'm like babies no I don't care you never have to defend me these are strangers these people don't
01:26:41
care about us they don't actually they're not part of our lives I'm like do not spend the energy on those people
01:26:47
er's always like what if it takes down the whole thing then I'm like then I find another job and I like no being
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yourself is so important being authentic you and I don't mean like people on Instagram they're like oh my God be
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yourself and then you go on housewives and you're yourself and all of a sudden they have something to say am I right
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those are the worst people coexist it's like you guys are like not the best people can we start like a like like a
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what's the opposite of the housewives show I just want to start a reality show where you and I just like go and talk
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[ __ ] and drink vodka okay that would be amazing that would be amazing like no edit no edit people would love it but
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man you would just have to hear everybody in the world's thought even you wouldn't though just don't read the
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comments you would think there would be some things in life we all agree on like
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pedophiles are bad we can't even get an amen to that no like what is that about so you have to know what you stand for
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people who believe in nothing fall for anything so even if it's a belief in spirituality there is another side
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there's life after death this isn't my freaking favorite episode so far I I meant to read the credits 10 minutes ago
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