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Hi Crime Junkies. And I know you're probably not used to seeing my face. I always get told it's a little trippy for
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people the first time they see the disembodied voice that they know so well actually come out of a real life human.
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And that's because I don't always make video podcasts, but when I do, you know it's going to be good. Like today. Now,
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millions of you already listen to my weekly true crime podcast Crime Junkie, which is part of my company Audiochuck
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with a network of a dozen other shows. We are your one-stop shop for the most trusted, responsible, compelling,
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mission-driven true crime content. And one of those podcasts is my other weekly show, The Deck. The Deck is super
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special to me. It was inspired by my time serving on the board of my local Crime Stoppers. I came across this deck
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of playing cards with cold cases on them. And I found out that this was actually an initiative that law
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enforcement agencies across the country were utilizing to try and breathe new life into cold cases. They would pass
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these out in prisons and hope that they would get in the hands of the right people who might have information. So,
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I took that concept and kind of ran with it. Every week we now tell you the stories behind the cards, hoping that
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information reaches the right ears now. And you know, now maybe the right eyes. Now, the reason I'm doing this episode
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now as a video is because I mean, there's something about this week's card that I couldn't let go of. I
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mean, I needed to know that I did everything in my power to make sure as many people as possible heard this story
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because in the six and a half years that I've been telling victim stories and the
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lifetime that I've been consuming them, few stories have haunted me the way that
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this one has. It's one of those cases that have been living in my head like on repeat. One where the killer was so
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bold, so confident that police would never catch him that he taunted them. And for nearly 30 years he's been able
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to get away with it. But I think that's coming to an end. Because even though it seems like he
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tried to do everything he could to erase himself from the crime scene and the victim's life,
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it looks like he didn't cover all of his tracks. And he may have left something behind
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that could finally give him away. Our card this week is Dana Chisholm, the Jack of Diamonds from Washington, D.C.
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I'm Ashley Flowers and this is The Deck. On Monday, February 27th, 1995, over 400
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miles away from D.C. in Rock Hill, South Carolina, the landline at the Chisholm residence rang out in the middle of the
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night. It woke up Johnny and Joe Gary from a deep sleep. And in his half-awake state, Johnny clocked the time, close to
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1:30 a.m. And for where they lived in the South, everyone knew you didn't dare make a call past suppertime, unless of
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course it was an emergency. Groggy and dazed, Joe Gary was the one to answer the phone, but the person on the other
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end spoke loud enough for Johnny to hear. And it was a man introducing himself as Detective Lewis Douglas with
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the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington, D.C. And to their utter shock, the detective said that their
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25-year-old daughter, Dana, was in jail. The detective explained that they had this sting operation at the Omni Hotel
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there in D.C. and Dana was one of the women that they'd arrested that night for charges related to sex work. Now,
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that didn't sound like their daughter at all. I mean, Dana had an office job in the city. The only time she'd ever
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really been in trouble was with her parents right after high school. I mean, she started hanging out with the wrong
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crowd. She got mixed up in drugs for a minute, but that was years in the past. And at no time had there ever been any
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arrests for sex work. But more than what this detective was saying, Johnny said that the way that this guy talked, his
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attitude, his energy were just off. Here's retired Detective Jim Trainum. He remembers the details of Dana's case
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well from his time reviewing cold cases at MPD. Mr. Chisholm talked about how he kind of
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felt like the phone call itself was odd because the person who was identifying himself as Douglas was seemed to be
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excited. Uh he was saying that he was going to get a promotion. The man on the other end of the phone
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carried on saying that Dana was going to be arraigned. She should be out at some
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point during the day. And then he said something like, "Don't worry, she's fine. Just call in the morning. It's
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late." And although the tone of the conversation was a bit bizarre, this guy did leave the Chisholms a phone number
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that they could call later to check in, which was the one thing that made this call seem more legit. So, all they could
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do at that point was wait around worrying about their daughter until they hopefully heard from her later that day.
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But when the wee hours of the morning turned into more reasonable business hours and there was still no word from
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Dana, Johnny decided to give that number a call. And I know what you're thinking,
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it was fake. That's what I expected, but it wasn't. The line rang and it was in fact MPD. But when Johnny asked for
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Detective Douglas, and then Detective Douglas got on the phone, his response instantly made Johnny's heart sink.
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Well, the real Detective Douglas was actually very puzzled about what was going on. Of course, he didn't call the
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family. He said, "I have no idea what you're talking about." A detective in the second district
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wouldn't be one who would be doing a prostitution sting anyway. That would be a part of another totally different
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unit. So, he would not be somebody who would have participated in something like this.
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It was all a lie. Now, when he learned about the previous call, the real Detective Douglas asked
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where Dana worked, but Johnny was hesitant to say. I mean, if this was all some sick prank, then he didn't want to
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get his daughter into any trouble at the Hudson Institute, this political think tank where she was a secretary.
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Johnny recalled Detective Douglas saying something along the lines of, "But don't you want to find your
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daughter?" Which felt weird to Johnny cuz he didn't think he'd use any language that implied
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he was necessarily looking for her, just that he was worried about Dana being detained. But desperate, Johnny ended up
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giving Douglas his daughter's work address anyway. Now, there was no missing person's report filed or case
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opened on Dana at the time, but Detective Douglas let Johnny know that he would look into it and call him back.
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He didn't know what was going on. So, that's when he decided that he would just go by the house where she lived and
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check on her, see what's happening. When he got there and there was no answer, that's when he left his card. Douglas
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never did call Johnny back to let him know that he didn't have any luck making contact with Dana. He might have just
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been waiting to hear something back from her or may have even assumed this was all a bunch of nothing. I mean, after
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all, the house he went to was in a very nice neighborhood, the kind of neighborhood where it's easy to believe
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that bad things don't happen. We spoke to retired MPD Captain Michael Farrish and here's what he said.
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Argyle Terrace was more of upscale. They call that the Gold Coast. In fact, the address we were at, if you went through
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the backyard and hopped a big old fence, you were on an estate owned by the Rockefeller family.
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So, I guess you're kind of getting the idea of what kind of neighborhood it was. What Captain Farrish referred to
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there, the Gold Coast, is the designated name for an enclave in the northwest corner of D.C. for black professionals
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and intellectuals, according to the New York Times. And Farrish used to patrol that area, so
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he can speak to the crime rates or rather lack thereof. Now, remember, this was 1995. Cell
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phones weren't at all common yet. So, when Johnny never heard back from Detective Douglas, he decided that he
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would just call Dana's employer himself to try and find out what was going on. Maybe this was all some huge
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misunderstanding and she was at the office working as she should be on a Monday. But a call to her office just
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made Johnny more concerned. He recalled that her boss was rude, stating that Dana hadn't shown up for work that
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morning, and then he was quick to hang up on him. Now, it seems like Dana may have had a history of showing up late,
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even skipping every so often. So, perhaps the response was just out of frustration. I don't know, but annoyed
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by this guy's apparent apathy, Johnny ended up calling back and this time he spoke to one of Dana's female coworkers,
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her friend who spoke respectfully. But she said the same thing. Nope, Dana hadn't shown up and she never called in
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to tell anyone she'd be out that day. Though people at work seemed to be letting her absence slide, there was at
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least one person in D.C. who was worried enough about Dana to dig a little deeper.
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And that was her landlord. She and her teenage son actually shared a home with Dana. They lived upstairs while Dana had
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the entire basement floor to herself with her own separate entrance. And the landlord was the one to find the
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business card that Detective Douglas left. Detective cards don't just like show up
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every day. So, figuring something was wrong, she called him and learned that no one had been able to get in touch
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with Dana. This really bothered her cuz Dana's car was right there in the driveway. So, she decided to do a little
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investigating of her own after she hung up. First, she went to check and see if Dana would open the basement door. Maybe
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she hadn't heard when Detective Douglas knocked earlier. But after getting no response, her
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landlord decided to enter the basement area using her own key. And that's when it became clear why no
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one had heard from Dana. Back in South Carolina, about 24 hours after they had received that odd call in
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the dead of the night, the Chisholms' phone startled them awake once again. This time it was dispatch asking them to
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go to their front door where two county deputies were waiting for them. Johnny opened the door and one of them handed
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him a number for the DC police. When he called, that's when they were finally told the horrific news that
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their daughter Dana had been murdered. The Chisholms never went to DC. They still haven't been to this day. It was
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just too much for them to bear. Instead, they had a family member who was already living in the area confirm
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their daughter's identity on their behalf. Not having to make the identification
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was a blessing because what police had found at the scene was disturbing. Dana was located in the hallway. She was
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nude and a cord had been wrapped around her neck and was sitting up against the bedroom door with the cord wrapped
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around the handle of the door with her arms crossed in front of her. Dana had been strangled with a piece of phone
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cord that had been cut. Part of it was still laying on top of her bed and detectives also observed these ligature
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marks where her hands or wrists had been tied up at some point. Having viewed photographs of the scene,
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it seemed to be selectively ransacked. It wasn't like a lot of your typical burglary scenes that I used to work
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where they were just trying to find anything that they could. It's like this person knew what they were looking for
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and that they were going into specific areas. Police believe the killer did take
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something with them that day. But he also left something behind, an ominous message written on the calendar
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in the hallway. It referred to Dana in kind of a vulgar manner. But then it says something
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really interesting, which is "I'll be back MPD." Solving the toughest criminal investigations sometimes requires a game
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make sure you don't miss out on a single episode. Then Sergeant Michael Ferrish responded
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to the crime scene that day that this all broke. In his 30s at the time working in the so-called murder capital,
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he'd seen a lot of terrible things. But this sexually explicit note ending in "I'll be back MPD" is permanently
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imprinted in his mind. As is the fear that he felt when reading that final line.
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Could that have meant "I'll be back" in other words, there are more victims coming. Foreboding warning
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that there were going to be more female victims. Is this the first one we've identified and perhaps the strangest
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cases that we haven't had enough indications to say are linked? Or is this the first
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one of somebody who's a real wacko and goes, "You know what? This is my first but not my last."
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The department was clearly dealing with a killer who liked to play games. Not only had he left a pointed message for
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police, but the medical examiner had Dana's likely time of death at sometime late on the evening of February 26th,
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meaning that she was probably deceased hours before her poor parents received that mysterious call from a fake
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Detective Douglas. Now, they know that the killer didn't make the call from Dana's house because
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they were eventually able to trace it to a payphone right by an area on Interstate 395 where you could hop on to
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go to Virginia or Maryland. But they do think that this killer probably stuck around her apartment after she was dead.
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Dana's landlord remembered hearing someone taking a long shower at some point the evening of Dana's murder. At
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the time, she probably thought it was Dana. But she did likely suspect even then that Dana wasn't alone in her
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basement apartment. And that's because at around 6:00 p.m., she'd noticed an unknown car parked in the driveway right
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behind Dana's. Though, it's important to note she couldn't remember any specific details
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about the car. Not thinking anything was out of the norm at the time. I mean, she
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hadn't really been paying much attention. The landlord and her teenage son were home around the time Dana was
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thought to have been killed. But they didn't hear anything concerning. No loud arguments, no sounds of a struggle or
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screams for help. But it was a pretty big house after all. Now, it should have been easy to figure out who Dana was
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with that night. Detectives discovered that she kept a detailed datebook and a diary that gave a pretty good
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play-by-play of her life. She also had a caller ID box. So, for 1995, I mean, police had everything they could
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possibly want to pinpoint who she was with or who she'd at least been in contact with leading up to her death.
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Except they didn't. She had a landline. So, when somebody would call, the call number would come
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up on the caller ID box. And you could delete that. But in this case, the person took the actual box with them. It
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seems most likely that the killer took the box with them because their number would have shown up in the recent call
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list, possibly the most recent. You see, detectives spoke to one of Dana's friends who'd been hanging out with her
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at Dana's place on Saturday afternoon before leaving at around 5:30. And she had observed something very telling.
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There was a friend of hers who was over there Saturday afternoon and they were planning to go out but then Dana changed
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her mind. And during the time that she was over there, Dana kept getting these phone calls that
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when she checked the caller ID, she just didn't bother answering. Now, along with the caller ID box, there
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were at least three other items known to be missing. The first being Dana's apartment key. Seemingly, it had been
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taken with her killer, probably used to lock the door on his way out. But the weird thing is the killer didn't keep
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it. And of all people, it was a reporter who found it as they were filming news coverage outside of her place. He finds
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the key in the street. He calls the detectives over to comment on it and sure enough, it's the key to Dana's
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apartment. It's interesting that the killer felt the need to lock the door after he left. From my understanding, it
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was taken off a key ring. And so, why did he do that? Why did he feel the need to take it off the key
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ring? And of course, once I didn't need it anymore, I would have gotten rid of it as soon as possible because that's
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would be something to link me to her. And I wouldn't want that to be found in my possession.
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The other two items that appeared to be missing were never found, her most recent datebook and diary. Which makes
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Detective Trainum think that someone was trying to erase any sign that they had ever existed in Dana's life.
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But there was something left behind that couldn't be erased. Her autopsy revealed
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that Dana was 4 weeks pregnant. Johnny told our reporter Madison that her family hadn't known about the pregnancy,
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but in hindsight, he did remember something. Dana had recently called him to let him know that she would be making
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a trip home soon. She said she had something to tell him. You could theorize that she had just
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learned that she may be pregnant. Maybe it hasn't been confirmed yet. But she's just learned this and she told
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this person that. One of the things that in reading information about the interviews, she would use a condom.
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Maybe with this person she didn't. Maybe she developed, you know, some kind of more personal relationship with him and
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didn't use a condom and became pregnant. We really don't know. These things are all theories that you really can't prove
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one way or the other. We know Dana did know about the pregnancy because about a week before
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her murder, she confided the news to a coworker. It came up because this friend or
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coworker caught Dana crying at the office. So, it seemed like this revelation was not something Dana had
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planned or was happy about, at least not in that vulnerable moment. We don't know
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for sure if Dana told this friend or anyone else who she thought the father may have been.
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Both Trainum and Ferrish didn't think that friend or anyone else detectives spoke to had ever offered up a possible
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name, at least that they could remember. And you would think that a comment like
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that would stand out enough to leave a lasting impression. We asked present-day DC police Commander Kevin Kentish if
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Dana had given her friend a name of a potential guy. But he said he couldn't comment as obviously this person would
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be considered a suspect. Finding out who Dana was with before she died was police's number one priority. And lucky
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for them, Dana herself might have left them their first list of potential suspects.
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Hi, Crime Junkie. I'm your host Ashley Flowers. And I'm Britt. And every week we cover
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all kinds of true crime cases from the most infamous to mysterious deaths and disappearances, even cases you've never
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like us and want to make a real impact in these cases, you're definitely a crime junkie. So, join us every Monday
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for new episodes. You can find Crime Junkie wherever you get your podcasts. Dana had been keeping track of the
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various men she'd been seeing. Inside her apartment, police found notes that included some names and phone numbers.
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What her job didn't know, what her parents didn't know, what a lot of her close friends did was that one she had a
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lot of boyfriends but two she was working part-time as an escort. She was advertising for dates and back then you
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didn't have the internet of course and so we would advertise like the local weekly newspaper you know people looking
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for a companionship or whatnot. There was like some phone lines that you would call and exchange information. And from
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my understanding from what her friends were saying about her and from what some of her clients that were interviewed
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were saying about her was that she was asking for money directly. Typically if she got involved with a client they had
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sex she would maybe drop a hint that she could use money and they would often times pay her. I think it's important to
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clear something up. There are some things I found online that seemed to imply that what she was doing was
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extortion but both Trainum and Farish said none of the men who were interviewed described it as being
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blatant or malicious. Farish said it was more like Dana was making suggestions. It was the let me play the sympathy card
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heartstring or don't be a dummy. Whatever way you want to put it uh yeah I don't I don't it isn't like she came
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out and said look give me some cash or I'm calling the old lady. Uh we had no indication of that it was
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just you know there were men that did stupid things and you know no pun intended
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basically got caught with their pants down and you know had the monetary wherewithal to say you know
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what it's easier to give her $100 and roll out of here pretend like this never happened.
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And I think that was more along the lines of what would occur. It was the quote unquote my roommate suddenly moved
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out sob story type thing. One of the interesting things about her and this is actually what one of her friends warned
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her about she would become emotionally involved with some of these folks and she would
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begin to see them as friends. So that probably did play a part in her demise and I hate to phrase it that way
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cuz the last thing that we need to do is start victim blaming. Just because she engaged in that lifestyle does not mean
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that she deserved to die. So I think we have to be careful but we also have to understand victimology is very important
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because we have to understand what might have been going on around the victim's life during that time and again a bad
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word but appropriate word contributed to her demise. Often times that's the only
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way that you can identify uh the person who killed her by looking at that aspect
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and looking at timelines and things like that. The kind of men she saw varied. Business
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men flashy guys she met out at clubs some were single others were married but according to Farish there was one type
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that she seemed to go for above all others. She kind of had a thing for cops. There was several cops that we
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identified whether they were local or federal law enforcement had relations with her whether it was a date and sex
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or just meeting somewhere and hooking up. Out of all the law enforcement that they
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identified and interviewed Farish thinks at least two were cops who were working
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for MPD at the time. It was one of those look you're going to come down and talk to us
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or I'm going to call your house and have you come down and talk to us. Don't you think it would just be easier?
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I don't care if you're stepping out on your marriage that's not my business. That's between you your conscience and
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your wife not me. The ones in law enforcement that we did identify we're very confident you know
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and believe me they were scrutinized we looked at them sideways so you know uh no doubt
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and rest assured every effort was put into identifying who we could getting a story out of them and then
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trying to pick it apart so that we didn't have egg on our face later. There was another MPD officer who wasn't
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necessarily on Dana's list who may have been familiar with her though. Remember Detective Lewis Douglas?
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Although he hadn't initially remembered any connection to Dana after her body was found and he came down to the
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homicide office to make a statement he realized that he had actually met her before.
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You see about a week or so before Dana's murder there had been some things stolen
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at the Hudson Institute where she worked and Douglas was the one handling that case and he'd actually talked to Dana.
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He denied any sort of contact with her beyond that. He said that when he got back to the station after her body had
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been found he went through the complaint file and found her name in the file system as someone he had talked to or
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someone he had taken a report from. He said that he had no memory of her until he went back and pulled that up. Dana
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kept this book filled with business cards which was found during investigators search of her place.
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And the theory that emerged was that her killer could have found the card that Detective Douglas would have given Dana
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inside that book and then had taken it with him to the payphone that night and that's why he used the name Detective
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Douglas when he called the Chisholms. And that might be true it might not but either way it didn't explain why he made
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the call in the first place. Was it intended to give a reason to her parents why she wouldn't be in touch?
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Maybe to try and prolong anyone realizing that Dana was dead? Or was it purely just to mess with them?
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One day in March when the phone at the homicide office rang then Sergeant Michael Farish got the answer to that
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question. We brought you the Deck podcast to tell the stories of cold cases each week that
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need your attention. But in doing so we stumbled across a case that we couldn't possibly scratch
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the surface of in a single episode. So we dug deeper to bring you a brand new limited series.
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This is the Deck Investigates. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. And I'm sitting at my desk and someone
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hollered hey Sarge line one. So I hit line one gas Sergeant Farish homicide and the person starts talking to me and
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that's when I realized they know something about this case. I'm looking back at the detectives in
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the office who are working going okay someone's just messing with me but they start talking about the case not in
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particulars but more about Dana. As squad sergeant of the homicide unit at that time Farish had naturally become
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kind of the talking head for Dana's case. Any updates to the media were made through him. So it made sense why this
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caller would have asked for him specifically. And when I'm talking to him it's quick phone call I'm talking about
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maybe a minute 90 seconds but he said enough for me to go uh this might be legit. If it ain't one of
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the guys messing with me this might be legit and the voice is not familiar to me.
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Uh so when he's talking he's like well you know you know how to reach out to me and
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I'm like no dude I don't know how to reach out to you and I was like you know give me a name and he goes what do you
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think I'm going to give you my name and I go you got to give me something I go because I'm tired of calling you sir and
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dude. And I said so give me a name so I know if you call me again I'll know I'm talking to you.
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And he gave me a name. Though the voice was similar to the one who called the Chisholms a bit raspy
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maybe a guy in his 30s or 40s this time he didn't call himself Detective Douglas. Now this time he used
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the name of a Marvel character. Now I'm not going to reveal which one because it's something that Farish
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believes could be important to hold back. In fact the first time Madison called him and mentioned the nickname
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she heard he was taken aback afraid that the cat was out of the bag but he wanted
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you to know the Marvel part because after all of this time he thinks that there's a chance that that's what could
00:28:18
stand out to someone who may have information. Maybe the caller chose this specific Marvel superhero for a reason.
00:28:27
Because I uh was hoping that this guy would call me again. Because he called two or three times he
00:28:33
always asked to speak to me. Sometimes he called you know I'm working day work and he'd call on the midnight shift or
00:28:40
he'd call on the 3:00 to 11:00 shift but I would come in and in my mail slot be one of those little yellow or pink you
00:28:47
were called by and they would write down the name you were called by so and so. But we had no caller ID we couldn't do
00:28:55
track and trace we couldn't do any of that. So on my desk phone I had what they called an induction coil which was
00:29:03
basically just a suction cup. It was a suction cup with a microphone and you would put it on like the
00:29:09
backside of the receiver that you put up at your ear and it had a wire and it would run to an old-fashioned tape
00:29:15
recorder and when you went to take a call so whenever I was at my desk I would hit record on the tape deck and
00:29:22
pick up the phone in case it was him. Of course he never called when I was sitting at my damn desk. There was no
00:29:27
set schedule or anything and he would never stay on the phone he would never let me put him on hold.
00:29:35
I guess because he always thought that you know oh you're going to trace the phone number and I would be like dude we
00:29:41
can't trace the phone this is the DC Police Department. You know we're using dial phones we don't have
00:29:48
that kind of technology, but for whatever reason he didn't buy it. We couldn't trace those calls. It was
00:29:54
impossible. Believe me, we looked into it. If was there any way to trace incoming calls, the answer was flat no.
00:30:02
The one thing they did find out was that the incoming calls were local. Ferris said the man sounded intelligent,
00:30:11
not genius, but smart and in control of his emotions. This guy would never straight up say that he killed Dana, but
00:30:18
the insinuation was definitely there. In one of the few calls where he made contact with Ferris, he said that he
00:30:25
knew why Dana was murdered. Said it was because of her lifestyle, because she went out to clubs and slept with
00:30:32
multiple men. And he wanted Ferris to let the world know that. He wanted him to announce it to the media. So, after
00:30:41
seeking some advice from behavioral analysis experts at Quantico, Ferris did go public with more information on Dana.
00:30:50
But, he painted a picture very opposite of the one that the caller had described. I think I referred to her as
00:30:59
the all-American girl, the kind of, you know, the cheerleader, sang in the choir,
00:31:05
kind of girl you bring home to mom and dad. It seemed to work. He got a rise out of
00:31:12
this caller. And after a bit of a break, the man called again saying he was back
00:31:17
in town. And now he was willing to meet face-to-face with Ferris. All I remember is I I had a trench coat
00:31:26
on cuz it was raining and it was chilly. But, I was in the office, phone rang, it
00:31:31
was him. And he said, "If you want to meet me." And he gave me a location out in
00:31:38
uh I If I remember correctly, I believe it was out in Southeast DC out off Minnesota Avenue.
00:31:45
And he said, "Come and meet me there." And I grabbed my coat, grabbed my radio, and I ran out the door.
00:31:55
Uh I don't I don't even remember telling anybody else in the unit that I was headed out. I was just like, "You need
00:32:01
me, I'm on the radio." I drove over there. I parked the cruiser. Um you know, it was an unmarked
00:32:08
cruiser, but, you know, every every mope in the city knew what unmarked police cruisers look like. And I sat there in
00:32:15
the rain drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes and looking at every car and every person that walked by
00:32:23
uh hoping that if he comes up on me and he goes to shoot me, at least I hope I see him coming and he doesn't come in
00:32:31
from an angle from a mirror that I don't see. Uh but, that's how badly I wanted to
00:32:37
meet this son of a uh because I I don't want to say I took it personal, but I got it sort of like, "Oh, you've
00:32:46
you've taunted with me. I've I really want to see the one behind this, the guy who
00:32:54
poked the bear and said, 'Yeah, uh you want to meet me, come and meet me.' and had me sitting in a car for God, I don't
00:33:01
remember how many hours I sat there uh just burning gas, sitting in the cold wet
00:33:08
hoping that he would show up and and if he did, I never saw him, but he would have seen
00:33:14
me. I honestly don't know. I I mean, I know that that that feeling you say, you know, where you feel like you're being
00:33:22
watched. Um I don't know. I I wouldn't say that that overcame me. There was plenty of vantage
00:33:29
points to see me without approaching. Hell, he could have walked right past the car, looked in the window, I
00:33:35
wouldn't have known it was him. You know what I mean? After about two months and three short
00:33:40
phone calls, this mysterious man never contacted police or the Chisholms again, at least to anyone's knowledge.
00:33:48
Which left that provocative message that the killer had written on Dana's wall calendar to just loom over them.
00:33:56
But, then it says something really interesting, which is "I'll be back, MPD." Anticipation and anxiety morphed into
00:34:04
relief when the killer didn't follow through on his threat. There didn't seem to be any other victims connected to
00:34:10
this case. And even better, they realized that his note and the warning at the end might actually include a big
00:34:19
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00:34:29
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00:34:35
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attention fades. This is Dark Downeast. Trainum and Ferris both believe that this man had some type of relationship
00:35:00
with Dana. This wasn't some random stranger. What he wrote, the fact that he called her parents and told them that
00:35:07
she was busted for sex work, even the stuff he told Ferris to say to the media, it all led to the same possible
00:35:14
conclusion. I think it can be argued that one, he's very angry with her. Uh he is involved in in some kind of
00:35:24
relationship with her. He's very angry. He wants her degraded. Uh probably cuz he she hurt him or whatever along that
00:35:31
line or maybe she wasn't monogamous like he wanted her to be, but he definitely want wanted the world to know, wanted
00:35:39
her parents to know that he considered her to be an awful person. The second clue was an even bigger one.
00:35:47
You see, both Trainum and Ferris said that around this time, those outside of law enforcement weren't likely referring
00:35:54
to the force as MPD. It was much more common to simply say DC police. My tentative theory at this point would be
00:36:03
that I mean, this would be somebody who she had established a relationship with relatively soon before
00:36:10
her death. That he was extremely possessive. He had some sort of knowledge or contact
00:36:18
with uh police officers. So, he did either worked in law enforcement, had a law enforcement source, or maybe was a
00:36:26
criminal himself who had enough information about that. Though Ferris feels fairly confident
00:36:31
that the killer wasn't with MPD at the time, he, like Trainum, is pretty sure that there's at least some link to local
00:36:40
police. Somebody maybe had been a cop and got fired for whatever reason. You know, they
00:36:47
could have had dirty P. You know, got fired cuz they smoked a joint or some crap. Who knows?
00:36:54
But, there there could have been an axe to grind towards the department, too. Along with the use of the acronym MPD,
00:37:02
Trainum also points out the way that the killer talked to Dana's parents the night that he called them, his lingo and
00:37:09
the information he gave. Uh he didn't really know that much about investigations, but he knew enough about
00:37:14
prostitution and things. He knew enough about how police booking works, things along that line.
00:37:20
You want to know the thing that makes me the most convinced? Where that call to Johnny was made from.
00:37:28
Remember, it was traced to a payphone by the Interstate. And they were only able
00:37:32
to do that because long-distance calls were recorded by the phone providers back then. And a call from DC to her
00:37:38
parents down South Carolina would have been long-distance. I think he knew that. And let me tell
00:37:44
you why. Some say that he might have picked that location because it was right where you
00:37:49
could hop on the highway to leave the district, you know, high-tail it out of town. And sure, maybe that's it.
00:37:56
But, maybe it's deeper than that. Maybe it was another message. There's a place called Triple Nickel,
00:38:03
which was 555 Fourth Street Northwest. That was US Attorney's Office. Two blocks south of that was police
00:38:11
headquarters. Two blocks north of that was a carryout on a corner at Fourth and Massachusetts Avenue. And then like a
00:38:21
block block and a half north of that was what we called court parking. Where back at
00:38:27
that time, if you had a if you were an officer, there was a parking lot that you had a court parking permit, you put
00:38:34
it in your windshield, you could park your car on this lot to go and attend court. Because next
00:38:40
door to police headquarters was the DC Superior Court, which is where most of the trials occurred. So,
00:38:46
the phone call to the Chisholms, we don't know if it was intentionally made from that location,
00:38:54
but it was made between court parking, US Attorney's Office, and then just below that, headquarters and court. So,
00:39:02
it was a it was a location very well known to any cop that did any work and ever
00:39:09
had to go to US Attorney's Court or headquarters. That carryout at that corner where the payphones were also was a
00:39:18
place where a lot of cops would stop and get a cup of coffee. So, was this a coincidence? Was it
00:39:26
possible the killer was one of their own? Or was it someone who hated law enforcement and made the calculated move
00:39:34
to stick their metaphorical middle finger up at investigators like, "I just killed a woman and now I'm right
00:39:40
outside, practically on your doorstep, calling her parents, pretending to be one of you.
00:39:46
The list of men who were officially connected to law enforcement in Dana's case is limited. If you remember, at
00:39:53
least two who were working for MPD who were known to have engaged with Dana socially, maybe about a handful of
00:40:00
others who worked for different law enforcement agencies who she had seen in some form or fashion, and Detective
00:40:06
Lewis Douglas. Now, that's not to say that there weren't more because, again, her most
00:40:11
recent datebook and diary and caller ID were taken intentionally trying to erase
00:40:16
some record of someone. But, of the people who we do know about, someone stands out to Johnny Chisholm.
00:40:25
He has always wondered if there was more to this Detective Lewis Douglas story. For one, he told our reporter Madison
00:40:34
that the one time they spoke, Douglas asked him about finding his daughter before Johnny even clarified what
00:40:41
exactly was going on. Two, he thinks it's possible that the voice he heard on the phone that fateful night sounded
00:40:47
similar enough to have potentially been the real Detective Douglas he called later that morning.
00:40:53
And three, he found it odd that Detective Douglas never did call him back, never explained why his name had
00:41:00
gotten mixed up in all of this. You could say Johnny just thought it was all a little sketchy.
00:41:06
Had the killer really just found Douglas's card and decided to roll with it? That's actually what both retired
00:41:14
Detective Trainum and retired Captain Ferris think. Of course, that thought was in our head,
00:41:20
you know, did Lewis meet her when he was down on a call, you know, working, give
00:41:25
her his card and said, "Hey, let's hook up." And did she maybe say, "Yeah." We you know, we had to flush that out
00:41:32
and we did and and, you know, long story short, we we were able to clear Lewis Douglas from any
00:41:39
any kind of involvement in this. Ferris also had an explanation for some of Johnny's concerns.
00:41:47
At the time, Douglas was young, he was inexperienced in his role, maybe even a little reserved. The seemingly odd
00:41:54
interaction Johnny had could just be blamed on the fact that Douglas was I mean, shocked that his name had been
00:42:00
dragged into something so brutal. Present-day DC Police Commander Kevin Kentish also confirmed this for our
00:42:05
reporter Madison. Yes, Douglas was looked into, but nothing led them to believe that he could have been the
00:42:12
killer. He was not considered a suspect. And that wasn't just true of Douglas. Police looked at a lot of people, and
00:42:20
each of them were getting eliminated as suspects one by one, either through alibis, voice stress tests, or the like.
00:42:28
They did focus on a lot on a couple of associates, uh both personal and professional of Dana's,
00:42:36
mostly ones that had either a violent background, a criminal background, may have been involved in some sort of
00:42:42
domestic issues on their own. I don't have any specific numbers as to how many people they questioned or looked at or
00:42:48
whatever, but there were a lot. I mean, I would say dozens, and some they looked
00:42:52
at much more carefully than others. Um some they could rule out pretty quickly because they had good alibis that they
00:42:58
were able to cooperate. Others, especially if they weren't cooperative or or whatever, it took longer
00:43:05
to rule them out. Um and like I said, I just don't know how many they ruled out, you know, based on
00:43:11
voice stress analysis test. Back then, you would investigate by polygraph. And you would use that to make decisions
00:43:17
as to who you would follow up on and who you wouldn't, not recognizing a number of false
00:43:22
positives and of false negatives. Um you know, the best polygraph examiners, you
00:43:27
know, first off, I don't believe in the polygraph for many reasons, but I have worked with polygraph examiners, and the
00:43:32
best ones that I have worked with, the main value of the polygraph is the mystique behind it. And it's the
00:43:38
pre-polygraph interview where the person is so freaked out that they're going to
00:43:42
be caught on the polygraph that they give more information that that that they intended to. But the best polygraph
00:43:50
examiners I ever worked with would always tell me that you always follow the evidence, you don't follow the
00:43:54
polygraph. Don't follow the polygraph. Follow the evidence. Well, lucky for MPD, it seems like they
00:44:03
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get your podcasts. During Dana's autopsy in 1995, a full examination was done along with a sexual
00:44:43
assault kit. From her autopsy, there was no uh indication of semen. Uh I I don't recall any being found
00:44:55
on the bed uh because there was evidence they had been in the bed prior to where she was ultimately found
00:45:03
near a hallway door, a closet door uh outside the bedroom. But that doesn't mean there wasn't any
00:45:12
sexual activity involved in that. There are some question as to whether or not there was semen on another article
00:45:20
within the house. According to Trainum, that other article might be a towel. Well, we know that they wanted to test
00:45:28
it back in 1995. However, during that time period, there was no CODIS database, and so no laboratory
00:45:37
would just test an item just to get a DNA sample if they had nothing to compare it to. You needed to submit
00:45:45
somebody's DNA uh to the laboratory so that they could do a one-on-one comparison.
00:45:50
Now, I do know that they did take um you know, saliva samples, you know, DNAs you know, from several people, but I
00:45:58
don't have any information as to if those were submitted and compared to the towel.
00:46:03
Ferris also remembers some folks offering up saliva samples voluntarily, but at least while he was on the force,
00:46:09
resources kept detectives from being able to send anything off. DNA work at that time, we had to farm
00:46:16
out uh to Bode Lab, and it was expensive. I mean, for like two items to be tested was like five grand.
00:46:26
And you got to remember, this is a time when the city was broke, and we were sometimes putting tires on police cars
00:46:35
out of our own pocket because the police department couldn't afford to buy tires
00:46:40
for the freaking cars. I mean, it was bad. You know, we had rotary phones at the
00:46:46
homicide unit, no caller ID, no voicemail, no it it was bad. Financially, it was bad.
00:46:53
So, DNA testing was very specific, and it wasn't a fishing expedition to see, "Oh, well, let's do DNA testing to see
00:47:04
if something's in CODIS that'll match." Because you got to remember, I I I don't
00:47:10
even know if they called it CODIS yet. It was in its infancy. I mean, we understood the concept of DNA, but we
00:47:16
also understood how financially prohibitive it was for our department to have DNA work done.
00:47:24
Basically, back then, what they did is they would look at DNA as more of a way to prove that the suspect you already
00:47:32
had did it, not a way to like go looking for suspects. And the problem they had was truly that they had no idea who
00:47:41
killed Dana. And I know that sounds like a party line, but we even asked Ferris straight-up, you know, like, "Okay, no
00:47:48
official suspects, we get it, but every detective has a favorite, even if it's just a hunch.
00:47:54
Who's your hunch? Who was your favorite?" There's no one that I sat there and I went, "You know, I think this someone is
00:47:59
good for it." I've been in homicide around long enough to know 90 to 95% of the cases that are investigated within a
00:48:08
reasonable amount of time, most of the time the detectives got a pretty good idea who did the murder. It's one thing
00:48:14
to know, and it's another thing to take to court and prove, and they just lacked
00:48:19
that proof. In Dana's case, honestly, my answer is no. Without even an old-fashioned Colombo
00:48:28
hunch to follow, they needed what DNA has now become. It's not as cost-prohibitive nowadays, and with the
00:48:36
growth of CODIS, the database over the 30 years, and now you throw in the genetic DNA work that
00:48:44
can be done, it's only going to get better cuz that's only going to improve and lead to more suspects being
00:48:51
identified. Starting at around the year 2000, during the entire last decade of his career
00:48:57
with MPD, Trainum was working to identify cold cases within the department that had the potential of
00:49:03
being solved using DNA evidence. I mean, that's the whole reason he had familiarized himself with Dana's case in
00:49:09
the first place. It was part of this bigger review. He was flagging the ones with the best chances, and within those
00:49:15
cases, identifying which items would be sent off first. But here's the thing, when it came to
00:49:21
the forensic evidence in Dana's case, they hadn't been able to move forward with testing any items, not because they
00:49:28
didn't want to, but because they couldn't find them. We have a very poor track record, uh
00:49:35
especially back then, of keeping evidence. It's often times misplaced. What was going on during the time right before I
00:49:41
left was they were actually moving the warehouse. And so, evidence that we could not find
00:49:46
earlier they were now going through every piece of evidence and barcoding and putting it
00:49:52
into a database. And that's why this case was listed on my spreadsheet as one where we hadn't found the
00:50:00
evidence yet, but the information about uh property control numbers were there. And so, if they were able to find the
00:50:06
evidence in the future During his review, Trainum says that there were several items of interest
00:50:11
that stood out right away. But, at that point they were stuck. They had to just wait and see if they would
00:50:18
be able to locate any of those things during the move. But, there were several things that I
00:50:23
mean could be tested. Um not only the towel, but also the ligatures. Um you know, with the phone cord, the
00:50:30
one around her neck. We did not know this back then, but of course if somebody grabs a cord and they pull it,
00:50:36
they tighten it, their skin cells are going to go off on the cord and you can often times get
00:50:41
a DNA profile from that. And there's something else. There's like over 100 fingerprints found in her
00:50:49
house. Back then, you needed to have somebody's prints to compare to one to one. I never
00:50:55
saw any information about any fingerprint comparisons that were done with any of these suspects. But, now
00:51:00
they have automatic fingerprint comparison system where you can take prints that are are of sufficient
00:51:07
quality, run them through this database, and it will kick back with like the top
00:51:11
10, top 20, top 30. You then have to do a manual comparison. That would be something that I would have done. Go
00:51:17
back and re-evaluate these prints. Put them through the system. See what kicks back.
00:51:22
There was also special attention given to the bathroom in Dana's apartment because of what her landlady had heard.
00:51:29
That long shower it's believed that the killer took that night. I think that's why
00:51:35
uh that much attention was paid on the whole uh shower, you know, the drain, and the trap, and all that.
00:51:42
It's because that information she shared while we were still on the scene. They even pulled the drain in the tub.
00:51:50
You know, for hairs or anything else. What about Dana being pregnant? What I wondered more than anything else was
00:51:58
couldn't some DNA samples have been obtained from the fetal tissue to determine paternity?
00:52:04
The short answer is yes, it could. Yes, there would have been a a a sample tissue sample taken by the medical
00:52:12
examiner during autopsy. This is where things get a little frustrating. When Trainum eventually retired in 2010,
00:52:21
to his knowledge, they had yet to locate the potential forensic evidence in Dana's case. Now, it's worth noting that
00:52:28
Farish wasn't on the same cold case review team as Trainum. Towards the end of his career, he was
00:52:33
more focused on current homicide, so he wasn't really privy to the notion that anything in Dana's case had perhaps even
00:52:39
gone missing. But, Farish did say that when he retired 2 years after Trainum in 2012, as far as he was aware, still
00:52:48
nothing in Dana's case had been sent off for testing. So, we needed to go directly to the
00:52:55
source, the authority currently in charge to find out what's been going on here.
00:53:01
But, it remains unclear. Because when Madison spoke with Commander Kentish during an informal
00:53:08
half-hour phone conversation, he wouldn't get into specifics. Are you able to say anything about, you
00:53:15
know, if items are still around that can be tested cuz I think Trainum was unsure
00:53:20
if you know, I think during that time evidence was kind of being moved from a warehouse. So, it was unsure if these if
00:53:27
these items were even still existed. No, so um the evidence has been preserved. Um there's no fear of that.
00:53:35
Um I can't speak to the exact testing of evidence, but I can say that we have made um some progress in that case. Um
00:53:42
and uh it is being investigated right now. It is not a cold case as far as on the shelf. Uh somebody's actively
00:53:48
investigating that case. Uh we have made some uh some good progress in that case that unfortunately
00:53:53
is because it's open I can't talk about. Can you say if the progress is like related to testing evidence or like
00:54:00
potential evidence? Play that that's played a role in um us making the progress.
00:54:06
Okay. Okay, that's great to hear. Okay, so it's safe to say, you know, for the story we we can say that evidence in
00:54:13
this case that you know, forensic evidence in this case has been preserved, does exist, and
00:54:20
that um you know, testing of those items has led to progress. Yes, that is correct. Can you say um the
00:54:29
last time one or more of those items was tested? Like was it I can't recently? No comment on that
00:54:36
one. I really want to hold on to what he said about making good progress. But, because
00:54:43
I don't know what testing he's referring to or how recently it may have happened,
00:54:48
maybe it's false hope. Commander Kentish did specifically confirm that some sort
00:54:54
of fetal tissue evidence does exist, and that attempting to figure out who the father was using forensic technology is
00:55:01
something detectives are looking into. Now, I'm going to say the obvious thing real quick, like getting Dana pregnant
00:55:08
does not automatically mean that this person is also her killer. But, Johnny Chisholm told our reporting
00:55:14
team that he feels like her pregnancy has to be connected to her death in some way.
00:55:20
Police have to find the biological father. They have to find the person who tried so hard to wipe his existence from
00:55:27
Dana's place and her life, whether they're the same person or not. Her friends might know this person and
00:55:34
they might not be aware that he's never been identified or never been interviewed. I think it would be very
00:55:38
helpful if there was anybody that they knew that Dana was involved with in any way, shape, or form that they didn't
00:55:46
tell the police about or maybe they learned about later after they were interviewed by the
00:55:51
police. Or even if they did tell the police back then that they for whatever reason they still have a strong
00:55:57
suspicion or they even have a stronger suspicion now with the passage of time cuz things have happened. Just because
00:56:05
police ruled out somebody back then doesn't mean that new information might lead them right back. So, just as an
00:56:12
example, uh yeah, there was this guy who was seeing Dana. He seemed like he was really nice. Oh,
00:56:18
but few years later he gets locked up for finally assaulting his girlfriend and some other stuff.
00:56:24
You know, maybe you want to call back and say, "Hey, you might want to recheck this guy just in case."
00:56:31
That was Trainum's call out. And mine is to MPD. I don't know if funding is still an
00:56:37
issue, but if it is, please consider applying for a grant with Season of Justice. It's a nonprofit that will pay
00:56:43
the private lab of your choosing to test DNA. In a few short years, they've already issued over a million dollars in
00:56:50
grants that have gone on to actually solve cold cases. I started that nonprofit because I believe that money
00:56:56
should never be the reason that a family like the Chisholms doesn't get answers.
00:57:01
And listen, I'm not ignorant to the fickleness of the legal system. Depending on what DNA you get and from
00:57:06
where, it might not be the smoking gun you need. If the DNA is matched to this person who
00:57:12
says that he's never been in the house, boom. That's probative. If the if the towel is in a place where
00:57:21
like draped on top of items that were part of the ransacking, that makes it more probative. If we learn
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uh from Dana's friends or associates that every Saturday uh or every Sunday morning she does her laundry,
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washes all the towels, that makes it more probative. I'll take probative. Probative is a
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place to start. But, those ligatures more than anything seem like a treasure trove to me.
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Pretty hard to explain away your DNA on the phone cord wrapped around her neck. Listen, I wish I could tell you more
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about the testing. I wish I knew more. I bet the Chisholms wish they knew more, too.
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They have been kind and patient for a long time. I know many other families I work with feel like they have to be.
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Like they don't want to alienate the one line they have to the people and the agencies who are supposed to solve their
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loved one's case. But, that's why it's all of our jobs to make the noise. It is unacceptable to me that it has
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taken this long to do everything possible in Dana's case. There should be viable evidence. There
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are available funding methods. So, there are no excuses. Dana deserves so much better.
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Her family deserves better. The people of DC should be furious because they deserve better, too.
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It's evident Dana's murderer wanted to degrade her. Wanted everyone to think less of her.
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But, I hope he knows that we don't. Not a single person we spoke to does. Dana was kind-hearted. Someone who never
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met a stranger. Her dad described her like this, "There are some people who were just put on
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this earth because they were meant to serve others." And that was his Dana. Always helpful. Forever a true friend.
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She was a loving young woman with a beautiful smile. Her life was full and it was valuable.
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And that is how she will always be remembered. But, to Dana's murderer, it's all about to come apart for you.
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People are going to know how small you are and how ugly your heart is. And Dana was so much more in 25 years
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than you have ever had the potential to be. I don't know how people look at you right now.
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If there's even anyone who looks at you with love or something like respect. But I'd take it in.
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You're on a clock now. And I'm not the only one who thinks so. Obviously, you don't feel safe.
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Obviously, you think that any day the hammer could come down. And you're right, the hammer may be coming down
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tomorrow. It's about time, past time for someone who knows something to come forward. Be
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that call that brings the Chisholm's faith after almost 30 years with no answers.
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If you are that someone, please call the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington, D.C. at 202-727-9099.
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Or you can remain anonymous and just type what you know to MPD's text tip line 504-11.
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There is a $25,000 reward for information that leads to the arrest and conviction in the homicide of
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Dana Chisholm. The Deck is an Audiochuck production with theme music by Ryan Lewis. To learn
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