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Hi, crime junkies. I'm your host, Ashley
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Flowers.
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>> And I'm Brit.
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>> And I have a story that is going to stay
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with you. And be warned, it is not for
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the faint of heart. What was done to the
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victim and how she was [music] found is
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truly one of the most haunting images
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that I've had to convey in over 600
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cases, I think. But I'm going to walk
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you through it all. From the night of
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the murder on Valentine's [music] Day
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2007 to the brand new forensic
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techniques used to identify the killer
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and ultimately to the chilling
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realization that our suspect was living
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a double life. On one hand, he was
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moving about the world like you and I,
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acting out the part of father, partner,
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and friend. He lived and worked [music]
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in the very town where he also took the
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role of monster, a man who set up a
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crime scene [music] in a way that
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allowed him to watch as he desecrated
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the corpse of a young woman he killed in
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her own apartment. This is the story of
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Jod and Sarah.
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It's Valentine's Day 2007 and even after
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53 years [music] of marriage. Art and
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Lois Sarin don't skip out on a chance
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for a romantic date night of dinner and
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a movie to celebrate. They try to plan a
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day just for themselves. Because like
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many parents, decades of their lives
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have been consumed [music] with taking
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care of their six kids. And even more so
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for them because their 39-year-old
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daughter, Jodine, who goes by Jodie, she
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had developmental disabilities that
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we're told gave her the mental capacity
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of a girl in her early teens. And Jod
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lived on her own, but in many ways, she
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was still [music] dependent on her
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parents. They checked in on her every
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day. They helped her get from place to
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place because she didn't drive. But on
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this day, they hadn't been [music] able
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to get a hold of her. 72-year-old Lois
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tried pushing it out of her mind, like
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just one day where she and her husband
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could just focus on themselves. [music]
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It wouldn't be the end of the world. But
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all through dinner, it was like nagging
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at her. [music] And as she sat in the
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dark of the movie theater, she just
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couldn't focus on the screen. With every
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scene change, she just grew more and
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more anxious till she couldn't take it
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anymore. Like, what's the point of being
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there if she can't actually enjoy it?
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whatever feeling was crawling under her
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skin, she like just had to give in. So
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midmov, she and Art leave the theater.
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It's around [music] 1000 p.m. when the
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Sarens get to Jod's condo.
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At first, they knock and wait, expecting
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to hear their daughter's footstep, see
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the knob turn, but there's nothing. So
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Art pulls out his spare key, unlocks the
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door, and tries to push it open, but it
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barely budges. The chain is [music]
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latched from the inside.
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And this stops them cold because Jodie
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never chains her door. And now the
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Sarens are starting to panic. So at 77
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years old, Art throws himself [music]
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against the door and breaks it down. Now
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the lights are on inside the condo and
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the Sarins [music] head straight for
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their daughter's bedroom. Art opens the
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door and even though the room is dark,
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in the shadows he sees two people in
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bed. It looks like Jodie with a man and
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it looks like they're having sex and
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he's obviously taken aback, probably a
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little embarrassed, probably mad at
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whoever this man is. So, he quickly
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shuts the door and calls out is
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basically like, "Listen, you need to get
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[music] decent. You both need to come
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out to the living room. We are going to
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be here waiting for you."
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>> And honestly, I would probably be
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stewing a little bit. But a few minutes
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go by and then some more and no one
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comes out to join Art and Lois [music]
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in the living room. Not even Jodie. So,
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I don't know if it's stewing as much as
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it is just like something's wrong. Like
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they're getting curious, something's
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going [music] on. So, Art gets up to
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check again just to like nudge the two
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along.
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>> But this is when everything shifts. Not
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just like his perception of things, but
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it's like Art's whole world flips on its
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axis in this moment, and forever his
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life is going to be changed. When he
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opens the door, the man isn't in Jod's
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room anymore. It is just his daughter
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laying naked and lifeless on the bed,
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covered in blood. She's not breathing.
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She's actually cold to the touch. All of
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which Art tells to a 911 operator in a
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frantic call. Based on their
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recommendation, he moves Jod from the
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bed to the floor to begin CPR, [music]
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but there is no saving her. And when
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first responders get to the scene, it is
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quote immediately clear to them that Jod
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is dead. And given the state of her
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body, she has likely been dead for
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several hours, way before the Sarins
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even got to her condo. So, it's not like
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Art could have stopped anything.
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>> No. The medical examiner will end up
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determining that Jod died around noon
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that day. So almost 10 hours before they
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got there, which I imagine has to be
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some relief. Like I mean to even for a
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moment think that you were just sitting
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[music] feet away as someone killed your
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daughter would be mental torture.
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>> But then like there's that relief for a
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second, but you also then have to
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reconcile what it was you actually
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walked in on,
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>> which was this man desecrating Jod's
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corpse.
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>> And and in that moment, I don't know how
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much relief there is in [music] that.
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>> Yeah. And they were all in the apartment
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like at the same time. Did this guy
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escape through a window or something?
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>> No. So, the way that Jod's condo is laid
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out, it's kind of split down the middle
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by a dividing wall. So, when you walk in
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the front door, you can either turn one
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way and go to the bedroom or you can
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turn the other [music] way and get to
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the kitchen and living room.
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>> Oh.
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>> So, with the sirens sitting in the
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living room, this guy [music] could run
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right out of the front door without them
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actually even knowing. And investigators
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used blood hounds to track the man's
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scent from the condo out the front door
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down Jod Street all the way to a main
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road where he tossed his sweatshirt into
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a bush. But then that's where the scent
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stops. Their man is long gone, but he
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did leave plenty behind at the scene.
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[music] And not just physical evidence.
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There is evidence of how devious and
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methodical this man [music] was. I mean,
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it is clear that he took his time
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setting up this crime scene in exactly
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the way he wanted. Sheets and [music]
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blankets had been placed over the
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windows in Jod's room, and a fulllength
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mirror was moved next to the [music] bed
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so this guy could see what it was he was
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doing to Jod.
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He had beaten her over the head,
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strangled her, but she must have fought
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back because she had defensive wounds
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and bruising all over. And along [music]
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with sexually assaulting her corpse, the
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man also inflicted at least one cut, a
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laceration across her throat that likely
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happened post-mortem. This guy clearly
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had a plan around what he was doing to
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Jod. But her parents busting her front
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door down was obviously not part of the
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plan. And in his hurry to leave, he made
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some mistakes. First of all, there is
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blood all over Jod's room and in the
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bathroom, on the walls, the carpet, the
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linens. I mean, it's everywhere, as is
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his DNA and tons of partial
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fingerprints. And in his rush to sneak
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out without being seen by Jod's parents,
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he'd even left his sneakers behind. And
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these sneakers actually end up being a
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major clue because they weren't just
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like kicked off randomly. They had been
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taken off and neatly placed next to the
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rest of Jod's shoes by the front door,
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which is where Jodie always instructed
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her guests to remove and place their
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shoes before coming inside. Like Jod was
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like super neat and tidy, especially
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when it came to her place. So, this
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tells investigators that whoever killed
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Jod must have been invited in.
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[music]
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>> [music]
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>> Aside from Art's own work on the condo
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door, there were no signs of forced
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entry to Jod's place, and there were
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even dishes for two in the sink, which
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made it seem like things had started out
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friendly with whoever this person was
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before they took an unthinkable turn.
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>> Well, and it is like Valentine's Day,
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like dishes for two. Seems kind of like
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a date
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>> dateish. But whatever this started off
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as, like given the [music] state of the
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condo and the story that the evidence
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told, it seemed like like almost in an
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instant [music] things switched from
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good to bad. The change from neatly
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arranged shoes and dishes placed [music]
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in the sink to ragefilled violence in
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the bedroom suggested to detectives very
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early on that drug use may have been a
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part of the picture. But it would only
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have been on the part of the offender
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because Jod's parents were clear she did
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not use drugs and her autopsy would
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later confirm that. Now, I know it was
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dark and like obviously traumatic on
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multiple levels, but was Art able to see
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what this guy looked like at all when he
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first saw him in Jod's bedroom? So, in
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initial interviews, he actually claims
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to have gotten a good look at the
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suspect, like enough to [music] say that
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he was 5'8 to 6 feet tall, a little
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chubby, and I think his brain was trying
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to fill in the gaps because early on, he
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was even convinced that it was someone
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Jody knew, someone specific named Robert
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Burns. This was a guy that had similar
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developmental disabilities as Jod. They
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used to have some sort of relationship
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at some point, which would have put them
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together, maybe on Valentine's Day, but
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investigators quickly rule Robert out
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[music] because of his alibi, and they
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would later confirm it definitely wasn't
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him because his DNA did not match what
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was left at the crime scene. And with
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him ruled out, then all they've got is
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like a description of a kind of chubby
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guy who's about 6 feet tall. Well, and
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like you said, like all this DNA
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>> and that, but any hopes of a quick slam
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dunk get crushed because even though
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they had the DNA and DNA that's good
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enough to go into the state and national
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databases,
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>> this dude is a ghost. He's not in any
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database because like this is a case
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where we don't have a lot of these where
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it's like what 2007 you can put it in.
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The database is there. The database is
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populated. People know how it works. And
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still [music] he doesn't exist.
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>> Which seems bonkers to me because of
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how, like you said, methodical this was.
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It doesn't feel like a first time. Like
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how
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>> it's a shock to everyone. I mean, the
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only thing I think they assume is that
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like whatever this guy has done, he just
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hasn't gotten caught for it because
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nothing about this, like you said, is
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giving like first time offender.
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>> Yeah.
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But also, like I kept thinking, I wonder
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what the crime scene would have looked
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like had this man not been interrupted.
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>> Was he planning on cleaning up? Would he
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have even left Jod there? Like, we
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usually talk about Mo based on what's
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been left behind.
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>> But maybe he wouldn't have left anything
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behind if he had had enough time.
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[music]
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>> Exactly. Jod's dad could have completely
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changed the trajectory of things. Like,
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dude didn't even have time to put on his
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shoes. So, what else did [music] he not
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have time to do? So, they've got to find
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someone who's [music] not in a database
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who Jod either knew or recently met and
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would willingly let into her home. They
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start by building out the timeline of
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her last known movements. The last
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confirmed contact Jod had [music] with
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anyone was a phone call with her mom on
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the 13th, so the just the day before.
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and she'd actually told her mom on the
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phone that she was planning to go to a
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Valentine's Day party on the 14th, but
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we know she never made it to that party.
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There were several voicemails from
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people wondering where she was. Do they
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think that she met up with this guy on
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the 14th, or I mean, is it possible that
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he was actually there on the 13th? Like,
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her time of death is noon on the 14th,
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but I mean, I have to wonder how long
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they were together before that happened.
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>> Yeah, that's the big question. When did
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she meet him and where?
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Now, interestingly, they come to learn
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that while Jod didn't have a full-time
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job, she was very involved in volunteer
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work. She would help out at nursing
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homes or facilities for people with
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similar developmental disabilities. And
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[music] one of the facilities that she
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would go to was colllocated with a
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substance [music] abuse treatment place,
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which considering their early theory
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that the offender was on drugs, they
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begin to wonder if maybe she crossed
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paths with someone around there. And not
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even necessarily that day because she
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wasn't volunteering on the 14th,
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>> right? But maybe someone saw her, had
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been following her, had had some contact
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before.
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>> Yeah. Or even just like ran into her
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another time and then on this day was
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like, "Yeah, hey, remember me?"
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Whatever. Because the other thing about
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Jodie, she was trusting very overly
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people say, trusting of strangers. She
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was the kind of person who saw everyone
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as a friend and was so innocent [music]
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in her thinking. So, detectives actually
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hear that Jod would have let anybody
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into her home,
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>> which makes those like neatly placed
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shoes and dishes a little less like they
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they mean less. Right.
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>> Right. It just had to be in my mind
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someone that was like nice to her,
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right, to start out. But we know that
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switch from good to bad happened really
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quick. And knowing this now makes
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narrowing down a suspect pool early on
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nearly impossible. So, detectives spend
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the first weeks of their investigation
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making a Hail Mary list of anyone and
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everyone who could possibly be
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responsible. People in the area, people
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Jod was associated with or might have
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crossed paths with, people they're
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tipped off to. I mean, there are over 50
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men on this list and they go out and
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knock on all these guys' doors. They
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swab every single one of them [music]
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and send each and every swab to the lab
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for comparison. But there are no
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matches. And when they reach the bottom
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of their list, there really aren't any
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other obvious directions for
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investigators to go in. By this point,
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the case has been highly publicized as
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the quote Valentine's Day murder. Tips
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are coming in by the hundreds, but like
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nothing is panning out. So, at one
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point, detectives even reach out to the
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VOC [music] society, and that's a group
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of retired like detectives, FBI agents,
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forensic experts. Like basically they
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bring together anyone who's like an
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expert in their field.
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>> Um they're located in Pennsylvania and
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they take on some of the coldest most
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baffling murder cases that no one else
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can crack. [music] They'll like come in
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and consult for you. You have to present
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your case or whatever. But even they
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don't have a magic wand. I mean [music]
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they can suggest what type of offender
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this guy is.
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>> Maybe confirm that some of the theories
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[music] police had are probably right,
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>> but they can't make this guy
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materialize. And it's so much more
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frustrating when you have all this DNA
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on file and
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>> like no like I want to say no one but no
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one else, right? Like they've already
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tested it against 50 guys
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>> and the database and like
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>> and nothing is hitting.
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>> I know. So this is the same story that
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[music] we know and hate. weeks turn
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into months and then turn into years.
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And then with every day that passes,
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they just hope and pray that their guy
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will slip up and his DNA will get
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collected. Until then, this case just
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kind of ends up looming over Carl's bad
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PD as it gets passed from one detective
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to the next and [music] the next, and it
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becomes sort of the departmentwide white
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whale. Everybody wants to see this thing
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get solved, and they try everything. a
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$52,000 reward, please. To the media.
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Per the San Diego Union Tribune, Jod's
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family even puts her cold case
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information on display in public buses
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just in case there's someone out there
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with info. Like, if there is someone out
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there with info though, they are holding
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on tight to their secret. But lucky for
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police, we are about to hit an era of
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investigating where DNA can do all the
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talking. In 2016, so 9 years after Jod's
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murder, a new detective takes over the
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case.
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Lieutenant Eric Co. and this is just
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after the PD decided to tap Parabon
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Nanolabs in Virginia to do forensic
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phenotyping with the DNA sample they
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have. And I know we've touched on this
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before, like this is something that's
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come up in a lot of cases, but for our
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new crime junkies, would you mind?
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>> Sure. The phenotype composits can
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predict [music] a suspect's like eye
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color, hair color, skin tone, even
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sometimes the facial structure based on
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the DNA makeup. There are obviously
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several other factors that play that can
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make someone look different,
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>> right? Like facial hair or somebody's
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weight or
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>> Yeah. substance use can change your
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appearance, but this gives them like a
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baseline of some key characteristics
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[music] that they can use to at least
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help rule people in or out. Like eye
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color is like pretty cut and dry.
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>> Exactly. So Jod's case was actually the
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first time that Carl's bad PD ever used
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this kind of technology. And Lieutenant
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Co says he's sort of treating the
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composite as a filter. It might not look
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exactly like the suspect, but if a
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person of interest pops up with, like
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you said, a different eye color,
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different hair color, skin color, he can
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at least like rule people out much
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quicker, right? So they get this
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composite back and Lieutenant Co
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literally says it looks like every other
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surfer dude out there right now, which
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>> I've seen a lot of the Parabon composits
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and they kind of do just look like a
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guy. They all blend into the [music]
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same person. They It was like very cool
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the first couple of times we saw it and
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>> they're like it's just the same dude.
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>> Yeah. Eventually we're like got to So
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truly you are just looking for like
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color of like eyes, hair, something like
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that. So yeah, they end up getting this
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sort of nondescript white guy with
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bluish green eyes, dirty blonde hair,
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fair skin, and [music] some freckling.
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But the trick is they do have the
00:18:03
ability to make some tweaks [music]
00:18:04
using the information that they have or
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based on their theories like substance
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use, right? you said was a part of the
00:18:10
profile and substance use usually alters
00:18:13
someone's appearance. So Coanda had the
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lab increase the composite's BMI had him
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age him a little bit adding like deeper
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creases a 5:00 shadow. So that's the
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photo that they released to the public
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on the 10th anniversary of Jod's murder.
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And they do this on the steps of the San
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Diego courthouse. And immediately tips
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start pouring in. Tips that they
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probably had like not in a way that
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they've seen in a long time.
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>> But even with this influx of new
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information, nothing pans out. Still,
00:18:44
this new technology has really gotten
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Lieutenant Co's wheels turning. He's
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made a lot of connections by that point
00:18:50
with people in like the DNA science
00:18:52
world. And he's learning about all of
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the other ways that they can use DNA to
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get more info. Info like a suspect's
00:19:00
name with something called YSTR
00:19:02
profiling, which [music] that's a method
00:19:04
used to analyze DNA on the Y chromosome.
00:19:07
And that is what's passed down from
00:19:09
father to son, virtually unchanged. And
00:19:12
since last names are also typically
00:19:14
[music] passed down the paternal line,
00:19:15
Yprofiling testing can be used to
00:19:17
predict a person by their last name by
00:19:19
[music] comparing their Y profile to
00:19:21
entries already in DNA databases. But
00:19:24
you have to remember that there are
00:19:26
certain [music] limitations when it
00:19:27
comes to this kind of testing, things
00:19:30
that can break the pattern like
00:19:31
infidelity or genetic mutations
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>> or adoption
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>> or adoption. Right? That's actually one
00:19:36
of the most common. But listen, take
00:19:39
what you can get, right? and then we'll
00:19:40
figure out the next steps from there.
00:19:42
So, this again is like a first for
00:19:44
Carl'sbad PD. This is the first time
00:19:46
they're ever using this kind of
00:19:47
technology as well. And they do get a
00:19:51
last name after all the YSTR work.
00:19:54
Miracle, which of course is like a
00:19:58
detective right out of CSI Miami taking
00:20:00
off his sunglasses and like squinting
00:20:02
into the sun. You can like see it,
00:20:04
right?
00:20:04
>> Oh, yeah. For sure.
00:20:05
>> These detectives could not help
00:20:06
themselves. They begin saying it's going
00:20:09
to take a miracle to solve this one.
00:20:15
Detectives spend the coming year looking
00:20:18
for their miracle. But it turns out
00:20:21
there was no one they could find with
00:20:22
that last name who also fit the
00:20:24
composite sketch. So it was looking more
00:20:27
and more like one of those pattern
00:20:29
breakers happened in this family line.
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Infidelity, adoption, [music] something.
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But in the year or less that it's taken
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to feel pretty sure of this, guess what
00:20:38
happens? 2018 is upon us.
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>> Oh, and with all this science talk,
00:20:43
you're talking about the Golden State
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Killer.
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>> Golden State Killer gets caught using
00:20:48
the most current version of what we all
00:20:50
now know as [music] IGG, investigative
00:20:53
genetic genealogy.
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>> You know, Golden State dude left his DNA
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all over crime scenes, but he like this
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one wasn't in a database. So instead of
00:21:02
looking for the offender himself, GSK
00:21:04
investigators decided to look for
00:21:06
distant family members whose DNA might
00:21:08
be on file in public databases like Jed
00:21:11
Match and then create this extensive
00:21:13
[music] family tree that might connect
00:21:16
back to their suspect. Now when they
00:21:18
started down this path, it took them 4
00:21:20
months to catch a serial killer and
00:21:22
rapist who eluded them for decades. So
00:21:26
when Lieutenant Co sees this, this gets
00:21:29
his gears spinning. Forget turning. They
00:21:31
are like almost smoking, right? Like
00:21:34
here he is working on another case where
00:21:36
the offender's DNA is all over the crime
00:21:38
scene and a full profile is in Cotus,
00:21:41
but [music] they just keep striking out.
00:21:43
So Coanda starts doing his homework
00:21:45
trying to figure out if he could make
00:21:47
use of the same techniques. And it just
00:21:49
so happens that around the same [music]
00:21:51
time, this is May of 2018, the lab that
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did the initial phenotyping for Jod's
00:21:56
case, comes back to [music] Carl'sbad PD
00:21:58
and basically says like, "Hey, by the
00:22:01
way, we've still got your offender's DNA
00:22:02
on file [music] from that test that we
00:22:04
did last year. Do you want us to
00:22:06
evaluate it using IGG?"
00:22:08
>> Uh, yes, please.
00:22:09
>> Yes, please. Exactly. Like, you do not
00:22:12
have to ask twice.
00:22:13
>> Yeah. So they do this, they get the
00:22:15
blessing and just two months later, the
00:22:18
lab [music] reaches back out. Lieutenant
00:22:21
Co says he literally gets on a Zoom call
00:22:24
with them where they share their screen.
00:22:27
They're showing what he calls a hasty
00:22:29
family tree, which basically shows the
00:22:31
closest connections [music]
00:22:32
and the most recent common ancestors
00:22:34
associated with the DNA sample.
00:22:37
>> Now, it's not one name. There are a few
00:22:41
possibilities, but now it's up to
00:22:43
Carl'sbad PD to run each one of these
00:22:47
down.
00:22:48
>> Okay. And of these names, like are any
00:22:50
of them miracles like the YSTR
00:22:52
suggested?
00:22:53
>> Surprisingly, no. Lieutenant Co actually
00:22:55
said that the lab wasn't really focusing
00:22:57
on the miracle last name. And you know,
00:22:59
when they got a few of them back, they
00:23:01
there were some that they discounted
00:23:03
pretty quickly, [music] like um there
00:23:04
was one last name, Mabrio, that they
00:23:06
just kind of brushed aside for a couple
00:23:08
of reasons, like they they told the
00:23:09
detective, A, Maburo is of Italian
00:23:11
origin, and the offender's DNA [music]
00:23:13
suggested someone of Northern European
00:23:15
descent, and B, they're like, this guy
00:23:18
is dead. So,
00:23:19
>> dead before 2007?
00:23:21
>> No, he was alive in 2007.
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But this is why it is always good to gut
00:23:26
check yourself, not to get too tied up
00:23:28
in what you expect something to be.
00:23:31
Because basically, investigators get all
00:23:34
the way to the end of the list of all
00:23:35
these last names and people that the lab
00:23:37
really thought it could be, and they
00:23:40
still have nothing to show for it. But
00:23:42
Lieutenant Co is not willing to give up
00:23:44
[music] just yet. If you want to get
00:23:46
something solved, like the GSK case, why
00:23:49
not go to the exact person who helped
00:23:52
solve it? And that is Barbara Ray
00:23:55
Venter. Barbara isn't a cop. She's not a
00:23:58
detective. She's a retired 70-year-old
00:24:00
[music]
00:24:01
patent lawyer who just happens to be
00:24:03
really, really good at genealogy, which
00:24:05
she only discovered after retiring, by
00:24:08
the way, when she started mapping her
00:24:09
own heritage as a hobby. And that hobby
00:24:12
quickly turned into volunteering as a
00:24:14
search angel. [music] That's someone who
00:24:16
helps adopes find their biological
00:24:18
parents by creating family trees from
00:24:20
DNA. And when she got really good at
00:24:22
that, police department started calling.
00:24:25
So, Lieutenant Co gets a hold of
00:24:27
Barbara's number. And while he's in
00:24:29
Northern California [music] trying to
00:24:30
get some more reference DNA samples for
00:24:32
Jod's case, he calls her up and invites
00:24:34
her to breakfast with him and this other
00:24:37
investigator from the DA's office named
00:24:38
Tony [music] Johnson. She says, "Sure."
00:24:41
So, they go to breakfast together in
00:24:42
what Barbara describes as this total
00:24:44
hole in the wall. And they're eating
00:24:46
eggs and pancakes [music]
00:24:48
and talking about genealogy. And
00:24:50
Lieutenant Co says it's just like mind
00:24:53
confetti for him because all the labs
00:24:56
he'd spoken to before had basically just
00:24:59
told him how much he should pay them and
00:25:01
how long it would take. But here is
00:25:03
Barbara totally like pulling back the
00:25:06
curtain, explaining her entire process
00:25:08
and and does she agree to take on the
00:25:10
case?
00:25:11
>> Yes. Yes. After this meeting, Lieutenant
00:25:13
Co gives Barbara access to the
00:25:15
offender's DNA profile in Jed Match and
00:25:18
she goes to work.
00:25:19
>> So, is her process [music] different
00:25:21
than that original lab?
00:25:23
>> It's the same. She's just better at it
00:25:26
because interestingly, Barbara actually
00:25:29
comes [music] back to Go with a name
00:25:31
that was on the first lab's list.
00:25:33
>> Wait, Mabrio.
00:25:34
>> Mabrio. [music]
00:25:36
That's the one that the other lab had
00:25:37
totally discounted. But Barbara is
00:25:40
saying this, she believes is where
00:25:42
Carl's bad PD needs to spend their time
00:25:45
because this last name actually does
00:25:48
have a connection to, get this, the
00:25:51
miracle last name. What? Yeah. Cuz when
00:25:53
Barbara looks deep into the genealogy,
00:25:56
she sees a double adoption in the
00:25:59
Miracle family. So basically at some
00:26:02
point a man [music] with the last name
00:26:03
Miracle had a son named Robert who was
00:26:06
adopted and took on the Italian last
00:26:08
name.
00:26:10
Robert then has two sons of his own.
00:26:12
Steven who gets adopted and David who
00:26:15
carried on the Mabrio [music] last name.
00:26:17
>> So it could potentially be Steven or
00:26:20
David
00:26:20
>> or even their dad Robert. Co is going to
00:26:24
need DNA from all three to be sure. But
00:26:26
he is feeling so confident. In a matter
00:26:30
of like a year, he went from an endless
00:26:32
pool of suspects to three. Now, as it
00:26:35
turns out, both Steven and David were
00:26:38
deceased at this point. They both died
00:26:40
after Jod's murder, so that doesn't rule
00:26:42
them out, but it does make getting their
00:26:44
DNA slightly more challenging,
00:26:46
>> or at least [music] it might have. You
00:26:48
see, Steven passed away in an accident
00:26:50
in 2017, which meant that his DNA was
00:26:53
actually still on file [music] at the
00:26:55
medical examiner's office. So, they get
00:26:57
it, they run it, and it's not Steven. As
00:27:01
for the dad, Robert, he was totally
00:27:05
estranged from his sons and living in a
00:27:07
different area at the time [music] of
00:27:08
the murder. Plus, just looking at his
00:27:11
age and capability, like they didn't
00:27:13
think they were necessarily compatible
00:27:15
with the specific manner of the crime,
00:27:17
>> which really like if they're going to
00:27:19
look at anyone, their next person they
00:27:20
want to look at is David.
00:27:24
Now, they find out he passed away in
00:27:27
2011, and his DNA is nowhere to be
00:27:30
found, but he does have an ex-wife
00:27:34
[music] and an 18-year-old son that are
00:27:36
both still living right there in
00:27:38
Carl'sbad. So, Co gets this idea to have
00:27:42
the lab do a sort of paternity test
00:27:44
where they could use the ex-wife's DNA,
00:27:46
the son's DNA to basically reconstruct
00:27:49
David's. But obviously like he's going
00:27:51
to need permission for that.
00:27:53
>> And at this point, no one in the Mabrio
00:27:56
family even knows that police are like
00:27:58
going down this road.
00:27:59
>> Can you imagine like the police showing
00:28:01
up at your door and being like, "Hey, we
00:28:04
think your ex-husband did this
00:28:05
absolutely horrific thing 10 years ago
00:28:08
if you knew about it."
00:28:09
>> Every time there's an IG solve, yes, I
00:28:10
do imagine this specific thing. Exactly.
00:28:13
But they in at least in this case,
00:28:15
they're a little like more surreptitious
00:28:17
than that. So on the evening of October
00:28:19
26th, 2018, Lieutenant Co and Tony
00:28:23
Johnson, they show up at the home of
00:28:25
David's ex, Marissa Marrio.
00:28:28
It's actually Marissa and David's son
00:28:30
who answers the door. And we're going to
00:28:32
use a pseudonym for him and call him
00:28:33
Dan. So Dan answers the door. He goes to
00:28:36
get his mom who is out in the backyard
00:28:38
having an afterwork drink. And he says,
00:28:41
"There's some Carl'sbad detectives here
00:28:43
and they want to talk to you." And of
00:28:45
course, mom's first thought is like, "Oh
00:28:47
my god, what did my kid do?" You know
00:28:49
what I mean? But right away when she
00:28:51
goes inside and talks to the detectives,
00:28:53
they put that thought out of her mind.
00:28:54
First thing they say is, "Nobody's in
00:28:56
trouble. We're here to investigate
00:28:58
[music] a cold case." Now, Marissa's
00:29:00
totally confused, but she agrees to sit
00:29:02
down with them. [music]
00:29:03
And that's when they start explaining
00:29:05
the details of Jod's case. Now, because
00:29:08
Jod's story got so much coverage,
00:29:10
Marissa [music] sort of remembered
00:29:12
hearing about it. But in her mind at
00:29:14
this point, she's like asking the
00:29:16
question, right? Like, what does any of
00:29:17
this why are you here with me? Right?
00:29:20
And this is when Lieutenant Co starts
00:29:22
explaining all of the genetic genealogy
00:29:24
work that he's been doing.
00:29:26
>> But the way that they were explaining
00:29:28
it, I think it maybe seemed like they
00:29:30
were looking for either a cousin or an
00:29:33
uncle or a relative. Yeah. A relative of
00:29:36
David's dad, even not even David. So,
00:29:38
she's not thinking in this moment that
00:29:40
her ex-husband has anything to do with
00:29:42
this crime. And so, Marissa starts
00:29:44
giving investigators David's whole
00:29:46
family history. She says that his
00:29:48
heritage was actually somewhat
00:29:50
complicated,
00:29:51
>> which they obviously kind of know
00:29:53
already.
00:29:53
>> Yep. And she confirms the double
00:29:55
adoption stuff, the miracle last name.
00:29:58
She eventually tells them that David
00:29:59
took his own life unexpectedly [music]
00:30:01
in 2011. That's how he died. And when
00:30:04
she's done laying everything out,
00:30:05
they're like, "Okay, well, would you and
00:30:06
your son be willing to give your DNA to
00:30:10
rule you out of like this whole
00:30:12
situation?" And obviously both Marissa
00:30:14
and Dan are like, "Yeah, totally." But
00:30:15
investigators want to use this DNA to
00:30:17
confirm David's involvement.
00:30:19
>> Yeah. And it's not totally clear to me
00:30:21
if they're like trying to skirt around
00:30:23
the truth a little bit or if Marissa
00:30:25
doesn't totally understand the gravity
00:30:27
of why they're asking this. Because I I
00:30:30
do know that like when they first
00:30:31
brought up David's name during the
00:30:33
visit, Marissa got really upset and she
00:30:35
straight up says, "If you think David
00:30:37
did this, you need to get the f out of
00:30:39
my house. You're out of your mind." So
00:30:41
after that, investigators focused a lot
00:30:43
of their questions on like David's
00:30:45
family [music] and stuff kind of backed
00:30:46
off. But looking back, you can see why
00:30:49
they might have wanted to use any means
00:30:51
necessary to get her to talk. Because
00:30:54
every suspicion they had, every DNA clue
00:30:59
led them to the right David. And when
00:31:01
the results came back on Dan and
00:31:03
Marissa's DNA, the [music] lab says they
00:31:05
are confident David is their guy. David
00:31:09
murdered Jodine Sarin. But before Coanda
00:31:13
is going to tell this to Marissa, before
00:31:15
he even tells Jod's family, he wants to
00:31:18
be 110%
00:31:21
certain.
00:31:21
>> I mean, this information is going to
00:31:23
totally upend both families lives,
00:31:24
right? So, he wants to go back to
00:31:26
Marissa one more time. [music] And this
00:31:28
time around, his questions are a bit
00:31:30
different. They are more pointed. He
00:31:33
wants to know about Marissa's
00:31:35
relationship with David. He wants to
00:31:37
know about their sex life. and he's got
00:31:39
Jod's case file with him and he's taking
00:31:41
everything down in a notebook.
00:31:43
>> And Marissa in this second one, she's
00:31:44
starting to get really frustrated. She's
00:31:46
like, all of these questions are about
00:31:48
David and not his family. Like, do you
00:31:50
think he did this?
00:31:51
>> And the reality must be setting in
00:31:54
because she starts hyperventilating and
00:31:57
that's when she sees it. One of the
00:31:59
[music] images Coanda brought with him
00:32:01
from Jod's file is visible. It's from
00:32:04
the crime scene and it's not anything
00:32:07
graphic, but it makes her sick to her
00:32:09
stomach nonetheless because it's a photo
00:32:12
of the suspect's sneakers of David's
00:32:16
sneakers. And Marissa was sure of it
00:32:20
because she was the one who bought those
00:32:22
sneakers for him. Investigators
00:32:25
obviously noticed Marissa's reaction to
00:32:27
the [music] sneakers and so they asked
00:32:29
her, "Do these look familiar?"
00:32:33
And in that moment, she says, "No, it's
00:32:36
a lie." But I mean, she can barely
00:32:38
process what's going on. And her mind
00:32:39
just immediately goes to her son. She's
00:32:42
like, "How in the world am I going to
00:32:43
[music] tell this to Dan?" And so, she
00:32:46
really just says no to buy herself some
00:32:48
time. Like, she has a ton to digest.
00:32:50
[music]
00:32:50
And even though she's totally flustered,
00:32:52
she doesn't kick investigators out of
00:32:54
her house or anything. She continues
00:32:56
answering their questions about her and
00:32:58
David's life together, their separation,
00:33:00
[music]
00:33:00
and then David's untimely death in 2011.
00:33:04
And as she's telling them this story of
00:33:06
the days and events leading up to his
00:33:09
death, something clicks for both her and
00:33:12
police kind of at the same time. You
00:33:15
see, she had never known why David took
00:33:18
his own life. He didn't leave behind a
00:33:21
note, nothing.
00:33:23
I mean, his poor son is the one who
00:33:25
found him when he and his [music] mom
00:33:27
came back from a trip. David was
00:33:29
actually staying with them at the time,
00:33:30
sleeping on the couch, and Dan [music]
00:33:32
found his dad dead of an overdose that
00:33:34
ends up getting ruled a suicide.
00:33:37
They never knew why, but now she's
00:33:42
realizing maybe this was why because
00:33:46
Marissa tells investigators that a week
00:33:48
before David took his own life, there
00:33:50
was this incident that happened. He was
00:33:53
driving in Oceanside, which is just the
00:33:55
town over from Carlsbad, when his truck
00:33:57
broke down. [music] So, he's behind his
00:33:59
truck trying to push it when an officer
00:34:01
from Oceanside PD stopped him and said
00:34:04
that he matched the description of a
00:34:06
suspect that they had in an Oceanside
00:34:08
bank robbery. So, the officer [music]
00:34:10
asks him, "Would you be willing to give
00:34:13
your DNA?" And David consented to that.
00:34:17
Officer took an oral swab, got a photo
00:34:19
of David, let him go. And it's after
00:34:21
this that David began to spiral. Marissa
00:34:25
says, I mean, he spent the next week
00:34:28
freaking out, acting super strange. And
00:34:30
I don't mean just like general anxiety.
00:34:33
He was losing it. At one point, he was
00:34:35
like even rubbing spices all over his
00:34:38
face. What? Yeah. And at the time, he
00:34:40
tried to say it was like helping him
00:34:42
with headaches or like fine lines or
00:34:44
something. But even then, Marissa knew
00:34:47
that something was off. Like this isn't
00:34:48
normal behavior for him or for anyone,
00:34:50
>> but at the time she's not connecting it
00:34:52
to anything.
00:34:53
>> No, I mean like she knew about the stop
00:34:55
and the DNA swab and like she knew that
00:34:56
that happened, but I guess she really
00:34:59
didn't think anything of it at the time.
00:35:00
I mean, it's not like she's thinking
00:35:01
David's DNA is going to connect him to
00:35:03
the brutal murder.
00:35:04
>> Yeah.
00:35:05
>> From a couple of years before. And she
00:35:08
didn't even make the connection after
00:35:09
[music] his death. Because by the way,
00:35:11
the whole bank robbery thing, that
00:35:13
really had nothing to do with David.
00:35:16
And because of that, guess what? They
00:35:20
never had to run David's swab or put it
00:35:23
into Cotus, which is probably the very
00:35:25
thing David feared so much that it drove
00:35:27
him to suicide. So, it's not till now
00:35:32
sitting with Lieutenant Kanda in her
00:35:35
house, seeing the photo of David
00:35:36
Sneakers at the crime scene that Marissa
00:35:39
is starting to put the pieces together.
00:35:42
And so is Lieutenant Kanda. But his mind
00:35:45
is spinning [music] for a different
00:35:46
reason. Because if Oceanside PD still
00:35:50
has David's DNA from that 2011 swab, he
00:35:54
might be able to do a direct comparison
00:35:56
with the DNA found at Jod's crime scene.
00:36:00
And sure enough, by some miracle is the
00:36:04
magic word for this episode. Oceanside
00:36:06
PD has it.
00:36:07
>> Oh my god.
00:36:08
>> So on November 7th, Coz sends the sample
00:36:11
to the lab to be tested for the first
00:36:13
time since it was taken 7 years ago.
00:36:16
It takes 2 days for the results to come
00:36:18
back and when they do it is a match
00:36:21
which means that now Kov is 110% sure.
00:36:26
He can finally tell the Sarens that
00:36:28
after 11 years the wait is over and they
00:36:31
were so close to losing hope. But
00:36:34
finally they know who that man was in
00:36:37
Jod's room that Valentine's Day back in
00:36:39
2007.
00:36:41
Now, detectives can't give [music] them
00:36:43
every answer, like where Jod might have
00:36:45
come into contact with this guy or why
00:36:48
he even attacked her.
00:36:49
>> Well, that was going to be my next
00:36:50
question. Did David have any connection
00:36:52
to her? There was nothing.
00:36:54
>> None that they can find. Like so many of
00:36:57
the IGG solves that we've seen over the
00:36:58
years. His name never so much as came up
00:37:01
in the case file from even a random tip.
00:37:04
Like, this guy was not on their radar at
00:37:07
all. Now, they did find out that in the
00:37:10
past he'd abused drugs. Marissa thought
00:37:12
he'd been clean and sober like her for
00:37:14
years when they were raising their son
00:37:16
together and even after they split up.
00:37:18
She was like letting him stay at her
00:37:20
place on her couch.
00:37:21
>> But it's very possible he was using
00:37:23
again. Also, I think about that
00:37:25
substance abuse clinic that was [music]
00:37:26
next to the place that Jod volunteered.
00:37:28
So, like
00:37:29
>> had he been there?
00:37:30
>> So, this is the thing, right? So, this
00:37:31
is how it all got teed up. I don't know
00:37:34
if we know he used or used to use drugs.
00:37:37
We know this clinic was there. So, I was
00:37:39
going to say this could be somewhere
00:37:40
that they would have met. And I don't
00:37:43
know because it never really got run
00:37:45
[music] down. And like we see this all
00:37:47
the time. That kind of stuff like making
00:37:50
those connections is [music] all stuff
00:37:51
that you learn when you're like building
00:37:53
a case against someone
00:37:54
>> like for trial.
00:37:55
>> Yeah. But I'm seeing this all the time
00:37:57
with these IGG cases when you work
00:37:59
backwards and especially when the person
00:38:02
is deceased. Like you don't have to go
00:38:03
back and figure out the like where and
00:38:07
whatever to like
00:38:08
>> all the little details to build the full
00:38:10
puzzle out. You kind of have the picture
00:38:12
at the beginning.
00:38:13
>> Yeah. And so investigators just don't.
00:38:16
>> And listen, on one hand, I get it.
00:38:18
[music] Like there's a hundred other
00:38:20
unsolved cases like Jod's that they need
00:38:22
to focus on. They don't need to be
00:38:24
creating work for themselves. But it
00:38:26
still kills me because we talked about
00:38:30
this at the top. We know how devious
00:38:32
this crime [music] was. Was this really
00:38:34
a one-off?
00:38:35
>> Yeah.
00:38:36
>> What if he did commit other crimes?
00:38:39
>> Yeah. I mean, we know his DNA in the
00:38:41
database hasn't matched anything [music]
00:38:42
else. But like we said, the MMO, what if
00:38:44
he would have cleaned up? What if
00:38:45
there's nothing left? What if by
00:38:47
tracking him we can figure out where
00:38:48
they met and then that shows an emmo to
00:38:50
like other missing people or something
00:38:52
like
00:38:52
>> again I have a zillion questions after a
00:38:56
case [music] like this especially
00:38:58
>> like who was this guy? How did he have a
00:39:01
wife and a kid and just live a normal
00:39:04
life? Did he actually live a normal life
00:39:06
or were there red flags?
00:39:08
>> Could anyone have seen this coming? And
00:39:11
normally these are questions that you
00:39:14
and I spiral on and we get left with and
00:39:16
then we have to move on to the next
00:39:18
case. But not this time. Because this
00:39:21
time our reporter Nicole Kagan traveled
00:39:24
out to California and met with the one
00:39:27
[music] person who had all the answers
00:39:29
that I'm looking for. The one person who
00:39:32
could give us insight into who David
00:39:34
Mcabrio was in 2007.
00:39:37
Can you [music] say and spell your name
00:39:40
for us?
00:39:41
>> Marissa. M A R I S A M A B R I T O. He
00:39:47
was my family. He's my son's dad. Gave
00:39:50
me the best thing in the world. [snorts]
00:39:52
Um, and did the most horrific thing to
00:39:56
somebody in the world. I don't know how
00:39:59
to reconcile those two.
00:40:02
>> But Marissa has tried. She's gone back
00:40:04
over every moment since meeting David on
00:40:07
the beach in 1995. And she's had to
00:40:10
rewire her brain to understand how he
00:40:13
could have been capable of such a
00:40:15
vicious crime all along. And yes, there
00:40:18
were potentially signs, but how do you
00:40:21
know what to look for if no one talks
00:40:24
about it? In the interview, there was a
00:40:26
moment where Nicole, our reporter, is
00:40:28
like, "Are you sure you're good with all
00:40:30
of this being on the record?"
00:40:32
And Marissa's like, "Yes, this is my
00:40:34
truth, and this is David's truth as I
00:40:36
know it." And you guys, this is a side
00:40:38
of the story we almost never get to tell
00:40:40
you, [music] and I didn't want to cut it
00:40:42
short by trying to squeeze it all into
00:40:44
one episode. More importantly, I wanted
00:40:46
you to hear it directly from Marissa in
00:40:49
her own words. So, because Jodine Sarin
00:40:53
is the seven of diamonds on a cold case
00:40:55
playing card deck before her case got
00:40:57
solved, we dedicated a full episode of
00:41:00
the deck to Marissa's attempt at solving
00:41:03
her own mystery. How could this man she
00:41:06
loved and trusted have committed this
00:41:09
unthinkable crime? That episode of The
00:41:12
Deck, which is the other weekly true
00:41:14
crime show that I host, if you didn't
00:41:16
know, you know. It's available right
00:41:18
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00:41:20
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00:41:28
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