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one of North Carolina's most infamous cases The Disappearance of Asia degree was the latest to
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break the thing I want to know is like where did this come from did you have it all along and why wouldn't you have
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released it sooner but now in 2025 that green car is more important than [Music]
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ever hi crime dunkies I'm your host Ashley flowers and if you are watching this episode on YouTube you might notice
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I have a special guest with me today uh this has been a wild couple of weeks when it comes to updates in cold cases
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and one of North Carolina's most infamous cases The Disappearance of Asia degree was the latest to break and when
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I hear cold cases in North Carolina there is one name that comes to mind hi everybody dilia de here host of
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counterclock and park predators and proud North Carolina resident for most of my life thank God we have a resident
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expert on call for all things North Carolina so let's not waste a single moment we have a lot to get
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[Music] into all right it all starts on Valentine's Day morning in 2000 Asia degree is 9 years old and she's living
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with her mom and dad iila and Harold and her 10-year-old brother O'Brien the family's apartment is in Shelby North
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Carolina which is about an hour directly west of Charlotte if I've got that right
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jilia yeah okay so the degrees go to church on Sunday February 13th they have lunch at one of Asia's aunt's houses
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which is just down the street from their place and then they turn in for the day
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at around like 8:30 p.m. Harold goes to work at a second job that he has and iila spent the evening with O'Brien and
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Asia now normally iila would give her kids a bath that night but there had been some kind of car accident or like
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crash near their home that had kind of I guess knocked out their p so their normal routine is basically just like
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out the window for that night and so because of that iila had planned to just like do it all the next morning which
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would be Monday February 14th which is of course Valentine's Day so overnight between the 13th and 14th sometime
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between 12:30 and 2:30 Harold gets home from his second job and before he goes to bed he checks on his kids ASA and her
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brother actually share rooms so he was able to peek in and lay eyes on both of them at the same time by 5:45 in the
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morning iila is up for the day and she goes to start the kids bath like she planned do the whole morning routine
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thing so they can get out the door for school by 6:30 but when she enters O'Brien in
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asa's room she only sees O'Brien asleep under his covers asa's just gone so the family searches all over their house
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they search in the cars they have like talking to family members who live nearby and they're getting frantic as
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more and more time goes by and they can't find Asia after doing all of that that so they decide at around 6:30 a.m.
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like okay now it's time to call the police the Cleveland County Sheriff's Office responds to that call by 6:40 in
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the morning and right away they're using scent dogs and sending out more deputies
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to look for Asia by 7 a.m. the degrees friends and neighbors are all awake and they learn what's going on and initially
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investigators look for signs of forc Entry at the family's house you know like anything that might indicate an
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intruder came in but there's just none of that in fact based on what Harold told the dispatcher which was that some
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of Asia's things like her backpack and pocketbook and like shoes and stuff were missing they're also considering whether
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there's a possibility she could have just walked away on her own but for some reason and a reason no one could really
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explain her stuff is gone oh and I might have forgotten to mention this but all of the doors to the degree's house were
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reported to have been locked when everyone woke up and interestingly ASA did have her own spare key in her book
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bad so I think maybe that kind of also made people assume that she might have left on her own and then took her stuff
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used her key to lock up otherwise why was everything like locked up like that right yeah I remember the key thing and
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I don't think anyone disputes that she physically left on her own but I think the big question is why and I know there
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was some coverage that said she'd fou out of a basketball game the Saturday night before she vanished but like like
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that's hardly a reason to just like take off I mean I know that you're 9 years old but no I you know yeah I think
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that's always been been a bit of a stretch like of an assumption at least in my mind and it's never been
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definitively stated as the reason she left to your point she had a good home life as far as we know so I think that
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people were just like looking for anything and that's like the biggest wrong thing in the world of a
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9-year-old anyway fast forward a little bit and the next big thing that comes up
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to investigators is that a motorist was apparently driving along Highway 18 which is this two-lane road near the
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family's house and this motorist tells authorities that they saw a young girl who matches Asia's description walking
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along that roadway sometime between 3:30 in the morning and 4:00 in the morning now where she is seen is like a mile
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from her front door and she's headed into the town of Shelby but at the time it was like raining and storming which I
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think is important and other than the fact that this motorist saw her it doesn't seem like they were able to
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gather anything else and potentially because of the rain and the storm the only really big detail is that when ASA
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is reported by this person she is not in her night gown that she'd been wearing when her mom put her to bed the night
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before now she's actually said to have been wearing this long sleeve white shirt and pants so she's like dressed in
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her normal like day clothes now there's another sighting of her by a truck driver who said that he made a u-turn to
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try and see if she needed help but for some reason when he got closer to her and asked her if she was okay she just
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like ran off into the tree line and that was was the last reported sighting of Asia ever that we knew about at the time
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but then don't like 2 Days Later the cops find some of her stuff right yeah so that happens on the 17th authorities
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who are still searching for her by the way like high and low they end up at this rural property off of Highway 18
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and they end up talking to this lady there who tells them that on February 15th so that would have been the day
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after Asia vanished this woman found a random Mickey Mouse hair bow a green marker and a pencil inside of a shed and
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the items were just kind of like tossed right on the ground near the doorway of this shed and when law enforcement which
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at this point by the way includes the FBI the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation when they come in and they
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do their own search of this shed they find a bunch of candy wrappers that match some of the candy that Asia had
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gotten for Valentine's Day weekend before she vanished but this doesn't lead them to Asia and they don't get
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another Le for more than a year after that it's not until early August of 2001 that a contractor digging an access road
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for a new house about 50 yards away from Highway 18 near this place called Burke
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County which is more than 25 miles from the degree's home this guy finds a black
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trash bag buried in the land that he's working at Buried buried and then when he takes that out inside that black
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trash bag is another black trash bag and then inside of that bag is a kid's book
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bag with asa's name and phone number written on it and I don't know if I'm remembering this correctly you might
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know deia but I at the time feel like I remember me and B talking about how he like sees this buried thing again in
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trash bag and trash and he doesn't do anything he ends up like telling his partner or wife or whoever at home yeah
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like so his partner at the time was like wait a minute that's a big red flag like
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you need to call the sheriff's office cuz they knew about asa's case and they knew like what was going on there was
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this little girl missing even if there wasn't like a little girl missing like a kid's book bag buried in a bag in a bag
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like yeah very strange why does it take the wife to like make a call but that's again we said that day one in the story
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for another day So eventually the sheriff's office gets a gets their hands on this evidence they do call the police
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and they do search the property themselves but they actually don't find much of anything else related to the
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case but when they look inside the book bag that has asa's name on it they find a Dr Seuss book from her Elementary
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School library and a New Kids on the Block concert T-shirt but the thing is they don't really say much about those
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items at the time they don't say if they were hers in fact if I remember correctly I don't even think they tell
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people right away no what was in it I think that comes out like to the public years later it does but they did send
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the book bag and its contents off to the FBI's lab for forensic analysis and by 2003 some kind of results had come back
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but the Sheriff's Office didn't release those publicly and clearly whatever it was that they got wasn't enough to solve
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this case because it just languishes after that for another year and another and then the 10e anniversary comes and
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goes then the 15th there's even a large reward that they end up offering but there are just no new leads yeah and I
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think the reward actually got up to like $45,000 but like nothing and it really isn't until 2016 because that's when the
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whole like the green car thing comes out right green car yes this becomes super important so in May of 2016 the FBI
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released that they believed a girl matching Asia's description got into a dark green vehicle and I see like in
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later reporting like pulled in or or like more more of a forcible action placed in by someone yeah they say that
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that was seen on the morning she vanished and actually they specifically say that the car could be either an
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early' 70s Lincoln Mark for or a Ford Thunderbird with like rust around the wheel wells very distinct very distinct
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so we actually have photos of each car and as you can see they're super similar yeah they're both I would say kind of I
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would describe them as like a two-door boatlike sedan and they do look very similar yeah right so it's the FBI's
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information about the car sighting that really grabs everyone's attention because it comes so long after Asia
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disappeared again there was like nothing in all those years it's almost like the
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thing I want to know is like where did this come from did you have it all along and why wouldn't you have released it
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sooner or if someone knew is coming forward why wasn't that part of the story yeah it's clearly something the
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Sheriff's Office and the FBI discovered at some point in their investigation right like something LED them to blast
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that out to the community about this car and the sighting and everything right and though that happened in 2016 like we
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didn't know why or what it meant or if it led to anything but now in 2025 that green car is more important than
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ever okay so after they released the car information like I said radio silent 4 years just nothing and then in early
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September 2024 Everything Changes literally five months ago so news agencies in North
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Carolina and I I'm really tied in with a lot of journalists still in North Carolina and they have been following
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asa's case they notice that the Cleveland County Sheriff's Office the FBI the ncsbi have like descended on
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some properties and they are up to something in Shelby there's a noticeable flurry of activity on these properties
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in Cleveland County and also in a nearby County called Lincoln County and one of
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the biggest things that emerges is that an older model green vehicle is seen being towed from one of those locations
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and I actually dug up a clip from WBTV of this car so I want everyone to take a look and Ashley you can see it
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too oh yeah this looks super similar to those other two green cards that the FBI
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released back in 2016 which it makes total sense because like everything like according to the search warrants
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everything that the law enforcement agencies were up to in September like this has to 100% be connected to Asia's
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case so if you would like I had to go get the it was so funny that I also have to behind the scenes here I tked you I
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was like you got to get these search warrants and you're like they you have to be like in the court system or they
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mail them to you and I was like girl you got to have a friend you're like oh yeah
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I'll just oh I have friends phone a friend I have friends for sure so what you find so according to the warrants
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authorities visited and searched structures in land on a few properties in close proximity to one another in
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Cleveland County like so they were on like similar Parcels or whatever they also went to a property in mecklinburg
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County which is closer to Charlotte so more in the Charlotte area all of the properties in Cleveland County were
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owned by a couple named Roy and Connie Deadman Roy and Connie have three daughters Lizzie Sarah and Anna Lee the
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daughters are all adults now but back in February 2000 when Asia disappeared they
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were teenagers so Lizzie's the oldest she was 16 Sarah was 15 and anal Le was 13 and the property in Charlotte that
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was searched in 2024 was actually associated with the youngest Anna Le and the warrant state that investigators
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were looking for like physical evidence specifically related to as disappearance
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and this included a lot of things like photos kids clothing um They seized the Deadman's electronic devices like
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notebooks business records their cell phones some of the daughters like personal journals a rifle and they were
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also allowed to take any and all records for a man named Russell Bradley Underhill who was a tenant at one of the
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family's homes in 2000 so the reason that any of these folks came on investigators radar in 2024 was because
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they found with modern DNA testing the presid of Russell's DNA and a hair that was an identical genetic match to the
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Deadman's youngest daughter Anna Lee and that was on Asia's shirt and from the trash bag that her book bag was found in
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so that's probably all the stuff that they found in 2016 that they like we sent off to FBI we found something
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couldn't do anything with it probably right and I looked at these two and it seems like the deadmond had zero
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connection to asa's family right like as far as nobody they did not know one another they didn't go to the same
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church or that kind of thing so the important thing being like there would be no reason for their daughter's DNA or
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hair or their tenants DNA to be anywhere near on her stuff unless they had some kind of interaction with her yeah
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exactly and at least according to the search warrants we have that's like the case right like so what's super
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interesting is that in February 2000 Roy and Connie's friend this like russle Underhill guy he was having health
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issues and being cared for by a place called called Cleveland healthc care and as a part of his care which like Roy was
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in charge of because like he and his wife actually like owned another facility called Northbrook rest home
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like Roy would sometimes send his eldest daughter Lizzy to transport patients like from that facility to like an area
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hospital called Bron hospital so which is so weird to me because we don't again we don't have any context for how they
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know him and they do seem like very intricately tied into his his healthc care she's a tenant is like emergency
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contact like they're like clearly very close they're they're helping this man with his health Els so now in 2000 the
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Deadman's house was about 6 minutes away from where Asia was last seen walking on
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Highway 18 by those Witnesses and that road is what investigators say is like the most logical route for Lizzy Roy's
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oldest daughter to have taken if she was making like one of those Hospital runs for her dad okay and the search warrant
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also clarified that the vehicle she used for those trips was quote unreliable end
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quote so what's like what's the implication there it being unreliable so I I think it's just saying like it's an
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older car right like like it's not a brand new car um in car right yeah so the search warrant go on to explain that
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Roy deadmond has 29 different Vehicles like registered in his name and three of those are green now when authorities
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interviewed Sarah the middle daughter in September 2024 she told them that back when she was a teenager she drove a dark
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green AMC Rambler that her dad had given to her in 1999 and the search warrants actually include a photo of that exact
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car which everyone can see it's it's a black and white photo so it's hard to kind of tell there's like no color and
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it's actually pretty similar looking to the two car images that the FBI released
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in 2016 you know the Lincoln and the Thunderbird or whatever that they believe Asia was seen being put into or
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pulled into and if you look kind of closely it even has like some front end damage that's pretty noticeable just saw
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that and I I think it's like important to go into this car in a little bit more detail like just for a second so this is
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a 1964 AMC Rambler so pretty old like which is what we keep coming back to and according to the search warrants it was
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registered to Roy at an address that was searched by investigators now when it is
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seized by law enforcement it is parked next to a house that Roy is renting to a tenant at the time and this was the part
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that I thought was so weird I don't know that's connected to the car but more just like broader strangeness of
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whatever was going on in this property that they got the car from so the home used to be occupied by his daughter
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Sarah Sarah's the middle daughter but she had since moved and the guy who lives there tells investigators that in
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the 5 years or so that he has been renting from Roy he says there are these three rooms in the house that are all
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padlocked and he's been told not to go in them which like what yeah I would be like now I want to go in them more than
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anything now that I'm renting from you but did you also like did you see that part about the hole yes yeah tell them
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about the whole so around the same time that authorities like also like speaking
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like with this tenant or whatever they speak with a woman named Laura deadmond who I think is related to Roy I mean
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obviously they have the same last name but and she tells them that several years before this she saw Roy digging a
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hole at that property that was like not just like a small hole like for like a fence post or something like this hole
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was chest deep and that this is after what year after 2000 no this is after like 2016 this is like very like fairly
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recently up until 2024 so like just a couple years before 2024 oh W okay so you guys are caught up in the car that
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happens in September 2024 so there was a flurry of information at the end of 2024
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asa's case was you guys were dming us about it we were like kind of holding to do an update cuz we thought something
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bigger was going to happen it took a minute we weren't wrong so that search wraps up and authorities obviously have
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the Rambler in their possession they also have fresh samples of Roy Connie and Anna's DNA it's also at this point
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that investigators come right out and say that they no longer think Asia is just a missing person they now actually
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believe that she was a victim of a homicide and that her body has been concealed this whole time but nowhere on
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any of the Deadman's properties did investigators find a body or human remains nothing skeletal like all these
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searches took place over the course of two days and nothing definitively connected to Asia like there were as far
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as I know no more clothing or personal belongings nothing surfest yeah and I think like right after this an attorney
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representing Roy and his family he like makes some public statements about how like that's a really important point you
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know he's like hey this family has been named as suspects but they they deny any
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and all involvement in what happened to he should agree right according to coverage by WBTV the family's attorney
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this guy named David Teddy he holds this press conference and he asked the community not to spread rumors not to
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jump to any conclusions about Roy or Connie or their daughters he states that the denmon family denies any involvement
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in the case and also kind of eludes to Russell Underhill perhaps being the link between the deadmans their properties
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and whatever happened to Asia which is like awfully convenient because according to the search warrants and
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additional news coverage Russell died long ago all the way back in 2004 so it's not like he's around anymore to say
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anything or defend himself right like it's kind of one of those things like are we really going to blame like the
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dead guy who died just a couple years after she disappeared who like can no longer be questioned or investigated
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yeah the same guy by the way who the deadmans were clearly like very involved with in seemingly like his Healthcare he
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was in a healthcare facility and they're transporting him and I mean I know why this attorney said what he did to
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reporters but it still feels like I don't know just like a little too convenient for me still anyway where
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things get even more interesting so this is why we're doing this now on February
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13th of this year that's when the Cleveland County Sheriff's Office executes three more search warrants for
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the deadmond family specifically to investigate them for felony obstruction of justice and it is these documents
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that I was like you know the 2024 search warrants were great but like these were
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the ones we had to get our hands on if we were going to do this update episode because what these warrants reveal are
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emails text messages cloud data and phone calls between Roy his daughters and one of their ex-husbands and some of
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these communications are head turning to say the very least yeah I think that's like
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just one way of describing it and so like looking through the warrants cuz I like went through all of them Page by
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Page and they are specifically for the contents of Three Apple iPhones one that belongs to Lizzy another that belongs to
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Roy and another that belongs to Sarah right and just to remind so for our listeners Lizzie is Roy's oldest
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daughter Sarah is the middle anal would have been the youngest mhm so according to the search warrants when authorities
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executed those searches in September at the family members homes and properties Lizzie spent a lot of time on her phone
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while all of that was going on her sisters Sarah and Anna Lee called her then Roy called her and then Lizzie
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called Roy and so the search warrants contain pages and pages of texts vilia you pulled some of the messages that
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seemed to really stand out to investigators like I think we need to kind of go through these because this is
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like yeah I think the Crux of everything yeah I did and so like there's a couple
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exchanges but there is a text exchange between Anna Lee and Lizzy on September 10th 2024 where Anna Lee says I so sorry
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I just said all that I am just in complete shock and then later that same day Sarah texted Lizzy they think it's
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our shirt it's not her shirt her mom said it wasn't hers I don't remember that shirt I'm scared though dad is
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probably going to be a huge suspect and I assume they mean that band t-shirt that they found in her backpack they say
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that's what I have to assume they're referring to um because that's all we kind of know at this point so so the
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next day September 11th 2024 Lizzy's ex-husband texted her that he was sorry like her family was going through the
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situation and then a few hours after that Anna Lee texted Lizzy youngest texting oldest yeah Lizzy you don't need
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to be talking to anyone I'm at the lawyer's office now they advise we should all not talk to them without
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representation now Lizzie then texted her ex-husband this is going to get nothing
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but worse I'm talking to my doctor at 5: to get something for my nerves I'm just
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so worried so so worried I mean it's a nightmare that's going to keep getting worse I can see nothing good happening
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anytime soon and I'm an optimist this they're so weird and it's why like when you read texts like you
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know I think we should all keep the caveat of like yes they are texts they're just words on a page but at the
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same time like it is like it's clear what they're talking about yeah it's clear what they're talking about yeah so
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it's the next few messages that I think are the most interesting so this comes the day after the ones you just read and
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this is from Sarah the middle daughter to Lizzy the oldest Sarah says I just talked to David Teddy who is the family
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lawyer I just talked to David Teddy the theory is I did it accident covered it up and Lizzie later texts her
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ex-husband again and says I feel so horrible so so horrible I don't know what to do I caused this yeah like on
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their face these messages they don't sound or look great yeah and keep in mind like between a lot
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of these texts there are phone calls back and forth between Sarah Lizzy lizz's ex-husband Anna Lee Roy like
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they're all playing phone tag and after all of this it seems like everyone clams
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up and they aren't talking to investigators anymore so after September 28th there's another string of messages
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between Sarah and Lizzy and it starts with Lizzie saying I'm just so anxious about like what's going on behind the
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scenes like what are they doing now what's going to happen to me since I wouldn't talk to them to which Sarah
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replies I know girl I am a disaster I think if they come at you again you just go and be compliant that's what I'm
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planning on doing and then Lizzie writes back I think so too honestly I mean I want to do what Dad says but damn to
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which Sarah replies with and maybe we should have let you do what you originally wanted to
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do but we don't know what that is now on February 10th authorities asked Lizzy to
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take a polygraph which she does but according to what investigators put in their search warrant the results of that
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test show signs of deception that same day investigators also visit Sarah and ask her for another interview but this
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time she declines so at this point it's really Roy Sarah and Lizzy that law enforcement Fields pretty sure have
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obstructed or at least at a minimum interfered with the investigation into asa's disappearance and likely death
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like reading between the lines a little based off of some of the FBI and other law enforcement officials like previous
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statements to me it's feeling more and more like maybe what happened to to Asia was some sort of accident maybe it was a
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hit and run but it seems like then they're thinking it was allegedly covered up by Roy or Connie possibly
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also the daughters question mark yeah like that's what I was going to say too it definitely feels like to me that
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maybe something tragic happened back in 2000 but then like everything that's gone on since then is just very
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suspicious I know and the thing I don't know I wish I knew more about that Cy that that someone has of like her going
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into the green car was she going fighting was she conscious did it seem like she was unconscious do they know
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and I also wonder this theory of an accident doesn't explain why she was on that road to begin with which I cannot
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get over yeah I think it's like that question of again why did she leave her house if she left willingly like w like
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was she lured like I don't know there's so many questions about her exiting her home like her safe place right and going
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on this road the only thing that comes to mind for me is that we know Highway 18 was going towards Shelby it was in
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the direction of her school um she took the bus on that that's that road yeah like she had her book bag the book
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that's in her bag the Dr Seuss book is actually a library book from her school so you know that's in the bag it's like
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is she is she going just like her on her own little like Adventure to have her own time and then is going to be back
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before they have to go to school like there's just so many question marks around that for sure yeah I don't I
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haven't seen anything put forward that she was like meeting up with someone or again we've got no connection between
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her and this family so if if they're involved in some way an accident seems to be what like police are posing or at
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least in the text messages what they think police are posing based on what their lawyer is saying and I think
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that's why too they are trying so hard to connect the the routes between these family's homes the healthcare facilities
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like that's a really really critical thing for law enforcement is figuring out like could they have been on that
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road when why all those sorts of things did an accident happen yeah and the other big bombshell from these search
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warrants it wasn't just the text messages there is someone who has a story that kind of
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corroborates like this idea that it could be an accident and that these sisters were involved so this testimony
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is from a local guy named Thad melanine who authorities interviewed on September
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18th of 2024 and it's only in the most recent search warrants that that we were made aware of this interview so we
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didn't have them in the September ones we just got them in February but according to the documents that tells
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the sheriff's office that in the mid 2000s he was in his 20s at the time and hung out with
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the Deadman sisters at bars and like House parties like on a pretty regular basis and at one particular house party
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after Asia degree vanished he saw Lizzy the oldest sobbing like balling her eyes
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out while seemingly pretty drunk and she's crying and he hears her make several statements admitting to killing
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Asia but when Sarah her sister overhears her sister say this she immediately like
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grabs lizz's head and tells her to quote shut the up now that reaction from Sarah
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kind of caught that offu guard because he always knew Sarah to be very calm a very nice
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person so this story is wild I don't know why we're learning the story like where was Thad in 2000 and to make sure
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he wasn't lying investigators had him take a polygraph and he passed with flying colors no I know though
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actually on polygraph test but like to me though it seems like somewhat notable that they were like let's double down on
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this let's like make sure he you know passes this test to make sure he's not just like making this up and like trying
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to draw attention to himself totally I don't think the a polygraph is the end all be all but like if the dude's not
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lying the story he told is worth looking into and with everything else we're finding like it's making a lot of sense
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agreed yeah so as of this recording no formal arrests have been made in the case and no human remains have been
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found but like I feel like I've said this many times before this case seems to just keep evolving every day new
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updates and maybe even possible arrests could come literally any second now even
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by the time this episode gets out and that is a good thing because Asia's family has waited 25 agonizing years to
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learn what really happened to her earlier this month um they told WBTV and reporter Ken lemon that like they're
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always going to hold on to hope that like their baby girl will come home to them one day and asa's mom iquila told
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the News Agency quote I believe she is still alive and until somebody can prove me wrong I'm still going to believe that
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because I have hope end quote so if you have any information about The Disappearance of Asia degree or the
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individuals we've discussed in this episode please please call the Cleveland County Sheriff's Office at 704
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