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A young family experiences an unthinkable tragedy

April 15, 2023 / 01:29:44

This episode covers the tragic case of Deidre Kennedy, a 17-month-old girl who was abducted and murdered in Ipswich, Queensland, in 1973. It discusses the investigation into her death, the subsequent trial of Raymond Carroll, and the impact on the Kennedy family.

The episode begins with a detailed account of the events leading up to Deidre's disappearance on April 13, 1973. Faye Kennedy and her daughters had just returned from a long trip, and after settling in for the night, Deidre was found missing the next morning. The search led to the discovery of her body in Limestone Park, which shocked the community.

Investigators explored various leads, including a neighbor's sighting of a suspicious figure. The episode highlights the challenges faced by police in gathering evidence, including the lack of modern forensic technology at the time. The investigation eventually focused on Raymond Carroll, whose unusual dental records matched bite marks found on Deidre's body.

Despite being convicted in 1985, Carroll's conviction was overturned due to legal technicalities, leading to public outrage. The episode discusses the impact of double jeopardy laws and the efforts of Faye Kennedy to advocate for legal reform.

In the latter part of the episode, the narrative shifts to the ongoing quest for justice, including the introduction of new forensic techniques and the eventual changes to Queensland's double jeopardy laws, named Deidre's Law, allowing for retrials in cases with compelling new evidence.

TL;DR

The episode recounts the abduction and murder of Deidre Kennedy, the investigation, and the legal battles surrounding her case.

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Friday April 13 1973 was an exhausting
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day for the Kennedy family
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24 year old Faye and her two young
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daughters five-year-old Stephanie and 17
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month old Deidre had just returned home
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to the small Queensland city of Ipswich
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after a six-week trip of visiting
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relatives further up north
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it had required a 17-hour bus ride home
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and none of them had gotten much sleep
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Faye's husband Barry was recovering from
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knee surgery and the effort of hobbling
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around on crutches left him drained of
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energy
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they took it slow that day
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Stephanie and Deidre were often
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excitable around bedtime but as Knight
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approached they got ready for bed
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without protest
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Faye prepared deidre's favorite meal
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tomato soup with a side of asparagus
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Spears
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after giving the girls a bath Faye put
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Deidre into a fresh nappy with a
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waterproof cover on top known as a
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Pilcher
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she then dressed her in a singlet and a
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new pair of pink pajamas adorned with
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bunny motifs
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Deidre was excited about her new pajamas
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and showed them off proudly to her
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father
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the Kennedys lived in a two-bedroom
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single-story unit
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Stephanie and Deidre shared a small
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bedroom at the end of the hallway
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adjacent to their parents
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the two girls were Incredibly Close
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Stephanie doted on her baby sister whom
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she affectionately called a DD
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at 7 30 PM Faye placed a sleepy Deirdre
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in her car near the bedroom door
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an hour later she tucked Stephanie into
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her bed below the open window
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Faye and Barry spent some time together
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before retiring to bed at around 10
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o'clock
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Faye checked in on her daughters one
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last time
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both girls were sleeping soundly
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Faye pulled the aluminum sliding window
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and curtain Shut before tenderly tucking
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the girls in and leaving the room
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she fell asleep easily worn out from the
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long day
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the following morning Faye was awoken
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Suddenly by Stephanie shaking her
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shoulder
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the five-year-old looked concerned
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wake up she said
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DD's not in her bed
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Faye Kennedy loved nothing more than
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being a mother
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she cared for her two daughters full
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time while Barry supported the family by
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working as an instrument fitter for the
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Royal Australian Air Force
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it was this role that had recently
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landed the Kennedys in Ipswich located
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40 kilometers west of Brisbane
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Barry was transferred there in late 1972
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and the family settled into the
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two-bedroom unit on Short Street
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theirs was one of four units in a small
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crane brick block owned by the Air Force
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the move was just temporary while they
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awaited assignment of a bigger house
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but the unit's location on the edge of
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town just 350 meters from Limestone Park
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and a 15-minute drive from the Air Force
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Base in the nearby suburb of Amberley
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suited them fine for now
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the slow pace of Ipswich matched the
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Kennedy's small town mentality
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having been raised in the outback Barry
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and Faye were country kids at heart
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quiet and trusting they had lived a
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relatively sheltered lives and believed
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in the best of people
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when the couple awoke to find baby
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Deidre wasn't in her Court they
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desperately searched their house
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the 17-month-old had only recently
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started walking having scooted around on
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her bottom until she'd managed to find
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her feet
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she was still shaky on her legs and
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there was no way she could have climbed
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out of her cot or opened any doors on
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her own
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regardless the Kennedys looked through
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the small unit checking under beds and
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Furniture as they called deidre's name
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they searched outside before knocking on
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their neighbor's door
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he hadn't seen Deidre or heard anything
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out of the ordinary
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the green Open Spaces offered by
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Limestone Park made it a popular
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Recreation spot for residents of Ipswich
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located just a few minutes drive from
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the Town Center the sprawling Park was
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framed by a blend of residential streets
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and Main thoroughfares
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adults and children alike frequented the
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area to exercise play sports and walk
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their pets among the mostly flat land
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dotted with a scattering of native trees
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horse trainer Westy Mills was one such
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resonant
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the sun had barely risen on the morning
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of Saturday April 14 1973 as Westy
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trotted one of his horses across the
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Dewey oval
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there were few other people around say
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for a jogger and a duo with a dog
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as Westie passed a public toilet block
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on the western edge of the park he
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noticed something hanging off the edge
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of the flat tin roof
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he pulled his horse to a stop so he
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could get a closer look
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at first Westy thought it was a rag doll
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he then realized what exactly he was
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looking at
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Westy cried out in shock
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help there's a baby here
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Westie Mills desperately climbed onto
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the toilet block roof and retrieved the
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baby's body
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it was a young girl who had died of
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violent death
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she was wearing a pink pajama top but
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her pajama bottoms and Nappy had been
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removed and tossed aside
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in their place was women's underwear a
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pair of blue panties elastic step-ins
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with suspenders and a silk cuff slip
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skirt
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the local police were summoned along
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with detectives from Brisbane
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the site made even the most seasoned
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investigators recoil
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the baby's face and neck were covered in
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bruises and there was bruising to her
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lower thigh
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there was a small abrasion near one of
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her eyes and on her upper lip
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she had been sexually assaulted and
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strangled
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around this time a neighbor of the
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Kennedy family ran to the police station
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as neither of them had a phone
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as soon as the officer on duty heard
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that a baby was missing from Short
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Street he had no doubt
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the baby in Limestone Park was Deirdre
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Kennedy
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ipswich's chief of police remarked
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this by its circumstances is the most
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brutal murder I have ever seen
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Barry Kennedy was summoned to identify
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his daughter
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he couldn't bring himself to tell Faye
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exactly what had happened just that
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Deidre had been killed
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the devoted parents were beside
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themselves
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they tried to hold her together for
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Stephanie's sake but they were consumed
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by guilt as they blamed themselves for
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what had happened
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although Faye had checked the unit and
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closed the girl's window before she went
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to bed the night before she hadn't
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locked the door
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this wasn't unusual Ipswich was
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considered a safe City and it was
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customary for residents to leave their
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doors unlocked
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it wasn't in Faye or Barry's upbringing
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to be overly Vigilant about securing
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their home
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police visited Short Street to look for
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evidence
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although Faye was certain she'd clicked
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the sliding window closed it was now
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slightly ajar
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police dusted the property for unknown
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fingerprints
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they'd already uncovered some on the
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door of the toilet block at Limestone
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Park
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no foreign prints were detected on the
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Kennedy's window but there was one on
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the front door
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it couldn't be determined whether the
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killer had access to the house via the
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door or the window
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if they'd used the door they would have
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had to skulk quietly down the short
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hallway at the risk of waking the
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parents
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had they used the window they would have
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had to climb over Stephanie's bed
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but the five-year-old hadn't stirred at
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any point nor did she recall hearing or
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seeing anyone enter the room
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Deidre was painfully shy and her parents
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had no doubt that she would have cried
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if woken by a stranger
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but no one in the Kennedy household had
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heard Deirdre crying
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although they couldn't rule out the
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possibility entirely investigators
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didn't think that Deidre had been
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strangled at the same time she was
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abducted
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either the killer had managed to scuba
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Deidre up without waking her or the rest
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of the family had been so exhausted from
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their long day that they'd slept through
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her tears
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73 year old Cecil Carroll lived next
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door to the Kennedys in a large
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single-story house
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the two properties were separated only
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by some overgrown shrubs
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Cecil bordered there with the eight
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member [ __ ] family and mostly kept
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to himself in his bedroom at the end of
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the house
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on the night of Friday April 13 Cecil
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hadn't been feeling well and was resting
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in bed
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as he lit up a cigarette at around 10 pm
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he noticed something moving outside of
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his bedroom window
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the window opened out to the home's
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wraparound of Veranda which housed the
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makeshift washing line
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at first Cecil thought it was one of the
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[ __ ] kids
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but as he watched on he realized it was
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a male who looked to be aged between 18
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and 20 years old
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he was about 172 centimeters tall with a
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slender build of around 63 kilograms
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his hair was collar length and light
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brown to blonde in color
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foreign
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for a few minutes Cecil realized the
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prowler was taking items from the
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washing line
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he got out of bed and alerted the
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patriarch of the household Arthur
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borschett
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Arthur went outside and checked the
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veranda
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there was no one there
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he told Cecil to go back to bed
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shortly after Arthur looked out the
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window and noticed a male figure walking
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towards the Air Force units next door
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it was difficult to say anything through
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the darkness but the figure appeared to
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be in his late teens and around 170
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centimeters tall
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it was only upon closer inspection the
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following day that the bullshits
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realized several items were missing from
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their washing line
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a pair of blue panties elastic step ends
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and a silk cuff slip skirt
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the undergarments that Deidre Kennedy
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had been dressed in
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police showed Cecil Carroll a
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photographic lineup of potential
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suspects but he ruled each of them out
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as the prowler
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another Resident of the household
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twelve-year-old Paul borschett had been
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at a barbecue with friends earlier that
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evening
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he told police that when he returned
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home he saw a young man walking in the
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direction of limestone Park
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he was carrying something white over his
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shoulder
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police ultimately ruled Paul's siding
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out but they had no doubt that the man
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Cecil spied outside his window was the
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same person who killed Deidre
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news of deidre's death rattled the
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community
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people not only felt deeply for the
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Kennedy family but also feared for the
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safety of their own children
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it was in everyone's best interest that
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the case be solved fast and the public
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came forward with any details they
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thought could help
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investigate is considered whether the
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killer could have assaulted Deidre at
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another location or inside a vehicle
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before dumping her body in Limestone
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Park
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Witnesses reported seeing four different
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vehicles in the area on the night in
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question but nothing pointed towards a
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clear suspect
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police urged the public to report anyone
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who was acting out of character in the
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days following the crime
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they considered the possibility that
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more than one person could have been
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involved but deemed it much more likely
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that the perpetrator had acted alone
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extensive door knocks were carried out
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in a bid to determine whether any young
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males were absent from their homes on
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the night of Friday April 13.
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over three and a half thousand local
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males voluntarily provided their
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fingerprints to eliminate themselves
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from the investigation
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known sex offenders and psychiatric
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patients were checked and ruled out
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several leads emerged but none that led
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to any breakthroughs
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police deduced the killer either lived
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locally or was very familiar with the
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area
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the toilet Block in Limestone Park was
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mere minutes from the Kennedy's unit so
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it was probable that the killer had
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chosen that destination on purpose
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rather than stumbled upon it by accident
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given that the Kennedys were relatively
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new to the area mostly kept to
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themselves and had no known enemies it
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seemed unlikely that this was a targeted
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attack
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it was more likely the work of an
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opportunistic predator
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forensic examination of deidre's body
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determined she died by strangulation
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the bruises on her face and neck had
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been made by a human hand
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no semen or other bodily fluid was
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detected but the killer had left behind
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a single pubic hair and some hair-like
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fibers
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although DNA profiling didn't exist at
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the time there was one other clue
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on deidre's left thigh just above the
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knee were two small curved bruises about
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one and a half centimeters long
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it was a human bite mark
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the bite hadn't been hard enough to
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break the skin but the bruising was
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visible enough for dental experts to
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determine that the killer had an unusual
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set of teeth
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based on the irregular pattern of the
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bruises the killer likely had a
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protruding overbite
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this meant that their top and the bottom
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teeth didn't meet when their jaw was
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shut and their front teeth stuck out
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the bruising also indicated that there
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was a slight deformity to the Killer's
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Two Front Teeth
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it was possible the teeth were chipped
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or broken
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at the time of deidre's murder her
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father Barry's knee injury had left him
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incapacitated
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even moving around at the unit was a
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struggle
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regardless the police had to consider
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all theories and that they couldn't
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exclude the possibility that Deidre had
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been killed by someone closest to her
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after all it would explain how she was
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carried outside without raising an alarm
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Barry Kennedy's teeth were compared to
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the bite marks
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they didn't match
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The Grieving father was quickly
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eliminated from the investigation
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Barry was close with his cousin Keith
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Kennedy who lived just 40 kilometers
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away in the Brisbane suburbs
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the two had spent time together in
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Ipswich the day before Fey into the
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girls returned home from their trip to
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long range for visiting relatives
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according to the book of Justice in
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Jeopardy by Debbie Marshall while Barry
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didn't think his cousin was capable of
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hurting Deirdre the police thought
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otherwise
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three years earlier Keith had been
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accused of biting a three-year-old girl
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on the vagina
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he was tried for the indecent assault of
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a child and found not guilty for reasons
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of insanity
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the incident brought great shame to
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Keith's family and it was never talked
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about
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for investigators Keith Kennedy seemed
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like a promising suspect
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he knew the family and the Ipswich area
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and had a past history of offending
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furthermore Keith was blonde and roughly
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177 centimeters tall not too far off
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from the young man seen prowling around
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the Kennedy's unit on the night Deidre
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was taken
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his dentition was also unique in that
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there was a significant gap between his
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two front teeth and they slightly
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protruded
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police questioned Keith Kennedy who
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claimed he'd been at home with his
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brother and sister on the night Deidre
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was abducted
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Kate's fingerprints and dental records
00:21:05
were compared against to those found at
00:21:07
the crime scene
00:21:09
there was no match
00:21:12
months continued to pass and the
00:21:15
investigation languished
00:21:17
by January 1974 10 months had gone by
00:21:21
with no major breakthroughs
00:21:24
a coronal inquest was held but nothing
00:21:27
significant was uncovered
00:21:34
the largest base of the royal Australian
00:21:37
Air Force is located in Amberley a
00:21:39
suburb 13 kilometers west of Ipswich
00:21:43
over 5 000 people are employed there
00:21:46
many of whom live on site
00:21:49
in the early 1980s female members were
00:21:52
housed separately in a double-story
00:21:54
cream brick unit block
00:21:57
on the morning of February 4 1982 they
00:22:00
awoke to a crude surprise
00:22:04
overnight someone had scaled up their
00:22:07
drain pipe on the side of the building
00:22:08
and broken in Via an open window leaving
00:22:11
men's boot prints on the wall in the
00:22:13
process
00:22:15
they then entered one of the women's
00:22:17
dorm rooms
00:22:19
one of the sleeping women had
00:22:21
photographs of herself sitting at her
00:22:23
bed head
00:22:25
in them she was wearing revealing
00:22:27
clothing
00:22:29
the prowler quietly gathered the photos
00:22:32
careful not to make a sound
00:22:34
he sculpt around in the dark collecting
00:22:37
several pairs of women's underwear and
00:22:39
Air Force uniforms
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the communal laundry room was located on
00:22:45
the ground floor
00:22:47
there the prowler took his Loot and laid
00:22:50
it out on an ironing board
00:22:52
he slashed the crotches of the underwear
00:22:54
and cut holes from the nipple section of
00:22:57
the bras
00:22:58
he did the same thing to the uniforms
00:23:00
before debasing the stolen photographs
00:23:03
and fleeing Into the Night
00:23:07
when residents of the unit block
00:23:09
discovered the scene the next morning
00:23:11
they were horrified by the violation
00:23:14
military police were notified
00:23:16
immediately
00:23:18
two officers had been patrolling the air
00:23:21
base in the early hours of the morning
00:23:23
and had noticed that a car had been
00:23:25
parked near the boundary fence
00:23:26
surrounding the women's quarters
00:23:29
noting it is out of place they'd written
00:23:32
down the registration number
00:23:36
it now seemed very possible that whoever
00:23:38
owned this vehicle was responsible for
00:23:41
the perverted brake in antar
00:23:44
officers checked the Air Force records
00:23:47
and quickly who identified its owner
00:23:49
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[Music]
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26 year old Raymond Carroll was an
00:26:23
electrical fitter who lived on the
00:26:24
Amberley base with his wife and two
00:26:26
young daughters
00:26:28
a member of the Air Force since the age
00:26:30
of 17 he'd followed in the footsteps of
00:26:33
his late father a military man who had
00:26:35
moved his family to various postings
00:26:37
across Australia
00:26:40
police questioned Raymond Carroll about
00:26:42
why his car was parked near the women's
00:26:44
quarters in the early hours of February
00:26:47
4.
00:26:48
Carol said they were mistaken
00:26:52
there had been a function at the golf
00:26:54
club earlier that evening he'd attended
00:26:57
the event but was home before midnight
00:27:00
Carol's wife backed this up saying her
00:27:03
husband was home by 11 30 and didn't
00:27:06
leave their house again
00:27:10
the prowler had left fingerprints on the
00:27:12
photographs found in the women's laundry
00:27:14
room
00:27:15
police obtained Carol's Prince and
00:27:17
compared the two
00:27:20
it was an indisputable match
00:27:24
Raymond Carroll claimed he had no idea
00:27:26
how his Prince ended up on the photos
00:27:28
and maintained he had nothing to do with
00:27:31
the break and Enter
00:27:34
with no prior criminal record it did
00:27:37
seem an odd crime for a seemingly
00:27:39
respectable married military man
00:27:42
but for interviewing officer Corporal
00:27:45
John Rowley his encounter with Raymond
00:27:47
Carroll had raised a more serious
00:27:49
question
00:27:51
Carol had told Raleigh that before
00:27:53
joining the Air Force in 1973 he'd lived
00:27:56
with his mother in Ipswich
00:27:59
their home was on Quarry Lane just
00:28:01
around the corner from Limestone Park
00:28:06
this location coupled with Carol's
00:28:08
apparent fetish for women's underwear
00:28:10
had rolly thinking about the unsolved
00:28:12
murder of baby Deidre Kennedy
00:28:16
although nine years had passed since
00:28:18
deidre's death it was a case Rowley
00:28:20
could never forget
00:28:23
as he spoke with Raymond Carroll another
00:28:25
detail was too obvious to ignore
00:28:29
Carol had a protruding overbite and
00:28:32
distinctly crooked front teeth
00:28:34
[Music]
00:28:40
Corporal rolly became fixated on the
00:28:42
possibility that Raymond Carroll could
00:28:44
have been responsible for Deidre
00:28:46
Kennedy's murder
00:28:48
the underwear the proximity the unusual
00:28:51
dentition it all seemed to fit
00:28:54
but as a defense officer rowley's
00:28:57
resources were limited and he was soon
00:28:59
reposted making it difficult to access
00:29:01
any further information
00:29:05
six months after interviewing Carol
00:29:07
about the break and Enter at Amberley
00:29:09
Rowley was having lunch with an old
00:29:11
colleague detective Sergeant John
00:29:13
Reynolds
00:29:15
Reynolds had worked on the Deidre
00:29:17
Kennedy investigation from the outset
00:29:19
and like many others who were involved
00:29:22
he continued to be haunted by the case
00:29:25
Rowley presented Reynolds with his
00:29:28
theory that Raymond Carroll could be
00:29:30
involved
00:29:33
detective Reynolds interest was
00:29:34
immediately peaked
00:29:36
he was given permission to reopen the
00:29:38
case as the lead investigator but when
00:29:41
he started looking into it he discovered
00:29:43
that valuable information had been lost
00:29:47
in the summer of 1974 the year after
00:29:50
deidre's murder floods had ravaged
00:29:53
Ipswich
00:29:54
thousands of homes and businesses had
00:29:56
been damaged including the basement of
00:29:59
the Ipswich police station where
00:30:00
evidence was stored
00:30:03
missing from the Deidre Kennedy file
00:30:05
were records of the extensive door
00:30:07
knocks that were conducted around
00:30:09
Ipswich straight after her murder
00:30:12
these contained information about every
00:30:14
male who was at home on the night that
00:30:16
the crime occurred
00:30:19
although this was a major setback one of
00:30:21
the most crucial pieces of evidence
00:30:23
remained the photographs depicting the
00:30:26
Killer's bite mark
00:30:30
[Music]
00:30:32
in 1973 Raymond Carroll had been 17
00:30:35
years old and was living with his mother
00:30:37
and younger siblings on Quarry Lane
00:30:40
their home was just 600 meters from the
00:30:43
Kennedy's unit on Short Street and just
00:30:46
700 meters from the toilet block at
00:30:48
Limestone Park
00:30:50
if Raymond Carroll was indeed
00:30:52
responsible for taking and killing
00:30:54
Deidre it meant the entire crime could
00:30:56
have occurred within a small triangular
00:30:58
radius that could be walked on foot in
00:31:01
under 10 minutes
00:31:04
in October 1983 investigators on the
00:31:08
Kennedy case visited the Air Force Base
00:31:10
in Amberley to approach Raymond Carroll
00:31:12
for the first time
00:31:14
they were forthright about their reason
00:31:16
for wanting to question him
00:31:19
Carol said he wasn't even in Queensland
00:31:21
at the time that Deidre Kennedy was
00:31:23
murdered
00:31:25
he'd enlisted in the Air Force earlier
00:31:27
that year and had been completing his
00:31:29
basic recruitment training in the small
00:31:31
South Australian town of Edinburgh
00:31:35
the 10-week course ran from February 9
00:31:38
until April 19. after which Carol said
00:31:41
he traveled to the Wagga Wagga Air Force
00:31:43
Base in New South Wales to undergo
00:31:45
electrical training
00:31:48
at no time did he return to Ipswich
00:31:53
Carol insisted he had nothing to hide
00:31:57
although he was reluctant he agreed to
00:31:59
provide fingerprints hair samples and a
00:32:02
plaster cast of his teeth
00:32:05
a forensic expert deemed that Carol's
00:32:07
hair was of similar color and texture to
00:32:10
the hairs found on deidre's body but in
00:32:13
the days before DNA profiling there was
00:32:15
nothing to conclusively say the hairs
00:32:18
belonged to Carol
00:32:21
investigators compared to fingerprints
00:32:24
with those found at the Kennedy's flat
00:32:26
as well as the toilet block at Limestone
00:32:28
Park
00:32:29
they didn't match
00:32:32
then again it couldn't be determined for
00:32:35
certain that the prince found at the
00:32:36
crime scenes definitely belonged to the
00:32:38
perpetrator
00:32:40
the toilet Block in Limestone Park was a
00:32:43
public space and it was possible that
00:32:45
the prince had been made by an innocent
00:32:47
Community member
00:32:49
the print on the Kennedy's front door
00:32:51
could have come from any number of
00:32:53
people who had visited the unit in
00:32:55
recent times
00:33:00
then there was the issue of Carol's
00:33:03
alibi
00:33:04
Air Force records confirmed that Carol
00:33:07
had indeed graduated from the training
00:33:09
course in Edinburgh on April 19 1973.
00:33:14
recruits were only granted or leave
00:33:16
under special circumstances typically
00:33:19
for a serious family emergency
00:33:22
doing so required them to go through a
00:33:25
strict approval process
00:33:27
the Air Force had no record of Carol
00:33:29
leaving the training course at any point
00:33:34
a formal graduation parade had taken
00:33:36
place in Edinburgh on April 19
00:33:39
1973. after which the recruits had all
00:33:42
posed for a course photograph
00:33:45
Raymond Carroll had already told the
00:33:47
police that he'd attended the ceremony
00:33:49
but hadn't walked in the parade due to
00:33:52
an issue with the number of recruits
00:33:55
investigators made queries with Air
00:33:57
Force officials who confirmed that all
00:34:00
graduates were required to march in the
00:34:02
parade regardless of numbers
00:34:06
they obtained the graduation photo
00:34:09
Raymond Carroll was nowhere to be seen
00:34:15
investigators began the Monumental task
00:34:17
of trying to track down each of the 27
00:34:20
recruits from Carol's course who were
00:34:22
now scattered across the country
00:34:25
they wanted to know if anyone was absent
00:34:28
from the graduation ceremony
00:34:31
by this point over 10 years had passed
00:34:33
and memories were hazy
00:34:36
no one could recall any specifics but
00:34:39
there was a vague recollection that
00:34:40
someone had left early due to an illness
00:34:43
in the family
00:34:46
according to the book Justice in
00:34:48
Jeopardy one recruit recalled that on
00:34:50
the afternoon of April 12 1973 he was
00:34:54
asked to help pack up the belongings of
00:34:56
another rookie who'd been called home on
00:34:58
compassionate leave
00:35:00
he remembered that the young man clearly
00:35:02
because he had a distinct set of teeth
00:35:05
that jutted out
00:35:06
his name was Raymond Carroll
00:35:11
investigators couldn't find any Air
00:35:13
Force records to back up the claims that
00:35:16
Carol had been granted to leave
00:35:18
nor were there any medical records to
00:35:21
indicate there had been a serious
00:35:22
illness within his family that would
00:35:24
have warranted him returning home
00:35:27
instead investigators turned to the
00:35:30
commercial airlines
00:35:33
there were two thousand kilometers
00:35:35
between Edinburgh and Ipswich
00:35:37
if Carol had been granted a leave on
00:35:40
April 12 the only way he would have made
00:35:42
it to Ipswich in time to kill Deidre
00:35:44
Kennedy on April 13 was if he'd flown
00:35:49
but the airlines were no use
00:35:52
protocol dictated that domestic records
00:35:55
be disposed of after seven years
00:36:00
disproving Raymond Carroll's Alibi
00:36:03
wasn't the only issue
00:36:05
the prayer who had been witness to
00:36:07
lurking around to the Kennedy's unit on
00:36:09
the night of deidre's abduction was
00:36:11
described as being around 172
00:36:14
centimeters tall with collar length
00:36:16
light brown to blonde hair
00:36:19
in April 1973 Raymond Carroll's hair was
00:36:23
dark brown and as per Air Force protocol
00:36:26
it was cropped short at the back and
00:36:28
sides
00:36:29
he was much taller than the prowler
00:36:31
standing around 185 centimeters
00:36:37
investigators believed that they'd found
00:36:39
a deidre's killer but they'd need
00:36:41
further Evidence if a jury was ever
00:36:43
going to find Carol guilty
00:36:46
they had to dig deeper
00:36:51
[Music]
00:36:53
Joy Myers had been a young and naive
00:36:55
woman when she met Raymond Carroll in
00:36:58
Wagga Wagga in 1973.
00:37:01
the two married and had their first
00:37:03
child the following year a daughter
00:37:05
named Kylie not her real name
00:37:09
Carol was reposted to Darwin and the
00:37:11
family of three relocated
00:37:14
but the marriage was Rocky from the
00:37:16
beginning and it wasn't long before Joy
00:37:18
suspected that Carol was cheating on her
00:37:22
the couple divorced in November of 1975
00:37:25
and had little contact from there on
00:37:28
with the joy maintaining full custody of
00:37:31
Kylie
00:37:33
investigators track to Joy down and
00:37:36
questioned her about the marriage
00:37:38
what she told them was shocking
00:37:42
when Kylie was just a baby there had
00:37:45
been four or five occasions where
00:37:46
Raymond Carroll had taken her into the
00:37:48
bedroom to change her nappy
00:37:51
shortly after Kylie would start
00:37:53
screaming
00:37:56
Joy went to see what was wrong but on
00:37:59
each occasion Carol had locked the door
00:38:01
and refused to respond
00:38:04
he'd emerged shortly after with a
00:38:06
strange expression on his face before
00:38:08
leaving the house without saying a word
00:38:13
Kylie was too young to talk but the
00:38:15
bruises on her upper thighs spoke for
00:38:18
themselves
00:38:20
Joy believed them to be black marks
00:38:24
she said this abuse was one of the
00:38:26
reasons she divorced Carol
00:38:30
when the investigators divulged the
00:38:32
reason why they were making inquiries
00:38:34
about her ex-husband Joy had another
00:38:36
revelation
00:38:39
when the newlyweds had first found out
00:38:41
they were expecting a child Carol had an
00:38:44
idea for her name
00:38:46
if it was a girl he wanted to call her
00:38:50
Deidre
00:38:50
[Music]
00:38:55
Raymond Carroll remarried in 1977 and he
00:38:59
and his new wife went on to have twin
00:39:01
daughters
00:39:03
by the time Carol became the focus of
00:39:06
the Deidre Kennedy murder investigation
00:39:08
he and his wife had also welcomed a baby
00:39:10
boy
00:39:12
CE knew some of the evidence against
00:39:15
Carol was flimsy but the plaster cast of
00:39:17
Raymond Carroll's teeth was examined by
00:39:20
a forensic Dental expert
00:39:22
he compared the dental Impressions with
00:39:25
photos of the bruises on Deidre
00:39:27
Kennedy's thigh
00:39:29
the positioning of the bruises lined up
00:39:32
with Raymond Carroll's unique overbite
00:39:34
and was a fitting size for a 17 year old
00:39:37
male
00:39:39
but the shape of the bruises indicated
00:39:41
the Killer's front two teeth was
00:39:43
slightly deformed
00:39:45
the plaster cast of Carol's teeth showed
00:39:48
no such deformity
00:39:51
investigators obtained a copy of Carol's
00:39:54
dental records from the Air Force which
00:39:56
were taken during his recruitment in
00:39:58
early 1973.
00:40:00
comparing the records to the plaster
00:40:03
cast it appeared his upper teeth had
00:40:05
since undergone some dental work
00:40:08
the 1973 records showed that at the time
00:40:11
of Deidre Kennedy's murder Raymond
00:40:14
Carroll's front teeth were chipped and
00:40:16
broken deformities that matched the
00:40:18
bruises on deidre's body
00:40:21
for the dental expert there was no
00:40:24
question
00:40:25
the bite marks on the baby had been made
00:40:27
by Raymond Carroll
00:40:31
but if Deidre Kennedy had been killed on
00:40:34
April 13 at a time Carol was supposed to
00:40:36
be Interstate how did his teeth marks
00:40:39
end up on her body
00:40:41
was it possible that the Air Force
00:40:43
records were wrong
00:40:46
on February 27 1984 two years after the
00:40:50
break-in at the Amberley women's
00:40:52
quarters and almost 11 years after
00:40:55
Deidre was killed investigators decided
00:40:58
it was time to make their move
00:41:01
they went to the Amberley base and
00:41:03
placed the Raymond Carroll under arrest
00:41:05
for murdering the 17-month-old
00:41:11
Carol continued to deny any involvement
00:41:13
in the crime
00:41:15
he maintained he was in South Australia
00:41:17
at the time and stuck by his story that
00:41:20
he didn't participate in the graduation
00:41:22
march but was present for the duration
00:41:26
when shown the graduation photo of his
00:41:29
fellow recruits Carol first pointed to a
00:41:32
young man who looked to nothing like him
00:41:34
and said it was possible that was him
00:41:38
he then conceded that he wasn't in the
00:41:41
shot but explained that he was standing
00:41:44
to the side just outside of the frame
00:41:48
he denied ever being granted special
00:41:50
leave or having any reason to leave the
00:41:53
training course early to return to
00:41:54
Ipswich
00:41:56
he also denied his ex-wife's allegations
00:41:59
that he'd abused their first daughter or
00:42:02
that he had a proclivity for stealing
00:42:04
women's underwear
00:42:07
the interrogation continued for several
00:42:10
hours but at no point did Raymond
00:42:12
Carroll crack
00:42:14
regardless he was officially charged
00:42:17
with the murder of Deidre Kennedy
00:42:20
he was taken to brisbane's BOGO road to
00:42:22
jail but granted Bale the following day
00:42:27
news of the arrest rattled Faye and
00:42:30
Barry Kennedy The Grieving parents had
00:42:33
done their best to move on
00:42:35
Faye had since given birth to a son
00:42:37
named Derek and the family had relocated
00:42:39
to New South Wales
00:42:42
as Faye later told ABC's Australian
00:42:45
story
00:42:47
having another child never replaces what
00:42:49
you lost but it certainly brought joy to
00:42:52
our lives
00:42:55
the family didn't speak about Deidre
00:42:58
often
00:42:59
Barry had been raised to believe that
00:43:02
men didn't cry and he rarely mentioned
00:43:04
it Deirdre by name
00:43:06
the pain was too intense
00:43:10
by the time Carol was arrested Derek was
00:43:13
11 years old and still didn't know what
00:43:15
had happened to his big sister
00:43:18
having to explain why they'd be going to
00:43:21
court Barry finally sat down and told
00:43:24
Derek the heartbreaking truth
00:43:30
Raymond Carroll's murder trial commenced
00:43:33
in the Brisbane Supreme Court in
00:43:34
February 1985.
00:43:37
the prosecution hoped to use the
00:43:39
Amberley break-in against him
00:43:42
for that offense he'd been charged with
00:43:44
17 counts including breaking and
00:43:46
entering stealing and willful
00:43:48
destruction of Air Force property
00:43:52
if the jury knew that Carroll had a
00:43:54
history of sneaking into people's homes
00:43:56
and stealing women's underwear it would
00:43:58
add further weight to their case against
00:44:00
him
00:44:02
but in a pre-trial hearing the defense
00:44:04
successfully argued that Carol's prior
00:44:07
offense couldn't be presented
00:44:08
[Music]
00:44:10
the jury would have to reach their
00:44:12
verdict without being privileged to this
00:44:14
information
00:44:17
the prosecution's case therefore relied
00:44:20
on three major factors
00:44:22
one that Raymond Carroll had given a
00:44:25
false alibi
00:44:26
2. that he had a propensity for biting
00:44:29
small children and three that the bite
00:44:32
marks on Deidre Kennedy's body were a
00:44:35
match to Carol's teeth
00:44:39
the defense put it to the jury that the
00:44:41
case against their client was entirely
00:44:43
circumstantial
00:44:45
valuable records had been lost by both
00:44:48
the Air Force and the police which meant
00:44:50
there was nothing to confirm that
00:44:52
Raymond Carroll was in South Australia
00:44:54
when Deirdre was killed
00:44:57
however as the defense pointed out there
00:45:01
were no records to confirm that he
00:45:02
wasn't
00:45:04
not a single witness had placed Carol in
00:45:07
Ipswich at the time of the crime nor was
00:45:09
there any evidence to suggest he was
00:45:11
anywhere near the area
00:45:15
and Carroll was now 29 years old and
00:45:19
almost 12 years had passed since Deidre
00:45:21
Kennedy was murdered
00:45:23
this meant that memories were hazy and
00:45:26
Witnesses were susceptible to influence
00:45:30
several former Air Force recruits and
00:45:32
one instructor testified to remembering
00:45:35
that Raymond de Carroll had been sent
00:45:37
home prior to the graduation parade due
00:45:40
to an illness in his family
00:45:43
however another recruit testified that
00:45:45
on the day of the graduation he had a
00:45:48
conversation with Carol in the canteen
00:45:50
and introduced him to his family
00:45:54
on the stand the Doctor Who had been the
00:45:57
Carroll family's general practitioner in
00:45:59
1973 could provide no evidence that
00:46:02
there had been a serious illness in the
00:46:04
family that would have warranted Carol
00:46:06
being granted compassionate leave
00:46:10
as for the allegation that Carol had
00:46:13
bitten his infant daughter on the thighs
00:46:15
the defense questioned why his ex-wife
00:46:17
Joy Myers had never reported this to
00:46:20
anyone
00:46:21
she didn't even mention it during their
00:46:23
divorce proceedings
00:46:26
on the stand Joy admitted she'd kept
00:46:29
this information to herself but she
00:46:32
adamantly stood by her allegations
00:46:36
the prosecution advised that the jury
00:46:38
not to put any weight on the fact that
00:46:40
Joy didn't report these incidents
00:46:43
as they pointed out child abuse and
00:46:46
incest can be considered shameful to boo
00:46:49
topics and fear often prevented people
00:46:51
from coming forward
00:46:55
the prosecution's case was based on the
00:46:58
assumption that whoever stole the
00:47:00
underwear from next door to the
00:47:01
Kennedy's unit was the same person who
00:47:04
killed Deidre
00:47:06
the defense argued that Carol didn't
00:47:09
match witness descriptions of this
00:47:10
person
00:47:11
he was taller and with shorter darker
00:47:14
hair
00:47:16
the K witness Cecil Carroll who had seen
00:47:19
the underwear Thief had since passed
00:47:22
away
00:47:23
he's former housemate Arthur borchert no
00:47:26
longer had a clear memory of the person
00:47:28
he claimed to have seen walking towards
00:47:31
the Kennedy's unit
00:47:34
in terms of physical evidence it all
00:47:37
came down to the bite marks
00:47:40
three Dental experts known as forensic
00:47:42
odontologists had extensively compared
00:47:45
the bruises on Deidre Kennedy's body
00:47:47
with plaster casts of Raymond Carroll's
00:47:50
unique teeth
00:47:52
it was a difficult task given that the
00:47:54
biter hadn't broken the skin or left any
00:47:57
indentations
00:48:00
furthermore the bruise marks had been
00:48:02
made on a curved three-dimensional
00:48:04
surface whereas the photos the
00:48:06
odontologists had were only
00:48:08
two-dimensional
00:48:10
as one of the experts explained
00:48:14
the shapes of bruisemarks can alter if
00:48:17
the body is placed in a different
00:48:18
position from that in which it was when
00:48:21
the marks were made
00:48:23
the marks on deidre's body were near the
00:48:26
knee and their shapes might be affected
00:48:29
by changes in tensions of their skin
00:48:31
caused by extension or flexion of the
00:48:34
knee joint
00:48:37
while their methods differed and they
00:48:39
didn't entirely agree on which tooth had
00:48:41
made which bruise all three experts
00:48:44
arrived at the same conclusion
00:48:46
the bite marks had been made by Raymond
00:48:49
Carroll
00:48:52
however the defense pointed out that
00:48:54
when one of the experts first examined
00:48:57
deidre's bruises in 1973. they had
00:49:00
stated that it would quote
00:49:03
be impossible to establish with any
00:49:06
degree of certainty as to who would be
00:49:08
responsible for the bite mark to the
00:49:10
dead child
00:49:14
the experts had also made their findings
00:49:16
using a plaster cast of Carol's teeth
00:49:18
that had been altered to reflect the
00:49:21
state of his dentition in 1973
00:49:25
they didn't have an exact replica of his
00:49:27
teeth from the time period
00:49:29
[Music]
00:49:33
Raymond Carroll took the stand in his
00:49:36
own defense
00:49:38
asked under oath if he killed Deidre
00:49:40
Kennedy or had anything to do with her
00:49:42
death Carol responded clearly
00:49:45
I did not
00:49:48
he denied leaving Edinburgh early or
00:49:51
ever biting his youngest daughter
00:49:53
calling the allegations a bunch of Lies
00:49:57
his current wife with whom he had three
00:50:00
kids also testified that Carol was an
00:50:03
excellent father who rarely disciplined
00:50:05
their children
00:50:08
the trial lasted for 19 days summing up
00:50:12
the prosecution concluded that Raymond
00:50:14
Carroll had a perverted interest in
00:50:16
young children combined with a fetish
00:50:19
for stealing women's underwear
00:50:22
it didn't matter that there was no
00:50:24
evidence placing Carol in Ipswich at the
00:50:26
time that Deidre Kennedy was murdered
00:50:28
because bite marks on her body
00:50:31
identified him as the Killer
00:50:35
the defense concluded that there were
00:50:37
simply too many variables to identify
00:50:39
who had caused the biomarks and that the
00:50:42
evidence therefore wasn't reliable
00:50:46
in the absence of concrete evidence
00:50:48
placing Carol in Ipswich at the time of
00:50:51
deidre's murder the judge reminded the
00:50:53
jury that to find Carol guilty they must
00:50:56
believe Beyond a reasonable doubt that
00:50:59
he was the one who caused the bite marks
00:51:04
the jury deliberated for four hours
00:51:06
before they returned to the packed
00:51:08
courtroom to give their verdict
00:51:11
guilty
00:51:13
Carol was asked if he had anything to
00:51:15
say
00:51:17
he responded
00:51:18
I am not guilty
00:51:22
the sentence was handed down immediately
00:51:25
life imprisonment with hard labor
00:51:31
Carroll and his legal team appealed the
00:51:33
conviction immediately
00:51:36
they argued that the evidence presented
00:51:38
at trial wasn't enough to sustain a
00:51:40
guilty verdict
00:51:42
the prosecution had failed to prove that
00:51:45
Carol was in Ipswich when the crime was
00:51:47
committed and the forensic odontologists
00:51:50
hadn't proven Beyond reasonable doubt
00:51:52
that the bite marks on deidre's body
00:51:54
were his
00:51:56
Carol also argued that the
00:51:58
unsubstantiated evidence from his
00:52:00
ex-wife alleging that he bit their baby
00:52:02
daughter on the leg was damaging and
00:52:05
therefore shouldn't have been admissible
00:52:09
the Court of Criminal appeal agreed
00:52:12
after spending just nine months in
00:52:15
prison Raymond Carroll's conviction was
00:52:17
quashed and he was allowed to walk free
00:52:21
news of the acquittal shocked the public
00:52:24
a majority of whom were convinced of
00:52:26
Carol's guilt
00:52:28
some wanted Revenge to get a baby killer
00:52:31
off their streets
00:52:33
Carol and his family immediately
00:52:35
relocated interstate
00:52:38
the prosecution argued for a retrial but
00:52:41
their request was denied
00:52:44
the Kennedys were crushed
00:52:47
as though the pain of their loss and
00:52:49
enduring the trial wasn't enough they
00:52:52
now had to accept that the matter was
00:52:54
once again unresolved
00:52:59
later that year a woman contacted the
00:53:02
police
00:53:03
she had worked at the Royal Air Force
00:53:05
Base in Darwin at the time that Raymond
00:53:08
Carroll and his family had been
00:53:09
stationed there
00:53:11
the woman recalled that in 1975 there
00:53:15
had been several occasions where she'd
00:53:17
noticed the bruises on Carol's
00:53:18
one-year-old daughter Kylie
00:53:22
Joy told her they were bite marks caused
00:53:25
by her husband
00:53:27
the woman allegedly asked Carol how he
00:53:30
could do such a thing
00:53:32
he simply Shrugged
00:53:37
in Australia in the 1980s Double
00:53:39
Jeopardy laws prevented a person from
00:53:42
being tried for the same offense twice
00:53:45
such laws existed to protect an accused
00:53:48
person against the abuse of state power
00:53:50
and allowed them to get on with their
00:53:52
lives without further prosecution
00:53:56
it also served to encourage prosecutors
00:53:58
to prepare their cases properly the
00:54:01
first time round knowing it would be
00:54:03
their only shot
00:54:06
this meant that because Raymond Carroll
00:54:08
had already been acquitted of Deidre
00:54:10
Kennedy's murder he couldn't be charged
00:54:12
again even if any new evidence emerged
00:54:15
in the future
00:54:18
regardless of the jury's verdict in the
00:54:21
eyes of the law Raymond Carroll was an
00:54:24
innocent man
00:54:34
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as the years passed the DNA testing for
00:56:08
criminal cases was slowly rolled out in
00:56:10
Australia
00:56:11
forensic scientists attempted to test
00:56:14
the pubicare found on Deidre Kennedy's
00:56:16
body but it was destroyed in the process
00:56:21
by 1997 the use of digital imaging
00:56:24
techniques led to some groundbreaking
00:56:26
developments in forensic dental
00:56:28
technology
00:56:29
using digital analysis experts were able
00:56:33
to examine scrape marks from an
00:56:34
individual's teeth to create a unique
00:56:37
barcode
00:56:38
new software had also been developed
00:56:40
that allowed experts to transpose images
00:56:43
of teeth onto images of bite marks
00:56:47
photographs from old crime scenes could
00:56:49
also be enhanced
00:56:52
using this new technology a team of
00:56:54
forensic experts analyzed the bruises on
00:56:57
Deidre Kennedy's body
00:56:59
they discovered another set of much
00:57:01
fainter biomarks on deidre's body that
00:57:04
had been missed during the original
00:57:06
examination
00:57:08
the Assumption had always been that
00:57:10
Deidre was lying down when she was
00:57:12
bitten and that the top bruise on her
00:57:15
thigh had been caused by the biter's
00:57:17
upper teeth
00:57:19
according to the book Justice in
00:57:21
Jeopardy the New Evidence indicated this
00:57:24
was wrong
00:57:25
Deidre had actually been held upside
00:57:27
down when the biter struck
00:57:30
the original experts who had given
00:57:33
evidence at Carol's trial had been
00:57:35
looking at the bite marks the wrong way
00:57:37
around
00:57:40
while this was a major Revelation one
00:57:42
piece of evidence remained Undisputed
00:57:45
as forensic odontologist Dr Alex Forrest
00:57:49
who later told Australian story
00:57:52
the bite marks that were inflicted on
00:57:54
the baby's thigh I have no doubt
00:57:57
whatever that they were inflicted by
00:57:59
Raymond John Carroll
00:58:03
an article spruking the forensic
00:58:05
advances led to renewed interest in the
00:58:07
Deidre Kennedy case and prompted an
00:58:10
influx of tip-offs one of which came
00:58:12
from an unexpected source
00:58:17
[Music]
00:58:20
38 year old Trevor Swift had been in and
00:58:23
out of jail all of his adult life for a
00:58:25
series of offenses
00:58:28
in February 1984 he was serving time in
00:58:31
brisbane's BOGO road to jail when he
00:58:33
crossed paths with Raymond Carroll who
00:58:36
had just been arrested for Deidre
00:58:38
Kennedy's murder
00:58:40
both men were being held in protective
00:58:42
custody
00:58:45
according to Swift he struck up a
00:58:48
conversation with Carol who asked him
00:58:51
what do you know about bite marks
00:58:54
Swift responded
00:58:56
mate and as far as I know they're as
00:58:58
good as fingerprints you're a shot duck
00:59:03
Carol seemed rattled by Swift's response
00:59:07
some time later Swift asked Carol what
00:59:10
he'd been arrested for
00:59:12
Carol allegedly responded
00:59:15
the murder of that baby at Ipswich
00:59:20
a day or so later Swift pressed Carol to
00:59:23
tell him more
00:59:25
Carol allegedly said that he'd been out
00:59:27
stealing women's underwear when he
00:59:29
stumbled upon an open window
00:59:31
he looked in and saw there was a baby
00:59:34
inside
00:59:35
things got out of hand
00:59:37
he abducted the baby abused her and then
00:59:40
strangled her with a pair of pantyhose
00:59:42
before leaving her body on a toilet
00:59:44
block
00:59:47
Swift was relocated to another sector of
00:59:49
the prison shortly after this encounter
00:59:51
and then eventually transferred to
00:59:53
another facility altogether
00:59:57
he told one prison guard about what
00:59:59
Carol had said but never mentioned it to
01:00:01
anyone else
01:00:03
he just assumed that Carol had been
01:00:05
convicted of the crime and never gave it
01:00:07
much more thought
01:00:10
with the case now back in the news
01:00:12
Trevor Swift contacted police and
01:00:15
provided an official statement about the
01:00:17
alleged confession
01:00:19
there was just one problem
01:00:22
the prison guard he claimed to have told
01:00:24
about the encounter had since passed
01:00:26
away and there was no one to vouch for
01:00:29
Swift's story
01:00:31
was currently facing multiple criminal
01:00:34
charges
01:00:37
investigators knew that jailhouse
01:00:39
confessions can be unreliable and to
01:00:41
that there was every chance that Swift
01:00:43
was providing this information in the
01:00:45
hopes of securing a lighter sentence
01:00:49
at the same time it was too compelling
01:00:52
to ignore
01:00:55
despite Raymond Carroll being protected
01:00:58
by Double Jeopardy laws this new
01:01:00
evidence LED prosecutors to consider all
01:01:03
possible options
01:01:05
after heavy scrutinizing they identified
01:01:08
a potential legal loophole
01:01:11
at Carroll's murder trial he was asked
01:01:14
under oath if he killed Deidre Kennedy
01:01:17
he responded I did not
01:01:22
if the New Evidence could prove that
01:01:24
he'd knowingly lied under oath when he
01:01:27
said he didn't kill Deidre prosecutors
01:01:29
could charge him with perjury instead
01:01:33
a perjury conviction only carried a
01:01:35
maximum sentence of 14 years
01:01:37
imprisonment but it would at least
01:01:39
provide some form of closure for the
01:01:41
Kennedy family and get a potentially
01:01:43
dangerous predator off the streets
01:01:48
by 1999 44 year old Raymond Carroll had
01:01:52
divorced his second wife and was living
01:01:55
in Ipswich with his new partner
01:01:58
on Friday February 12 police arrived at
01:02:01
Carol's home and placed him under arrest
01:02:03
for perjury
01:02:05
he was charged at the station later that
01:02:08
day but released on bail after being
01:02:10
deemed a no-flight risk
01:02:13
Carroll's legal team argued that the new
01:02:16
charge constituted an abusive process
01:02:18
and they requested a permanent stay in
01:02:21
the proceedings
01:02:23
the judge disagreed saying the
01:02:26
prosecution case was significantly
01:02:28
different and stronger than the original
01:02:30
murder charge
01:02:32
Carol was ordered to stand to trial for
01:02:35
perjury
01:02:38
investigators were now armed with new
01:02:40
dental evidence and a jailhouse
01:02:42
confession but doubts remained that this
01:02:45
would be enough to secure a conviction
01:02:49
one of the lingering questions was
01:02:51
if Raymond Carroll was indeed in Ipswich
01:02:54
at the time of Deidre Kennedy's murder
01:02:56
what was he doing wandering around to
01:02:59
late at night
01:03:00
he was only 17 and there weren't any
01:03:03
shops open in the area
01:03:06
investigators wondered if he could have
01:03:08
been out visiting a friend or more
01:03:11
likely a love interest
01:03:17
desley Hill had been a teenager when she
01:03:19
and Raymond Carroll began a short
01:03:21
romance in 1972.
01:03:24
they maintained contact for a couple of
01:03:27
years even after Carol married his first
01:03:29
wife but things eventually fizzled out
01:03:32
between them and they lost touch
01:03:36
ly moved into State and rarely thought
01:03:39
about her distant acts until March of
01:03:41
2000 when she opened her door to find a
01:03:44
detective standing there
01:03:47
he wanted to speak to her about her
01:03:49
relationship with Raymond Carroll
01:03:54
desily was taken aback she knew Carol
01:03:57
had been charged with Deidre Kennedy's
01:03:59
murder back in the 80s but it never
01:04:01
occurred to her that she could be of any
01:04:03
use to the investigation
01:04:06
the detective tried to jog her memory
01:04:09
back to April 1973.
01:04:12
could she recall whether Carol had
01:04:14
visited her at any point during that
01:04:16
time
01:04:19
desley had been living with her parents
01:04:21
in Woodridge at the time a suburb 37
01:04:24
kilometers east of Ipswich
01:04:27
she recalled that out of nowhere one
01:04:29
Saturday night Raymond Carroll had
01:04:32
stopped to buy their unit
01:04:34
they hadn't seen each other for a while
01:04:36
and desily was shocked to see him
01:04:39
while they stood around chatting a News
01:04:42
Bulletin came on about Deidre Kennedy's
01:04:44
murder
01:04:45
her body had only been found early that
01:04:48
morning
01:04:50
Carol became visibly agitated he left in
01:04:53
a hurry saying he had to get home to his
01:04:56
sick mother
01:04:56
[Music]
01:05:01
the perjury trial commenced on October
01:05:03
27 2000.
01:05:06
it was essentially a replay of the
01:05:08
original murder trial with a majority of
01:05:11
the same Witnesses called and
01:05:12
testimonies given
01:05:15
the New Evidence submitted was the
01:05:17
alleged jailhouse confession the
01:05:20
statement from desily Hill that placed
01:05:22
Carol in Queensland the day after
01:05:24
deidre's murder and at the Advanced
01:05:26
Dental forensics that matched Carol's
01:05:29
teeth with the bite marks on deidre's
01:05:31
body
01:05:33
the defense urged the jury not to place
01:05:36
any weight on the jailhouse confession
01:05:38
from Trevor Swift
01:05:40
he was an alcoholic with an extensive
01:05:42
criminal history that included
01:05:44
dishonesty and they contended that the
01:05:47
information he provided was nothing more
01:05:49
than an attempt to secure a lighter
01:05:51
sentence for his own crimes
01:05:54
Swift strongly denied this
01:05:57
he was well aware that informants put
01:06:00
themselves in danger of being attacked
01:06:02
by other inmates
01:06:04
he also pointed out that he'd been in
01:06:06
constant trouble with the law his entire
01:06:08
adult life
01:06:10
if he was going to make up a story to
01:06:12
benefit himself he would have done it
01:06:14
much earlier
01:06:15
why wait 16 years
01:06:20
Carol's ex-girlfriend dazly Hill took
01:06:22
the stand to testify that Carol had
01:06:25
visited her parents home the day after
01:06:27
Deidre was killed
01:06:29
at the time desily had been pregnant to
01:06:32
a man who ended the relationship once he
01:06:35
found out she was expecting
01:06:38
a couple of months later desily started
01:06:40
seeing Raymond Carroll again
01:06:44
desily remembered the day that Carol
01:06:46
visited her parents house because she'd
01:06:48
been waiting for a cot to be delivered
01:06:52
although she admitted she wasn't good
01:06:53
with dates she could place the visit to
01:06:56
April 14 1973 based on the news
01:06:59
broadcast about Deidre Kennedy's murder
01:07:03
desily's parents had been home at the
01:07:06
time but they couldn't back her story
01:07:09
both had since passed away
01:07:14
the defense called a deadly story a
01:07:17
complete fabrication
01:07:19
desley couldn't remember the date that
01:07:21
her daughter was conceived but the child
01:07:23
was born on July 25 1973 and was 10
01:07:28
weeks premature
01:07:31
the defense pointed out that this meant
01:07:33
desily had gotten pregnant in early
01:07:35
January of 1973 and wouldn't have found
01:07:38
out until mid-February
01:07:41
by the time she claimed to have resumed
01:07:43
her relationship with Raymond Carroll he
01:07:46
had already enrolled in the Air Force
01:07:48
and been deployed interstate
01:07:51
therefore her memory of the timings was
01:07:53
all wrong
01:07:55
the visit they said never happened
01:08:04
four separate odontologists testified
01:08:07
that the bite marks on Deidre Kennedy's
01:08:09
body were a match to Raymond Carroll
01:08:13
they all agreed that the experts had it
01:08:15
wrong during the first trial in that
01:08:18
they'd been looking at the bite marks
01:08:19
upside down
01:08:22
the defense argued that the digital
01:08:24
imaging technology was inaccurate and
01:08:27
that testimony provided by some of the
01:08:29
experts was fundamentally flawed
01:08:32
a doctor of forensic Dentistry who had
01:08:35
been involved with over 200 bite mark
01:08:37
cases testified that the bruises on
01:08:40
deidre's body weren't enough to make a
01:08:42
positive identification of the biter
01:08:46
while the digital imaging technique was
01:08:49
very useful this expert said it should
01:08:52
only be used as an aid in dental
01:08:54
analysis and not as a means of
01:08:56
identification
01:09:00
the defense questioned whether the bike
01:09:02
could have in fact been made by Barry
01:09:04
Kennedy's cousin Keith Kennedy
01:09:07
Keith also had a distinct set of teeth
01:09:09
and more closely matched the physical
01:09:11
description of the blonde man seen
01:09:14
lurking around the Kennedy's unit on the
01:09:16
night of the crime
01:09:19
Keith had passed away but the dental
01:09:21
experts could tell just by looking at a
01:09:24
photograph of his gapped teeth that his
01:09:26
bite was not a match to the bruises on
01:09:28
deidre's body
01:09:32
Faye and Barry Kennedy had chosen not to
01:09:35
sit through the first trial but they
01:09:37
were present for the perjury case
01:09:39
hearing the forensic experts go back and
01:09:42
forth over what had happened to Deidre
01:09:44
was too much for the Kennedys to bear
01:09:47
Faye later told Australian story
01:09:51
all I could think was she was so little
01:09:54
and for someone to do something so
01:09:56
atrocious to her and to discard her
01:09:59
little body just to throw her on a
01:10:01
toilet block like she was just trash
01:10:06
the perjury trial lasted for 18 days
01:10:08
given the amount of time that it passed
01:10:11
since deirdre's murder the judge
01:10:13
instructed the jury to be careful when
01:10:15
considering the various witness
01:10:17
testimonies
01:10:19
it was possible that individuals were
01:10:22
misremembering things or had been
01:10:24
influenced by media coverage or hearsay
01:10:28
he also highlighted the difference in
01:10:30
expert opinion regarding the teeth marks
01:10:32
in both the murder and perjury trial and
01:10:35
to urged the jury not to put blind trust
01:10:38
in the expert opinions
01:10:42
in summing up the judge clarified quote
01:10:47
the only real issue is whether Raymond
01:10:49
Carroll told a lie when in the murder
01:10:52
trial he said he did not kill Deidre
01:10:54
Kennedy
01:10:56
if he did Kill Deidre Kennedy you may
01:10:59
think a plane that that was something
01:11:01
well known to him
01:11:04
if you conclude that it is not
01:11:06
established Beyond reasonable doubt that
01:11:08
he did Kill Deidre Kennedy it follows
01:11:10
that it has not been proved Beyond
01:11:12
reasonable doubt that the accused gave
01:11:14
false testimony and the verdict must be
01:11:18
not guilty
01:11:21
the next day the jury delivered their
01:11:24
verdict
01:11:25
guilty
01:11:27
handing down the maximum sentence of 14
01:11:30
years imprisonment the judge stated
01:11:34
it is necessary to bear in mind that the
01:11:37
sentence being imposed is for perjury
01:11:39
not for murder
01:11:41
it is important not to let the horrific
01:11:44
nature of the crime perpetrated on
01:11:46
Deidre Kennedy and its profound impact
01:11:48
on the lives of her family diverted
01:11:51
tension from that fact
01:11:57
the Kennedy family were relieved by the
01:11:59
guilty verdict as it signaled an end of
01:12:02
the media attention
01:12:04
but it wasn't over yet
01:12:08
once again Raymond Carroll appealed his
01:12:11
conviction
01:12:12
his legal team argued that the perjury
01:12:14
charge should never have been allowed
01:12:18
given that the perjury trial was
01:12:20
essentially a do-over of the murder
01:12:22
trial they said it went against the
01:12:24
principles of double jeopardy
01:12:27
furthermore the amount of time that it
01:12:29
passed between the crime and the perjury
01:12:31
trial meant there was no way that
01:12:34
Raymond de Carroll was ever going to get
01:12:36
a fair trial
01:12:39
the court of appeal analyzed the witness
01:12:41
and expert testimony and discovered some
01:12:44
major flaws
01:12:46
jailhouse informant Trevor Swift had
01:12:49
testified that his conversations with
01:12:51
Carol had occurred over a number of days
01:12:53
following Carol's arrest for deidre's
01:12:56
murder
01:12:58
Carol was only held in boggo road to
01:13:00
jail for less than 24 hours before being
01:13:03
granted bail
01:13:06
three appellate judges therefore
01:13:08
determined it was unlikely the
01:13:10
conversations relayed by Swift ever
01:13:12
happened and that he should have never
01:13:14
been allowed to testify
01:13:18
they also thought little weight should
01:13:20
have been placed on desley Hill's
01:13:22
testimony
01:13:24
even if desley's timing was correct and
01:13:27
Carol was in Queensland at the time it
01:13:29
still didn't prove that he'd committed
01:13:31
the crime
01:13:33
combined with the differing opinions
01:13:35
when it came to the forensic Dental
01:13:37
evidence the court of appeal concluded
01:13:39
that the jury's decision was unsafe and
01:13:42
unsatisfactory
01:13:45
they agreed that the entire trial had
01:13:47
been an abusive process and should never
01:13:49
have been allowed
01:13:52
for the second time Raymond Carroll's
01:13:55
conviction was overturned and he was
01:13:57
allowed to walk free
01:14:01
Community outrage ensued
01:14:03
Faye Kennedy was so Shattered by the
01:14:06
news that she collapsed when she heard
01:14:08
it
01:14:09
How could a person be founded Guilty by
01:14:11
two separate juries and continue to walk
01:14:14
free
01:14:16
she questioned what the point was of
01:14:18
having a jury trial if a judge could
01:14:20
overrule their decision
01:14:23
to Faye the justice system had failed in
01:14:26
every aspect
01:14:28
she pleaded that the case be sent to the
01:14:30
high court and her request was granted
01:14:35
but the high court not only concluded
01:14:37
that none of the evidence presented at
01:14:39
the perjury trial was new and compelling
01:14:42
they also agreed the entire trial was
01:14:45
inconsistent with the principles of
01:14:46
double jeopardy
01:14:49
even if the evidence had been compelling
01:14:51
the high court determined it didn't
01:14:53
matter because Raymond Carroll should
01:14:56
still be protected by Double Jeopardy
01:14:58
laws
01:15:01
Injustice Angelo vastar who had served
01:15:04
as the judge in Raymond Carroll's murder
01:15:06
trial later told Australian story
01:15:10
this is one of the rare cases where I
01:15:12
think the law has been over Technical
01:15:14
and in those circumstances I think that
01:15:17
justice has not been done
01:15:20
people know that Carol is responsible
01:15:22
for this death when 24 people have said
01:15:25
in a properly constituted court that he
01:15:28
is guilty
01:15:30
the tentacles of Justice just can't
01:15:33
reach him
01:15:37
throughout all the years of legal action
01:15:39
Raymond Carroll never once spoke to the
01:15:42
media
01:15:44
in 2006 he broke his silence after 33
01:15:48
years by appearing on current affairs
01:15:50
program 60 minutes
01:15:53
Carol wasn't paid for the interview but
01:15:56
he agreed to go through with that on one
01:15:58
condition that the producers organized
01:16:00
for him to undergo a lie detector test
01:16:05
the polygraph expert hoped Carol up to
01:16:07
the machine and asked him a series of
01:16:09
questions
01:16:11
among them was
01:16:14
did you kill Deidre Kennedy
01:16:17
Carol's response was firm
01:16:20
no
01:16:23
according to the lie detector he was
01:16:25
telling the truth
01:16:29
the interviewing journalist Richard
01:16:31
Carlton put it to Carol that he was
01:16:33
actually guilty of deidre's murder but
01:16:35
it spent all these years successfully
01:16:37
convincing himself of the opposite
01:16:40
Carol bluntly denied this allegation
01:16:44
he stated
01:16:46
I feel extremely sorry for Mrs Kennedy
01:16:49
for her loss I honestly hope she does
01:16:52
get closure for this crime
01:16:55
but I'm sorry she is not going to get it
01:16:57
at my expense because I did not do it
01:17:04
[Music]
01:17:07
Faye and Barry's marriage didn't survive
01:17:09
the trauma of their ordeal
01:17:11
they divorced in the early 90s after 25
01:17:14
years of marriage
01:17:16
speaking of Raymond Carroll Faye told
01:17:19
Australian story
01:17:21
I believe a good marriage was destroyed
01:17:24
by this person
01:17:27
Fey resettled in Ipswich where she got a
01:17:30
job at the local supermarket
01:17:33
one day she was working behind the
01:17:35
checkout counter when Raymond Carroll
01:17:37
walked in
01:17:38
he too had relocated to Ipswich and the
01:17:42
Very side of him gave Faye a terrible
01:17:44
shock
01:17:46
she refused to serve him and one of her
01:17:48
co-workers had to step in
01:17:51
according to Faye Carroll seemed
01:17:54
unperturbed by the encounter
01:17:58
Faye Kennedy began working with
01:18:00
politicians to petition for changes to
01:18:02
be made to queensland's double jeopardy
01:18:04
laws which they hoped to be dubbed
01:18:07
deidre's law
01:18:09
they argued that the 800-year-old law
01:18:12
was outdated and hadn't kept in line
01:18:14
with technological advancements or
01:18:17
investigative techniques
01:18:19
unless the laws were updated a suspect
01:18:22
could walk free even if evidence had
01:18:25
since become available that
01:18:26
unequivocally proved their guilt
01:18:30
they hoped to have 10 000 people sign
01:18:33
her petition
01:18:35
within 12 weeks she'd tripled that with
01:18:38
over 33 000 members of the community
01:18:40
showing their support
01:18:44
speaking in Parliament House former
01:18:46
police officer turned to Member of
01:18:48
Parliament Peter Dutton stated
01:18:52
the Heartbreak felt by Mrs Kennedy and
01:18:54
other Brave members of the Kennedy
01:18:56
family is absolutely unimaginable
01:18:59
I can tell you that there is no doubt in
01:19:01
the mind of Mrs Kennedy or anybody with
01:19:04
knowledge of this case that the evidence
01:19:06
proves the suspect's guilt no doubt at
01:19:09
all
01:19:11
yet thirty years after the crime this
01:19:14
killer is allowed to walk free and to
01:19:16
taunt Mrs Kennedy by living in her local
01:19:18
area and shopping at her workplace
01:19:23
in my view it is a travesty that
01:19:25
advances in forensic technology mean
01:19:27
nothing in this case because Double
01:19:29
Jeopardy prevents a retrial to prove the
01:19:32
suspect's guilt
01:19:34
and what is worse is that as the
01:19:37
technology improves more acquittals in
01:19:40
the future could be called into question
01:19:42
and create the same heartbreaking
01:19:44
situation for other families not just in
01:19:47
Queensland but around the nation
01:19:50
I share a view with Mrs Kennedy that
01:19:53
there is something basically and
01:19:54
fundamentally wrong with a legal system
01:19:56
that allows a child killer and rapist to
01:19:59
walk free
01:20:03
Faye told 60 minutes
01:20:06
if I could change this law for one other
01:20:08
family I've done some good
01:20:11
it just seems so wrong that this can go
01:20:14
on
01:20:15
who else has suffered like I have
01:20:17
because of a law
01:20:19
I just feel driven to do this and I
01:20:22
believe I will get this result that I'm
01:20:24
looking for
01:20:26
I believe that with all my heart that
01:20:29
the people of Queensland will support me
01:20:32
I need them too and I have faith that
01:20:34
they will
01:20:38
and they did
01:20:40
in 2007 queensland's law was amended so
01:20:44
that a person previously acquitted of
01:20:46
murder could be retried if there was
01:20:48
fresh and compelling evidence against
01:20:50
them and it was in the interest of
01:20:52
Justice to do so
01:20:55
the law is also allowed for a retrial in
01:20:58
the case of a tainted acquittal for
01:21:00
example if a juror had been bribed
01:21:05
Faye told The Courier mail she was
01:21:07
elated that the changes had been named
01:21:09
to deidre's law commenting
01:21:12
we said from the start this would be her
01:21:15
law
01:21:22
Faye eventually moved to the rural town
01:21:25
of laidley 46 kilometers west of Ipswich
01:21:29
in her bedroom she safely stored items
01:21:31
belonging to her beloved baby Deidre in
01:21:34
a pink memory chest adorned with flowers
01:21:38
inside was deidre's baby bracelet a
01:21:41
brooch an Easter egg a memorial plaque
01:21:44
and an urn containing deirdre's ashes
01:21:49
Faye kept the chest locked at all times
01:21:51
protective of the only physical
01:21:53
possessions that kept her connected to
01:21:55
her daughter
01:21:59
on the afternoon of Sunday October 3
01:22:01
2010 the now 61 year old Faye visited
01:22:05
her son's home in a nearby town to watch
01:22:07
the National Rugby League Grand Final
01:22:11
when she returned home that evening she
01:22:13
discovered that her house had been
01:22:15
broken into
01:22:16
thieves had gained access via a sliding
01:22:19
door before stealing several items
01:22:21
including a laptop and DVDs
01:22:26
in Phase bedroom the thieves had broken
01:22:28
the lock to deidre's memory chest and
01:22:31
took the contents from within including
01:22:34
deidre's ashes
01:22:37
Faye was utterly heartbroken
01:22:40
of all the untouched belongings in her
01:22:42
home she couldn't believe that the
01:22:44
thieves had taken her most prized
01:22:46
possessions
01:22:48
though Priceless to her they held no
01:22:51
monetary value to anyone else
01:22:54
they appeared on ABC News to make an
01:22:57
emotional plea for the safe return of
01:22:59
her daughter's ashes saying through
01:23:01
tears
01:23:03
I feel like I've lost her twice and I
01:23:05
need to have her back I just need her
01:23:08
home
01:23:11
police didn't believe it was a targeted
01:23:13
attack and deemed it unlikely that the
01:23:16
thieves understood the significance of
01:23:18
what they'd taken
01:23:20
all too aware of the ongoing pain
01:23:22
endured by the Kennedy family police
01:23:24
appealed for the thieves to return
01:23:26
deidre's belongings and wasted no time
01:23:29
investigating the matter
01:23:32
they interviewed over 40 Persons of
01:23:34
Interest and searched several homes
01:23:37
while members of the community rallied
01:23:39
together to raise a three thousand
01:23:40
dollar reward for anyone who had
01:23:42
information about the crime
01:23:45
but eight months later the crime
01:23:48
remained unsolved
01:23:50
Faye told The Courier mail
01:23:54
some days I'm really low and other days
01:23:57
I think I'm just not going to give up
01:24:00
hope
01:24:03
on Saturday April 13 2013 relatives of
01:24:07
the Kennedy family and members of the
01:24:09
Ipswich Community gathered in Limestone
01:24:11
Park to Mark the 40-year anniversary of
01:24:14
deidre's death
01:24:16
despite the decades that had passed the
01:24:19
crime still served as a constant
01:24:21
reminder that dangers lurked in the most
01:24:23
unsuspecting of places
01:24:26
in a rotunda are overlooking the oval a
01:24:29
memorial plaque was unveiled in deidre's
01:24:31
honor
01:24:34
Faye Kennedy told The Courier mail
01:24:38
I hope it creates awareness and lets
01:24:40
children know there are some nasties out
01:24:43
there
01:24:45
the mayor of Ipswich said the crime
01:24:48
changed Ipswich forever commenting
01:24:51
as a city we want Faye and her family to
01:24:54
know we share her grief and pain
01:24:58
it's a strong reminder to look after our
01:25:01
kids
01:25:04
the plaque reads
01:25:05
[Music]
01:25:06
dedicated in loving memory of Deidre
01:25:09
Marie Kennedy
01:25:11
we cannot stop the hands of time nor
01:25:13
live again the past but we shall love
01:25:16
and think of you as long as time shall
01:25:19
last
01:25:20
a life that touches others goes on
01:25:24
forever
01:25:25
[Music]
01:25:37
[Music]
01:25:47
[Music]
01:25:55
in June 1993 Elizabeth Stevens 18 was
01:26:00
murdered on her way home from the bus
01:26:02
stop her death began a seven-week reign
01:26:05
of terror for the people of Frankston I
01:26:08
remember thinking like how can it happen
01:26:10
to someone that's fought so hard to get
01:26:12
away and have a good life a serial
01:26:15
killer was on the loose no one was safe
01:26:18
not young mother Debbie frame 22 taken
01:26:22
on a trip to the shops nor Natalie
01:26:25
Russell 17 murdered on her way home from
01:26:28
school then two detectives came in and
01:26:32
they just said to Brian myself can we go
01:26:35
somewhere Pride
01:26:37
we went into the bedroom and I said I'm
01:26:40
sorry to tell you it's Natalie the
01:26:42
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01:26:45
and sentenced to life in prison on
01:26:48
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01:26:51
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01:26:53
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01:26:56
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01:27:09
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Episode Highlights

  • The Tragic Discovery
    A horse trainer finds a baby’s body in a park, leading to a shocking investigation.
    “Help! There's a baby here!”
    @ 08m 23s
    April 15, 2023
  • A Grieving Family
    The Kennedy family struggles with guilt and grief after the loss of their daughter.
    “The devoted parents were beside themselves.”
    @ 10m 15s
    April 15, 2023
  • A Community in Shock
    The murder of Deidre Kennedy rattles the Ipswich community, sparking fear for children's safety.
    “People felt deeply for the Kennedy family but also feared for their own children.”
    @ 15m 29s
    April 15, 2023
  • Raymond Carroll's Alibi
    Raymond Carroll insists he was in South Australia during Deidre Kennedy's murder, but evidence contradicts him.
    “I have nothing to hide.”
    @ 31m 57s
    April 15, 2023
  • Joy Myers' Shocking Revelations
    Joy Myers shares disturbing details about her ex-husband Raymond Carroll's behavior with their daughter.
    “He'd emerge with a strange expression on his face.”
    @ 38m 06s
    April 15, 2023
  • The Trial of Raymond Carroll
    Raymond Carroll's murder trial begins, with the prosecution relying on circumstantial evidence against him.
    “The jury would have to reach their verdict without being privileged to this information.”
    @ 44m 12s
    April 15, 2023
  • Raymond Carroll's Defense
    Carroll took the stand, denying any involvement in Deidre's death, calling allegations lies.
    “I did not”
    @ 49m 45s
    April 15, 2023
  • Guilty Verdict
    After deliberation, the jury returned a guilty verdict against Carroll for perjury.
    “guilty”
    @ 51m 11s
    April 15, 2023
  • Perjury Trial Commences
    The perjury trial began, revisiting the original murder trial's testimonies and evidence.
    @ 01h 05m 01s
    April 15, 2023
  • Final Verdict Delivered
    The jury found Carroll guilty of perjury, sentencing him to 14 years imprisonment.
    “guilty”
    @ 01h 11m 25s
    April 15, 2023
  • Faye Kennedy's Fight for Justice
    Faye Kennedy campaigns for changes to Queensland's double jeopardy laws after her daughter's murder.
    “I believe that with all my heart that the people of Queensland will support me.”
    @ 01h 20m 29s
    April 15, 2023
  • Heartbreaking Theft
    Faye Kennedy's daughter's ashes were stolen during a burglary, leaving her devastated.
    “I feel like I've lost her twice and I need to have her back.”
    @ 01h 23m 01s
    April 15, 2023

Episode Quotes

  • Help! There's a baby here!
    A young family experiences an unthinkable tragedy
  • There's no safe like SimpliSafe.
    A young family experiences an unthinkable tragedy
  • Having another child never replaces what you lost, but it certainly brought joy.
    A young family experiences an unthinkable tragedy
  • a bunch of Lies.
    A young family experiences an unthinkable tragedy
  • she was so little.
    A young family experiences an unthinkable tragedy
  • I feel like I've lost her twice and I need to have her back.
    A young family experiences an unthinkable tragedy

Key Moments

  • Community Shock15:29
  • Raymond's Background26:20
  • Defense Testimony49:36
  • Jailhouse Confession1:00:12
  • Perjury Charges1:02:01
  • Justice Overturned1:13:55
  • Community Outrage1:14:01
  • Faye's Plea1:23:01

Words per Minute Over Time

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