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website on the evening of Saturday January 27 2001 roxan of Verona drove to the small town of vetna New Hampshire
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and turned onto trescot Road it was a long stretch of bitchman flanked by brush low stone walls and Tall thickets
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of trees on either side there was also roughly an inch of fresh snow on the ground occasionally picturesque homes
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could be seen through the dense foliage but most of the roads houses were hidden
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from view although it was only just after 6:30 p.m. the area was already cloaked
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in darkness due to the midwinter season Roxana pulled up at a gravel driveway and turned following the curved
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50 yard driveway downhill and parking at its base next to the driveway was was a
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garage and behind it was a two-story house built just 16 years earlier in 1985 the property was Modern and
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surrounded by Gardens and woods making it an ideal home for residents seeking a peaceful
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Retreat the couple who lived in the house were roxana's good friends Hoff and Susanna zantop our warm social pair
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they had invited Roxana over for dinner Roxana grabbed her handbag and salid she'd made before getting out of
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the car and walking to the front door she rang the doorbell then placed a hand on the door knob to her surprise the
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door was unlocked despite being the sort of people who often hosted guests Hoff and
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Susanna were also security conscious and always locked their house up Roxana wondered if Susanna had left the door
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unlocked for her benefit Susanna had me mentioned that Hoff would be out at a birthday party
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when Roxana arrived perhaps Susanna had decided to take a shower and wanted roxan to be able to let herself
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in Roxana turned the door knob and entered the house calling out I'm in as she did so she hung her coat and handbag
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up at the end of the hallway then placed the salad on the dining room table all of the house lights were on but Roxana
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noticed how strangely quiet it was she couldn't hear the shower running or the sound of someone bustling about
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getting ready walking into the kitchen she found it empty some bread cheese and chopped
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vegetables were out as though someone was midway preparing a meal but there was no cooking
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Aroma Susan Susan Roxana called there was no reply the house felt empty then Roxana noticed that the study door
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was open and a light was on inside she headed towards the room which was usually a neat and tidy space with
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hundreds of books lining floor to ceiling bookshelves and Hoff's desk with everything in place yet on this occasion
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it was in total disarray papers and photographs were strewn all over the floor and a card
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table was knocked over Roxana immediately noticed that Hoff and Susanna were there too
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both lay on the floorboards and both were covered in blood [Music] [Music] at the house next door Bob McCollum was
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celebrating his 76th birthday with his wife his daughter and his son-in-law just as the group were
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raising their glasses in a toast to Bob they heard someone pounding at the front
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door and a woman screaming they found Roxana Verona outside crying about the grizzly
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Discovery she'd had just made at the zantop residence Bob's wife called 911 while Bob a doctor ran next door to see
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if he could help Roxana and Bob's daughter went with him while Roxana hid in the zantop
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kitchen waiting for police Bob went to check on his neighbors 55-year-old Susanna lay on her stomach near the
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study door the card table that had been knocked over was resting on her carves there was a large puddle of blood pulled
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beneath her head which faced away it appeared the blood came from a large slash made across her throat
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Susanna was wearing a brown and black jumper and tan corduroy trousers which were also covered in
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blood Bob McCollum checked Susanna's wrist for a pulse but found none her husband Hoff who was 62 was a
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few feet away from Susanna sprawled on his right side his head rested on the base of a bookshelf which was splattered
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with blood like Susanna Hoff's clothes were blood soaked there there was a cut in the left
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leg of his jeans and he had been stabbed repeatedly in the chest and head Hoff's
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face was white and completely drained of blood it was clear to Bob that he too was
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deceased the Fate the couple had met was an extremely violent one spots and splatters of blood covered books
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paperwork chairs and an oriental rug that was beneath Hoff's feet there was also a clear clue as to
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the weapon used to inflict the violence lying on top of a bloody Birkenstock sandal that had come off
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Susanna's foot was a black plastic knife sheath it was more than a foot long and
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3 in wide a second matching sheath also lay under a nearby chair within several minutes multiple
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police officers from Hanover Police Department had arrived at the scene Han was a large town that lay 4 miles west
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of ETA right near the border of New Hampshire and Vermont its biggest claim to fame was
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that it was home to the ivy league university Dartmouth College many residents of ETA were
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employed in Hanover and despite its semi-rural appearance trescot Road was a popular thoroughfare for commuters
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between the two towns the Hanover officers were also joined by members of the New Hampshire
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State Police and officers from the Grafton County Sheriff's Department they conducted a sweep of the
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Zeno's home to ensure the coup's attacker wasn't hiding somewhere in the residence before turning their attention
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to the crime scene there was a trail of blood leading from the study out of the house in the
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foyer was a partial bloody print left by a boot two more prints were found outside and eventually a total of five
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full or partial blueprints were identified 19 full or partial finger and pal prints were also
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collected Hoff and Susanna had both suffered numerous knife wounds as well as having her throat cut Susanna had
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been stabbed in her head and abdomen Hoffs injuries were mostly to his chest including to the heart and
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lungs both of them would have died within seconds or minutes forensic technicians ComEd
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surfaces for hair and took samples of multiple blood droplets other investigators seized
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numerous items from the home that they hoped might offer up evidence including a desktop computer and a
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laptop judging from the scene in the kitchen it looked as though the attack had taken place earlier that day at
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around lunchtime there was a pot of homemade soup being prepared on the stove chopped
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to vegetables and herbs lay nearby along with a loaf of bread and two blocks of cheese interviews with the couple's
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loved ones would reveal they tended to follow followed the same routine each weekend Hoff would get up early bring
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his wife a cup of tea in bed and they would sit and chat then Susanna would see the
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household chores while listening to the radio they had morning tea together at 11:00 a.m. then homemade soup at 1:00
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p.m. on that particular Saturday records would show that the couple had emailed some friends at 8:30 a.m. and Susanna
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called Roxana Verona at 10:30 to invite her over for dinner that was the last time anyone had
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spoken to the couple Hoff and Susanna had both moved to the United States from Germany but
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met while they were studying at California's Stanford University during the 1960s they were an intelligent couple
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who spoke multiple languages and were passionate about education and Progressive
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politics Hoff who was 6' tall and an aid Outdoorsman earned a PhD in geology Susanna was petite at 5T but described
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as a bundle of energy she obtained her masters in political science before later achieving a PhD in comparative
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literature the couple married in 1970 had two daughters and later became professors at Dartmouth
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College Susanna was chair of the University's German faculty while Hoff taught geology and Earth
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Science they were popular with the students and staff alike and made friends easily the zops loved hosting
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dinner parties where they would debate ideas and discuss arts and culture after their daughters grew up
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they decided to leave Hanover for a more rural setting and bought the trescot road property in
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atar they loved how natural light streamed in through its large windows and the way it was surrounded by
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Nature the fact that the house wasn't visible from the outside LED investigators to suspect the couple had
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been killed by someone who knew them a stranger passing by the road wouldn't see the home down below moreover there
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was no sign of a Breakin and aside from the mess in the study the house hadn't been ransacked or rummaged through Hoff
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and Susanna owned a number of extremely valuable works of art yet none were stolen Hoff's wallet was missing but
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nothing else the scene didn't look like a burglary gone wrong plus the attack had taken
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place in the late morning or early afternoon in broad daylight that seemed like an odd time
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for thieves to strike then there was also the extremely brutal nature of the murders stabbing
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was a particularly violent way to kill someone and involved up close direct contact both Hoff and Susanna were
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victims of Overkill with some wounds made postmortem this suggested a personal motive and a murderer driven by a
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rage everything seemed to be pointing to a targeted attack word of the double homicide
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spread like wildfire through the Dartmouth Community as well as Hanover and etar more
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broadly when reporters at the college's student newspaper learned that two professors had been murdered they
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published an article on their website and distributed it to all students via an email
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bulletin violent crimes were rare in this community where many residents left their doors permanently
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unlocked fear spread along with speculation as to who could be responsible some wondered if an angry
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student might have committed the crime others suspected a jealous colleague investigators were tight
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lipped and wouldn't say if there was an ongoing risk to the community or not more than 30 officers from multiple law
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enforcement agencies were assigned to the case making it one of the largest investigations in New
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Hampshire in a media conference about the killings members of the public were asked to keep an eye out for anyone in
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their Circle who was behaving suspiciously that included having a particular fixation on the case sudden
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absence from work altered sleeping patterns a change in drinking or smoking habits or seeming nervous and irritable
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during an interview with investigators several days after the murders Hoff's teaching assistant said he could only
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think of one person who might want to kill the professor that individual was another
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geology Professor who worked on the other side of the country at Arizona State University Stanley Williams was 14 years
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younger than Hoff is anop and although he was based in Arizona he had obtained his PhD in geology at Dartmouth
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his work had been overseen by Professor dick stobber who was also responsible for hiring Hoff
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zantop on the afternoon of Saturday January 27 Hoff had been planning to drop in on Professor stober's 90th
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birthday celebrations prior to having dinner with his wife and Roxana Verona Stanley Williams was somewhat
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famous amongst the geology circles due to an incident that had taken place 8 years earlier in
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1993 will had been leading a small group of scientists engineers and tourists to
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a crater by an active volcano when the volcano erupted nine of the 15 attendees were
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killed and Williams was Gravely injured after a rock struck his head he nearly died and was left with permanent brain
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damage he began to have Angry outbursts and suffered bouts of depression according to Hoff xanto's
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teaching assistant Williams had been open about the fact that he wanted a job at Dartmouth but the only one he was
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qualified for already belonged to Hoff on the day of the zantop murders Stanley Williams had actually been in
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town to attend Professor stober's birthday party he had caught a flight from Arizona then rented a white Deo
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sedan to get around Hoff's teaching assistant said Williams had been in a strange mood at
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the party he seemed tense and angry before suddenly becoming friendly and celebratory
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offering the assistance of champagne straight from the bottle it was the first lead detectives
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had they tracked down the rental car Williams had used and searched it thoroughly in the boot was a cardboard
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box with a reddish brown stain that looked like blood several investigators wound up
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flying to Arizona to interview Williams and his wife Williams admitted that he'd
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run into Hoff the day before the murders but firmly denied being involed D when asked if he'd hired anyone to kill the
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zops Williams was adamant that he hadn't investigators remained suspicious and took blood samples from Stanley
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Williams but they couldn't find any evidence tying him to the crime testing would reveal that the
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blood likee stain from the Box in his High car was actually the remnants of a stew Williams had taken a pot of the
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stew to a friend's house and placed it in the Box to prevent a at staining the car's
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upholstery 2 weeks after he first entered investigator sites Stanley Williams was ruled out of the
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investigation meanwhile in the absence of any arrests or worthwhile developments the rumor mill went into
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overdrive the xanto's Nextdoor neighbors told reporters that the couple had recently been counseling a troubled
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student Hoff had told them that the student was a young man experiencing distress but didn't give a name his
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neighbors had warned him to be careful as in their opinion the student sounded like he was suffering from
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paranoia they wondered if he could be responsible for the couple's murder other people also talked about a
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student possibly being behind the crime the day before the murders Hoff was seen in his office engaged in a
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shouting match with a student both were speaking in Spanish at the time the student was tracked down it
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turned out that he was completing a double major in English and Spanish he said he'd taken Hoff's Earth Sciences
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course sometime earlier and the two had become friends what had sounded like a heeded
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argument to Outsiders who didn't understand Spanish was actually them loudly teasing each
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other other leads involving various students were pursued then dismissed as they went nowhere
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in mid-February 3 weeks after the murders the Boston Globe ran a front page story with the
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headline love affair eyed in New Hampshire killings husband involved with unidentified woman officials
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say the article went on to quote unnamed sources who claimed detectives believed
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the murders were a crime of passion that resulted from an affair Hoff was having investigators suspected a lone
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man was behind the attack as the weapon used was Heavy the person most likely responsible
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was the husband or partner of the woman Hoff was involved with this article outraged Friends of
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the xops who wrote angry letters to the newspaper in response they were adamant that Hoff and
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Susanna were deeply in love and committed to one another and there was no indication of any
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infidelity 2 Days Later New Hampshire's attorney general publicly uted the contents of the article saying that
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investigators did not think an affair was the motive for the murders the Boston Globes subsequently
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ran a retraction at the time they had believed the information they had was accurate
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but they now apologized to the zantop family and friends for inadvertently causing more
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pain from the outside it looked like detectives weren't making any progress on the case however they they had kept
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the biggest clue they had tightly under wraps from the media and the public two crucial items had been
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recovered from the crime scene the matching knife sheaths these had not belonged to the
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xenops and were clearly left behind by the killer or Killers the fact that there were two indicated they were
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looking for more than one perpetrator an examination of the foot long hard plastic sheaths revealed that
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they were high unique they were designed to fit a very particular knife called an so seal
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2000 these knives were Commando weapons with a 7-in blade and a 5-in black contoured handle they had only been on
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the market for 5 years and were made in the state of Washington by a company called s so specialty
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knives theog seal 2000 was named for the US Navy sales and the one sold with the
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sheaths found at the zanto residents had only been around for the past 10 months this meant detectives were
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looking for two knives purchased within less than the last year unfortunately the knives were widely available in a
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variety of stores and online retailers investigators obtained a list of shops and mail order cataloges that
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sold the knives in New Hampshire as well as the neighboring states of Connecticut
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Vermont Maine and New York they began calling Merchants one by one to ask for their records of s so
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seal 2000 sales since March 2000 detectives also contacted a large number of online retailers requesting
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their sales records roughly two weeks after the murders s so provided them with a
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69-page list of buyers merchants and Distributors where they had shipped knives to during the relevant
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period the list accounted for almost 5,000 knives detectives began the painstaking process
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of going through the list on Wednesday February 14 a detective noticed that a Massachusetts based company called Fox
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Firearms had purchased 124 s so seal 2000 knives which was a far higher number than any other name on the
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list the detective contacted the owner of Fox Firearms and learned he operated an online store out of his home he'd
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received his order of 24 knives the previous June and had so far sold 84 of them he faxed the detective a list of
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all he sales as the detective scanned the list one particular purchase stood out to
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him less than 4 weeks before the zantop murders a buyer who lived just 35 mi from etner had purchased not one but two
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knives the buyer's name was James Parker and he went by the online handle of Jimmy
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Bruce he resided in Chelsea a small town in Vermont almost 35 Mi directly north of
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etner Three Investigators drove immediately to Chelsea to make some inquiries they were stunned to learned
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that James Parker was a high school student and he was just 16 years old just before 700 p.m. on Thursday
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February 15th the investigators pulled up at the address James Parker had supplied when buying the knives it was a
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red A-Frame house situated on a 38 acre lot the detectives knocked on the front door and it was answered by the home's
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owner John Parker the detectives introduced themselves and explained that they were
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there to discuss some knives which his son had bought John Parker invited them in and
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took them through to the kitchen sitting on a stool there was a cleancut teenage boy with spiky dark hair it was
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James whose friends called him Jim one of the detectives explained that they were under no obligation to speak
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with them but both John and James Parker agreed that it would be fine sitting at the kitchen table with
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his father and the three officers James explained that he and his friend Robert tulk had purchased the knives to use
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while camping the two boys loved the outdoors and had dreams of traveling to Colorado and even
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overseas to go rock climbing they thought the knives would be useful for cutting down branches to build
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forts however when they tried using the foot long weapons they found that they were too big so they decided to resell
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them not long after receiving the knives the previous month James and Robert had
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driven to an army goods store in the largest city of Burlington to see if the shopper owner was interested in them he
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wasn't but a customer overheard their conversation and offered the boys $60 per knife the teenagers weren't thrilled
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with the offer as they'd hoped for more than double that but they ultimately agreed when asked what the customer
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looked like James described him as scruffy looking with dark hair either black or brown the man was between 5'9
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and 6 ft tall at first the James said he was in his early 20s but then added he might
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have been in his 30s when asked if he'd heard about the murder of two Dartmouth professors in
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the neighboring state of New Hampshire James said he hadn't the detectives asked if James
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would be willing to provide them with his fingerprints he said he would he and his father accompanied the
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detectives to the local sheriff's office to do so right away James Parker seemed like a nice
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nice young man with a supportive family who'd grown up in a lovely middle class home he was in his second to last year
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of high school with no criminal history and the detectives found it highly unlikely that he could be behind the
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brutal murder of Hoff and Susanna zantop officers paid a visit to James Parker's friend Robert tulk to get his
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version of the knife story they chatted with Robert's parents before meeting the 17-year-old who was 6
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feet tall and lanky he seemed calm and mature for his age while James had appeared slightly
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nervous to be speaking with police Robert was relaxed and articulate he repeated what James had
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told them about the knives but couldn't describe the man who' bought them as James had looked after that Robert
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explained that they hadn't told their parents about buying the two weapons because they knew they wouldn't
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approve Robert told the detectives how he and Jane liked to rock climb they asked if the pair had done any climbing
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lately Robert said he'd recently clambered over a snow bank and had an accident cutting his leg on a metal
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spigot that was jutting out of a maple tree these spigots were used to tap maple trees for syrup which is a big
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industry in Vermont like his friend Robert readily agreed to provide his fingerprints detectives also asked if
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they could take a look at Robert's shoes he showed them two pairs he wore often some Nike sneakers and a pair of vasque
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hiking boots the boots were the same size as those that had left Prince at the zantop
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house prompting detectives to ask if they could take them again Robert agreed he too went to the Sheriff's
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Office to provide his fingerprints then both boys were permitted to return home with their
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parents at around 11: a.m. the following day of Friday February 16 the case's lead investigator received a phone call
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from John Parker James's Father John didn't beat around the bush telling the detective Jimmy's
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gone John and his wife Joan had been woken at around 3:00 a.m. by the sound of James's 1987 silver Audi starting up
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JN and Joan lapped out of dad and ran to the window and called out to their son to stop but he ignored them and drove
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away the couple later discovered a note that James had scribbled and left for them it read I just had to talk to
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Robert alone I will be back in the morning don't call cops this reassured a John and ajan
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somewhat their son had been through a shocking experience the day prior and it made sense he would want to discuss it
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with his friend who was going through the same thing however they had told James he
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shouldn't speak to Robert for the time being and Robert's parents had done the same John decided to head out and go
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looking for the boys he drove around town for an hour but found no trace of them he and Janes spoke with Mike and
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dianic Robert's parents and while they all initially shared the same hope that their sons were just talking together
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somewhere as the hours continued to pass they began to worry Jon eventually made the decision
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to ignore James's request and phone the police the news that the teenagers had taken off came as a shock to detectives
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they had seen no signs that the two had any intention of running away and were still unsure if they were even involved
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in the zantop murders the cut on Robert's leg had seemed suspicious as did his vasque
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boots but the boys hadn't seemed like killers at most they had suspected maybe one of the teenagers was covering for
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someone a search was immediately launched for the teens and word began to spread through the small close-nit
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community of Chelsea that two local boys were wanted by police their high school
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was contacted but no one there had seen Robert or James they hadn't shown up for
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classes that day police warned the principal that if they did show up they should not be
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allowed into the school they should lock the doors and call the police immediately less than 2 years earlier
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the United States had been shocked and forever altered by the Columbine massacre a tragedy in which two friends
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had committed a mass shooting at their high school now facing their own violent crime perpetrated by a pair of teenage
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boys New Hampshire investigators were scared of what might happen next but friends and teachers of the
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boys couldn't understand why they would be sought by law enforcement the worst they could imagine
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was that Robert and James had maybe done something online like posted a joke that
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was misinterpreted James Parker had an active happy childhood with his parents and older sister he loved to build forts
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go fishing play basketball and ride his dirt bike he lost interest in playing organized Sports as he got older instead
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becoming interested in music he also wanted to stand out and could be a bit of a showof or Class
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Clown James was intelligent but he found School boring and began dreaming of living a bigger life in some place more
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exciting than Chelsea he became friends with Robert TK in middle school after Robert's family
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relocated to Vermont from Florida even though Robert was one year older than James and in another class
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they had the same loud talkative energy and outdoorsy interest s the two became even closer as they got older spending
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more time together without other friends one of their favorite ways to pass the time was rock
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climbing by mid 2000 it was obvious to everyone that the pair were best friends those who knew them said that
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Robert was the leader of the two and the younger James seemed to be more of a follower but it had never seemed UNT war
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or toxic both boys were bright and doing quite well in school James was a talented musician and a drama student as
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well as a well-liked Class Clown Robert was a gifted member of the school's debate team and had been
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elected student council president in fact he was so far ahead on his credits that he was on track to graduating high
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school without having to attend many of his senior year classes neither boy was interested in
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partying drinking or drugs the only criticism some people had of them was that they seemed to think they were
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smarter than everyone else something strange that had happened recently was that the two boys had
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abruptly taken off on an impromptu road trip on the morning of Wednesday January
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31 4 days after the xenops were murdered that night James had called his parents to tell them he and Robert had
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caught a bus into State he wouldn't say where they were headed the next morning he called began
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to say they were in St Louis Missouri but they wanted to come home their parents booked them flights
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back to New Hampshire when friends grilled them about the trip all they would say was that they'd intended to go
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rock climbing in Colorado investigators kept a watch over the teenagers parents and homes by late
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afternoon they received word that James Parker's fingerprints matched a print found on one of the knife sheet found in
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the zantop home this confirmed that the knives the teenagers had bought were the same ones
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used to murder the professors detectives secured search warrants for the Parker and tulic homes
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and later that night two separate teams of forensic investigators headed to each
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house the primary focus was on the teenagers bedrooms Robert tulk's room was upstairs
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alone in the front corner of the house clothed were strewn across the floor along with a mattress there was also a
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closet a chair and a bookshelf rock climbing equipment was attached to one wall investigators seized books pieces
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of paper computers and items of clothing one investigator noticed a cardboard box on the floor in a corner
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next to a small bin a few notebooks and writing pads lay on top of the box the investigators moved the notebooks aside
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and opened up the box inside was a large stash of comic books lying on top of the comics were
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two items almost entirely wrapped in Fabric and duct tape but a portion of the items were
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exposed the black handles of two s so SE 2000 knives the knives were subsequently
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unwrapped one had been taken up inside a sock and the other was inside a mitten there appear to be blood stains on the
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blades testing would later confirm that the blood belonged to Susanna zantop by now the story of the two
00:35:15
fugitive teens was big news across New England a massive search was underway across the
00:35:22
region an off-duty officer near Sturbridge in Massachusetts recall giving directions to two young men who
00:35:28
matched the teen's description at a gas station before news of their fugitive status had broken this prompted
00:35:36
investigators to focus on the Sturbridge area late on Saturday February 17 a massachusett State Trooper was keeping a
00:35:45
lookout for any sign of the runaway teens during his shift at a truck stop in Sturbridge he noticed a silver Audi
00:35:52
parked in the lot that was covered in snow indicating it had been there a while it also had a Vermont license
00:36:00
plate worried that the teenagers might be hiding inside the trooper cautiously approached the
00:36:07
vehicle the license plate details matched Jim Parker's Audi but aside from some belongings and crackers spread
00:36:15
across the seats it was empty it appeared that the boys had abandoned it shortly after running away and found
00:36:23
another way to keep fleeing Rowdy Kyle Tucker was a 30-some truck driver from Alabama who'd stopped for a
00:36:36
bite to eat at the Sturbridge truck stop on the evening of Friday February 16 he was accompanied by his wife Nancy
00:36:44
who was helping Rowdy out with the drive the couple noticed two teenage boys carrying backpacks and begging for
00:36:51
a ride from other truckers Nancy was Keen to help them out Rowdy agreed and they offered the
00:36:58
young men a lift in their 1999 white Peterbuilt truck which had green Flames painted on the Bonnet the teenagers
00:37:06
introduced themselves as Sam and Tyler and said they were planning to hitchhike all the way to Southern California in
00:37:12
search of work the Tuckers empathized with the two young men and Nancy even offered to give
00:37:19
them the number of her sister in California in case they needed help when they got there the couple took them as
00:37:26
far as Colombia new Jersey which was a distance of 220 mi from where they'd picked them up they reached the Columbia
00:37:34
truck stop in the middle of the afternoon on Saturday February 17 before dropping them off and
00:37:40
continuing on their way the Tuckers let Sam and Tyler used their CB radio to ask
00:37:45
if any other truckers in the area could give them a lift one trucker named James Hicks
00:37:52
responded saying he didn't think he could offer a ride but the teenagers were welcome to hang out in his trucks
00:37:57
cab if they needed somewhere warm to rest until they found one they accepted his
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offer James was watching his satellite television when they got in and a news report came on about two Vermont
00:38:09
teenagers On The Run who were wanted for questioning in relation to a double murder the teenagers asked James to
00:38:17
switch over to the Weather Channel and he obliged the teens were clearly exhausted
00:38:23
and soon fell asleep James felt s sorry for them he had three teenage sons of his own one of
00:38:31
whom had died just 4 months earlier in a motorbike accident it went against company policy
00:38:37
to pick up hitchhikers and James had never done so before but he decided he'd give these boys a lift after
00:38:45
all he was headed west which was the general direction the young men wanted to go they left New Jersey on Sunday
00:38:53
morning as they headed towards a truck stop in Spiceland in Indiana James used his CB radio to put a call out for
00:39:01
anyone who could take the teens from here his final destination was North in Chicago but the teenagers wanted to keep
00:39:08
going west can anybody give a ride to two boys who want to go to California James
00:39:16
asked he added that he'd picked up the young Hitchhikers in New Jersey after a brief moment a reply
00:39:23
crackled through sure I can said a man's voice it was 3:45 a.m. on Monday February 19 when James hicks's truck
00:39:36
pulled into the Spiceland truck stop he'd agreed with the other trucker to drop the teenagers off at the fuel desk
00:39:44
as James said goodbye to Sam and Tyler he handed over a $10 note and told them to use it to buy some
00:39:51
breakfast the teens clambered out of James's truck and stood by the fuel pumps waiting for their red to their
00:39:59
surprise two deputies from a local sheriff's department approached instead they separated the young men and
00:40:06
began speaking to them separately asking them for their names birthdays and identification neither had ID on them
00:40:16
one said his name was Tyler J Jones when asked what the J stood for he paused noticeably before stating Jeffrey
00:40:27
the other boy said his date of birth was March 40 1982 before clarifying that he
00:40:33
meant March 30 then a message came over the deputy's dispatch radio which included the name
00:40:40
Robert tulk upon hearing this the boy who'd claimed to be Sam said it's me you are looking for you've
00:40:50
got us after James Parker's silver Audi was found at a Sturbridge truck stop in Massachusetts investigators had reviewed
00:41:04
CCTV footage from the location it showed James Parker and Robert tulk climbing into a white 1999
00:41:11
Peterbuilt truck with green flames on the Bonnet they traced the truck to its company which led them to Rowdy Kyle and
00:41:19
Nancy taker because detectives weren't sure if the teenagers were still traveling with
00:41:24
the couple or not they didn't try calling Rowdy cell phone for fear of spooking them instead they tracked the
00:41:31
truck via a global positioning system when the couple stopped in Pennsylvania for arrest investigators
00:41:39
swooped they learned that the Tuckers had already dropped off the boys at a stop in New Jersey where they'd met up
00:41:45
with a trucker heading west meanwhile Sergeant Bill Ward of the Henry County Sheriff's Department in
00:41:53
Indiana was following the case he'd heard a news report about about the fugitive teens and how they were
00:41:59
supposedly fleeing West Sergeant Ward thought that might make it likely that they'd passed through his jurisdiction
00:42:06
on their way as the busy East West Highway Interstate 70 cut right through the county during a shift Sergeant Ward
00:42:15
decided to patrol the nearby Flying J truck stop and to keep an ear out on his radio for any CB
00:42:22
chatter he heard James hix's request for someone to offer two teenage boys a lift
00:42:28
without hesitating Sergeant Ward replied sure I can then he put in a call for backup and waited for the truck to
00:42:38
arrive the Sergeant's hunch proved correct and the two teens turned out to be the fugitives he was looking
00:42:45
for after seeing the depuy's Handcuff James and Robert then placed them in their Cruisers trucker James Hicks
00:42:52
approached he asked why they were being arrested and was told that they wanted for
00:42:58
murder angered by this Revelation James told the deputies that he'd given the teens $10 for breakfast but now he
00:43:06
wanted it back the deputies retrieved it for him a press conference was soon held to
00:43:18
notify the public that the suspects and the zantop murders had been apprehended but when asked by
00:43:24
journalists what the motive for the crime was detectives still didn't have an answer ABC News had reported that
00:43:32
detectives found books related to white supremacy and Nazism in Robert tulk's bedroom the xenops had always been
00:43:40
outspoken in their belief that their native of Germany should make amends for the Holocaust and its Nazi
00:43:47
past reporters speculated whether the teenagers had chosen the couple because of their political beliefs but
00:43:53
detectives had found no evidence of that James Parker and Robert tck were taken to the Henry County Jail in Indiana
00:44:03
rather than hold the teenagers with the other inmates James was taken to an interview room and Robert was held in a
00:44:09
wait room both cried heavily for hours under guidance from his parents and their lawyer Jim didn't speak to
00:44:19
investigators Robert was taken to speak with an FBI agent and sobbed throughout the interrogation saying if it was
00:44:27
pretty easy to throw my life away at one point he repeated the words I'm so sorry Jim I'm so sorry Jim over
00:44:35
and over but he said nothing about the crimes he was in custody for both teenagers agreed to wave
00:44:45
extradition and voluntarily return to New Hampshire back in Chelsea their parents
00:44:51
were interviewed by investigators all four of them told detectives that they had no idea hear
00:44:57
who Hoff and Susanna zantop were and knew of no reason why their sons would murder them as far as they were aware
00:45:05
there was no connection between Jim and Robert and the couple the teenagers families found it
00:45:12
impossible to believe they were involved even when they leared that the knives used to kill the couple were found in
00:45:18
Robert's room a bootprint recovered at the scene also matched Robert's left boot despite popular opinion that the
00:45:28
teenagers had always been well behaved investigators discovered this wasn't their first brush with the
00:45:34
law almost a year earlier in April of 2000 a Chelsea resident named Robin mix had returned home to find Jim Robert and
00:45:43
two other boys in his basement cooking spaghetti and watching a movie it turned out the boys were
00:45:50
friends with Robin's twin daughters who had invited them over when the teens arrived at the house no one was home but
00:45:58
one of the doors was unlocked so they let themselves in and stayed all afternoon Robin wasn't happy about the
00:46:06
intrusion but he didn't report the incident however a few months later there was another similar
00:46:13
situation Jim Robert and some of their friends let themselves into the home of another classmate whose family was on
00:46:21
vacation they later said they did so was a prank nothing was taken from the house
00:46:28
and when the family found out about it like Robin mix they were reluctant to report it but when the property's owner
00:46:35
who rented the house to the family heard about the matter she phoned the police the teenagers were subsequently
00:46:43
referred to a court diversion program for juveniles which they completed they were also questioned in
00:46:50
relation to a series of other break-ins in the area but weren't charged for any even though these incidents pointed
00:46:57
to a pattern of misbehavior they were nothing like the grizzly scene discovered at the zantop
00:47:07
residence a few months later in June of 2001 A sheriff's deputy was transferring
00:47:13
an inmate from Grafton County Jail to a different County where he was being charged with passing bad checks and
00:47:20
forgery the two chattered as they drove with the inmate whose nickname was Ranger telling the deputy about how he'd
00:47:27
ended up in jail Ranger added that he'd been housed in a Cell close to Robert tulk who was
00:47:33
being held on remand until it was time for him to face trial for the Dartmouth murders the deputy told Ranger that the
00:47:40
double homicide was a shame and said that while the evidence against the two suspects was strong investigators still
00:47:47
hadn't figured out what their motive could have been Ranger told the deputy that not
00:47:54
only had Robert admitted to committing the crime he had told him what the motive
00:47:59
was apparently it was because Robert had never killed anyone before and quote he
00:48:06
was nervous and wanted to get a few under his belt as for why the xenops were chosen
00:48:13
that had been totally random Robert and Jim had initially intended to attack the couple's Nextdoor
00:48:20
neighbors but they hadn't been home Ranger also mentioned that the only thing the teenagers had taken from the
00:48:27
scene was Hoff xanto's wallet the deputy passed the information on to a member of the team handling the
00:48:34
zantop case who was immediately struck by Rangers Revelations it was true that the only
00:48:41
item missing from the zantop residence was Hoff's wallet and that information had been withheld from the
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public a meeting with Ranger was arranged where he shared more insight into the crime apparently Robert had told Ranger
00:48:57
that he and Jim had gained access to the xanto's home by pretending they were conducting an environmental survey for a
00:49:04
school project they'd already tried this ruse sometime earlier on another intended
00:49:09
victim in Rochester Vermont but he had turned them away Hoff zantop however was a geologist
00:49:17
and Earth Sciences Professor so the topic was right up his alley he'd welcomed the two young men into his home
00:49:24
and taken them to his study to chat while Susanna prepared lunch in the kitchen Ranger also elaborated on the
00:49:33
motive as well as wanting to practice killing someone Robert and Jim had wanted money that's why they'd chosen a
00:49:41
neighborhood near Dartmouth which was wealthy and home to people who were relaxed about home
00:49:47
security but after they had murdered the xops they panicked and left the house without taking anything other than
00:49:54
Hoff's wallet r had asked Robert whether the crime was his idea or Jim's Robert said
00:50:01
it was kind of mutual but described the dynamic between the two friends as one where he called the shots and Jim went
00:50:09
along this matched what those who knew the teenagers had said about their relationship Ranger also provided
00:50:16
details about the crime scene that could have only come from someone with firsthand knowledge of it
00:50:26
Rangers Insight gave investigators the closure they needed regarding a motive and they finally stopped trying to find
00:50:33
a link between the killers and their victims Robert tulk was old enough to be charged as an adult under New Hampshire
00:50:40
state law but Jim Parker who was 16 at the time of the murders was a juvenile nevertheless the severity of the crime
00:50:47
led to prosecutors charging him as an adult as well Jim's attorneys pushed back against
00:50:54
this and the matter went to court ultimately the prosecution won out following this Jim Parker's defense
00:51:02
team wanted to make a play deal in early December 2001 Jim Parker agreed to plead guilty to being an
00:51:11
accomplice to second degree murder he would be sentenced to 25 years to life state law would allow him to later apply
00:51:20
for a sentence reduction meaning he may only have to serve a minimum of 16 years
00:51:25
and 8 months in exchange he agreed to testify against Robert tulk at trial and tell
00:51:32
investigators everything they wanted to know Jim Parker spent 5 hours giving a detailed
00:51:41
confession over time his and Robert's friendship had become increasingly insular the two teenagers felt a sense
00:51:49
of superiority over everyone else believing themselves much smarter than their peers in a school paper Robert described
00:51:57
himself as having a Divine intellect in one of his class papers Jim wrote that if he had to have a letter
00:52:04
burnt under his chest it would be the letter i for incredible the boys dreamt of escaping
00:52:11
Vermont but they weren't Satisfied by the thought of leaving for college Robert thought higher education was a
00:52:18
waste of time and led to a boring life of Conformity and 9-to-5 careers he and Jim wanted to go fur
00:52:26
further a field they talked about traveling to Italy or France before settling on
00:52:32
Australia Australia was appealing because the people there spoke English but it still seemed exotic to them there
00:52:40
were also lots of outdoorsy things for them to do and a variety of climates to explore gradually their conversations
00:52:49
about travel evolved into actual plans they speculated about how much money they would need to live overseas
00:52:56
and came up with a budget they thought that $10,000 would be enough to cover their plane tickets
00:53:02
and to support them for one year Robert began trying to think of easy ways they could raise the cash
00:53:09
quickly all of the ideas he came up with involved criminal activity they began stealing mail in
00:53:17
search of credit cards but gave up after 15 attempts with no results Robert suggested they steal ATM
00:53:24
machines or rubber Bank the plans evolved to the point where the friends visited some banks together to
00:53:31
sus them out but they abandoned the idea Robert and Jim continued to double with criminal activity they discussed
00:53:41
carjacking a vehicle and robbing its occupants after talking about stealing a car to go for a joy ride for some time
00:53:48
Robert gradually convinced a gym to give it a go the pair came across a truck at a
00:53:54
quarry they liked to drive to some sometimes which was unattended with its key in the ignition the pair drove it
00:54:01
around for a bit before leaving it at the Quarry and going back home they returned to the Quarry another
00:54:08
day to do the same thing but this time a quarry worker found them Jim managed to
00:54:13
jump out and hide without being seen but Robert who was behind the wheel got caught the police gave him a verbal
00:54:21
warning but that was it in late May 20 they stole an allterrain vehicle that was parked at a residence then hid it in
00:54:31
some Woods near Jim's house and listed it for sale on the online Commerce site eBay but no one wanted to buy it without
00:54:39
registration [Music] papers months passed and the teenagers made no progress in their plans Robert
00:54:50
began to grow frustrated one day while driving around with the gym he suggested they break
00:54:57
into a house and steal something they had entered other people's homes without permission before on the two occasions
00:55:04
they'd gone into the residences of school friends with other boys as they drove through the streets
00:55:10
looking for a place to break into they spotted an elderly couple Robert suggested they rob the couple saying
00:55:17
they could use rocks to bash their heads and then we take their money and run Jim said no telling Robert theyd get
00:55:27
caught but the seed was planted and Robert began to talk more often about how easy it would be to rob people then
00:55:34
kill them to prevent being identified over several weeks he talked to Jim into the
00:55:41
plan at first the idea was to attack people out on the street but eventually they decided it would be safer to Target
00:55:48
them at home that way no one else would see them they would Tor their way into a
00:55:55
house by claiming their car had broken down and they needed to use a phone then they would tie up at the residence they
00:56:02
would steal their ATM and credit cards before killing them and dumping their bodies in a pre-dug
00:56:08
grave because neither of them had ever been violent towards anyone before Robert said they should practice taking
00:56:15
a life he suggested he kill his pet dog Ruby Robert thought Ruby was stupid and Jim had seen him hit her before
00:56:26
but he rejected Robert's idea believing they should only kill for financial gain
00:56:31
and to not take an innocent animal's life for the sake of it finally on the evening of Wednesday
00:56:38
July 19 2000 Robert and Jim decided they were ready to try out their plan they went to an abandoned house
00:56:46
outside of town that they liked to hang out at sometimes and dug a large grave they changed into Commando
00:56:53
clothing they had purchased from army surplus stores and slid knives into their boots they also packed a backpack
00:57:01
with the duct tape and rope then they headed to a house just down the road it was a holiday house that
00:57:09
belonged to a couple from New York so it was off and empty but on this particular
00:57:14
night the owner Andrew was staying there with their young son Robert and Jim arrived at the house
00:57:22
just after 10 p.m. Robert used a wire cut to cut the Home's phone lines while Jim hid in some
00:57:29
bushes wearing a ski mask then Robert knocked loudly and urgently on the front door Andrew's face appeared at a window
00:57:38
next to the door and he asked what Robert wanted I have car trouble can you help
00:57:44
me out Robert replied Andrew was suspicious and told Robert no Robert asked if he had jumper cables
00:57:54
and repeatedly pleaded to be let in to use the phone Andrew refused certain that the
00:58:00
tall teenager was up to no good when Robert continued to stand there Andrew brought his right hand out
00:58:08
from behind his back he was holding a 9mm Glock pistol that he always carried with
00:58:15
him at the sight of the gun Robert stated whoa whoa whoa whoa I just wanted to use your
00:58:22
phone but he didn't seem scared and didn't leave Thief Andrew said he would call a local
00:58:29
garage for him Robert enthusiastically encouraged him to do so right away Andrew went to dial the number and
00:58:38
found the phone was dead realizing that the teenager outside must have cut the wires Andrew suspected
00:58:46
that now he would be lying in wait for Andrew to go outside and checked the phone
00:58:51
line instead Andrew sat low on the living room floor with his son and his pistol on high alert for any noise
00:58:59
indicating that Robert might be breaking in but none ever [Music] came after Andrew had made it clear that
00:59:10
he was armed and had no intention of letting Robert in Robert and Jim gave up on their plan that night but they
00:59:18
weren't deterred in the long term a few months went by and Robert continued to plot
00:59:26
by January of 2001 they felt ready to try again on New Year's Day they placed an online order for two soog seal 2000
00:59:35
combat knives they also came up with an alternative ruse instead of one pretending their car had broken down
00:59:43
while the other hid in the bushes they would knock on the front door together during broader
00:59:49
daylight they'd say they were conducting an environmental survey for a school project figuring people would be less
00:59:56
spooked by Clean Cut high school students in the middle of the day on Saturday January 20 2001 Jim
01:00:04
Parker borrowed his mother's green Subaru then he and Robert drove to a nice neighborhood in Granville
01:00:11
Vermont they chose the biggest house on a street called North Hollow Road which sat at the top of a hill they went up to
01:00:19
the front door and knocked it was answered by an older man the teenagers asked if they could
01:00:27
interview him for an environmental survey the man abruptly refused saying he was too busy and shut the
01:00:35
door Robert and Jim were frustrated by yet another failure but they refused to give
01:00:42
up they decided they'd try again but next time they target a whole new area Hanover a New Hampshire was only a
01:00:51
40-minute drive from Chelsea and was home to wealthy people who might fall for their story also they had no
01:00:59
connection to the area and as they lived in the next state over there would be nothing to tie them to the
01:01:06
crime a week later on Saturday January 27 Robert and Jim set out again after they arrived on leafy
01:01:15
trescot road just outside of Hanover they tried one house but no one was home so they decided to try the next door
01:01:24
neighbors Hoff is zantop had opened the door to his home and was very friendly he seemed interested in their survey and
01:01:32
invited the teenagers inside taking them to his study Robert began asking questions
01:01:38
while Jim pretended to take notes they hadn't prepared a proper survey so most of Robert's questions were made up on
01:01:45
the spot but Hoff was patient and helpful about 10 minutes into their conversation Jim Parker was struck by
01:01:55
how nice Hoff was and began to rethink their plan as Robert wrapped up the interview Hoff offered him some
01:02:02
constructive criticism saying you need to be more prepared he offered to put them in touch
01:02:09
with a friend who might be able to help them improve their survey and when he turned to his desk to look for the phone
01:02:15
number Robert struck he pulled out one of the knives they' brought and when Hoff turned
01:02:21
around he stabbed him in the chest Hoff screamed and fell to the floor where Robert continued to stab him
01:02:31
Hoff's wife Susanna came running in from the kitchen when she saw Robert lying on
01:02:36
top of her husband stabbing him she began screaming too and tried to grab at Robert Jim grabbed Susanna and pulled
01:02:44
her away telling her to shut up then Robert told Jim to slit suzanna's throat and he
01:02:53
did during the Frid attack Rob sustained a deep cut to one leg the teenagers hadn't remembered to threaten their
01:03:02
victims into handing over the pins for their debit cards but there was $340 cash in Hoff's wallet which they
01:03:09
stole in the rush to leave their house they left their knife sheaths behind on the drive home they realized their
01:03:18
mistake later that evening they decided to go back for the sheaths but when they
01:03:23
drove past the xanto's house they saw police cruisers parked [Music] outside after all their plotting to
01:03:35
commit the perfect crime the error of leaving the knife sheaths behind LED detectives to Jim Parker and Robert tulk
01:03:42
within 3 weeks it has been speculated that Hoff ano's constructive criticism of Robert tulik was what led to Robert
01:03:50
abruptly and violently attacking him the plan had been to tie up their victims to
01:03:55
obtain Bank details but Robert seemingly became angry after being told he needed
01:04:01
to be better prepared those who knew him have described other incidents in his life
01:04:06
where he lashed out aggressively out of wounded Pride most of the money stolen from the
01:04:12
xenops was spent during their two failed attempts to go on the run while Jim Parker agreed to a ple
01:04:19
deal Robert tulk's attorneys were preparing to argue he was not guilty by reason of insanity
01:04:26
a psychiatrist hired by Robert's defense diagnosed him with bipolar disorder and
01:04:31
the defense said he'd been in the middle of an extreme manic episode that turned
01:04:35
into psychosis at the time of the murders Robert's family were opposed to this strategy as it would require them
01:04:43
to testify in extreme detail about private family matters there was huge public interest in the case and the
01:04:50
trial was going to be a media circus those who knew Robert were also doubt about his diagnosis saying that
01:04:57
he'd never displayed any signs of manic episodes let alone psychosis after Robert found out Jim
01:05:04
would testify against him he realized he was unlikely to win his case on Friday April 5th 2002 he pleaded guilty to two
01:05:14
counts of first-degree murder and was sentenced to life without the possibility of
01:05:20
Parole in their Victim Impact statement Veronica and Mariana anop reflect Ed on how tragic it was that their parents
01:05:28
generous natures and love of teaching had been taken advantage of by their Killers Veronica stated
01:05:35
quote my father's name was Hoff which in German means to help my father lived up
01:05:42
to his name that their desire to help to teach and to open their home to Perfect
01:05:49
Strangers was abused in such a horrific way makes their deaths seem like the greatest violation
01:05:56
rather than focus on the inhumanity and monstrosity and the sheer stupidity of their brutal and senseless deaths I've
01:06:04
tried to console Myself by trying to perpetuate the essence of my parents two people with true open-heartedness and
01:06:11
generosity who fought for positive change and my sister and I will continue that
01:06:20
fight as Robert tulk listened to this statement he stared directly at both wom with a blank
01:06:27
expression later that afternoon Veronica and Mariana read the statement again at
01:06:32
Jim Parker's sentencing unlike his friend Jim rocked back and forth and began to cry as he
01:06:40
listened he subsequently asked permission to speak it took him almost a minute before
01:06:47
he managed to get out the words I'm sorry there's not much more I can say than that
01:06:55
Jim Parker and Robert tulk were initially sent to different prisons but later both began to serve at the New
01:07:01
Hampshire state prison for men they were held in different areas of the facility
01:07:06
and not permitted contact with one another in 2012 the United States Supreme Court ruled that it was
01:07:13
unconstitutional to sentence offenders who committed crimes as juveniles to life imprisonment without
01:07:19
parole consequently Robert tulk became one of five inmates in the state of New Hampshire who was eligible for
01:07:27
resentencing his resentencing hearing is scheduled to take place in July of 2024 in April of 2024 James Parker was
01:07:37
granted parole Veronica zantop spoke with the Valley news about the development stating that while she misses her
01:07:45
parents deeply she isn't motivated by revenge against their Killers quote since it happened I've become a
01:07:54
mother I've become a psych iatrist and I realized that the world is complex and teenagers are
01:08:00
complex and maybe some of the thoughts I had at the time have changed in terms of
01:08:06
compassion for his family and even him at age 16 doing something terrible Veronica said that neither She
01:08:15
nor her sister felt it was their place to decide whether James Parker should receive
01:08:19
perole they had already acknowledged the trauma his crime had created and felt that maybe he should have the chance to
01:08:26
make something of his life adding I wish James's family the best and hope that they are able to
01:08:36
heal the Legacy left by Hoff and Susanna zantop lives on at the Dartmouth College every year the university holds
01:08:45
a comparative literature lecture in Susanna's honor a garden named for the couple was also planted near the heart
01:08:52
of the campus between a school chapel and a hall it features trees Ferns and perennial
01:08:59
flowers and was designed as a place where students and staff could go for contemplation and
01:09:05
Remembrance it lives as a permanent reminder of Hoff and Susanna Zeno's passion for justice learning and
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community [Music] [Music] for