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The dark side of Wall Street romance

November 19, 2018 / 01:20:37

This episode covers the tumultuous life of Diane Whitmore, her marriage to Joseph Michael, and the events leading to her tragic death. Key discussions include Diane's struggles with relationships, her battle with alcoholism, and Joe's violent behavior.

Diane, born in South Bend, Indiana, faced a challenging childhood marked by asthma and feelings of isolation. After moving to New York, she entered a series of tumultuous relationships, including a marriage to Ralph Shuckin Berg, which ended in turmoil. Her life took a turn when she met Joseph Michael at Alcoholics Anonymous.

Joseph Michael, a former Wall Street stockbroker with a troubled past, exhibited controlling and violent behavior throughout their relationship. Despite initial hopes for a stable life, Diane faced increasing abuse, leading her to contemplate divorce.

The episode details the events surrounding Diane's disappearance in October 1987, including Joe's suspicious actions and the eventual discovery of Diane's body. The investigation revealed Joe's violent tendencies and culminated in his arrest for her murder.

Listeners learn about the subsequent custody battle for Diane's children and the impact of Joe's actions on their lives. The episode highlights the complexities of domestic abuse and the challenges faced by victims.

TLDR

Diane Whitmore's life spirals into tragedy due to her abusive marriage to Joseph Michael, culminating in her murder and a custody battle for their children.

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[Music] New York is a hub for business finance fashion technology entertainment art and
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is commonly recognized as the city that never sleeps Diane Whitmore always dreamed of making
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it in New York and when she met Wall Street stockbroker Joseph Michael she thought she was on the way to the
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perfect life she had always dreamed but her marriage to Joe wasn't perfect far from
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[Music] [Music] doyon Whitmore was born in the small city of South Bend Indiana on the 20th
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of May 1943 her parents were Don Whitmore and Jane Whitmore from a young age Diane suffered
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from asthma and was restricted to bed a lot so she read a lot of books her favorite novels were the Nancy Drew
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collection in which a teenage girl would solve crimes what attracted Diane the most to Nancy Drew was that her
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character was strong sophisticated and a prodigy in many aspects at the age of 12
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Diane moved with her parents to Birmingham a suburb of Detroit they spent two years there during which Diane
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felt extremely uncomfortable as if she didn't belong it was a miserable time of her childhood in 57 the family moved to
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North Plainfield New Jersey Diane fit right in there and was much happier she finished school as one of
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the top students in her class Diane transferred to University Mary Washington in Virginia before
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transferring to me on Holyoke College in Massachusetts where she studied English
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she met Doug Johnston in 1964 who was a student from Yale they quickly became engaged but Diane broke it off
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the following year that same year she finished the college and went to work at a bank in San Francisco for the summer
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before moving to New York where she had always dreamed of living Diane graduated from college with
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recommendations so had no problem in getting a job as the secretary to Eleanor graves one of the editors at
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Life magazine Diane first lived in an apartment in Upper East Side with three other women she'd met through a roommate
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service in 1967 Diane became a hippie and started dating a string of wrong men they included a drug dealer a gang
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leader and a married man in 69 Diane left New York and went on tour with her cousin Tommy who had a band called
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Tommy James and the Shondells she traveled to many different places and took odd jobs before ending up back in
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New York in 1970 in 71 Diane got a job at the new parks department as an administrative
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assistant to the commissioner that same year she entered into a relationship with Ralph shuckin Berg a
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photojournalist she'd met while working at Life magazine Diane also started to drink alcohol heavily the relationship
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with Ralph was turbulent in 75 Diane sent Ralph a letter where she expressed she wanted them both dead this scared
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Ralph however he still decided to marry her their marriage occurred on the 29th of
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June 75 one week into the marriage Ralph saw Diane opening letters addressed the
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him Ralph said if you do that again I'll push you out the window Diane was terrified she called her
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father dawn in tears who sent her money to get an annulment in early 78 Diane decided to do
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something about her drinking problem she started Alcoholics Anonymous and that's where she met joseph michael
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joseph michael was born in where a small town in the hampshire county of massachusetts in 1934 his family was
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both very poor and a very religious it said they had so few toys for joseph and his sister Janice that they had to play
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with buttons from their mothers sewing box Joe's father was an alcoholic and used Joe as his personal punching bag
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he was also allegedly a Nazi follow up after finishing school Joe took two jobs he was a construction worker by day and
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a gravedigger by night after one year and with the help of a scholarship he was able to pay his way into
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Northeastern University in Boston where he shared an apartment with a friend Henry saw Oscar at the age of 20 he had
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a blind date with a girl named Sandra Java Ninh Sandra said Joe was very driven had three jobs at the time and
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won her over by being funny charming and smart she knew he was going to be successful
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they started a relationship and had a lot of fun together however when Sandra organized the
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holiday with her friends Joe made a scene he showcased possessive controlling behavior Sandra's parents
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didn't like him they thought he was someone who always got his own way and considered him to be somewhat of a
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dreamer he had big plans of financial success which Sandra's parents thought were unrealistic in 1959 Joe graduated
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second in his university class and got a scholarship offer for the MBA programs at Columbia and Wharton universities Joe
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rejected the scholarships and paid his own way into Harvard during the summer he married Sandra at a Catholic Church
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in Boston there was a small ceremony Sandra's parents didn't attend they had a short honeymoon in québec Canada and
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returned soon after so Joe could studies classes at Harvard one year later Joe suffered a bad knee injury and his
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doctor recommended taking one year off so Joe had to leave Harvard he found a job managing high-risk funds and started
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to drink heavily Joe and Sandra then opened their own security analysis firm called argent they traveled all over the
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country looking for potential clients and in the late 60s they were handling 18 million dollars in assets they
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received a commission of 10 percent with that success they were able to start living comfortably they rented a duplex
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penthouse in Greenwich Village New York and bought a country house in Monterey Massachusetts their financial
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partnership was flourishing however their actual relationship was crumbling when Joe drank he had a tendency for
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violence and would damage property the next day he'd buy Sandra flowers and acts sweet like nothing had happened in
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the beginning these violent outbursts weren't targeted at Sandra however over time Joe started to throw things at her
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and two men threatened to kill her Sandra spent a weekend at the country house they owned in Monterey she
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returned home early and walked in on Joe having sex with another woman when Sandra had a go at Joe about his affair
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he hit her in the back of the head with a sculpture Sandra fell to the floor bleeding Joe left her there and went
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back to sleep as if nothing had happened Sandra lost consciousness and when she woke up she drove to her parents house
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she had to stop several times along the way to throw up when she was seen by a doctor he didn't believe Joe had hit her
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the doctor said come on you fell off a horse didn't you by 1970 Sandra couldn't take anymore
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and moved out she rented a house in Massachusetts she told Joe she wanted a divorce which
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resulted in her trying to get a restraining order due to his threats to kill her Joe state was getting worse and
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worse he was now doing cocaine and amphetamines kept several guns in his office and continued to repeatedly
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threatened Sandra's life Joe had several limousine drivers who shared stories with each other one of them said Joe had
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asked to be driven to a desolate area and once there he pinned a picture of Sandra against the tree and shot at it
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until there wasn't anything left another driver said Joe got into his limo with Sandra they got driven to a
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desolate area and once there Joe dug a grave and told Sandra that's where he'd put her a third driver said he picked a
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jart from his office one night when Joe got in the limo he pointed a gun at the driver and accused him of having an
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affair with Sandra he forced him to write a letter stating he had been having an affair and it was now ready to
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commit suicide the driver managed to escape this ordeal and needed to go to hospital as Joe had walked him over the
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head with his gun repeatedly he made a complaint to the police however the charges were later dropped
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as he refused to testify the divorce between Joe and Sandra became final on the 2nd of January 1974 few months later
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Joe was arrested for DUI drugs and a shotgun were also found in his car after their divorce Joe and Sandra's
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company argent was closed down Joe started to heavily abuse alcohol and by the end of 1975 he had lost it all he
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had no money and was practically living homeless he decided he needed help and entered Alcoholics Anonymous he also got
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an entry-level job at a Wall Street research firm Argus a primary rule for AAE members is not to form any new
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romances or make any major life decisions in the first year of sobriety Joe had already been in a a for two
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years when he met Diane Whitmore it was her first meeting he was 43 she was 34 their first date was in early 78 they
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had their first argument on their second day Joe spat on Diane during this argument even though she considered him
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crazy Diane was fascinated by Joe she thought he was someone who had endless potential
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and she continued to see him a few months into their relationship Diane felt pregnant her friends thought
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it wasn't such a good idea to have a baby with the man she had just met but Dorian didn't take their advice she
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started making marriage plans they rented an apartment in Greenwich Village for $600 a month at this time Joe was
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making $50,000 a year and Diane was still working at the New York Parks Department Joe didn't like Diane working
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though and he asked her to quit she did and in June when Joe met Diane's father Don for the first time he told him your
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daughter won't have to work anymore I'll be able to take care of her don't like to Joe for that both he and Diane not
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only believed Joe they also thought it wouldn't be long until he was extremely successful Joe and Diane married on the
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14th of July 1978 soon after Joe went into a rage and smashed all of the China that belonged
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to Diane's mother who had since passed away he also accused her of cheating on him
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throughout her entire pregnancy their baby daughter Claudia was born on the 1st of February 1979 after her birth Joe
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left his job at Argus for a betta painting one at a Wall Street investment bank and fund management company in
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October 79 Dorian sent a letter to a friend which said she was thinking about leaving Joe because of his tantrums
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the next month she sent another letter to the same friend saying forget what she had said things were getting better
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by 1980 both of them had dropped out of AAA and rumors started that Joe was beating
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dying in at various times Joe would wake Diane up in the middle of the night tell
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her she was a piece of [ __ ] and that she'd never be anything sometimes he also threatened to lock her
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in the bathroom for the entire night in the winter of 81 Diane's father Don visited them during this visit Diane
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said Joe's always boiling up for me he insults me he mistreats me I don't think it's ever going to get any better I'm
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thinking of leaving him Don responded Diane stick with it if you can you've got a young child you don't just run and
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get a divorce at the spur of the moment besides he's beginning to make money that'll probably make him treat you
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better in the summer of 81 they bought a weekend house in Amagansett in the Hamptons
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Long Island by 82 Joe was starting to have increasing success on Wall Street by seeing the potential in small
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scandinavian stocks Joe and Diane returned to AAA and Joe became the treasurer he also became the sponsor to
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several new starters Joe was thought to be a nice person and Diane was viewed as
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elegant and strong nobody knew what happened behind closed doors in the summer of 82
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Diane felt pregnant again just like the previous pregnancy Joe became extremely jealous and accused Diane of cheating on
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him on one occasion the husband of one of Diane's friends visited Diane to return
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a book Joe called home while he was there and heard his voice in the background Joe later turned up at his apartment and
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threatened him with a gun he only left when they said they were calling the police after that incident
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Diane's friends backed off and kept their distance when Diane was seven months pregnant her and Joe got into an
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argument Joe ended up pushing going in out of the car into then sped off Diane hid in a hotel for three days but
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eventually told Joe where she was he came for her board her presence and they pretended like nothing happened their
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second child was born on the 28th of December 82 they had a son Blake to help out with the children
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Diane hired a nanny the first one didn't last long and warned the second nanny to
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watch out for Joe the second nanny Karina said she never saw Joe hit Don in but they did argue a lot most of the
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arguing was caused by Joe's bad temper but sometimes Diane would provoke him Karina also said quote I noticed the
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right away that Joe and Diane had a strange relationship I think they really loved each other but I never saw them
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kiss or hold hands or hug each other and I never saw them sit down and talk maybe
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they did it in bed before they went to sleep the worst fight Karina witnessed was on a trip to Boston in the spring of
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83 Joe and Diane were shopping everything was calm but suddenly an argument broke out and two they hit each
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other with umbrellas it was around this time that Joe started going through a perfectionist face he would do things
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like mink Diane on his clothes repeatedly as he was never happy he always found some small fault he also
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hired a boy to appear at 4 a.m. and clean up any garbage that appeared around his front door so he wouldn't
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have to see it by the mid-80s Joe was making $800,000 a year he told Diane almost everyday that if
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she left him she'd have nothing diane stayed both for her kids and for the fear of losing everything
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she had in 1985 she wanted to get a job her passion was writing she consulted different friends who wrote for a living
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and asked what it was like Diane was very insecure about her own writing and she didn't want Joe to ever see anything
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she wrote because he tear her down when Diane told Jose she wanted to get a job he destroyed her contact lenses by
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stepping on them furiously in the spring of 86 Diane was going through Joe's briefcase
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and found a pair of woman stockings they were extremely large and she couldn't really imagine any woman
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wearing them curious she went into the attic where she was banned only Joe was allowed in the Attic Diane found
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pictures and videotapes of Joe wearing women's underwear dancing and touching himself for the fourth of July weekend
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86 they went to the Hamptons and spent the night on the beach watching the fireworks with other friends it was one
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of the rare times when it had been a memorable night for a good reason days later one of Diane's friends told
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her Joe is so great Diane responded you don't know him a few weeks later Diane told another friend I
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want to divorce Joe but I can't leave him because if I do he will kill me Diane wrote to another friend in Vail
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Colorado and asked her if the children could stay with her if needed she also specified that all
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communication had to be made via letter so Joe couldn't trace any phone bills though and then got three suitcases
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ready and took them to another friend's house but Diane had almost no money to leave the joint account she had with Joe
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was almost always the left empty on purpose two days later their housekeeper quit
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because Joe had mistaken her for Diane and was extremely verbally abusive towards her the next week Joe and Diane
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had another huge fight Diane couldn't take it any longer and called a divorce lawyer
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rayul Felder she first met with Felder in August 86 Felder proposed getting an order of
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protection which essentially was a restraining order with the addition of a private detective to bodyguard her Diane
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wanted to know if this would really protect her from Joe Felder said it was only a piece of paper but if Joe was a
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rational man it would be enough to keep him away dorian thought Joe was anything
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but rational so she didn't get it she gave Felder the pictures and the video tapes of Joe dressed in women's
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underwear Diane's friends were relieved she was finally leaving however when Joe got the initial divorce
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papers he showered Diane with flowers and apologies and made promises to change they started couples counseling and
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Diane taught Felder she had changed her mind she didn't want the divorce anymore
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Diane retrieved the three suitcases she'd left at a friend's house she also mentioned she had to do a physical exam
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because Joe wanted to take out a 1 million dollar life insurance on her Diane's friends didn't think this was a
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good thing in September 86 their nanny Karina and a friend moved in to Joe and Diane's apartment to take care of the
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children while they went on an overseas business trip they visited Amsterdam Oslo Tokyo and other places
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Diane wrote letters saying she couldn't believe she now had this life and that it couldn't get any better than this
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when they returned in October Diane began actively looking for a job in February 87 she enrolled in a writing
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workshop at the University School of Continuing Education in New York but Diane was becoming increasingly
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pessimistic she told a friend what difference does it make if I find a great job and become a writer and leave
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Joe I'll just end up with another man I don't know how to break this cycle in April 87 Diane got a job as an assistant
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to the publisher at Harper's Magazine Joe hated the fact that Diane now had a job and he sent out private
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investigators to follow her Diane entered a second writing workshop and laughed off J's reaction at first
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but then a man who was following her started to really unnerve her and she had suspicions that the calls that the
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house would now being monitored she relayed these concerns to her lawyer Felder and he sent a private detective
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to check the house out it turned out the calls were being recorded by Joe from the Attic
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Diane told the private detective not to remove the recording device and to leave
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everything exactly as it was because she was terrified of how Joe would react Diane decided that she now had to leave
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Joe and when she brought the divorce up again with him he said he wanted to do further couples counseling but Diane
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refused Joe moved his things to another apartment in August 87 Joe called from overseas hotels while away on business
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and threatened to die end after every call he'd stay on the line just so that Diane couldn't make any other calls
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once a friend of Diane's wanted to use the phone but when she picked it up all she could
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hear was heavy breathing on the other side in September 87 Felder requested a statement of Joe's net worth but Joe
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refused to comply Joe said Diane could have the children but no money Felder wanted to use the tapes and
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pictures of Joe dressed in women's underwear to make him comply but Diane refused she only wanted to use those as
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a last resort on Saturday the 17th of October 87 Diane wrote a five-page memo to filter saying it was time to end it
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once and for all she could no longer take Joe's mood swings or his violent erratic behavior
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she wrote I find my plans continually sabotage along with my peace of mind after not being in the workplace for
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nearly ten years with a history of alcoholism myself and asthma I am struggling to build a
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go to school and raise normal happy children in a confusing environment in which the threat of abuse and violence
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of one kind or another is constant the closing lines of Diane's memo were please help me to resolve this horrible
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situation as quickly as possible for all of our sakes it isn't our time I fear for the World
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War three you promised me we would have if necessary on Monday the 19th of October 87 Diane entered the office at
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Harper's Magazine and sought out her closest friend there Linda McNamara Linda knew about all of the issues and
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offered to help Diane pack Diane said she thought she would probably take Linda up on her offer Diane told her
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that Jo had proposed to go to their house in Amagansett that Friday to spend the last weekend together as a family
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and also to divide the furniture up and prepare the house for sale Diane was tempted to go not for the weekend as a
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family but for the prospect of actually getting the house ready to sell and sorting the property out later that
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morning Diane made an appointment with a realtor to look at a house available for
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rent she used her maiden name Diane Whitmore to make the appointment on Tuesday the 20th Diane called their
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nanny Corina and asked her to go to M against it with the family that weekend Corina said she'd think about it on
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Wednesday the 21st Diane spoke to in stone the assistant editor of Harper's Magazine Diane
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started sobbing while talking about the divorce she said it's so hard I'm so tired I don't know if I can do it n had
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come out of a nasty divorce herself and responded you can before leaving Diane said I just want to be alone with my
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children in the country that's the only time I feel peaceful Corina received a message on her answering machine from
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Joe he asked her to join them on their weekend trip to an organza which she thought was really strange Joe had never
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ever asked her to join them before on Thursday the 22nd Sandra dominant chose ex-wife arrived in New York they had
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been divorced for 13 years and Sandra was still requesting that Joe pay her outstanding alimony
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$28,000 plus $10,000 in interest and legal fees Joe had invited Sandra to New York for lunch
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during their meeting he promised he'd settle the alimony he also asked her to sign that she'd become the legal
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guardian of Claudia and Blake in the event of his and Diane's death Sandra found of that proposal to be
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ridiculous and refused Joe had to return to work but he sent Sandra out with his
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driver to do some shopping with his money Sandra couldn't believe she was being treated so well by her ex-husband this
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would have been unthinkable when they were married later that evening Joe introduced Sandra to Claudia and
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Blake Sandra left New York shortly after this meeting and Joe again requested that she would so on to become Claudia
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and Blake's legal guardian if he and Diane were the daughter Sandra told him it was a bad idea
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that same day Kareena called Diane to tell her she wouldn't be able to make it on the weekend trip away on Friday the
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23rd Jo left for Anna Gansett early he took Claudia and Blake with him Diane had decided she wasn't going but then
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later changed her mind she didn't want to leave the kids alone with Jo all weekend Diane didn't leave for
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Amagansett until after 10:00 p.m. she arrived in the early hours of Saturday morning the 24th of October 1987 when
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Claudia woke up earlier that morning she found her dad asleep on the lounge she wanted to know where her mummy was Jay
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told her that Diane had run out of the house after they had an argument Blake woke up soon after and Joe put
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both kids in the babysitter's room to watch TV he told them he had to get some things ready to take to the dump they
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left the house at 9:30 a.m. they drove in Diane's station wagon to the dump Joe then drove to a hardware store where he
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bought a shovel will barrow plastic bags fishing gloves a flashlight and a rope he charged it all to his credit card Joe
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then bought 12 bags of ice he drove back to the house and made a series of calls
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first he called his security service and changed their houses alarm security codes second he called the local dentist
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for an emergency appointment there was no answer so he left a message on the answering machine he got a call back
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from the dental office manager soon after Joe told her that his wife Diane had walked out on him after he
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confronted her about finding another man's condom under their bed third he called Henry so Oscar his old
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roommate from Northeastern University they hadn't spoken in nine years and Joan launched into a rant about finding
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another man's condoms under his bed and Diane walking out on him when he confronted her Jo also said he was dying
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he asked Henry if he could drive to his house and leave Claudia and Blake with him for the weekend Henry agreed and
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invited the three of them for dinner Henry lived about a four-hour drive away at 11:45 a.m. Jo received a call it was
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from Marshall Weingarten Marshall and his wife Barbara were friends with Joe and Diane Diane and Barbara had made
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plans to have Story Ella that day at the library with the children Marshall was calling to confirm Joe told
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Marshall it wouldn't be possible because Diane had disappeared he said Diane arrived at the house about 1:00 a.m.
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when he asked her why she arrived so late she got mad and stormed off and she still hadn't returned Marshall asked if
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Diane had taken her car Joe said she hadn't Marshall found this odd since it wasn't easy getting anywhere without a
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car in that area Joe then told Marshall the story of the condoms only this time he said he'd found them in the living
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room not in the bedroom Marshall wasn't too fazed by the condom story he suggested
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that they could have belonged to the boyfriend of one of the babysitter's Joe was fast to say no and it had to be
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because Diane was cheating on him he added that he had just gotten an awful diagnosis from his doctor and everything
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was falling apart for him so he was taking the children upstate to a friend's house Marshall said Joe and the
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kids were welcome at his place Joe was grateful and said he would get back to him Barbara wasn't home during this call
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but when she did arrive home Marshall instantly told her about it he said he was worried because when talking about
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Diane Joe had used the word disappeared but Barbara shrugged it off and said Diane always used that word to describe
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Joe Joe disappeared with the kids so on so she thought Joe probably just picked that up from her after lunch Joe
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left Claudia and Blake in front of the TV again and told them he had the duck out but he would be right back when he
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arrived home he packed clothes a shotgun a knife and the toys for the kids he left for Henry's house between 4:30 and
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5:00 p.m. on the way Joe stopped and made a call from a phone booth to his ex-wife Sandra Jasmine he told her he
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had something to hide and asked if he could hide it at her house Sandra said yes Joe and the kids arrived to Henry's
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house at 9:30 p.m. Joe left the kids with Henry and was back on the road at 10:20 p.m. driving to Norwell
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Massachusetts where Sandra lived at 3:30 a.m. he called Sandra asking for directions to her house and 4:00 a.m. he
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called again saying he couldn't find it she went out to look for him and when she found him
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Joe followed her back to her house but he remained at a distance they arrived that Sandra is at 4:30 a.m. when Joe
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walked inside he said where can I bury it Sandra hadn't asked what it was Joe wanted to hide up until this point so
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she replied bury what Joe just repeated himself where can I bury it Sandra thought that it must have had something
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to do with some financial deal that had gone bad they continued having further conversation after which Sandra told Joe
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her property wasn't a good place but she made some other suggestions like a nearby park and another property where
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they used to spend weekends when that was still together she also offered to put Joe in touch with Vinny Federico a
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lawyer and 5:30 a.m. Joe left Sandra's house Sandra remained sitting in the same spot for any hour in shock she then
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got dressed and drove to the police station but turned around and drove home because she realized she really didn't
00:31:35
have anything to tell Joe called Sandra several times throughout that next day wanting to know
00:31:41
she got in touch with the lawyer Federico Sandra then left her house to visit her mother she had two messages
00:31:48
from Joe on her answering machine when she arrived home in the first one he said he was in where his hometown and he
00:31:55
couldn't leave the package there because it was too close to the road in the second message he said he was in a
00:32:01
different town but he couldn't do anything there because it was hunting season and people were walking around
00:32:08
Sandra I raised the both messages at 9:30 a.m. on Monday the 26th of October Joe called Harper's Magazine and told
00:32:19
the receptionist in a stuttering voice that Diane had disappeared over the weekend
00:32:24
the receptionist knew about Diane's situation and suspected the worst a few minutes later Joe called again as the
00:32:34
call ended Diane's friend Linda McNamara walked into the office the receptionist
00:32:38
told her about the strange calls from Diane's husband when the editor's assistant and stern arrived at 10:00
00:32:45
a.m. they decided to call the police they called two police departments the East Hampton department where Diane's
00:32:54
weekend house was located and the New York City Police Department where Joe and Diane usually resided in Stern was
00:33:01
the one who made the calls and said it wasn't like Diane to just not show up to work without any notice and that she
00:33:08
wouldn't walk out on her children both departments said there was nothing they could do a late arrival to work didn't
00:33:15
classify as a missing person case Joe kept calling Harper's every 20 minutes changing his story at first he
00:33:24
was asking where is she then he was saying she had run off with a boyfriend then that progressed to we had a fight
00:33:30
and it got out of hand then he made a reference that alarmed window he said something about dying in rolling-over
00:33:39
Linder and n wanted to know where Blake and Claudia were they called all of Diane's friends all of them suspected
00:33:46
straightaway that Diane had been murdered when they got in touch with Corinna their nanny
00:33:53
she thought that Joe might have locked to Diane in the basement of the Amagansett house Corina tried to call
00:33:59
their friends in the Hamptons to go and check but nobody answered Corina tried calling Joe's office to find out where
00:34:06
Claudia and Blake were but all she was told was that Joe wasn't him in the meantime
00:34:12
Joe stopped at Stewart auto car wash in Newburgh to have the station wagon cleaned as soon as he gave the keys to
00:34:19
the manager he started talking about his wife running off with another man and how he found his condoms under the bed
00:34:24
the manager thought this was a very random and weed conversation Joe made a point of asking for the trunk to be
00:34:32
thoroughly cleaned as it was very sandy Joe then walked over to a nearby dumpster and started throwing out a
00:34:38
number of different items two young men who worked at the carwash thought this was strange Joe then took out the
00:34:46
shotgun from the car he offered it to the manager for $25 the manager thought this was a bargain so he bought it
00:34:54
before leaving the carwash Joe called Sandra and left a message on her answering machine
00:34:59
the package is down as the manager went into the nearby woods to test out the shotgun the two young men who'd seen Joe
00:35:08
throwing things into the dumpster went to see what was in there they found credit cards in the names of Diane Pikul
00:35:15
and Diane Whitmore as well as a knife and a large rubber gloves they informed on the managers wife who was the cashier
00:35:23
and she told her husband he inspected the items and the two young men told him there was also women's clothes in the
00:35:30
dumpster at 3:00 p.m. that afternoon Joe arrived home with Claudia and Blake on the way
00:35:38
he called Federico who agreed to represent him and des they'd arranged for the lawyer to come to New York
00:35:43
stainer hotel at Joe's expense and discussed the case as Joe and the kids entered home one of Diane's friends
00:35:51
caught Joe said he couldn't talk right now but he'd call her right back he went back outside to move his car and while
00:35:59
he was outside Claudia grabbed the phone and called Harper's Diane's boss Randy Warner answered and Claudia asked do you
00:36:08
know where my mummy is Randy told her we're your friends and we're trying to find your mummy Diane's father Donlan
00:36:17
suspected the worst Donna's new wife Gretchen called Joe and asked where Diane was Joe said he couldn't talk
00:36:24
right near Don then called Joe himself Joe said what business of yours is it where my wife went Don called the East
00:36:35
Hampton police and said look I've got a hunch he killed her out by the side of the house in the shed where they keep
00:36:40
the bikes you've got to go to that shed an officer visited the house but the shed was padlocked and they weren't
00:36:48
legally able to remove it at 3:30 p.m. Kareena finally got in touch with Joe Joe was aware she had
00:36:57
been calling his office all day and wanted to know why Kareena said she was simply worried for the kids and she
00:37:04
asked him if he knew where Diane was Joe repeated the story of the boyfriend and
00:37:08
the condoms Kareena didn't believe it she asked if he'd like her to make dinner for the kids and put them to bed
00:37:16
he said no later that afternoon Marshall and Barbara along with another couple from the Hamptons called Joe to offer
00:37:25
their support Joe told them you're the only people who are being nice to me and who aren't accusing me of anything at
00:37:33
5:30 p.m. Kareena called Joe again and this time he said she could come and see the children in Newburgh a police
00:37:43
officer stopped by the auto carwash the officer was friends with the manager so the manager gave him their credit
00:37:49
cards the knife ended the GOP's the officer also went to the dumpster to check out that woman's clothes he
00:37:58
immediately called two other officers to help the three of them found women's clothes jewelry shoes and underwear one
00:38:06
of the officers made the comment that has got to be a body that goes with this they took everything they found to the
00:38:13
station encountered a total of 55 items they eliminated the possibility of a robbery since the credit cards tended to
00:38:21
be discarded separately they searched the owner of the cards on the police system and learned that Diane was of a
00:38:28
smaller build but the clothes they found seemed to be from an extremely large woman the clothes also appeared to be
00:38:35
really cheap but they found cards in the dumpster for very expensive upmarket fashion stores the bras were all of
00:38:43
different cup sizes and of the shoes were extremely large they also found small wallet-sized
00:38:50
pictures of a blonde boy in pajamas they couldn't understand why anyone would throw these pictures out none of it made
00:38:58
a lot of sense to them they alerted their sergeant who alerted detectives meanwhile and stern who had been calling
00:39:06
the police all day finally got to talk to a detective detective bill Glynn he tried to calm me and down and explained
00:39:14
to her that there were a lot of possible scenarios they didn't involve going ham being
00:39:18
murdered but Ian insisted so much that Glynn started to take a claim seriously back at the Newburgh Police Department
00:39:27
detective John Smith called Joe he posed as a regular citizen gave a fake name and said he had just found a whole heap
00:39:34
of credit cards belonging to died in Joe panicked and dropped the phone when Smith heard this he thought something
00:39:42
was definitely wrong so he quickly made a signal to have the conversation recorded Joe picked the
00:39:48
phone back up and said he would send his driver to collect the cards and also hand over a
00:39:52
cash reward they agreed to meet at the auto carwash at 9:30 p.m. Joe then decided to call the police himself he
00:40:03
called the New York City police and got detective Glenn who had just been speaking to n stern Joe said my name is
00:40:11
Joseph Michael and I want to report my wife missing I got your name from someone at Harper's Magazine I don't
00:40:17
really know why I'm calling I've never done this before I'll explain the situation and you can guide me from
00:40:23
there Joe then told Glynn the story about Diane running off with a boyfriend in the condoms Glynn believed that
00:40:32
checked the out for the most part with what Ian had told him he made an appointment to see Joe at 11:00 p.m.
00:40:37
that night at Joe's apartment he would then make an official report as Greene hung up the phone detective John Smith
00:40:46
from the Newburgh Police Department called he wanted to know if they had anything on Joseph Michael the officer
00:40:52
who answered this call started taking notes this officer just happened to be sitting next to Detective Clinton when
00:41:01
the officer left the table to go and check the police system Green looked over and saw she had written Joe's name
00:41:06
on a notepad he picked up the phone and spoke to Smith to find out what was going on Smith explained the items they
00:41:14
had found in the dumpster and the meeting they had made with Joe's driver four nights
00:41:18
that night Glyn explained he sighed and said he had arranged a meeting with Joe at 11:00 p.m. they both came to the same
00:41:27
conclusion it was time to include the Long Island police in the investigation since they am against it house where
00:41:34
Diane was last seen was located in their jurisdiction they got in touch with Long
00:41:40
Island's most senior investigator from the Major Case unit Donald Delaney it was decided that
00:41:47
Delaney would join detective Glynn on the 11:00 p.m. interview with Joe at 7:30 that night Corina got to the
00:41:55
parcours home she saw Joe looked too nervous and was constantly making calls Corina asked Claudia how the weekend had
00:42:03
been and she simply said she had a good time this seemed odd to Corina as eight-year-old Claudia was usually
00:42:10
extremely talkative Claudia's hair looked a very dirty and when Corina asked her about her mummy Claudia just
00:42:18
shrugged her shoulders Corina noticed that Joe was missing a tooth Joe told her it had become loose and he had
00:42:26
accidentally swallowed it in the middle of the dinner Joe said he was leaving with his driver and that he'd be
00:42:32
disconnecting the phone he instructed Corina not to reconnect it Corina put the kids
00:42:38
to bed Blake said his father had told him he'd take them away if mummy left Karina told Blake she'll come back
00:42:47
although she didn't really believe it Joe had been ringing the Newburgh police repeatedly he didn't know it was the
00:42:55
Newburgh police he thought it was the citizen who had run him up about finding Diane's cards detective John Smith sat
00:43:02
by the phone he didn't answer it but he noticed the pan Joe would ring 10 times hang up wait 40 seconds then ring again
00:43:12
it was constant when he left the apartment Joe was driven to meet Federico for the
00:43:19
first time he paid the lawyer $5,000 after dropping Joe off with Federico the driver continued on to Newburgh to meet
00:43:28
the citizen who supposedly had Diane's credit card he got to the auto wash at 9:40 p.m. an
00:43:34
officer was posing as the cashier the plan was for no one to meet with the driver they just wanted to follow him
00:43:42
the driver approached the cashier and asked if anyone else was there the cashier said there was a man who had
00:43:49
been waiting around for a while but he had just left the driver setting his car to wait for a further half an hour
00:43:56
the cashier called detective Smith who arrived in an unmarked car to wait and see the drivers next move
00:44:04
the driver walked over to a hotel across the road which had a phone booth he then
00:44:09
sprinted back and forth between the hotel and the car while making calls to Joe he then returned to the auto wash to
00:44:16
continue waiting at 10:50 p.m. the cashier approached him and said he could stay parked if he wanted but they were
00:44:23
closing and it would get really dark the driver decided to leave and Smith followed him he got up to the New York
00:44:31
State Thruway south entrance but then stopped he ordered for the dumpster in the auto wash to be retrieved for a more
00:44:40
thorough inspection at 11:00 p.m. detective Glynn detective Delaney and a third officer arrived at Joe's house
00:44:49
they were invited inside and sat down and started with small talk about stocks to relax Joe then they asked him to walk
00:44:57
them through the disappearance of Diane Joe said he had an argument after Diane arrived at 1:30 a.m. then he went to
00:45:05
sleep and the next morning while he was taking a shower she left a bit later he changed this version and said Diane had
00:45:14
stormed out during the night the detectives asked him if a car had come to pick her up and he said no she walked
00:45:21
however he changed his version again and said he wasn't sure if Diane had walked
00:45:25
maybe she had been driven they asked him about her supposed to lover but Joe said
00:45:32
he didn't really know anything about them in they asked for permission to search the Amagansett house and Joe
00:45:38
signed a toilet when they asked for a photo of Diane he suddenly got jittery they requested an article of her
00:45:46
clothing Joe went to the bedroom and came out with a pair of her panties saying she wore them jogging and they
00:45:53
haven't been washed the dogs will get a good scent of her the detectives left the apartment and as
00:45:59
I were walking out each one made a different remark Glenn highlighted how many times Joe had changed his story the
00:46:07
other officer present said he was surprised that Joe didn't seem to give a [ __ ] at all about finding Diane Delaney
00:46:14
said Diane was dead and Joe was the killer at 3:00 a.m. Joe got another knock at the door two other officers
00:46:22
from the New York City Police Department had been briefed about the 11:00 p.m. interview and they wanted to take Joe in
00:46:28
for questioning Joe requested to reschedule for later that day but there was a fear that Joe
00:46:35
would leave the city and possibly even try to leave the country so they insisted that he go with them now Joe
00:46:41
finally agreed Joe began this new interview by saying he knew the man who called him about finding billions cards
00:46:49
had been a police officer he also said he had spent the weekend traveling between Massachusetts and New York but
00:46:56
in the 11 p.m. interview he had told detectives he had just stayed at Henry so Oscars house after leaving and
00:47:02
against it eventually he mentioned having a second apartment where he'd moved when he and Diane had split up the
00:47:10
detectives asked if they could see it Joe replied don't be surprised by what you find there what they found was
00:47:20
women's clothes which Joe admitted having a liking for Joe added that Diane knew about this she had videotaped him
00:47:27
and then tried to blackmail him after the check of the second apartment the detectives took Joey out for breakfast
00:47:34
and dropped him back home at 8:30 a.m. that morning Delaney went with a Long Island team to search the Amagansett
00:47:42
house they immediately found a red stains on the kitchen floor which they believed to be blood Delaney
00:47:49
put a stop to the search left an officer at the house to guard it and applied for
00:47:53
a search warrant that enabled them to test for blood hairs and fibers this delayed the search until 6:00 p.m. when
00:48:01
they returned a forensic scientist cutting out the piece of floor where the stains were and conducted a test for
00:48:06
blood the test was positive then they found a set of knives the knife that had been found in a dumpster
00:48:14
at Newburgh matched this set on top of the bedroom dresser they found under Joe's missing tooth Delaney concluded
00:48:22
michael was standing over there trying to kill her in an effort to free herself she stuck an elbow or a blunt object
00:48:30
into his face and broke his tooth they also found the condoms which were indeed under the bed lock Joe had said but
00:48:39
Delaney knew that Joe was conducting market research in Scandinavia on this particular brand
00:48:44
he believed Joe had planted them there in a Mazda car that was parked at the house they found at the backseat full of
00:48:53
sand under the car that was mud beach grass and more sand tire tracks appeared in a nearby potato field but they didn't
00:49:02
match with the car they used police dogs to go through the area but they didn't come up with anything there was a
00:49:09
cemetery next to the house and you know they found a freshly dug grave but the permit to dig up the grave would take
00:49:16
too long to get so Delaney considered it only as a last option he kept the house
00:49:22
secured in case they needed further evidence for trial he then left while this search was happening Glen and his
00:49:29
partner called Joe's driver they told him they had information that he'd been upstate tried to retrieve property
00:49:35
belonging to Diane Pikul the driver confirmed this but said no one had showed up to the meeting Greene asked
00:49:43
him to come into the station the driver showed up and when asked about Diane he said he believed she left
00:49:50
like Joe had told him they allowed the driver to leave but they arranged for a detective to follow him
00:49:57
Glen then went to Harper's through retrieve Dorian's paperwork among it he found a Joe's financial statement which
00:50:04
Felder was able to eventually get for Diane Glynn saw that Joe had hundreds of thousands of dollars hidden away in both
00:50:12
Mexico and Switzerland this made them even more worried that Joe might be planning to leave the country
00:50:18
the detective following the drive I reported that he picked someone up from the airport and then dropped that person
00:50:24
at a hotel they found out this person was Federico Jose Loya they sent some officers to the hotel and one of them
00:50:32
posed there's a bellboy to check if Federico was in the room on his own he was Karina and a friend then turned up
00:50:41
to Joe's apartment and offered to take Claudia and Blake out for dinner the plan was to actually take the kids to
00:50:47
Detective Glen so he could question them alone Joey lay out Karina to take them during
00:50:54
the dinner green question Claudia since Blake was too young but she closed off and he wasn't able to get anything out
00:51:01
of her at 11 p.m. East Hampton police found a freshly dug grave under a kiosk at the beach where Joe and Diane had
00:51:09
spent fourth of July in 1986 what was one of the few happy memories they dug out the grave but found nothing that
00:51:19
Tuesday night there was a big storm in at 2:45 p.m. the next day Wednesday the 28th of October a New York State Thruway
00:51:27
Authority operator was inspecting the drainage he found the Diane's body wrapped in towels and covered in plastic
00:51:35
at a spot that was about a five minute drive away from the car wash at Newburgh officer car Hill was at the Y Amagansett
00:51:43
house when he heard about Diane's body being found he took some towels from the house to see if they matched the ones
00:51:50
Diane's body was wrapped in they did match the towels were Brazilian imports sold only at very few stores on the East
00:51:58
Coast Allen Joseph a district attorney from Orange County New York was assigned the
00:52:04
case to prosecute Joe he believed that the rarity of the towels proved that nobody but Joe could have wrapped
00:52:11
Diane's body Joe was nowhere to be found Claudia and Blake were at home being babysat by Joe's niece police did what
00:52:25
is known as an emergency remove all of the kids and took them to the station where child protection services were
00:52:30
called child protection services wouldn't allow detectives to question Claudia or Blake
00:52:36
they said they have nothing to say please leave them alone detective Glenn asked for permission to keep Claudia and
00:52:44
Blake at his house for the night he knew Child Protective Services were a mess and the kids would probably end up
00:52:50
sleeping uncomfortably somewhere Child Protection refused Claudia and Blake ended up sleeping in wooden chairs at
00:52:58
the agency's center meanwhile the forensic scientist was performing the autopsy on going in and he found the
00:53:06
cause of death was strangulation she had marks on the skin fractures on the bones
00:53:10
of her neck and a buildup of fluids in her lungs the conclusion was that the killer had used his hands and gripped
00:53:17
for more than 30 seconds and then a cord was used for a second strangulation she
00:53:23
also had 10 points of impact on her head where the killer had delivered blows two
00:53:30
officers were checking all of the calls Joe had made they found the calls that he had made to his ex-wife Sandra and
00:53:36
they arranged for her to be interviewed on Thursday the 29th the main priority of the investigation was still to locate
00:53:44
Joe they ran checks at the airport hotels and with Joe's family members at 2:00 p.m. that afternoon a question that
00:53:53
Joe's lawyer Federico he was reluctant to give information at first but eventually said Joe had fired him over
00:54:01
lunch that day Joe had hired two new lawyers and he was currently meeting with them at 3:05
00:54:06
Madison Avenue Suite 1301 the officers ran there to get him when they got to Joe's location there were eight
00:54:16
elevators all of them were coming down at the same time they decided to wait and see if Joe would emerge from one of
00:54:23
them he did he was arrested for Diane's murder they told her they wanted to get information on Joe Pikul
00:54:33
Sandra asked if he was in trouble they told her he was a suspect in the murder of his wife Diane Sandra said I'm lucky
00:54:42
it wasn't me I knew that someday his temper was going to get the best of him she spoke about their divorce about Joe
00:54:50
and explained that she visited New York recently to see him about the alimony money she left out the part where Joe
00:54:57
asked her to be his children's guardian Sandra said she hadn't spoken to Joe since her New York visit they asked her
00:55:04
about the calls she had received from Joe since that trip Sandra said she had missed them and that Joe had left a few
00:55:10
messages on her machine just seeing how she was but she had since erased those messages Sandra then revealed she was in
00:55:19
a relationship with Joe's lawyer federico but said she didn't know Joe had been using his services they asked
00:55:26
her to call if she remembered anything else while Joe was being transported to the police station he said he loved
00:55:33
Claudia and Blake and they were the best part of him he began to cry and talked about Diane and complained she was a bad
00:55:40
mother extremely inattentive hired a different babysitter every night and suddenly he
00:55:46
came out with that's why I did it she's such a [ __ ] she deserved it I never did anything wrong before in my
00:55:53
life well I can't change it now how much will they all be since that outburst wasn't provoked the officers believed
00:56:02
that statement could be admissible in court when they got to the station Joe continued talking about Diane at one
00:56:10
point he said she was an evil and malicious person she tried to kill me not physically but mentally she tried to
00:56:19
break me down I just couldn't take it anymore I don't care if you guys give me ten or twenty years I don't care what
00:56:26
penalty I have to pay I think everybody's just better off without her an officer ready miss Miranda rights
00:56:34
filled out an arrest report and Joe began complaining about his new lawyers he said he'd paid them two hundred and
00:56:40
fifty thousand dollars the least they could do was be there with him but then he smirked and said
00:56:46
he'd stop the payment on the check so they wouldn't get any money anyway Joe then said there's a hook to this case
00:56:53
and asked the way of dying in was he wanted to know if an autopsy was performed and if she had been checked
00:57:00
for eight the bad diagnosis Joe had received from his doctor that he talked about earlier was him testing positive
00:57:07
for AIDS Dayan suspected that he had it he later made the comment my only hope is to beat this thing on a technicality
00:57:17
I killed her for no particular reason this began to go bad in July he went on saying Diane had mentioned at the
00:57:25
divorce she tried to blackmail him and she betrayed him by telling everyone he was a crossdresser
00:57:30
his life was now over anyway he then asked for someone to shoot him at 11:15 p.m. he requested the seat Dorian's body
00:57:40
his words were let's go see the stiff they did take him to see Diane and he made a remark about her not wearing
00:57:48
makeup he said she'd be very upset if she knew we were looking at her like this at 12:30 a.m. Joe was back at the
00:57:58
station and he started asking about his children where they were and what would happen to them he also wanted to know
00:58:04
what exactly his charge was and when his arraignment would be detective Joe tripodo took this opportunity to try and
00:58:12
question him chaparro asked him how did you do it Joe Joe told him he knew already chapada
00:58:20
said he didn't and after some back-and-forth banter Joe took both hands to his neck and simulated a
00:58:26
choking motion at 2:15 a.m. the judge was in the courtroom and ready to arraign Chaparro told Joe to take off
00:58:35
his clothes so they could give him new ones before entering the court Joe begged to get changed in the bathroom in
00:58:41
privacy but it wasn't allowed after taking off his shirt and pants joe revealed a bra
00:58:48
and panty hose he also had a large scratch going from his stomach around through his back
00:58:54
Joe explained he'd gotten this scratch while playing with the kids his bail was set at three hundred and fifty thousand
00:59:02
dollars billions murder appeared on the front page of the New York Post one of the people to see it was Paul Kurland a
00:59:10
corporate securities whale and a teacher of trial advocacy who had met Joe once on Sunday the 1st of November Kurland
00:59:19
and Ronald back off went to see Joe back off was friends with Kurland and a high-profile criminal lawyer who he
00:59:26
recommended to Joe Diane's funeral was held on the 5th of November afterwards Don and other members of her
00:59:35
family held a meeting to discuss what would happen to Claudia and Blake Diane had mentioned two of Joe's nephews in
00:59:43
her will as possible Guardians and in addition Diane's cousin Kathy Hogan offered to take them if neither of Joe's
00:59:51
nephews were able Don then called Diane's lawyer Felder to check if there was a retainer left from her Felder
00:59:58
initially said no but later called Don and said I have good news for you I checked into there's $10,000 left I'll
01:00:06
do whatever fighting I have to do to make sure that those children are taken care of properly the children were sent
01:00:13
to Washington to live with one of Joe's nephews who died in had mentioned in her
01:00:17
will Eadie Pulaski on the 9th of November Joe made bail by paying 180 thousand dollars
01:00:24
of his own money and getting investor friends to meet the other 170,000 the first thing he said when he got out was
01:00:32
I want to see my kids the mother of one of Claudia's classmates heard Joe might get the
01:00:39
children again she was concerned and raised her concerns with the school headmaster the headmaster responded I've
01:00:46
talked to Joe and he's cheerful he's rational he says everything was a dreadful mistake and will be cleared up
01:00:53
the mother decided to turn to her friend who is the editor of New York magazine they both got in contact with
01:01:00
Manhattan's district attorney the DA's assistant Mary O'Donoghue worked for the child abuse unit and she
01:01:07
took personal care of the case Kurland advised Joe not to meet up with the children at home or at the Hamptons as
01:01:14
press would be waiting so Joe arranged to meet them at a hotel Mary O'Donoghue found out about these
01:01:21
plans and called the special services for child abuse hotline to report that two children who may have witnessed
01:01:26
their father murder their mother were near with the father that night a Sullivan County child abuse case worker
01:01:34
reported back to Mary the children were with their father that was safe and well
01:01:39
and there was nothing they could do because there was no evidence of neglect abuse or immediate danger Mary kept
01:01:49
insisting though and at 1:30 a.m. on the 13th of November three state troopers and the caseworker into Joe's apartment
01:01:56
to take the children into protective custody for they're not on the 15th of November there was a hearing in the
01:02:02
Sullivan County Family Court to decide if Joe could have the children for the weekend the judge decided he could
01:02:09
because there was no finding of child abuse Ronald back off said that you could see Joe lived for his kids and it
01:02:16
was very touching so at this stage it was ruled that Joe could have the kids on the weekends in New York however
01:02:25
during the week they would stay with his nephew and Pulaski in Washington but in
01:02:29
the first week of December Edie Pulaski said he couldn't take care of the children anymore so he sent them
01:02:35
back to live full-time with Joe on the 14th of December Diane's cousin Kathy Hogan and her husband Mark filed for
01:02:43
custody of Claudia and Blake through Diane's lawyer filter in a statement they said we wish to god
01:02:51
it wasn't necessary to do so we are not seeking to pass judgment on Joseph Michael nor do we assert that all we
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have heard and read is entirely true but because of our love for Dian our great concern for the immediate safety
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of the children and our genuine belief that we can provide a safe loving and normal family environment for their
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children we're asking for custody the file mentioned Diane's murder should be considered an extraordinary circumstance
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the petitions were made to Supreme Court Judge Kristen booth Glenn who accepted Diane's murder as an extraordinary
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circumstance she scheduled the first custody hearing for the 17th of December Felder would be representing Cathy and
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Mike agin and the pall Kurland would be representing Joe during the hearing judge Blynn had an
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idea she believed that whether the children had witnessed something or not if they gave testimony then the
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information would be out in the open and the danger against them would disappear
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she discussed the possibility of recording a testimony by Claudia since Blake was considered too young with Alan
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Joseph Orange County's DA who would prosecute Joe in the criminal trial Alan Joseph said that it wouldn't be
01:04:03
possible since both parties wouldn't agree to do it impartial II judge Glenn then decided to question Claudia herself
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alone in a room Glenn came out saying the kids adore their father miss their father and she saw them sleeping in
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Joe's arms Glenn asked to have access to Joe's last therapist Kurland denied that
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access judge Glenn analyzed the files that had been completed by the child abuse case workers and concluded there
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was no evidence of abuse or neglect to the children Shelia and Claudia and Blake to stay with Joe for the weekend
01:04:41
stating in some ways Diane's voice from beyond and her willingness to leave the children in that household for well over
01:04:48
a year after retaining mr. Felder indicates to me that these children are not in any greater danger from this man
01:04:55
than any child is from any parent in the city at this time Felder was outraged and threatened to
01:05:02
contact the media but Glenn said this wouldn't be good for their children's best interest quote the fact that the
01:05:09
lunatic judge gave the kids to the homicidal maniac I don't think that is a good thing for the kids
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Felder didn't end up contacting the media on Monday the 21st of December the hearing continued Felder appeared in
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court with the five page memo Diane had given him in which she specified the children weren't safe with Jo in one
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part she wrote after hearing the nature of our current home life my therapist urged me to ask you to make some
01:05:36
intervention on the basis of psychological abuse of the children this is a situation in which their
01:05:42
babysitter's are subjected to extreme anger or dismissal their mother is belittled and denigrated they have no
01:05:49
ability to predict their schedule or whereabouts no constancy in human relationships just
01:05:56
a constant round of limousine pickups late hours junk food and presence however since Diane wasn't there to give
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evidence her memo wasn't admitted neither was a statement from her a a sponsor who described the Jo as
01:06:10
dangerous when Jo took the stand he denied everything he denied being violent doing drugs or ever mistreating
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his children or Diane he was the one who insisted they enter counseling and he said Diane verbally abused the children
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the hearing was adjourned over the Christmas and New Year period the judge ruled that Jo could keep custody of the
01:06:32
children until the hearing recommenced on the 6th of January 88 Diane's friends organized the protest this decision one
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of them got a permit to picket in front of the Supreme Court many didn't join in
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as those who knew Jo were afraid he'd recognized them and go after their children Felder was scared the picketing
01:06:52
would backfire on them since judge Glenn didn't like press he said it was a bad idea
01:06:57
Felder found it difficult to get witnesses to testify at the custody hearing because they were all scared of
01:07:03
Jo two days before the custody hearing recommends to Monday the 4th of January 88 Jo was indicted in Orange County for
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the second-degree murder in when the custody hearing recommenced the first person called the testifier
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was a psychiatrist Glenn had appointed during the holiday break he was asked to examine John the children in two
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evaluative Joe was a danger to them he testified what he saw was love and devotion from the kids to their father
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and a healthy relationship between the three of them Felder asked him if mr. Park will retained custody do you have
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maybe an itty-bitty worry that something could happen to the kids the psychiatrist's report yes I think this
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is an open possibility judge Glenn then stepped in is it your opinion that there
01:07:53
could be harm to the children from number one removing their children from his custody and the number two does that
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outweigh in your view the open possibility that something could happen to them in his custody
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the psychiatrist answered indeed I do because as far as the children are concerned their father is innocent of
01:08:12
any criminal charges he's their daddy and they love him the psychiatrist didn't believe Joe was
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a flight risk he believes suicide would be a much more likely outcome given that he had AIDS
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and it was believed to be terminal judge Glenn asked him Joe might take Claudia and Blake's lives along with his
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own in this event the psychiatrist responded he had no information to conclude that
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at the end of the day Glenn again granted Joe temporary custody Felder ended up going to the media the
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New York Post ran an article with the headline lawyer says judging wife kill case is playing Russian roulette with
01:08:51
kids lives there were several more days spent in court arguing the custody one child psychologist rebutted previous
01:08:59
testimony she said children love us for all kinds of ways that we have we can be
01:09:05
loved if we're cruel we can be loved if we beat them I have known children who have begged to be returned to psychotic
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mothers children who have no trouble loving a father who whips them or whips their mother so for a child to say I
01:09:18
love my daddy is not something we should take at face value another psychologist
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took the view that since Joe would most likely be going to prison for a long time that meant he should be able to
01:09:29
spend as much time as he could with the kids a proposal was then put forward that Joe wouldn't lose his rights but
01:09:36
would share them with a family member in this case Joe would be sharing custody with Kathy and Mike again judge Blynn
01:09:43
said she would consider this proposal in late April 88 Glen returned with her decision she said I cannot find that
01:09:53
petitioners have met the heavy burden which would be necessary to deprive Joseph Michael of custody of his
01:09:59
children the testimony she'd given most importance to was that of Mary Bain Mary
01:10:06
Bain was the mother of Jennifer one of Claudia's classmates her and her husband Steven invited John Claudia over for a
01:10:13
playdate after the playdate Mary said Joe is not the horrible person that newspapers were seen after that first
01:10:21
playdate Claudia started calling Mary every day asking to talk to Jennifer Mary in turn got to know Joe better
01:10:28
she said he was gentle funny charming and had charisma by early February Mary's husband Steven said Mary was
01:10:37
hardly ever home anymore Mary testified and described Joe as a wonderful man who'd she left her own
01:10:43
daughter with she also offered to adopt Claudia in Blake if Joe was sent to jail
01:10:49
by early April Mary had separated from her husband Steven and was in a relationship with Jo it wasn't long
01:10:57
before Jo was talking about marrying Mary his lawyer Ronald back off said to Joe look you're going to trial for
01:11:04
killing a wife in a small close-knit conservative community if you tried into court with a new wife on your arm you
01:11:11
might end tag annoys people they'll think didn't he have the decency to wait until he was cleared of the charge some
01:11:18
of them may even think she was your motive for murdering Diane Joe still decided to go through with it and on the
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2nd of July they married in a secret ceremony on the 27th of July Kathie and Mike again decided to stop trying to get
01:11:34
custody of Claudia and Blake they visited them and saw the kids call Mary mummy they believed that if they were
01:11:41
happy and had a second mother now then they didn't want to be responsible for taking that away on the 4th of August
01:11:48
Mary Bain wrote a sworn statement saying she wanted custody of Claudia and Blake
01:11:52
no matter the outcome of the criminal trial as a 10 information she wrote her parents had an unused house in Brooklyn
01:12:00
that they could live in and if their children could remain in the same school when Kathie and Mike again found out
01:12:07
about this sworn statement they decided to fight for custody again this time it was Joe who requested a custody hearing
01:12:15
he wanted to block the oguns from getting custody the new hearing took place on the 14th of September and it
01:12:22
started with a recap of all of the previous testimony and evidence then an explosive piece of information
01:12:29
Mary Bain had been going to counseling as she was experiencing marital problems with Joe they'd been married for two
01:12:36
months during one of these counseling sessions she described the violent incident that happened in front of
01:12:42
Claudia and Blake as the children were involved the terms of confidentiality didn't apply so this information came in
01:12:51
Mary was called to the stand reminded she was still under oath and was asked about this particular incident Mary
01:12:59
described getting home late one day Joe was furious and cut the dress she was wearing with a
01:13:05
hunting knife Mary ran from the house and Joe chased her Mary hid at a neighbor's house until Joe approached
01:13:12
the next day and said he wasn't mad any longer Claudia and Blake witnessed this incident Kurland immediately resigned as
01:13:22
Joe's lawyer Joe withdrew his custody petition Glen gave immediate custody of Claudia and Blake to the oguns and a
01:13:30
place for them along with the lawyers and Mary bein under protective custody from Joe a request was made to hold Joe
01:13:37
until the organs got the children but Judge Glenn refused finding it unnecessary as soon as the oguns went
01:13:45
out to look for Claudia and Blake Joe and Mary got in their car and raced to get to them first
01:13:50
but the police got to Claudia and Blake and place them in protective custody before Joe and Mary could find them
01:13:57
judge Glenn allowed Joe to make a nightly phone call to his kids only two days later Joe told Blake on his nightly
01:14:04
call tonight I'm going to come through the window and take you away a security guard was placed with the oguns that
01:14:12
night and he was told by a detective if this maniac comes through a window do what you're going to do because if he
01:14:19
has an opportunity he'll kill you the next day Joe crashed his car into his house a
01:14:26
neighbor came out to see what had happened Joe forced him to change his tire and
01:14:31
the vents started blubbering about going to the border of Canada or Mexico he then said his first wife had been bad
01:14:37
his second one was dead and the third one was good he ended with he can't kill them all
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the following day the oguns left with the children to go to a friend's house that night Claudia and Blake spoke to
01:14:52
Joe on the phone Joe asked them how long the drive was from the oguns to where they were now and instructed them to
01:14:59
look out for a street name enter the number of the house he told them not to tell anyone and he'd call back the next
01:15:05
night Mike again was listening in on this call the against old filter and a custodial
01:15:14
interference motion was put forward Felder pled for protection for the children from the homicidal lunatic
01:15:20
judge Blynn suspended Jose Knightley calls as well as barring him from the area where the oguns lived
01:15:28
despite her damaging testimony Jo stayed with Mary and do they appeared on a Current Affair together Mary blamed
01:15:36
herself for losing custody of the kids saying it was her fault for getting counseling instead of giving the
01:15:41
marriage a period of adjustment Orange County newspapers posted regular stories about Jo and airports and
01:15:48
borders had his picture and profile the psychologist who testified at the custody hearing that Jo should spend as
01:15:55
much time as possible with the children before he goes to jail was now Blake and
01:15:59
Claudia's therapist he recommended that Jo should be able to have visitations these were granted every Sunday a
01:16:07
security guard was always present and searched Jo before his visits Jo pleaded not guilty to murder enter the criminal
01:16:16
trial officially started on the 31st of January 1989 the jury was formed by eleven men and one woman
01:16:24
Sandra Jarvan and was the first witness called to the stand her lawyer had since
01:16:29
contacted the police informing him that she knew more information but wanted immunity from prosecution
01:16:35
the police agreed and place their into protective custody Sandra testified that Jo had confessed
01:16:42
to killing Diane and wanted to bury her body in her yard she refused but admitted making suggestions of other
01:16:50
locations where he could bury Diane she said she only did this for her own safety and to get Jo out of her house
01:16:58
next Diane's best friend Maggy Gary was called she identified the brazillian tails that had been wrapped around
01:17:06
Diane's body then everyone who came into contact with Jo after the murder was called the store owner who sold him the
01:17:16
ice the employee at the hardware store the dental assistant the people at the auto wash even Joe's friend Henry
01:17:23
Sawatzky was called then the detectives who worked the case Joe took the stand on the 27th of
01:17:31
February 89 he was going with self-defense he gave a more elaborate story of what he'd been saying since the
01:17:38
night of the murder he said Diane had a boyfriend that she was treating on him with and she didn't enjoy being with the
01:17:45
kids then on the night she was killed he confronted her as she arrived to the house and said he'd win in the divorce
01:17:52
battle Diane became furious and charged at him with a knife cutting him on the side this is how he says he really got
01:18:00
his scratch the one that was seen the night he took his clothes off at the police station that night he said he got
01:18:06
it from playing with the kids now he changed his story during the attack joe said he couldn't control Diane and it
01:18:15
ended up becoming a battle of life or death during which he had to kill her in order to protect himself
01:18:21
Joe's lawyers painted a picture of going in running off with other men all of the
01:18:25
time and being a bad mother he made it believable to at least some of the jurors as one of them told the
01:18:31
other let's face it she was nothing but a pig and a [ __ ] but the jury didn't buy Joe's self-defense story on the 16th
01:18:41
of March they returned with their verdict guilty on the 18th of April they were back in court for sentencing it was
01:18:50
announced that Mary Bane had found a new evidence a tape where Joe and Diane had
01:18:55
a fight and Diane called him a [ __ ] and a bully amongst other names and also threatened to stab him
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Joe's lawyer asked for a postponement on the sentencing until the evidence could
01:19:06
be presented in the form of a petition to set aside the guilty verdict and ask for a new trial the judge agreed on the
01:19:15
second of June Joe was secretly transferred from the Orange County Jail to the nearby Arden
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Hill hospital his health had been deteriorating rapidly and he died only a few hours later he
01:19:28
was buried in the cemetery next to the hammock Gansett house he murdered Diane six months after his
01:19:35
death his conviction was vacated because he died before he had the chance to appeal so technically he died an
01:19:43
innocent man in 1990 the adoption of Claudia and Blake by the oguns became final years later Kathy Odom's stated
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it's not clear to us from what the children have told us that they did not wake up that night
01:19:59
or that they were unaware of a fight or unusual activity and it's clear to us that Claudia would not have revealed to
01:20:06
anyone including justice Glen anything she might have seen or heard not only to protect her father but because she knew
01:20:15
that such a revelation would have put her security in terms of her life with her father in danger
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Episode Highlights

  • Diane's Dream
    Diane Whitmore always dreamed of making it in New York, but her life took unexpected turns.
    “Diane always dreamed of making it in New York.”
    @ 00m 24s
    November 19, 2018
  • Turbulent Marriage
    Diane's marriage to Joe was marked by violence and emotional turmoil, leading her to seek help.
    “I want to divorce Joe but I can't leave him because if I do he will kill me.”
    @ 17m 13s
    November 19, 2018
  • Struggling for Peace
    Diane expresses her struggle to find peace amidst Joe's erratic behavior and mood swings.
    “I find my plans continually sabotage along with my peace of mind.”
    @ 22m 00s
    November 19, 2018
  • Diane's Struggles
    Diane expresses her overwhelming feelings about her divorce and family situation.
    “It's so hard, I'm so tired.”
    @ 23m 46s
    November 19, 2018
  • Joe's Disturbing Behavior
    Joe's actions raise suspicions about his involvement in Diane's disappearance.
    “Where can I bury it?”
    @ 30m 43s
    November 19, 2018
  • The Search for Diane
    Friends and family begin to worry as Diane goes missing after a weekend trip.
    “We're your friends and we're trying to find your mummy.”
    @ 36m 11s
    November 19, 2018
  • Discovery of Diane's Body
    Diane's body was found wrapped in towels, leading to a major breakthrough in the case.
    “They found Diane's body wrapped in towels and covered in plastic.”
    @ 51m 32s
    November 19, 2018
  • Joe's Arrest
    Joe was arrested for Diane's murder after a series of suspicious events.
    “They told her they wanted to get information on Joe Pikul.”
    @ 54m 27s
    November 19, 2018
  • Custody Battle
    Diane's family filed for custody of her children, citing safety concerns.
    “We are not seeking to pass judgment on Joseph Michael.”
    @ 01h 02m 47s
    November 19, 2018
  • Custody Battle Escalates
    Diane's friends organized a protest against the judge's decision to grant Joe custody.
    “Felder was scared the picketing would backfire on them.”
    @ 01h 06m 38s
    November 19, 2018
  • Mary Bain's Testimony
    Mary testified about Joe's violent behavior, leading to a significant change in custody.
    “Mary described getting home late one day Joe was furious.”
    @ 01h 13m 02s
    November 19, 2018
  • Joe's Death and Aftermath
    Joe died shortly after being transferred to the hospital, leaving his conviction vacated.
    “Technically he died an innocent man.”
    @ 01h 19m 43s
    November 19, 2018

Episode Quotes

  • Diane always dreamed of making it in New York.
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  • I find my plans continually sabotage along with my peace of mind.
    The dark side of Wall Street romance
  • Where can I bury it?
    The dark side of Wall Street romance
  • I never did anything wrong before in my life.
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  • I want to see my kids.
    The dark side of Wall Street romance
  • He can't kill them all.
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Key Moments

  • New York Dreams00:13
  • Turbulent Relationship03:31
  • Divorce Thoughts17:13
  • Joe's Alarming Calls33:21
  • First Interview44:54
  • Changing Stories45:11
  • Body Found51:32
  • Joe's Death1:19:28

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