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during the winter of 1993 the Melbourne suburb of Frankston was terrorized by a vicious serial killer named Paul Daniel
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three decades later Danielle has applied for parole to coincide with Daniel's bid for parole
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our website foreign on the morning of Wednesday February 10 1993 A call came through to the United
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Kingdom's emergency service helpline 999. when the operator answered they were met
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with squeals followed by muffled talking it was a child playing a joke or calling
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by mistake the operator asked is Mummy there they could hear someone walking around a
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room on the other line while seemingly opening and closing drawers and cupboards
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this continued for six minutes the operator then noted in their system child on the line and ended the call
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although protocol dictated that these types of calls be put through to the police nothing further was done
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[Music] foreign [Music] foreign on the morning of Wednesday February 10 1993 Barbara Johnson picked up the phone
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and dialed the familiar number of her daughter's home line she listened with growing frustration as
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she was once again met with the engaged signal Barbara waited a few minutes before
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trying again it was still engaged Barbara was starting to get worried she was incredibly close with her
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daughter 27 year old Nicola Fuller and the two spoke almost to daily but Barbara hadn't heard from Nicola
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since Sunday she'd been trying to reach her since 8 45 am but almost half an hour had passed
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and she still couldn't get through at 9 15 Barbara tried Nicola at work instead Nicola was employed part-time as a sales
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assistant at a shopping center not far from her home in the British Market town of wadhurst in East Sussex
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but Barbara was informed that Nicola hadn't come in Barbara tried not to worry but she
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instinctively knew that something was wrong it simply wasn't like Nicola to go three
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days without getting in touch with her parents Nicola's home phone remained engaged all
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day by the afternoon her parents decided to stop by her home to see what was going
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on Nicola lived with her husband Harry on woodhurst's High Street the newlyweds had recently rented a
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black men's Cottage a semi-detached three-story home nestled on a retail strip among a row of centuries-old
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buildings it was a Charming old residence painted stark white with a black roof and small front garden the front windows
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overlooked the historic Main Street and surrounding shops guests were welcomed with a plaque
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adorned with two owls it was a quintessential English cottage in a quintessential English village with
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a population of only a few thousand people at the rear of Blackman's Cottage was a
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large car park that serviced the shops and adjacent High School both Nikola and Harry's cars were there
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Barbara Johnson and her husband Michael peered through the back door of the cottage
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their daughter's bag and car keys were sitting on a nearby table they knocked but there was no answer
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concern washed over the Johnsons they called the police and requested someone conduct a welfare check
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officers arrived at just before 6 pm Nicola's parents followed police to the front of the home
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everything appeared eerily quiet the curtains were drawn and the front door was locked
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[Music] police had no choice but to break it down [Music] inside everything appeared to be in
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place there were no signs of a break-in or a struggle but as officers made their way from the
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front Lounge room to the kitchen they noticed something sticking out from the doorway of an adjoining utility room
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a pair of legs in the utility room 45 year old Harry Fuller was sprawled on the floor in a
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pool of blood his body had been propped up against the washing machine his face covered by a
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leather coat he'd been fatally shot in the back a single bullet puncturing his heart
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police made their way upstairs on the first floor Landing a trail of blood LED them past the Fallen coffee
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cup and ashtray into Harry into Nicola's bedroom a blood-soaked quilt lay on the floor
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underneath was the body of Nicola Fuller she'd been shot four times once in the shoulder and three times in the face
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Nicola's parents were quickly ushered outside they couldn't believe what was happening
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it all felt completely surreal as though they were watching a film Nicola and Harry had only been married
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for five months they'd met in June the previous year and immediately hit it off it was an unusual pairing Harry was 18
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years older than Nicola and the polar opposite of her personality while Nicola was extremely reserved and
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quiet Harry was boisterous and charismatic she preferred to fly under the radar while Harry enjoyed flaunting the Finer
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Things in life he worked as a car dealer and loved showing off his expensive Rolls-Royce
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and Range Rover but the pair brought out the best in one another and quickly fell in love
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within two months of being introduced they were engaged their wedding was a modest affair
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they tied the knot at a local registry office in the town of Tunbridge Wells before having their Union blessed by a
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reverend at Saint Mark's Church Nicola's family were concerned about how quickly things progressed but Nicola was
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adamant Not only was she ready to settle down she was incredibly happy with Harry
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his zest for life was contagious and he'd helped bring Nicola out of her shell Nicola's parents saw the positive
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influence Harry had on their daughter he traded her well and was very protective of her
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they ultimately welcomed Harry into their family with open arms Blackman's Cottage was cordoned off as
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investigators tried to piece together the tragic events that had taken place inside
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it was quickly established that the murders had occurred earlier that morning the previous evening of Tuesday February
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9 Nicola had gone out to dinner with friends Harry had picked her up at around 11 P.M
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none of Nicola's friends had noticed anything unusual about the couple's Behavior
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both Nicola and Harry had been in good spirits they'd spoken excitedly about a holiday
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in the Canary Islands they had planned for the following week located a few doors down from Blackman's
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Cottage was a tobacconist and news agency on the morning of the murders the clerk
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recalled that Harry Fuller came in just after 8 30 to purchase cigarettes and a newspaper
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Nicola's mother Barbara had first tried calling the Fuller's home at around 8 45
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am only to find the line engaged the owners of the tea shop next door to the cottage recalled hearing three or
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four louder bangs around 9am but they just thought it was the Fullers banging on the wall to tell them to turn their
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radio down investigators therefore deduced that the shootings had taken place sometime
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between 8 35 and 9 am Harry had been shot in the kitchen his body then dragged to the nearby utility
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room given that he'd been shot in the back and there were no signs of a struggle it
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was likely that he'd been targeted first a strange white powder had been sprinkled over his torso
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next to Harry was a small plastic baggie containing the same substance Nicola was on the first floor Landing
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having a coffee and cigarette when the killer struck she was still in her dressing gown and
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holding a towel possibly on her way to the shower based on the forensics investigators
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deduced that Nicola was first shot in the shoulder from behind she then turned around to face the
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perpetrator only to be shot in the forehead and left cheek these two bullets shuddered her eye and
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splintered her skull under jaw still clinging to life Nicola managed to crawl to her bedroom
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the killer likely heard movements indicating that Nicola was still alive and returned to the room
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they threw a quilt over her head and administered the final fatal gunshot a blood-soaked telephone handset lay
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next to Nicola's body indicating that she may have tried to call for help given that no cause had been registered
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by Emergency Services it appeared the shooter had killed her before she had the chance
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both Harry and Nicola had been shot at close range [Music] a hurtenberger brand cartridge case was
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found outside the utility room a ballistic expert determined it had been fired from a 32 Caliber Walther PPK
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self-loading pistol other than that the killer Left Behind very few Clues as thou research of the Fuller's home
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failed to uncover anything significant nothing had been ransacked or appeared to have been stolen leaving one
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investigator to conclude quote whoever killed them did so In Cold Blood hurst's High Street was a busy
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thoroughfare that connected the counties of East Sussex and Kent had housed a handful of restaurants two
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Banks a butcher and several other retail stores and businesses a high school with over a thousand
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students was also tucked to just off the main strip just behind Blackman's Cottage and pupils often milled around
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before classes started in the morning yet during The crucial time window between 8 35 and 9 am nobody had
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witnessed anything particularly suspicious police established a command center on
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High Street and set up a tip line appealing for any witnesses to come forward an investigator told the media
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someone out there must have seen these people coming out of this house if we get any inkling of a description that is
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really going to help us [Music] based on various witness reports a timeline of events was established
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at around 6 30 a.m on the morning of the murders a postal worker had been driving
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down High Street when he passed the Blackman's Cottage as usual the road was quiet before the
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morning bustle commenced the postman was therefore taken by surprise when a car pulled out in front
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of him from behind the Fuller's house it was a blue Ford Escort behind the wheel was a well-built nail
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driver aged between 35 and 40 years old the escort continued North up the Main Street until disappearing out of sight
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and just over half an hour later at 705 a passerby on High Street saw two tall smartly dressed men get out of a
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cream-colored Ford Sierra they walked up The Path towards Blackman's Cottage but no one saw them
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leave a woman was passing the rear of the cottage just before 8 AM when she saw a
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black vehicle pull into the car park it had a long Bonnet similar to a jaguar a man wearing a long black coat got out
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but she didn't see where he went Lloyd's Bank was located on the opposite side of High Street with a security
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camera facing towards the Tobacconist the footage confirmed that Harry Fuller entered the tobacconist alone at 8 34 am
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leaving just minutes later he didn't appear to have been followed and nothing else suspicious was captured
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on the tape however a Jaguar xjs was confirmed to be in the area a schoolgirl walked past the black men's
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Cottage at around 9am police that she heard a door slam and someone then bumped into her
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when she looked up she saw another man standing by the cottage door based on this and the report of the two
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men seen getting out of the Ford Sierra police considered the possibility that there were two killers
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however the schoolgirl had been accompanied by a friend who had a different recollection
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Shea said these events had occurred on different days rather than simultaneously
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[Music] news of the murders shocked the community Not only was wadhurst considered to be a
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quiet safe Village locals couldn't believe that a seemingly normal couple could be the targets of such a heinous
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crime [Music] although Harry and Nicola were relatively new to the area and mostly
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kept to themselves there was nothing about them that raised any red flags that was until police started digging
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into Harry's background and another picture emerged entirely Harry Fuller hadn't done very well at
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school he was dyslexic which meant he struggled with reading and writing but Harry thrived in other areas
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he had the gift of the gab was good with his hands and always recognized a good deal
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using these skills to his Advantage he worked in the building and Roofing trade before moving into car dealing
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he attended auctions and networked buying used cars he could allowed herself for a profit
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the business served him well the only problem was Finding somewhere to store the vehicles
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when Blackman's Cottage became available Harry was elated it meant he'd have access to the large
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car park at the rear of the property but he seemed to be wary about the move neighbors noticed that he wouldn't open
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the front door without looking out the window first and he only opened the door for people he knew
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it was possible that he was just being overly cautious most of Harry's business transactions
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were done in cash and he wasn't shy about showing it off friends and Associates said Harry didn't
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even bother to carry a wallet instead carrying briefcases and bankrolls full of cash
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and given the white powder that was scattered over Harry's body the obvious theory was that the murders could have
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been drug related investigators considered the possibility that Harry's car dealings were just a
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front for an illegal cocaine operation some of his business associates had checkered pasts and one was rumored to
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have served prison time for manslaughter even Harry himself had previous run-ins
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with the law with prior convictions for dishonesty and burglary some who knew Harry described him as a
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con man he was a big talker who liked to exaggerate things particularly when it came to his wealth
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former neighbors accused Harry of having conned them out of money by conducting seemingly free repairs to their homes
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which he then charged them exorbitantly for Harry had voiced concerns about his past
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to a business associate he was worried that there were certain individuals who might feel compelled to
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track him down it quickly became clear that Harry was paranoid about something the Fullers had only been living in
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black men's cottage for five months but police discovered that Harry had already
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changed their phone number three times in that period the most recent just a week before the
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murders given there were no signs of a break-in police were convinced that Harry likely
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knew his killer and had willingly let them inside the white powder found on Harry's body
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was taken for testing it wasn't cocaine at all but sugar with no other evidence to support the
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drug Theory it was quickly ruled out but the sugar did provide a clue it meant that whoever had killed the
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Fullers had likely premeditated the crime sprinkling the sugar over Harry's body as a red herring
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not long before the murders Harry had bought a BMW from another car dealer which he intended to sell
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however he discovered that the engine and the license plates had been changed telltale signs that the car was stolen
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Harry was indignant he reported the theft to the police which ultimately LED them to uncover a
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car ringing operation as a result of the bust some of Harry's business associates lost money
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they were not happy the decision to report the theft came back to haunt Harry just five days before he was killed
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Harry told an officer that one of his embittered associates Roger Lee suspected that Harry was the snitch and
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had started giving him trouble Roger Lee was a car dealer and reputed gangster with a proclivity for violence
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and cocaine he was known to carry around a shotgun which he wasn't afraid to threaten
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people with he also drove a Jaguar xjs similar to that captured in the Lloyd's Bank
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security footage investigators considered the possibility that Roger Lee had gone to the Fuller's
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house to seek revenge on Harry they tracked him down to a caravan roughly 20 miles from Whitehurst
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Lee was uncooperative and refused to answer any questions he quickly became the number one person
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of interest but with no evidence to tie him to the crimes police had no grounds to make an arrest
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posters appealing for information were plastered at the car auction sites that Harry frequented but within days of the
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murders investigators were considering another angle altogether by all accounts Harry and Nicola had
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been happily married but if history was anything to go by some reported that infidelity could be at Play
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this wasn't Harry's first marriage he'd only recently gotten divorced and had a three-year-old daughter with his ex-wife
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there were also one confirmed reports of a third failed marriage Harry was widely known to be a ladies
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man with his head of dark hair traditional good looks and roguish ways many women
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found him to be very Charming one friend told today that Harry quote had a finger in every pie going
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police couldn't find any evidence that Harry was unfaithful to Nicola on the contrary people noted that he was
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incredibly protective of his new wife he took great care of her and put her on a pedestal
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he was always buying her gifts and sending her flowers prior to their wedding the couple had
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met with a priest Harry told him that he was looking forward to a fresh start with Nicola
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[Music] Nicola's family loved Harry but as the skeletons emerged from his closet they
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found it difficult not to blame him for what happened to their beloved Nikki they had no doubt that Nicola was
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completely unaware of Harry's business dealings and shady past Nicola's Father Michael described his
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daughter as an English Rose saying she would never do anything to hurt someone she would have been totally
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devastated by all of this police considered whether Harry and Nicola could have been the victims of a
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contract killing had a vengeful business associate hired someone to take Harry out and Nicola was
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unfortunate enough to be collateral damage or had a scorned a lover sought the ultimate revenge on an Unfaithful
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partner the lead investigator told the media the nature of the killings means the
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possibility that we are looking at a professional murder cannot be ruled out the killer was certainly ruthless in the
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way he executed his crime Harry's family shied away from the media but on February 15 five days after the
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murders Nicola's parents Michael and Barbara Johnson appeared at a press conference appealing for anyone with
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information to come forward Barbara sobbed quietly as Michael struggled to get out the words
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his voice shaking he said whoever killed Harry Nicola was an innocent Witness both families are totally devastated
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please come forward and Trust the police I can see no reason why there should be
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anything to fear meanwhile police obtained Roger Lee's mobile phone records from the morning of
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Wednesday February 10 1993. Dada confirmed he was nowhere near woodhurst at the time
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what initially seemed like a promising lead was yet another in a long line of red herrings
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Blackman's Cottage became a makeshift Memorial as grieving loved ones and shocked members of the community visited
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to place flowers on the doorstep inside the search for Clues continued police were especially interested in
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finding where Harry stashed his money Harry had recently gone into business with one of his neighbors
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the woman told police that just 10 days before the murders she gave Harry 13 000
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pounds in cash a majority of which was in 20 pound notes the plan was simple Harry would use the
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money to buy cars which he'd sell the two would then split the prophets down the middle
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in the days following this Handover Harry hadn't made any large Bank deposits or significant purchases
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it therefore made sense to assume that at least some of the money would be in his house
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but police couldn't find any sign of it despite Harry's reputation for flashing briefcases full of money all they found
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was a grand total of 210 pounds however the surge did uncover something else of Interest
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under a couch in the lounge room police found an old gmark brand answering machine
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under another couch was a boots brand answering machine pressing play on the tapes it became
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apparent that the Fullers had been recording all of their recent phone calls although no one close to the couple had
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any explanation as to why they might be doing this the content of the tapes provided some fascinating insights
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you support casefile to continue to deliver quality content foreign machine contained several conversations
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and messages most of which were run-of-the-mill exchanges between friends family and business associates
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except one Harry it's Colin the final undated message said I'm going to come around tomorrow and
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we're going to have a serious talk about what you did to me tonight I'm pretty pissed off with you and
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you're going to pay for it the caller was identified as Colin Gabriel a former car dealing business
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partner of Harry Fuller's police tracked Colin down and asked him about the threatening message
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Colin explained that roughly three months earlier around November of 1992 he and Harry had a falling out
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he said he'd left the message around that time and the two had nothing to do with one another since
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although there was nothing to verify when Colin had left the message police didn't find anything else to link him to
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the crime and he was deemed an unlikely suspect they hoped a conversation recorded on
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the other GMAC answering machine would prove more fruitful the 49 minutes of audio recordings on
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this device had all been captured within two days of Harry and Nicola's deaths one conversation had been recorded the
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night before while Nikola had been out dining with friends in it Harry sent a jovial and
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good-natured as the male caller asked him how he was doing very well indeed Harry responded
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couldn't be better the man told Harry that he'd popped over to see him the previous evening at
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around seven o'clock the lights were on so he knocked but there was no answer Harry said he'd been at the gym
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the two then arranged a meeting for eight o'clock the following morning the man agreed to come to the Fuller's
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home Harry responded warmly you're a gentleman don't let me down see you in the morning my darling
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the caller was equally cheerful ending the conversation by saying ciao for now although it was a casual seemingly
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light-hearted conversation between friends it raised some red flags Harry Fuller wasn't known to be a
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morning person so why was he agreeing to such an early morning meeting furthermore if the caller had indeed
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visited the Fuller's home at 8am as the pair planned it put him at the scene of the crime within the key time period of
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the murders while this didn't necessarily mean the caller was involved it meant they could
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be a vital Witness all investigators had to go by was the caller's first name Steve
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he was the only caller on the GMAC answering machine who they couldn't identify they began compiling a list of all the
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Steves known to Harry Fuller or anyone with that name who may have come into contact with Harry in recent times
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given that the Fullers had only changed their phone number the week before the murders it meant only a select few had
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been given their latest number but with such a large network of friends acquaintances and Associates the list of
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potential Steves soon grew to dozens of individuals police attempted to track down into
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question H1 while keeping their knowledge of the recorded phone call was Secret each one denied having any knowledge of
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Harry or Nicola's death a ten thousand pound reward for information was announced but still the
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mysterious Steve remained silent [Music] the reality was that no matter how beloved Harry Fuller was he also had an
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abundance of enemies the various lines of inquiry made it difficult to ascertain which was the
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right path while police had no shortage of leads three weeks passed with no major
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breakthroughs they sent a letter to every household in wadhurst providing an update on the case
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and continuing their appeal for information then one investigating officer had an
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idea he picked up the telephone handset that had been found beside Nicola Fuller's
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body and pressed the redial button perhaps it would lead them to Steve or to another key person Harry or Nicola
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might have spoken to prior to the crime the answer on the other end of the line surprised him
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emergency which service there hadn't been any record of an emergency 999 call being placed from
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Blackman's Cottage neither police nor paramedics had been summoned to the property on the morning
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that Harry and Nicola were killed investigators now realized that Nicola might have succeeded in calling for help
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after all they obtained a recording of the calls that had come through to 999 on
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Wednesday February 10 1993. at 8 34 am a Corps was placed from Blackman's Cottage
00:37:56
the caller didn't speak and only made squealing sounds down the receiver the answering Emergency Services
00:38:03
operator interpreted these sounds to be that of a child playing around and to disconnected the call
00:38:12
police realized the muffled cries had actually been Nicola Fuller The Gunshot to her head that had
00:38:19
shattered her jaw had also severed her tongue she was trying to ask the operator for
00:38:26
help but was unable to speak clearly it was while she had the operator on the line that the killer placed a quilt over
00:38:33
Nicola's head and administered the final fatal gunshot unaware the call had gone through the
00:38:42
killer continued walking around to the house opening and closing drawers when Nicola's family found out about
00:38:50
this they were shattered the woodhurst police station was roughly 200 yards from Blackman's Cottage
00:38:58
if Nicholas Cole had been patched through they believed she could have been saved or at the very least the
00:39:05
killer could have been caught in the act Nicola's parents met with British Telecom the company responsible for
00:39:13
handling the calls demanding an explanation and public apology the request was denied
00:39:24
by April 1993 two months had passed since the double homicide and police were no closer to making an arrest
00:39:32
they decided it was time to reveal their full hand a segment about the case was aired on
00:39:40
crime watch a popular BBC television program that created reconstructions of major unsolved crimes
00:39:48
in it police released an edited audio clip of Harry Fuller talking to the elusive Steve with Steve's name cut out
00:39:56
[Music] a detective who worked on the case told viewers it's absolutely crucial that we find
00:40:04
this man we haven't found him and he hasn't come forward there may be some reason for that but we
00:40:12
really need to find him and I'd ask anybody that's listening tonight who either recognizes his voice or thinks
00:40:18
they recognize his voice to please make contact with us alternatively if the man concerned is
00:40:26
listening and he himself wants to contact us to eliminate him then please do contact us
00:40:35
a woman named Sheila was watching the segment at home she thought she recognized that the
00:40:40
voice as her brother-in-law Steve Young but she couldn't be sure Sheila decided to sleep on it
00:40:49
the next day she called Steve Young and asked if he had spoken to Harry Fuller on the night before the murders
00:40:57
Steve said no Sheila was baffled The Voice had sounded so much like him she urged her brother-in-law to contact
00:41:08
the police anyway just to eliminate himself from the investigation Steve Young was Harry's insurance broker
00:41:18
the two had known each other since the early 80s but had lost touch over the years they'd only recently run into each
00:41:25
other again and started a business relationship about two weeks into the Fuller murder
00:41:31
inquiry police had questioned Steve Young as part of the routine probe into Harry's business dealings
00:41:38
Steve said their relationship was purely professional they didn't have a friendship outside of work
00:41:45
they'd last spoken about five days before the murders when Harry called Steve to discuss a cover note that was
00:41:52
about to expire Steve claimed he was in his office on the morning of Wednesday February 10
00:41:59
1993 and that his secretary could verify his whereabouts there was nothing about him that aroused
00:42:07
police suspicions so he wasn't looked into any further but Sheila wasn't the only one who
00:42:15
recognized The Voice around at the same time an anonymous male called the police tip line stating
00:42:24
the voice is Steve Young [Music] two days after the crime watch episode aired two officers were dispatched to
00:42:35
interview Steve Young at his office before they had the chance they were called back
00:42:41
young had just walked into the Sussex police station and identified himself as the caller on the tape
00:42:49
he'd also handed police a two-page statement in which he admitted that he'd initially lied to the interviewing
00:42:55
officers young explained that one of his clients had a Porsche they wanted to sell
00:43:02
he told Harry Fuller about it and he was interested in checking it out on the evening of Tuesday February 9
00:43:10
young called Harry to arrange an inspection for 8 am the following day as young made his way towardhurst the
00:43:19
next morning he was unexpectedly held up by Road works by the time he arrived at Blackman's
00:43:26
Cottage it was around 20 past eight the curtains were drawn so he assumed the Fullers were still asleep
00:43:35
young said he knocked on the door but there was no answer he walked down High Street to waste some
00:43:42
time before returning to Blackman's Cottage at around 8 40 AM the curtains were still drawn and again
00:43:50
his knocks went unanswered Steve Young was adamant he hadn't seen or heard anything suspicious at the
00:43:58
property when he found out that Harry and Nicola had been murdered he was shocked
00:44:05
he claimed to have contacted the police to see if they wanted to question him but his core was never returned so he
00:44:11
just assumed his statement wasn't of any interest by the time police visited him as part
00:44:18
of their routine questioning he'd heard about Harry's Shady business dealings young claimed he lied about his
00:44:25
whereabouts on the day of the murders because he was afraid for his own safety for investigators there was nothing
00:44:34
about Steve Young that raised any red flags aged in his mid-30s the married father
00:44:40
of two was a well-educated law-abiding citizen with no criminal record by all accounts he was a doting husband
00:44:48
and supportive parent a pillar of the community he helped to run his sons under 11 football team and
00:44:56
was enthusiastically involved in the local drama club just a few months earlier he'd stole on
00:45:03
the show with his comedic acting skills during The Village's Christmas pantomime
00:45:09
he was respected by the community and clients alike still it was hard to comprehend why he
00:45:17
had an approach to the police straight away the officer who questioned young early
00:45:22
on in the investigation had denoted him as relaxed and normal with nothing in his demeanor arousing any suspicion
00:45:31
they couldn't help but wonder if he had something to hide Steve Young agreed to be formally
00:45:39
interviewed he admitted that he probably wouldn't have come forward if the recording of
00:45:45
his call with Harry hadn't been aired on crime watch given that he hadn't seen anything that
00:45:51
could help with the investigation he simply didn't want to be involved in any way
00:45:57
when asked whether he had access to any Firearms young said he was the treasurer
00:46:02
of a local Rifle Club he owned several guns Each of which were legally licensed a shotgun a revolver
00:46:11
and three pistols none of them were 32 caliber pistols the type used in the Fuller murders
00:46:22
even though they had no evidence to link him to the crime police suspected Steve
00:46:27
Young knew more than he was letting on they placed him under arrest while further investigation was conducted
00:46:35
treading carefully with young in a bid to keep him talking police looked into Steve Young's
00:46:42
movements on Wednesday February 10. after leaving Blackman's Cottage it was a typical working day for the insurance
00:46:50
broker he had some meetings spoke with some business associates and chatted on the
00:46:56
phone with his wife in the evening he attended a meeting at the Freemasons Lodge where he was a
00:47:03
member he'd been his normal self nobody had noticed anything strange about his behavior
00:47:13
a warrant was obtained to search Young's Home and Office while he'd already admitted to being a
00:47:19
gun enthusiast who was legally Licensed To Own multiple weapons police were shocked at what they found
00:47:27
in addition to the Firearms young had already disclosed they found deactivated grenade launches bayonets replica
00:47:36
submachine guns combat gear masks and even fake number plates one of the illegal guns a loaded nine
00:47:45
millimeter automatic pistol had been stashed underneath the bed of one of Young's children
00:47:52
the search also uncovered thousands of rounds of ammunition when the collection of Arsenal was laid
00:47:59
out it filled the size of a squash cord while this was deeply troubling one weapon was notably absent a 32 caliber
00:48:10
pistol [Music] young had already told police that he topped up his ammunition supplier by
00:48:18
reloading this is a common practice used by gun enthusiasts to save money instead of purchasing mass-produced
00:48:27
ammunition one can collect empty cases and to then assemble the individual components including gunpowder primers
00:48:34
and bullet heads police found Young's reloading machine the markings on his reloaded ammunition
00:48:43
was compared to the ammunition recovered from Blackman's Cottage they looked remarkably similar
00:48:54
when the police asked young what car he drove to Blackman's Cottage he was oddly
00:48:58
cagey he yummed and awed before saying it was probably his white Volkswagen Golf
00:49:07
the police looked for the car at Young's Home and Office it wasn't there they asked him where it was and he said
00:49:16
he'd recently taken it to a mechanic to have some work done [Music] police tracked the golf down only to
00:49:24
discover that young had only taken it in the day after the segment about the fullest murders had aired on crime watch
00:49:32
a mobile telephone inside the vehicle was confirmed to have made a call to the Fuller's home at 8 10 on the morning of
00:49:40
the murders although the Volkswagen Golf was a popular model Young's vehicle was unique
00:49:48
looking with distinct modifications including alloy wheels this made it easy for investigators to
00:49:55
differentiate it from other white cars when reviewing the security footage taken from Lloyd's Bank
00:50:02
they focused on the times that Steve Young claimed to have arrived and departed from the area 8 20 and 8 40 AM
00:50:11
but there was no sign of the Gulf they viewed the footage captured earlier and later than the times young had given
00:50:20
sure enough they found the car he'd been caught in yet another lie [Music] with the circumstantial evidence
00:50:34
mounting against Steve Young the biggest question was why would he want to kill Harry and Nicola Fuller
00:50:42
he had no known grudges with either of them nor was there anything to suggest any kind of romantic involvement
00:50:49
in fact he barely knew them police asked young about his financial situation he responded it was pretty tight
00:51:01
this soon proved to be a major understatement Steve Young was deep in debt he'd inherited his home from his father
00:51:11
but had since taken out several mortgages which had overdue payments his insurance brokerage was trading
00:51:19
insolvently and hadn't turned a profit in eight years instead of using his clients money to
00:51:26
pay their insurance premiums young was using it to pay off his own debts with no funds left over to pay the
00:51:34
insurance companies his brokerage was under threat of being shut down his financial situation was deemed
00:51:42
critical all up young owed over one hundred thousand pounds to multiple friends family members and businesses
00:51:53
the provincial insurance company was one such business young owed them thirteen and a half
00:52:00
thousand pounds in backdated premiums police discovered that just two days before Harry and Nicola were killed a
00:52:08
representative from provincial had called Young he said he'd be coming to Young's office
00:52:14
on Wednesday February 10 to collect the outstanding debt if he didn't pay up they'd no longer do
00:52:22
business with him the appointment went ahead as planned young handed over a check for six
00:52:30
thousand pounds which cleared with no problems police discovered that young kept a
00:52:37
detailed record of all the people he borrowed money from there was no record of him having
00:52:43
borrowed a large sum of money before this meeting this raised the obvious question
00:52:50
where did he get his money from a check of Steve Young's bank records confirmed that he deposited 6 000 pounds
00:53:00
into his business account on the morning of Wednesday February 10. just after Harry and Nicola were killed
00:53:08
the deposit was made in 20 pound notes just like the unaccounted for payment that Harry Fuller had received from his
00:53:16
neighbor young had also paid off an outstanding phone bill of 360 pounds the police asked young where he got this
00:53:27
cash from he explained that a friend had elected to him two years ago and he'd been
00:53:33
hanging on to it in case of an emergency meanwhile an officer searching Young's office found a single 32 Caliber
00:53:43
hurtenberger Bullard a ballistics expert examined it and determined it had been shot from a
00:53:50
Walther PPK self-loading pistol the same as the gun used to kill Harry and Nicola Fuller
00:54:14
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when pressed young maintained his innocence he explained that he'd once reloaded
00:56:45
some 32 caliber ammunition for another member of his gun club but had never owned such a weapon himself
00:56:53
it was no use he'd been caught in too many lies Steve Young was formally charged with
00:57:01
the double murder of Harry and Nicola Fuller police dubbed him the Iceman for the way
00:57:06
he was able to go about his life immediately after the crimes as though nothing had happened
00:57:13
Harry and Nicholas families were stunned young lived just down the road from Harry's brother Tom and they sometimes
00:57:21
ran into each other at the local pub he couldn't believe that such an apparently
00:57:27
normal person could commit such a heinous crime to Nicola's family young was a complete
00:57:35
stranger her sister Michelle told crime watch I found it hard to believe that their
00:57:43
insurance broker would have access to guns let alone that he would commit such a crime
00:57:48
it didn't seem to fit the character or the sort of person you assume an assurance broker to be
00:57:54
but then what is a murderer like what job do they do in the first week of May three months
00:58:05
after they were killed Harry and Nicola were laid to rest in separate ceremonies
00:58:10
their funerals suited their personalities Harry's a large event and Nicola's modest and private
00:58:19
Nicola's funeral took place the day after Harry's at the same church where the pair's marriage had been blessed to
00:58:25
just eight months prior the presiding Reverend told the Canton Sussex Courier you cannot make sense of a nonsense like
00:58:35
this it is hard to do anything other than stand together in sorrow and sadness Steve Young's trial for the double
00:58:48
murder commenced in late February 1994 in just over a year after Harry and Nicola were killed
00:58:55
the prosecution's case was relatively straightforward while the evidence against young was
00:59:02
circumstantial they said his dire financial situation gave him motivation to Target Harry Fuller who was known to
00:59:09
carry large sums of cash by setting up a meeting with Harry about his client's Porsche he established an
00:59:16
explanation for his presence at Blackman's Cottage he's access to Firearms gave him the
00:59:22
means to carry out the crime while the discovery of similar bullets to those used in the murders proved a link
00:59:30
he's changing stories and the lies he told to police were further proof of his guilt
00:59:36
Nicola Fuller was a victim of collateral damage young had shot her purely to avoid her
00:59:43
identifying him as her husband's killer the defense disputed this entirely if Young's sole motive was financial
00:59:54
gain there were plenty of other people who could have targeted Harry Fuller for this same reason
01:00:00
what about his other enemies and scorned business associates and if all young wanted was a quick cash
01:00:07
grab why not break in and Rob Blackman's Cottage when nobody was home if Nicola wasn't a Target why didn't he
01:00:16
organize to meet Harry at a different location or when he was alone the courtroom was tense as Steve Young
01:00:25
took the stand in his own defense in an unexpected twist he provided a brand new account of the events that
01:00:33
unfolded on the morning of February 10. for the first time young gave an explanation for the 8 10 AM phone call
01:00:42
between himself and Harry Fuller he claimed that he called Harry upon his arrival to black man's Cottage because
01:00:49
the curtains were all drawn and there was no response when he knocked on the door
01:00:55
the call apparently woke Harry up Harry told young to give him some time so young waited in his car
01:01:05
a short while later he noticed that a curtain had been opened he knocked again but still there was no response
01:01:14
he walked to the rear of the property in case Harry had decided to wait for him in the car park
01:01:20
when he got there he saw that the back door was slightly open young looked inside and saw Harry lying
01:01:28
on the ground he rushed inside and felt for a pulse but there wasn't one at first he assumed Harry had a heart
01:01:38
attack but he then noticed blood was coming from Harry's head a cartridge case was lying nearby
01:01:47
from his experience with guns young said he recognized it as being from a 32 caliber bullet
01:01:56
for the first time young admitted that he had once owned a replica 32 Walther PPK pistol
01:02:03
he said he'd purchased it from a Chinese mail order five years prior but had since sold it to someone else
01:02:10
Harry Fuller young claimed that in the months before Harry was killed he and another man
01:02:18
approached a young at his office asking if he could help Harry purchase a gun for protection
01:02:24
young sold him the Walther PPK along with some of his reloaded ammunition young said that upon realizing Harry was
01:02:34
dead he panicked he immediately fled outside looking back at the house he saw an
01:02:42
unfamiliar face of a boarding male in the upstairs window young dialed 999 but then paused
01:02:53
Harry Fuller had been killed by the very weapon that young had sold him illegally
01:02:59
fearing that he'd be incorrectly linked to the crime or that his life would be in danger for being a witness he made
01:03:06
the difficult decision to keep what he saw to himself in the week's following young said that
01:03:14
an anonymous male called his office multiple times making threats against him and his family
01:03:20
his fear was so immense that he was compelled to lie and put on a facade of calm when questioned by the police
01:03:30
the defense presented the possibility that another of Harry's enemies had entered Blackman's Cottage that morning
01:03:36
perhaps Harry had drawn his gun on the assailant who managed to take hold of the weapon themselves and then used it
01:03:43
to kill the couple the prosecution disputed this had someone gone to the Fuller's home
01:03:51
with the intention to kill Common Sense dictated that they would have brought their own weapon
01:03:57
also Harry had been shot from behind at close range it was unlikely he would have turned his
01:04:04
back while a gun was being aimed at him Young's story about selling Harry his Walther PPK along with some of his
01:04:12
reloaded ammunition also seemed suspiciously convenient he'd only mentioned this after becoming
01:04:20
aware of the fact that 32 caliber ammo had been uncovered in his office after four weeks of testimony the jury
01:04:30
deliberated overnight before delivering its verdict for the murders of Harry and Nicola
01:04:36
Fuller Steve Young was founded guilty and given two life sentences a motion in the courtroom was mixed
01:04:46
some of the victim's loved ones cheered while Young's wife broke down in tears although Nicholas family were relieved
01:04:55
her father told reporters the verdict doesn't change things for us at all we can't bring Nikki back but this does
01:05:04
take an evil person off the streets Harry into Nicola's loved ones could finally begin the healing process
01:05:14
but for one member of the jury the nightmare was just beginning for weeks after the trial 24 year old
01:05:27
Jura Adrian lay awake at night plagued with a secret something had happened during the trial
01:05:34
that didn't sit well with him he was torn did he Cape it to himself or did others
01:05:42
have the right to know the truth Adrian deliberated internally before eventually seeking legal advice
01:05:51
most solicitors didn't want to get involved likely because it was illegal to repeat anything that jurors told them
01:05:59
but as the weeks went by Adrian could no longer live with the knowledge of what had happened behind closed doors
01:06:07
the night before Steve Young's verdict was delivered the 12-member jury had been sequestered to a hotel to
01:06:14
deliberate this is standard practice in many countries it ensures that jurors have
01:06:21
minimal access to the outside world thus preventing exposure to external influences or information while they
01:06:28
reach a decision it had been a long four weeks for the jurors not only were they conflicted as to
01:06:37
whether or not Steve Young was telling the truth they'd also had to sit through the six minute recording of Nicola
01:06:43
Fuller's thwarted attempt to call for help it took an emotional toll once the jurors were in the hotel they
01:06:54
sat down over dinner and had a few drinks to try and unwind the atmosphere quickly became more
01:07:01
relaxed people joked around and engaged in casual conversation lifting the mood considerably
01:07:10
an entertaining conversation arose about seances and who among them had participated in one before
01:07:19
as Seance is a meeting in which people attempt to communicate with the spirit world
01:07:25
the concept of contacting the dad has been around for centuries it wasn't until the late 1800s that the very first
01:07:32
device was sold to facilitate communication between the living and the deceased known as a Ouija board the device
01:07:41
consists of a flat board displaying all the letters of the alphabet the numbers zero through nine and the words yes no
01:07:49
and goodbye at the bottom is a small heart-shaped plank known as the planchette to use a Ouija board two or more people
01:08:01
gather round the board gently placing their hands on the planchette they then ask questions and watch as the
01:08:09
planchette moves around the board spelling out messages from the other side the Ouija board is a controversial
01:08:19
device some view it as a valuable means to communicate with the spirit world While
01:08:24
others believe it's a satanic tool that can open menacing portals into the unknown
01:08:30
scientists believe the so-called messages received on a Ouija board are simply the result of the user's
01:08:37
subconscious to Skeptics the planchette isn't moved across the board by a spiritual being
01:08:43
but by the users themselves whatever the truth most people tend to agree on one thing
01:08:52
Ouija boards are not to be messed with the group of jurors laughed and shared stories about their experience with
01:09:02
seances before retiring to their rooms for the 11pm curfew Adrian was feeling quite Tipsy and went
01:09:10
straight to bed but a small group one man and three women weren't ready to call it a night
01:09:19
intrigued by the conversation about seances they gathered in one of their hotel rooms and decided to hold one of
01:09:26
their own they fashioned their very own Ouija board out of paper using a wine glass as
01:09:32
the planchette the foursome then sat around to the board each of them placing their fingers
01:09:39
on the base of the glass they asked if there were any Spirits present the answer was yes
01:09:49
the group asked the spirit to identify themselves the planchette moved across the board
01:09:56
from letter to letter finally spelling out the name Harry Fuller the group grew tense
01:10:05
the designated leader asked who killed you they watched in silence as the wine glass slid across the board eventually
01:10:15
spelling out the words Steven young did it the later asked what they should do the response
01:10:26
though to guilty tomorrow for some of the women it became too much they started to cry thinking they'd
01:10:36
taken things way too far the Seance ended and the group retreated to their respective rooms tormented by
01:10:44
what they'd done the next morning Adrian heard them discussing it over breakfast
01:10:51
he couldn't believe they'd actually gone through with it at first he thought it was funny
01:10:57
but when Steve Young was declared guilty later that day Adrian wondered whether a
01:11:03
miscarriage of Justice had been served four weeks after the trial Adrian couldn't live with the knowledge anymore
01:11:13
he wrote an anonymous letter to the Crown Court detailing the Antics at the hotel and requesting that Steve Young's
01:11:20
conviction be quashed shortly after he approached the news of the world tabloid and gave them the full
01:11:28
exclusive story saying this is someone's life we're dealing with I was astonished that these grown-up
01:11:37
people had played at this child's game [Music] News of the World published the story
01:11:46
under the headline Boo's dirty jokes and the Ouija board it quickly became a media sensation
01:11:56
a jury is expected to reach a verdict based on the facts presented at trial not on potentially unreliable external
01:12:04
information being swayed by external influence or attempting to acquire further Evidence
01:12:10
was potentially a criminal offense Adrian's allegations were therefore treated with utmost seriousness
01:12:20
a full investigation was launched to determine whether those who held the Seance had attempted to pervert the
01:12:26
course of Justice the four jury members insisted that the decision to use the Ouija board had been
01:12:34
nothing more than a poor decision fueled by alcohol despite some of their emotional
01:12:40
reactions they each viewed the whole thing as a joke and were adamant that the answers given by the so-called
01:12:46
Spirit had nothing to do with their decision to convict Steve Young it took six months of questioning and
01:12:55
deliberations before the court declared that while the jury had misbehaved nothing criminal had occurred
01:13:02
Steve Young's legal team appealed his conviction based in part on the jury's misbehavior and to the court agreed
01:13:10
a ray trial was ordered the Court's opinion provoked some fascinating discussions for the legal
01:13:18
community law professor Gary slapper discussed the issue in the Times newspaper saying
01:13:26
supposed the jurors in the hotel had sought advice from their God through prayer would such a course of action
01:13:33
invalidate their decision they would after all be Consulting something non-corporeal and something
01:13:40
other than the evidence in the case the Divine and superstitious oracles both rely on the faith of the juror
01:13:51
will the court of appeal be able to argue that Consulting a God for guidance is permissible but that Consulting any
01:13:58
other non-corporeal entity is not allowed Harry and Nicola's families were eager
01:14:07
to put the trauma of the trial behind them and move on with their lives when they heard that Young's conviction
01:14:14
was overturned they were guarded Harry's family couldn't believe that a man proven guilty in court could get a
01:14:22
retrial on what they viewed as such a quote silly silly thing Nicola's family didn't think they could
01:14:31
get through it a second time around they were Furious that the media had latched on to The Sensational Ouija
01:14:38
board story saying that the jurors had made a complete mockery of their daughter's death
01:14:46
the retrial of Steve Young for the murders of Harry and Nicola Fuller went ahead eight months later in front of a
01:14:53
brand new jury for three weeks Harry and Nicola's loved ones had to endure the harrowing
01:14:59
evidence for a second time but once again the jury unanimously found Steve Young guilty for both
01:15:08
murders the judge called him a cold-blooded killer who had committed the crimes for
01:15:14
his own personal gain before serving him with two life sentences when asked if you had anything to say
01:15:22
young simply stated I'm innocent my Lord outside Court Harry's brother Tom told reporters
01:15:34
Steven young is an animal who should be put down I would like to see hanging brought back for people like him
01:15:42
you can hardly explain what it has been like for both families to go through this ordeal
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it's like someone having their hand in your guts and slowly pulling them out some struggle to comprehend that an
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upstanding family man like Steve Young could be compelled to commit such a callous crime no matter his motivation
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theories remained that he wasn't the only one at the Fuller's house on February 10 1993.
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there was still the matter of the witnesses who had reported seeing two mysterious men approaching Blackman's
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Cottage on the morning of the murders although these sightings were never confirmed it fueled ongoing speculation
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that Steve Young could have been working with one of Harry Fuller's enemies either by force or out of financial
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desperation given Young's access to Firearms he's clean criminal record and his rapport
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with Harry Young arguably made a desirable partner for someone who wanted to cause more harm to Harry than simply
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taking his money it was even theorized that young could have agreed to help set up the meeting
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not knowing what was about to transpire [Music] but no evidence was ever uncovered to
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support this and no one else was ever charged in relation to the crime the trial of Steve Young has made
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history as one of the high profile examples of Juror misbehavior decades later the behavior of the jurors
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is still questioned Harry Fuller's brother Tom felt the original jurors should be punished for
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what they did saying we all went through months more Agony because of them detective Graham Hill who worked on the
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Fuller murder investigation told the ABC this is making an absolute mockery and it's the most serious type of trial you
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can ever have there is no element of humor in it at all there's no frivolity in it at all
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and yet those four members of the jury made it into a laughing stock [Music] University of Melbourne law professor
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Jeremy Gans wrote a book centered around the case titled the Ouija board jurors mystery mischief and misery in the jury
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system in it he explores other cases of jury misconduct concluding that there was
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nothing exceptional about the Ouija board jurors other than the Tabloid media attention
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against disputes the general perception that the jurors were making a mockery of
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the Fuller case and treating the hotel sequestering as a party instead he points out that they had to
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sit through disturbing evidence including the failed 999 call from Nicola which would have been incredibly
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traumatic Professor Gans told the ABC whatever was going on in that hotel room probably wasn't good times for the jury
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but perhaps something else coping with what they were hearing gan's book also provided a revelation
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in 2004 Young's new defense team hired a forensic audiologist to analyze the six-minute recording of the 999 Corps
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placed by Nicola Fuller they determined that after Nicola was killed footsteps of two different people
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could be heard rummaging around a black man's Cottage whispering to one another while The Whispers were unintelligible
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one word was clear here the stress of Nicola's death and the ongoing litigation took an enormous toll
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on the health of her parents Barbara and Michael who were both aged in their mid-50s
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within a two-year period of the legal proceedings Barbara suffered from a heart attack and Michael from a serious
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stroke they missed Nikola remently Small Things served as daily reminders from her favorite songs to the way she
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always burst in any patch of sun she could find Barbara told crime watch when I sit out there in my garden in the
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sunshine I think I can see her there in the lounger Nicola's sister Michelle looked after
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her parents while also trying to manage her own grief [Music] she was haunted by nightmares of her
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sister's final moments telling crimewatch that the thought of Nicola crawling to the phone for help that
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never came kept her awake night after night Michelle said at least 100 times a day I want to pick
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up the phone to Nikki or I think I must tell Nikki that but I don't accept that she's not there
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I have to accept that one day I'll see her I get through each day on the strength
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that one day I'll be able to ask her how she is [Music] [Music] [Music] in June 1993 Elizabeth Stevens 18 was
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murdered on her way home from the bus stop her death began a seven-week reign of terror for the people of Frankston I
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remember thinking like how can it happen to someone that's fought so hard to get
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away and have a good life a serial killer was on the loose no one was safe not young mother Debbie frame 22 taken
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on a trip to the shops nor Natalie Russell 17 murdered on her way home from school then two detectives came in and
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they just said to Brian and myself can we go somewhere pride and we went into the bedroom and I said I'm sorry to tell
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you it's Natalie the serial killer Paul Daniel was captured and sentenced to life in prison on appeal he was granted
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a 30-year minimum sentence and I guess I saw her in his face that yeah I'm smiling you sort of thing he was praying
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of what he had done fast forward 30 years and adenya has applied for parole award-winning crime writer Vicky
01:22:41
petratus was on patrol with police the night the final murder took place as a true crime author I found myself right
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in the heart of Frankston doing ride-alongs with the local police when the murders were happening she wrote the
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best-selling book The Frankston murders which has never been out of print Vicky has Revisited the case in a long-form
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murders podcast uncovers new material and new victims stalked by Dania in the lead up to the killings the woman
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policeman turned to me and said you should take a ticket in tax as much as to say I was the luckiest person around
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Vicki interviews prison guards police officers family members and people caught in the periphery of a serial
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killer he has not learned his lesson he has not changed he has not become remorseful he has not repented or even
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apologized a scale of one to ten I'd easily put him as a 20. it's that far off the scale
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