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[Music] love makes us do all kinds of things we never think we'd do it can make us
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question our very being it can be all consuming but perhaps nothing will make you do something you never thought you'd
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do the way betrayal and heartbreak can such was the case for Matthew vanic Castile you may remember Matthew vanic
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Castile was good friends with Matthew Queen and when Queen was dating Bailey Vanda Castile was dating Sarah they were
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two sets of good friends dating each other which was great until Matt vand Castile got arrested and a couple days
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later Bailey went missing that was the end of April 2018 that suddenly Queen and Sarah found themselves without their
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significant others and apparently found comfort in each other and within a couple of months Sarah was living with
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queen and soon after pregnant with his baby so naturally that was the end of Matt Queen and Matt vand castile's
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friendship and had Matt Queen not betrayed Matt vantile like that had Sarah not broken his heart Matt vantile
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likely would have never said certain things on a recorded phone line from jail that vand Castile Jail phone call
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fueled the case significantly at that time ultimately was the key piece that you know helped solve the
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[Music] case I'm Olivia Lavo and this is the Bakersfield 3 [Music] in the last episode you heard jail calls
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between Sarah and Matthew Queen from the summer of 2019 after Queen was arrested
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during the river standoff this set of jail calls you're about to hear between Sarah and Matthew Vanda Castile took
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place one year earlier in summer 2018 just a couple months after Bailey and Micah disappeared now before the
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call between Sarah and Vanda Castile that blew the case wide open there were some other interesting calls that led up
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to it at this point Vanda Castile didn't know Sarah and his friend Queen were seemingly hooking up behind his back
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I have this dream about Bailey yeah and it's really got me [ __ ] up babe why and now I'm just trying to figure out
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what the [ __ ] happened but I figured I should stay the [ __ ] out of it too because she always talked about like and
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the ones that always followed her and people that have followed her before and like people that have followed Micah and
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everyone's always like oh you're crazy Micah and Micah's actually not that crazy and everyone already knows Mich
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everyone yeah you know what I mean which is why I got to stay the [ __ ] out of it
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too babe but like that dream has me [ __ ] up [ __ ] yeah I have a feeling that Bailey's
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gone I don't know I don't think so you need to not be anywhere around it okay I'm just okay
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yeah all right CU I just talk to my I just talk [ __ ] it you don't want to push try or
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put your nose in any of that I know I know I know I need to keep my nose out it and with me being in here yes babe
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okay I will I just really I want to talk to one of my uh cousins who's a detective and I want to tell him like
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kind of what's going on what I think baby TR me St out of it okay I know it's probably
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best cuz considering two people have gone missing over this [ __ ] you know yeah at the time of those calls Sarah
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and Matthew Vanda Castile were still together or so he thought a couple weeks later that all blew up resulting in the
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call that ended up being a treasure Trove for sergeant Garrett you might remember hearing a part of it before in
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an earlier episode it started out normal enough Sarah and Vanda Castile were talking about Game of Thrones before it
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turned into Sarah saying she couldn't have her life on hold and wait for him while he was behind Behind
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Bars this is what God wants he took you away from me for a reason she can't be in my life right
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now it sucks it really does I know it does you know why you want to know why it sucks so
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much why the main reason I'm sitting in here the main reason is cuz Won't Give Up other
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people and they get to sit out there and hang out with you and be around you I don't be like that to refresh your
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memory Vanda Castile was in jail for trying to confront a guy at a hotel at gunpoint CU I Won't Give Up who else was
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at the motel who was driving the car everyone that was involved I it in here you've done many other things that
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you should be in there for I did what I had to do to take care of us and now I'm paying for it it
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turned out the other guy at the motel that day was Matthew Queen and Sarah was their getaway driver but seeing as at
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the time they were his best friend and girlfriend Matthew Vanda Castile refused to give them up which probably
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contributed to his Fury when he seemed to discover later on this call that Queen and Sarah were shacking up
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together so are you really living at your aunts aunt and uncles yeah for real for on your yes on
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your sister's life and swear to God Matthew just say it no where are you standing
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then with a friend who it doesn't [ __ ] matter it matter no swear to God n you swear to
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God no it is then tell that [ __ ] he's a dead man when I get out I swear to God you need to stop you need
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to you need to [ __ ] more hey and I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you straight up Bailey's in the same [ __ ]
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place that Mike is and if you remember where Mike is because you were at my [ __ ] house that night you're probably
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going to end up the same way if you do him dirty why are you talking like that why
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do you think I don't want you around that fool not just saying hey and I'm I'm G put it
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even way better he's going to be in prison because I can roll on him actually looking for both of you
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Matt so how about you guys both remember that when you guys are out there [ __ ]
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my life over if you love me why the [ __ ] would you move in with him I'm telling you I didn't yes you
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did no I didn't swear to [ __ ] swear to God put that on God I swear to God I swear to God I can't I'm trying to be a
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good person okay I want you to be a good person too yeah I should be a good person and just confess all the sins I
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should just come clean about everything Matt calm down okay you know I love you yeah but you love you probably love
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the person you're living with more than me though no I love you I thought you were better than this though sir I
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really thought you were going to ride it out with me you answer less it's harder to get a
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hold of you I don't get letters anymore like you I sent you letters last week last
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week not I love you and I'm here for you but don't talk to me like that anymore what don't talk to you like well [ __ ]
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maybe I maybe if I was just to you know confess to everything and be a good person and you know say why don't you
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stop st you guys stop [ __ ] I love you bye the caller has hung up remember this call took place early
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on in the investigation of Bailey and Micah's disappearances at this point some people in law enforcement were
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telling Jane and Cheryl that they thought Bailey and Micah were in Mexico drinking margaritas and living their
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best lives together that damning call between Vanda Castile and Sarah didn't come to light until several months later
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when Sergeant Garrett started digging into the case and on a hunch requested the recordings of all of vanic castile's
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jail calls he had to listen to over 300 phone calls about all sorts of irrelevant things and then there it was
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proof Vanda Castile had information but by the time Sergeant Garrett was on to him and showed up to
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speak with him in prison fandy Castile had had almost 5 months to cool off after learning his girlfriend was
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dumping him for his good friend so he wasn't exactly ready to spill his guts the way it had sounded on that heated
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phone call which was disappointing you could say for the investigator assisting sergeant Garrett with the interview
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Lieutenant Christopher Bagby see here's the thing Mr Man still we could play cat and [ __ ] Mouse all
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day listen to me I could play cat and mouse all day it's kind of my thing to be honest with you I enjoy the pursuit
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of the whole thing the reality of your situation is is that we didn't randomly appear here hoping to fish for [ __ ]
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catfish right we're not looking for [ __ ] [ __ ] right major [ __ ] ordeal to get into a [ __ ] prison at
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talk to some dude right it sucks actually and I hate prisons more than anything because they smell bad the
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people who work here [ __ ] everything about it I don't like you know the drill right can we be honest
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with each other oh yeah okay so the reason that we are here is because of this [ __ ] on the
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phone fandic Castile kept insisting anything he said on those phone calls to Sarah was just based off of his gut
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feelings and that he doesn't actually know any anything to which Lieutenant Bagby told him let's see how that
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explanation holds up for you in court all they got to do is [ __ ] listen to it right they play that [ __ ]
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for the [ __ ] jury just play it and then they're going to be like that [ __ ] dude knows what's [ __ ] going
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on no doubt about it you're kind of [ __ ] bro Garrett and Bagby continued to reiterate to Vanda Castile this was
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his chance to try to save himself by telling them what he knew and first thore why would he continue to protect
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someone who' screwed him over Matthew Queen is if correct me from wrong I'm not trying to be a personal [ __ ] uh
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is running around with your girl ex but she wasn't your ex when he started running around with her as I understand
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it right and I'm not trying to be disrespectful I'm just saying this is a reality of your life he stole your girl
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while you're doing his time right the interview went on like this for a while before Vanda Castile finally said he'd
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tell the truth truth his story came out in bits and pieces each detail a struggle to pull out of him after
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several hours Garrett and Bagby had what they needed and left Vandy Castile with
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this pardon gift so you didn't know that uh Sarah's pregnant you should ask him if he wants to watch it make him watch
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it yeah what is it well they did a gender reveal thing I was going to show you you ever seen those or like this
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thing mhm yeah they're doing one yeah I want to see it after playing the video of Queen and Sarah's gender reveal Bagby
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and Garrett said their goodbyes and Sergeant Garrett got to [Music] work so unbeknownst to myself and the
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moms things were happening from our perspective though at the time things had been quiet since Queen's arrest for
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the various unrelated incidents as we were going on a year and a half since Bailey and Micah's disappearances and
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James's murder there was no sense of resolution which made it that much harder for me to leave my first love my
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job working as a reporter in Bakersfield and take a new job out ofate that fall in
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2019 the last couple of weeks I was in Bakersfield I sent a jailhouse interview request to Queen every single day and
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every day like clockwork the jail would fax it back with the Box check next to inmate declines eventually Queen
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actually wrote next to the check box please stop sending these I had to accept it I was leaving with no new
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info but the hardest part was telling the moms even though I wasn't sure it was necessarily professional I felt
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they'd broken down a barrier and I'd really connected with them initially I'd fought it thinking it was blurring a
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line of me being a reporter versus friend when they'd come to see me at court and die would pick pieces of lint
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off my dress or smooth down a piece of my hair Cheryl would take a messy stack of papers out of my hand didn't put them
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in order and Jane would lecture me that I needed to be careful when driving on the freeway to go to LA to see my
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boyfriend can he just come here so you don't have to do that dangerous Drive she'd ask they were inherently motherly
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to everyone in their path but to me it felt special in a town where I wanted to be regarded as a serious crime reporter
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they treated me as such but they also treated me like someone they cared about so leaving them was hard but the truth
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was I knew they didn't need me they become better investigators than I could ever be and they were just as if not
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more media savvy than myself and most importantly they had each other they'd become a little
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family kind of an understatement to say the three of you have a special bond I think that is an
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understatement mm I think it's a very unique set of circumstances that brought us together
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when you when you let yourself be this open with others how can you not be come tied
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together a bit internally I just to can't imagine sharing some of the stuff that we've shared and
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not feeling connected yeah I've shared stuff with these you know two that I haven't shared with my family and I
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believe we're so connected that when the other one is hurting we feel the pain and we hurt right
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along not long after I left for Seattle the three moms put on their first annual
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Bakersfield 3 charity event a golf tournament titled t for three true to their mission they began a year earlier
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they were raising money for specialized soner equipment to search waterways you might remember back in summer
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2018 when the female leg was found in the lake Jane thought it belonged to her daughter Bailey and was horrified that
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more thorough searching couldn't be done to locate the rest of the body and that
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search Crews had to borrow equipment from the neighboring County of tary even though the leg turned out not to belong
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to her daughter it was still just as important to her and the other moms to get the equipment for their community of
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kar County and they were going to ensure they got the best of the best by using their secret weapon Jane we all three
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researched different equipment and we decided on the equipment then we let Jane take
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over yes and we are proud to say we are proud to say say Jane negotiated a price
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that is lower than what they do at their seminars anybody for anybody any law enforcement agency and the government
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uses this equipment so we figured if it was good enough for the government the military uses it it was good enough for
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Kern County and now we're happy that our equipment is better than toar and now they can borrow from us and it has a
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baker feel three sticker on it thanks to search and rescue they put our sticker on it the first fundraiser was a huge
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success using the proceeds as well as a few thousand dollars from their own Pockets the moms bought the sonar
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equipment not long after covid-19 hit and everything everywhere shut down it was the first time in 2 years the moms
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had essentially been forced to slow down but eventually late May 2020 the count decided they could do an outdoor event
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to formally unveil the sonar equipment and thank the Bakersfield 3 charity it was going to be such a happy day most of
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us can reflect and remember that back then it was significant for anyone to get out of the house and have a good day
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but especially for the moms who could count the number of quote Happy Days on one hand that they had had in the last 2
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years we were very proud of of our Community for coming together behind us to make that happen and we felt like it
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was a move in the right direction to um put victims in their families first and um yeah it
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was it it started out a very nice day and it ended as a horrible day and it ended as a horrible
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day it was a beautiful spring morning the three mothers proudly stood side by side in their matching Bakersfield 3
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polo shirts as the sheriff and search and rescue crews spoke to a crowd of media but this would not be the story
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that any reporter there would end up covering that day on behalf of the Sheriff's Office and on behalf of the
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county that we serve ladies thank you very much for your involvement you're you're tenacious and you keep us on our
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toes and we need that occasion 17 news crews captured the press conference we've had to borrow equipment from
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County to be any uh to have any success at all we didn't have the funds to go out and buy our own sonar equipment Kern
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County Sheriff Donnie Youngblood said in addition to the mothers raising money for the sonar equipment they'd also
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brought to law enforcement's attention Andy rapid DNA you may remember that's the technology the mothers found that
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did the DNA testing on Micah's arm and the leg in the lake Sheriff Youngblood announced the county would be pushing to
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purchase the specialized DNA equipment and what we're hoping to do is not have families like this have to wait weeks
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and weeks to uh find out whether a a body part belongs to their missing loved one so if we can find the body or the
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parts and then get rapid DNA and on the same day be able to tell them yes it's your your relative or no it's not and
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and that's an additional $100,000 a year for Rapid DNA uh but you know if your child is missing ,000 a year is
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absolutely nothing it was everything the mothers had worked so hard for the countless hours they'd spent lobbying to
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County and City officials had paid off I'd like to thank klea they were our partners um in our very first golf
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tournament the moms took turns speaking to the crowd this has been a long time coming
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for us it feels like a long time but we were we knew early on that we wanted water rescue and having our own
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equipment so we didn't have to borrow from other counties with as much water as we have thank you so much for coming
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out and and helping us celebrate today yeah hope I can get through this without crying um the sonar is very near and
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dear to my heart and it's something Baker still needs and I know it's going to help a lot of families and get what
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they need to find loved ones faster so thank you very much for your support I'm so
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grateful meanwhile during the press conference Dy had gotten a text from a reporter who dropped a bombshell on her
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to be having such a happy moment donating equipment that are that our County so needed and so we were so
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excited but it was it was hard for me knowing what I knew to sit there and know that how Jan was going to fail or
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think I knew and how bar it was just like here we go again you know just another
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curveball after the press conference wrapped Cheryl and Lance got the call first I knew the news needed to come
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from law enforcement I was in my car with Jane and it was very difficult for me not to say anything
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meanwhile Cheryl and Lance had been taken to the Bakersville Police Department I I think D kind of knew what
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was going on but she didn't want to tell me and I go well I'm just going to call
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Garrett and he answered and I go what's going on and he says well can you come down here right now we need to talk to
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you cherl and Lance were the first to be led into a conference room with Sergeant
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Garrett and prosecutors to tell them they were filing charges in Micah's case I remember them saying a first-degree
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murder charge against Matt Queen they told us that that um they were going to move forward with charging him
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with first-degree murder and kidnapping and and and so at this point right your your ears kind of go numb like you're
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just kind of sitting there and you're just like you're letting it kind of wash over you and
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then I just remember hearing someone say and and we're going to charge Bailey as
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well it was a stunning Revelation Bailey was being charged with Micah's murder I
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remember thinking you know just kind of looking around the room like what is you know
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what have have you talk to Jane No we're going to talk to her next before we go to the press conference or something
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like that and I was like well that would be really important for her to know that
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because that's horrible that it's just going to devastate her the news was merely impossible to comprehend and it
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all happened very fast after getting the news a suit in the room explained that in about 15 minutes the prosecutor's
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office would be holding a press conference to announce it all publicly we're just trying to put tuck all these
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little bits of information in our brains and then we felt like okay time to go got to get Jane in here got to go
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it it just felt very rushed and I just felt so like I was on a roller coaster just
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like I don't even know which way is up Cheryl and Lance were ushered out just before Jane was brought in about to
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receive the news that change all of their lives forever so it was about 10 till 2 and
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the press conference was supposed to happen it too so it was like 10 minutes before I'm
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being told that my daughter's being charged with the murder of Micah along with Matt Queen and it was
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just like disbelief I've been you know crying and I'm asking you know why why they can't tell me it was a room full of
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people in the lobby detectives the chief of police and then kind of like everybody
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it's like okay we're done you you need to go because we got to go to the press conference and they didn't want us at
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the press conference so by the time I got back out to the car at like 2 it was already going and my family had already
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heard it my friends I wasn't given the chance to tell my family hey this is going to
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happen meanwhile Cheryl and Lance still in shock we're driving home which is a long drive outside of
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Bakersfield and so we have an hour and a half to scream and cry and you know just
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very Primal very much of a very very angry and very pain filled drive home we get home Dy called us maybe and said you
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know you need to see you need to see the actual press conference that the da did
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in a fog Cheryl turned on the TV 17 news crews captured da Cynthia Zimmer announcing the charges against Matthew
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Queen and Bailey the charges involve murder conspiracy to commit murder torture k
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napping it wasn't until we got home and listened to that newscast that we heard the word
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torture the hardest part about that was hearing that there had been torture then
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we see it on the news I felt I felt like like somebody sucks you in the gut and you lose I can't
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breathe that day I don't remember who called who or what if anything was said I just remember sitting at my kitchen
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table and hearing Cheryl's sobs through the phone I don't think there's any way to really describe that kind of grief
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that kind of cry hearing it leaves you with a deep pit in your stomach and an aching in your heart sort of paralyzed
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feeling of helplessness my call with Jane that day was different though there were no tears
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or even real acknowledgment of what she was told she sounded flustered and frantic speaking in a fast high pitch
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tone repeating how she has a lot of questions that prosecutors and police haven't answered it was brief she was in
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shock my old colleagues at 17 News were also stunned here's anchor and reporter Alex fiser you have someone who is
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missing no signs of her whatsoever and now she is being charged with murder it took this case to the next level 17 news
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reporter Jason katowski hearing Bailey's name that was probably the biggest surprise so far in a case that's been
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full of them you frankly you know from the beginning I was very surprised at that because I I thought at that point
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that most people believed that Bailey had had been killed the first question reporters asked the district attorney
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was does this mean Bailey is not presumed to be dead do investigators think she's
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alive she is unaccounted for and because she is unaccounted for and not declared
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deceased she has been charged as a criminal defendant in this case then when I got the explanation I was like
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okay they're just they're covering all the bases here in the event that she is alive somewhere in hiding out but
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nothing said at that press conference made the news about Bailey being charged any less shocking for so long she had
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been you know claimed as one or been called one of the victims in this case so to to hear that one of the victims
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actually took part um allegedly in the killing of of wholesome bake that that did surprise me I I was not expecting
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that I I I was waiting to hear charges against someone but I I did not expect it would be
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Bailey the someone Jason is referring to is Matt Queen and frankly most of us were expecting he'd be charged with
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Bailey's murder here he was now charged with Micah's murder with Bailey as his co-conspirator
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we're still looking at what happened to her and then the same time we had information came in that she might be
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involved it was a bizarre twist in the case Sergeant Garrett had to keep that Earth shattering twist to himself for a
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very long time while also having a front row seat to how close the mom's got it added uh definitely complexity to the
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case here's 17 news anchor and reporter Alex Fischer again when Bailey was charged with Micah's
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murder it complicated the whole case and I think all of us went to what are the moms thinking
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how does this change how they work together and we've all seen them as three moms who are dealing with a
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tragedy losing their children and for all of the sudden just like that to have a mom realize that oh
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my daughter is now being charged with the murder of this other mom's son that's a that's a big deal and
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that was a huge game changer here's retired detective Bill Darby who' looked into the case and I thought oh my gosh
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these women are doing such a good thing being together and supporting each other
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what's this going to do distinctly remember as soon as I heard that I was oh crap how's chery gonna handle this
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how's Jen gonna handle this Sergeant Garrett wasn't sure how they'd handle any part of it either starting
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from asking them to come meet that day it had to have been pretty intense for you to I I had no idea what the uh
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reaction or the emotions would be but like I said it was something that needed to be done and it is what it is at that
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point so we had to tell them what what we knew I was curious to see if their relationship would would hold after that
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every one was so I asked the three of them this interview was about a year and a half after the charges were
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filed did it change the dynamic of the group the charges I think it caused us to pause we
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needed to pause for a while we just had to let that we just had to let it lie for a
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few and I think the Dynamics changed a a little bit in that it was Cheryl and I talking and then then it was Jane and I
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talking and I was the buffer I was The Listener I would listen and listen and try to help it was never anything about
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Jane right it was never it was never bad because we were both feeling bad and I would say have you talked to Jane and
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she'd say no I haven't you know talked to her for days and i' talked to Jane have you talked to sh no I haven't
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talked to her for days what am I going to say there's this little bit of a distance not that they had anything bad
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to say I just think it was we it was just an uncomfortable so I was the middle person it was just weird it
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was just weird as Cheryl says and frankly I think it still is to some degree all this time later it feels like
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it's still not easy for them to discuss it but particularly when the news was still fresh Jane and Cheryl didn't know
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what to say to each other what would anyone say in their shoes when Cheryl and I spoke about this one-on-one I
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asked her during this period that her and Jane weren't really speaking how did she feel towards
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Jane I was immediately worried about her because I because I'm a mom and I know how how that would have affected me if
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our tables were turned and I knew that she was just going to collapse under the weight
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of that news it's deeply complicated as her close friend Shar fyl knew Jane needed
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comfort and support she needed someone to hold her hand and tell her of course your daughter would never hurt anyone
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but being the mother of Bailey's alleged victim Cheryl wasn't sure she was the one to give her that at the time cuz I
00:33:13
just didn't want to rub her face in it and I think I said these exact words to die in a phone call was I just need
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Micah just needs to have his moment okay this just needs to be about Micah for a
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minute right could we just be you know could we not just let Micah have this for a minute can it stop being about
00:33:34
Bailey for a second [Music] and and yet even while saying that I was thinking to
00:33:44
myself I would be doing the same thing I would have been Mah would have never done that I can't imagine it you know I
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mean I would have had all the words that came out of Jane's mouth would have been
00:33:56
my words and so even while I was saying okay can we just give can we just need throw the brakes
00:34:02
on and let this shake out cuz we're still reeling from even finding out I mean we were still just crushed by the
00:34:11
fact that it was long and horrible yeah we were just still dealing with all that it meant for
00:34:25
Micah this had been been done on purpose planned in advance by whomever whoever it was we
00:34:35
were reeling under it and we never blamed Jane never thought that it would have anything to do with any other the
00:34:42
rest of her family that's not to meet you you know even if she did it and was did it
00:34:50
cold in coldhearted way and all these other things it doesn't mean that we don't love and support our family or
00:34:56
work with our family so so you know it's just complex it was just a weird time and we needed I think
00:35:06
D said it you know we just needed to let it breathe for a little bit just needed
00:35:11
to let it we just needed a little distance kind of radio silence you know to keep any of us either of us Jane or our
00:35:22
family from just coming unglued in front of a microphone right just losing it completely in public because none of us
00:35:32
wanted that for the other you know we were were still are very protective of each
00:35:38
other I also talked to Jane oneon-one about how this time was for her she said since it happened during the height of
00:35:45
covid she was already feeling very isolated it was probably maybe good that I was by myself
00:35:55
because um when you're processing and trying to grieve and deal with all the stuff that you know in your head
00:36:04
sometimes you have to go a little bit crazy and you don't want people around to see you do your ugly cry
00:36:13
and ask God why did you let this happen I'm not real religious but I always heard people talk about hearing God
00:36:23
telling you what to do and it would be like okay you know I'm in the shower on the floor with the
00:36:33
water you know dripping over you crying and asking and taking your anger out on him because you have to take it out on
00:36:41
somebody um I guess that's why I felt like Lance and Cheryl were angry at me because I'm the closest thing to
00:36:50
Bailey was that difficult first time you saw them after you know yes difficult in the sense
00:37:04
that you know what are they thinking like they say they didn't blame me but you just
00:37:12
don't know what you think you feel and think so many different things and you're trying to get answers but you
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don't get answers when me and the three moms talked about this all together Cheryl
00:37:22
addressed Jane's fears this is where everybody out there communication what 101 Lance and I never thought it was an
00:37:32
issue because it wasn't J wasn't Jane's responsibility she didn't have to answer
00:37:37
for those questions but we knew that it was weird for her to talk about and so we didn't want to really bring it up
00:37:46
because we don't want you to have to think about it like on TV and stuff it's like oh that's the mom of the murderer
00:37:54
look at her it's her fault her kid turned out like like this and you know and you know you already have guilt
00:38:03
about your child missing and what happened to her and if you could have done things different and then it's like
00:38:10
you just you know think what did I do but I know I know it wasn't her how do you deal with that Jane how
00:38:21
did you deal with it um I'm still dealing with it you know I have my days where it's like
00:38:29
like um right now I spend a lot of my time in my head trying not to think about stuff was it difficult for you to think
00:38:40
of what you wanted to say to Cheryl well all I would ever say is I'm sorry I I don't know I won't know until the truth
00:38:51
comes out what really happened you know and we always said it's not your place to be sorry you did not hurt us I asked
00:38:59
D who was a bit of a liaison between Jane and Cheryl if she was worried what would happened to the three of them
00:39:06
after the news broke I knew our Dynamic would change but I never have once felt that it would pull us apart not once to
00:39:17
this day people still say to me I don't get it how did they do it how did they work through this and stay close here's
00:39:24
Sergeant Garrett ultimately they they came to the understanding that yeah just cuz maybe her daughter did something
00:39:32
doesn't you know you know it's not Jane's fault her daughter was grown made her own decisions so Cheryl decided uh
00:39:39
not to hold that against Jane so they they did have that Bond I mean if it happened earlier on in the case I don't
00:39:45
I don't know how that would affected them but it was definitely an uncomfortable um thing
00:39:52
for them to probably go through themselves personally 17 news reporter Jason katowski
00:39:58
well I guess there's just a lot of strength with the three of them because you know you'd
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think from from an outside perspective looking in is like how could you know the other moms still be friends with
00:40:08
with Bailey's Mom know knowing or with the allegation that she took part in this murder so I think that shows that
00:40:14
there's there's a lot of understanding between those three and they they must also consider her a victim too I believe
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here's Bill Darby again the retired detective and my friend who'd come to spend a lot of time with the three mom
00:40:27
Ms during his investigation I was really so incredibly inspired by Cheryl she really was a diamond in that
00:40:39
thing I could not believe her her grace in hearing that that oh this lady that you know we formed this bond with and
00:40:47
we're so close her daughter killed my son but they stood strong knowing that those kids were all in involved in a
00:40:55
mess you know so I was really really inspired by her I genuinely believe that Cheryl
00:41:05
never had any feelings of anger or resentment towards Jane but I also think it's a wildly complicated somewhat
00:41:13
incomprehensible situation to try to navigate for both of them as I've said before it is not an
00:41:21
easy topic even with how open and raw I feel the three of them are with me I still feel a bit of a pause when I bring
00:41:29
it up I get the feeling that Cheryl and Jane are still searching for the right words this next clip of a conversation
00:41:36
between Cheryl and I is what I feel is the most candid I've ever heard her be about the situation it started with me
00:41:43
discussing my thoughts on the day the charges were announced I was like how how are they going to deal with this I
00:41:52
knew you guys would but it was just how how is this going to be yeah I use the word difficult a lot because it was
00:42:01
difficult but that word doesn't even come close to covering it right I don't even know what the right word would be
00:42:08
but it was a near thing we almost didn't survive that hearing her say that made me
00:42:18
appreciate even more how incredible it is that the three of them did survive it and from the day the charges were
00:42:25
announced they never never broke their united front we make decisions together um we made a decision to pretty much go
00:42:34
silent for a while because we felt it was important to let things kind of settle and do their own course and it
00:42:44
might have been hard it was hard for me I know it was hard for Jane but we felt that it was we were doing this for Mah
00:42:52
that it was important yeah it was um so that's the kind of care and concern that you know that we built up for each
00:43:03
other the reason you haven't heard Jane fiercely defending her daughter is because the moms were given a fierce
00:43:10
warning that if Jane publicly defended Bailey it could be interpreted as Jane saying police and prosecutors had it all
00:43:18
wrong and that could in turn cast doubt on their case against Matthew Queen and hurt their chances of getting a jury to
00:43:25
convict him for Micah's murder so the moms made a pack to say nothing for Jane in some ways not being able to
00:43:33
defend Bailey was almost as difficult as hearing the horrific allegations in the
00:43:38
first place but with the support from one another the three of them stayed silent and just rode through it in fact
00:43:46
it's kind of brought us closer together in a kind of a strange way dice is leading up to the charges the three of
00:43:53
them had supported each other as they suffered through the worst pain a parent could go through no one wants to be the
00:44:01
mother of someone that's been dismembered no one wants to be the mother of someone that shot and no one
00:44:11
wants to be the mother of a daughter who's never found dice's Bailey being charged with
00:44:17
Micah's murder was a new kind of pain Jane had to endure and no one wants to be the mother if it's brought out in
00:44:26
court we haven't seen the evidence and we haven't heard Bailey's side of it but if Bailey were found
00:44:36
guilty no one wants to be the mother of a daughter that has helped take the life
00:44:43
of someone that was their friend there were so many questions then but of course the one top of everyone's
00:44:51
mind was Bailey guilty [Music] 90% of people who still stand by her being innocent and then there's that 10%
00:45:07
that's switched from oh this is so sad she's a missing person she's a victim too she did it and she deserves to be
00:45:15
missing that's next [Music] time for