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October 5th 1975 April mole seed was making her way through a list of chores in her home on Delamere Road in Rochdale
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a town at the foothills of the Moore countryside in northern England as she prepared supper that day around noon
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April realized she didn't have any bread so she decided to send one of her kids on a quick errand to the nearby corner
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store the MAL seed family had a job roster in place for the three children Laura Fred and Leslie it listed certain
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chores each one was responsible for to help out around the house according to the roster that was 12 year old Fred's
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turn to run errands however Fred wasn't home that afternoon he was at football practice so next in
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line for the job was eleven-year-old Leslie April shouted for Leslie whom she affectionately called well but familiar
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Scottish accent rang out to where Leslie played with her 13 year old sister Laura
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moments later Leslie appeared before her mother April instructed Leslie to go fetch
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bread and air freshener Leslie kicked her feet and protested it wasn't her turn to go to the shops
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it was fret April encouraged Leslie with a small reward Leslie playfully asked for sixpence
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payment to complete the task another bargained her down to three April gave Leslie a one-pound note to
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buy the items and - Leslie tucked the money in a sparkly purple sequin purse her mother also handed her a navy blue
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canvas shopping bag with the Tweety Bird character on its side with autumn well underway Leslie stuck two layers on her
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small frame to ward off the crisps chill air she wore a blue woollen jumper over
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a red and white t-shirt a pink skirt and brown shoes she pulled socks up her thin legs they
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will bloom white tartan decorated with her idols Scottish pop band the Bay City Rollers she wrapped herself in a blue
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raincoat lifting the hood over her mop of curly brown hair the sight of her youngest daughter all tucked up in her
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coat with her hood on and socks pulled up made April laugh - April Leslie was her little darling
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generous kind-hearted and enchanting to be around and compared to her other children April was more protective of
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Leslie Leslie had suffered ill health since birth born with a congenital cardiac condition
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at age three she received open-heart surgery to fix a faulty valve but her body never fully recovered her illness
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had suppressed her physical and mental growth by age 11 Leslie stood barely four feet high waited just 25 kilograms
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and assessments revealed she had the mental age equivalent to that of a six-year-old at times Leslie's poor
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health would make her frail and lethargic confining her to the house with little energy to do much else she'd
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sit by the window and watch as other children played outside so when Leslie was feeling well she fully embraced the
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day taking nothing for granted even just running a quick simple errand for her mom was an adventure she Eagle
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he talked on April harbored no sense of concern allowing Leslie to take the short walk to the shops alone that
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Sunday afternoon they lived in the council housing estate of turf hill on the southeastern fringe of Rochdale a
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predominantly residential town rod Stahl is nestled in the wide valley of the river roche just over 15 kilometres
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northeast of the city of manchester its skyline is dotted with former cotton mills a constant reminder of its rich
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history of textile manufacturing an industrial revolution boom in the 19th century required the city to quickly
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expand and overnight turning the untouched country land surrounds into dense housing estates turf hill estate
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consisted mostly of working families similar to the mole seeds they lived on long streets in matching double-story
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red brick terrace houses with small front gardens frank buy picket fences and low shrub hedges the local community
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was self-contained and close-knit these families had come to know each other well over the years their children
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attended the same schools youth clubs and sporting activities neighbors were friendly and familiar local pubs shops
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and parties were full of recognizable faces nobody was a stranger most the turf hill residents knew leslie mal seed
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noticeably smaller and sickly than her peers she was easily recognizable around town
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despite her ailments those who crossed paths with Leslie met an optimistic spirited young girl with a friendly
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impulse to flash her gap-toothed smile and greet everyone she saw it was around 12:30 p.m. when Leslie headed out the
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front door of her family home on Delamere Road Laura watched her younger sister late from a window upstairs and
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asked where she was going to the shop Worsley responded April told her daughter to return home quickly
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Leslie replied that she would be back soon [Music] [Music] one hour had passed since April Mull
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seed had sent her daughter Leslie out to fetch bread and she hadn't returned home
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yet the errand shouldn't have taken her so long April considered what might be holding Leslie up dhamaal seeds pet cat
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Jinxy had recently gone missing perhaps the Leslie had gone searching for the cat during her trip maybe she
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had run into a friend and gotten distracted or she might be at the store to baiting what sweet she'd spend her
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three pence on April wasn't too worried Leslie could be a little rascal at times
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if anything April was just frustrated Leslie had disobeyed her order to hurry home Leslie's older sister Laura was
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sent out to find her tracing what she believed was Leslie's unlikely route to the corner shops she headed to a grocery
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store called Ryder's where Leslie had most likely gone when Laura arrived she found - the store was closed on Sundays
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that meant Leslie would have continued on a little further down and still rode to a convenience store called spa yet
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when Laura arrived there Leslie was nowhere to be seen Laura suspected her younger sister might
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have bypassed the bread buying altogether Leslie was a regular at a nearby confectionary shop on Broadway n--
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called Margaret's but there was no luck there either and Elora returned home alone
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April stood by the front gate checking the road in both directions expecting to see Leslie's hooded figure turn the
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corner at any moment she wondered if Leslie had gotten herself heard or lost by now Leslie's older brother Fred had
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arrived home from football practice and he agreed to go with Laura and continued
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the search together they came to the local streets but found her no sign of Leslie it had been almost an hour and a
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half since she'd left home to go to the store with no clues to point to where she was Fred rushed to get their step
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father Danny Mull seed was a maintenance electrician who worked shift work at an
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engineering factory with work done for the day Danny was spending the Sunday afternoon
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at the plow in drinking and playing darts when Fred showed up with the news Wesley was missing the last time Danny
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had seen Leslie was 7:45 that morning Leslie was still fast asleep in bed when he checked in on her before he left to
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catch the bus to work Danny had a deeper fondness and close attachment to Leslie
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he'd been her stepfather since she was a baby and was always by her side during her multiple doctor visits and hospital
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stays he considered Leslie his own daughter Danny began his own search for Leslie
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calling her name down every street as he closed in on the spark convenience store
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Danny was overwhelmed by an unshakable worry his movement quicken and his voice became louder he peered over fences ran
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through gardens opened up sheds in backyards he pounded the doors of nearby homes asking confused residents if they
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had seen Leslie no one had although she was not the type to talk to strangers Leslie was a friendly kid who
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would stop and talk to people she recognized so Danny questioned passers-by hoping to track Leslie via
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those you may have spoken to but she had left no trail at 3 p.m. Danny and April contacted Rochdale
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police officers arrived to the Mulsanne family home and questioned April extensively to determine Leslie's
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character habits behavior and friends despite Leslie's developmental delays she was otherwise an ordinary child she
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enjoyed going to school and when filling up to it she would participate in class
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games physical education and swimming she loved her family sisters brother and pets so it did seem out of character for
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her to not want to return home although she could be a bit of a rascal at times the possibility she was playing a prank
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or pushing boundaries didn't sit right with those who knew her police sought witnesses who may have seen Leslie
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walking around to the turf Hill estate that afternoon a child who lived on Delamere Road told police she was
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swinging on the gate at the front of her home when she saw Leslie leave her house
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around 12:30 and walked to the end of the street where she turned to left in to stay up slain the area around stops
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Lane was busy that afternoon crowds of children and families had gathered on the adjacent grassy fields of Kingsway
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Park for Sunday afternoon sporting activities five people who were traversing to and from the park recalled
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seeing Leslie walking down the street one of those was ten year old Bernadette Haggerty who was Leslie's neighbor she
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too was heading to the corner shops that afternoon Leslie caught her eye swinging
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her blue shopping bag and crossing Turf Hill Road Bernadette headed down and still rode a
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busy suburban road lined with houses and on which the sparse Thor front was located leslie headed down sty ups lane
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which ran parallel to han still road perk up behind the ruiz of the houses leslie was taking the back streets to
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the store and a bernadette lost sight of her more witness accounts placed Leslie
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in sty ups lane a new resident to the area who didn't know Leslie personally recalled crossing paths with a little
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girl in a blue hooded raincoat 13-year old Ernie Tyrone had just purchased some sweets from the spar shop and began
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walking down the install road towards her home on turf Hill Road the local roads in the estate were intersected by
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narrow walkways known as Snicket's use the shortcuts between the streets and neither saw Leslie down a Snicket that
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led into stops lane the two girls acknowledged each other and continued on their separate ways
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another girl witnessed this interaction she recalled seeing Leslie's blue and white tonton Bay City Rollers socks when
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Leslie's neighbor bernadette reached the corner store she assumed Leslie wasn't far behind that were walking adjacent
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paths to the same location a 15 year old boy was also inside the store shopping at the time neither he nor Bernadette
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recalled ever seen Leslie arrive the owners of the spar convenience store didn't see Leslie that afternoon either
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the owners of Margaret's the confectionary shop on Broadway n-- were also questioned and they couldn't
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remember if Leslie had visited this meant the last confirmed sighting of Leslie was on sty UPS Lane
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when the search party hit the area there was a collective sense of unease the section of stops Lane Leslie had
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wandered through was stark contrast to the area in which he had come the busy populated road aligned with house fronts
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and wide open parkland funneled into a narrow alleyway there a few hundred meters have met up with the turn of
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Buxton prison and opened into a high traffic road again but in this small section of Lane way
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there was no traffic it was barely wide enough for a single car to slowly drive down lining both
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sides were the tall timber fences that encased the backyards of surrounding homes it was a quiet secluded path
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completely enclosed and hidden from view based on witness statements police were
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convinced to Leslie didn't make it to the shops that afternoon something must have happened to her in sty UPS Lane
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between 12:30 and 1:30 p.m. causing her to deviate from her errand the only way his overwhelming sense of isolation
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raised concerns but there were no signs of wrongdoing so there was still the possibility who as Louie was fine
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police door knocked nearby houses hoping someone may have seen or heard something
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a resident of stop slaying told police she was standing at her kitchen window when she glimpsed Wesley walked past she
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also recalled noticing a small yellow vent that looked to be tangling Wesley it was concerning the police had to
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consider the encounter could be innocent most people would slow down behind a child on a narrow street as daylight
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faded the search for Leslie intensified the assumption Leslie might seek shelter
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for the cold night resulted in searches of garages cars sheds drains as well as abandoned houses the search radius
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expanded to farm and wasteland beyond the edges of the estate still there was no sign of Wesley
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it was a sleepless night for the mole seeds but during the following morning of Monday October 6 the search
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recommenced police cars toward turf hill estate announcing information over their
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speakers about Leslie mole seeds disappearance and description as news spread rumors followed talker rows of
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unknown men seen driving around town propositioning local females and enticing children into their cars with
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this in mind focus returned to the last place Leslie was seen stay up slain but the simple fact was there had been no
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reports of a scuffle screaming running footsteps the acceleration of a car engine or anything that could suggest
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who as Lee met with danger there three long days passed with no news by the night of Tuesday October 7 hopes had
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faded it seemed as though every possible location was checked and rechecked every
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Street combed every house visited police operations we aren't down as the incident room moved from the mole sait
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family home to the Rochdale police station the stress was taking its toll on the entire community search parties
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were disbanded vigils had come to an end and to the mole seeds were faced with the overwhelming realization that their
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low might never come home David Greenwell a joiner by trade was working a refilling job for a Rochdale
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jewelry shop at the time of the Leslie's disappearance his home was a two-hour drive southeast in Nottingham instead of
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making the for our return trip from Nottingham each day Greenwell slept in Rochdale Monday to
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Thursday and returned home on weekends to save on hotels he slept in the back of his yellow minivan which he'd park in
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a quiet labor sheltered by a hill just off the a 672 motorway a label a is a public rest area located next to large
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thoroughfares such as motorways early on Wednesday October 8 Greenwell woke in his been feeling the urge to relieve
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himself he scaled the hill looking for somewhere out of sight of passing motorists he found a flat more covered
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in Bracken and wild grass about 12 meters above through the low-lying fog a blue shape lying in the grass caught his
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eye greenwall moved closer to inspected his stomach lurched there was a blue raincoat attached to the body of a small
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child facedown and unmoving in shock greenwall scrambled back down the hillside to his van he drove to the
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jewelry shop arriving just after 8:00 a.m. colleagues immediately sensed something
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was seriously wrong pale and shaken Greenwell revealed what he discovered on the moor they immediately called the
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police at 8:25 a.m. police were cordoning off the lay-by in surrounding more Detective Chief
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Superintendent Jack Dibb head of West Yorkshire law enforcement and Dick Holland his junior officer from the town
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of Halifax arrived to the scene the body was that of a young girl was pale freckled skin in the curly brown hair
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she was wearing a blue hooded raincoat a pink skirt and tartan socks none of her
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clothing was disturbed a navy blue tweetybird bag whoo I emptied her fate and a purple sequin purse was found near
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her body it was unzip and empty there was little bear Leslie mal Sayed had been found the
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murder weapon appeared to be a small knife with a thin blade half an inch wide in two two and a half inches long
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twelve stab wounds cut through Leslie explodes into her back shoulders neck and head all strikes occurred from
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behind there were no defensive wounds a smear of blood was found on her left thigh
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police believed the perpetrator what the knife clean there after the attack forensic scientists were unable to
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determine an exact time of death it could have occurred at any time during the three days Leslie was missing no
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fingerprints or blood samples were found like semen staining was found on the outside surface of her underwear and
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skirt however there had been no penetrative sexual attack the sample was of insufficient quantity
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to determine a blood type and in 1975 DNA profiling didn't exist as the morning wore on a cold westerly wind
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picked up along the Moors with age sweeping gust important evidence such as particles or fibers we're at risk of
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being blown away sellotape was rubbed against a Leslie's clothing to lift any fibers before the winged claim for them
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to bright yellow all fibers were found on her jumper and an orange rayon fiber on her right sock trace of a white
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powder was also found on Leslie's clothing it was identified as containing maize starch an ingredient in wallpaper
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paste investigators combed the moor for evidence the area was littered with rubbish discarded by passing cars or
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swept up from elsewhere and carried downwind police collected what they could find including empty bottles
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cigarette packets handkerchiefs a sock and a blue pen with a white cap in total 379 items were collected in and around
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the crime scene one of these items stood out a broken knife found near the label
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however tests later revealed it was not the murder weapon the man who found Leslie David
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Greenville was at his home in Nottingham the day of her disappearance and police
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quickly eliminated him as a suspect when the police car came to a gentle stop at the front of their delamere Road
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home the mole seeds knew their little well had finally been found the investigation into the murder of Leslie
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mol seed was kick-started by one hundred police officers from West Yorkshire and
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Greater Manchester they were powered by mounting pressure to find to Leslie's killer as soon as possible with no
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witnesses having heard signs of a struggle in sty ops lane where Leslie disappeared police considered the
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possibility Leslie was lured away by someone she knew and trusted local traders ice-cream man milkman youth
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group assistants taxi drivers even Leslie's school bus driver were all interviewed as potential suspects
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the grieving mole seat family also felt the heat of the investigators spotlight their personal lives were exposed and
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scrutinized for any hint to a motive for Leslie's death Leslie's mother April mol
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seed was originally married to Frederic Anderson who was the biological father of Leslie and her three siblings April
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believed Frederic did not adjust well to his role as a father tensions peaked when Leslie was born whose ill health
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demanded more time and attention one day frederick snapped and stormed out of the family home in a temper
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as her relationship with Frederic deteriorated April found comfort in Danny mol seat Danny was far more
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compassionate towards her children especially Leslie torn between both men April decided to fix her broken marriage
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the innocence moved to Delamere Road where old tensions were revived this resulted in April being hospitalized for
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psychiatric treatment upon her release Danny moved into the Delamere Road house to help her recover causing April's
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husband Frederick to leave Frederick and April divorced in 1972 afterwards April
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and Danny settled into a relationship and in early 1975 they married wheredid bliss was fleeting though Danny lost his
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job and the family were overwhelmed with death Danny also had a tumultuous relationship with his older stepdaughter
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16 year old Julie the two were always in conflict has Danny drew issue with Julie's boyfriend's causing the pair to
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have intense arguments Julie moved out of the Delamere road property to live with her biological father
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Fredrik instability led both April and Danny to alcohol when social services visited the mall seat hours after a call
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from a concerned neighbor they found the young children home alone and April and
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Danny at the pub stressors didn't dissipate when Danny finally found work debt still
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overshadowed their daily lives forcing the mole seed family to start borrowing money from friends and neighbors the
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people soon stopped lending the money because they were never paid back the mole seeds were far from an ordinary
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stable suburban family with divorce debt and drinking problems as well as the added demands of an unwell trial a
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possible motive was established although it was shaky no one was fully convinced
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the mole seed family would intentionally harm Leslie Danny mole seed had proven when provoked
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he could have a temper with his stepchildren did something happen causing him to snap and lash out at
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Leslie it wasn't impossible but it didn't seem likely Danny admitted Leslie was his favorite
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and therefore she was the least likely target of his frustration nevertheless as more of a precaution
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Danny mal Sayed was added to the list of suspects in Leslie's murder by October 10 with no suspects in
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custody an additional 100 police officers joined the investigation they followed up on 400 calls that had come
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in from the public descriptions of car seen in the vicinity of turf Hill Estate were taken of particular focus was the
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labor and more where Leslie's body was found motorists who travel along the a 670 motorway in the previous days were
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asked to come forward with descriptions of cars they had seen at or near the lay-by on the a 672 each vehicle was
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traced and ruled out except to the cream four-door car with a red primer paint on
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the doors were seen on the sunday of Leslie's disappearance within a kilometer of telomere road a turf Hill
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Estate resident spotted the vehicle at around 1:30 p.m. she claimed to have seen a young girl in the cars passenger
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seat looking down the witness was convinced the young girl was Leslie Mull seed two men saw the same cream-colored
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car that afternoon but were unable to say if there were any children in it they identified it as old possibly in
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1964 Vauxhall Viva a similar car was described by two more witnesses who spotted it at the Labor
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between 6:15 and 6:45 p.m. that night the second vehicle yet to be identified and ruled out was a dirty hand painted
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turquoise colored Morris Minor 1000 minivan a total of 14 witnesses described seeing
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this van in the turf Hillier stayed on the Sunday Wesley disappeared the sightings covered a period between
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1:30 and 6:30 p.m. it was also seen parked at the lay-by between 2:00 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. with a green tartan
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blanket draped across the windshield a police request for the owners of the cream-colored Vauxhall Viva into the
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hand-painted turquoise Morris Minor minivan when on the incident the team of 20 investigators worked full-time on the
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search for these two vehicles Raj style local Christopher Coverdale drove past the a6 72 motorway lay buyer the Sunday
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Wesley was abducted he approached the lay-by at approximately 1:45 p.m. when he saw a man on the embankment facing
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the road and reaching downwards the Caucasian man was approximately 5 foot 6 inches tall plump between 30 and 35
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years old with light brown or fair colored hair that looked to be receding he wore a brown jacket in a check
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pattern matching trousers and a beige or mustard yellow cardigan he was reaching
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down to the outstretched hand of a female child below she was wearing a blue raincoat with the hood up over her
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head the girl was not being dragged up the hillside against her will and Christopher assumed the pair were
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related perhaps stretching their legs after a long road trip or wanting to check out the view of the Moors
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the scene didn't raise any red flags at the time but after hearing about Leslie mal seed Christopher immediately came
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forward with this information investigators took Christopher Coverdale to the labor and asked him to point out
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where he saw the girl being led to Christopher motioned to an area near where Leslie mole seeds body was found
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by October 15 awaited past since Leslie body had been found no arrests had been made so another 100 police officers were
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added to the investigation raising the total to 300 officers actively working on the case
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collectively they had amassed statements from 14,000 members of the public including Christopher Coverdale chilling
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statement of the men leading the young girl up the embankment at the asic seven to lay by Detective
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Chief Superintendent Jack Dibb front of the media and expressed the opinion of law enforcement that the Modi for
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Leslie's killing was definitely sexual the person responsible was beyond just the pedophile but someone quote mentally
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deranged with sexual deviations in need of urgent attention investigators visited mental health facilities and
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psychiatric wards in checked for patients who were released or had escaped the weekend though October 5th
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crime reports in the Greater Manchester area will look into to determine if Leslie was targeted by a serial offender
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that may have attacked other victims they found several reports that piqued their interest two months before
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Leslie's murder on the morning of August 12 in miles plating two young sisters were hunched over a canal fishing they
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were approached by a man who abducted one of them and assaulted her he returned her to the canal after the
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attack on Tuesday October 7 two days after Leslie had disappeared a six-year-old
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girl in Denton was assaulted an unidentified man offering sweets lured the girl into a Breann car described by
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a witness as a four-door Cortina the girl was taken to a secluded Road where she was indecently assaulted before
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fleeing then in Stockport a man attempted to drag a thirteen-year-old girl into his
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car but she managed to free herself and escaped detective Jack Dibb recognized there were notable differences between
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each of these attacks and two Leslee mole Said's murder but believed it would be foolish to completely disregard a
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link closer to Rochdale residents were hyper vigilant the sooner Leslie's killer was caught the sooner they'd
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regained their sense of safety the police were never short on reports of suspicious behavior and sexual deviance
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teachers reported a tall slim man taking photographs of children in the school playground lone female travelers
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reported male drivers offering them lifts a report came in about a man who exposed himself to a woman and another
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of a man caught masturbating in public the investigators suspect profile for Leslie's killer was basic mail post
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puberty with access to a car but they were also open to the possibility more than one person may have been involved
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including a female accomplice used to lure Leslie this was of course the mo of serial killers Myra Hindley and Ian
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Brady who were active ten years earlier as covered in case 49 of case file [Music]
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as the investigation continued to teenage girls from the turf hill estate approached police with some startling
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news they claimed to have seen Leslie mal seed between eight and 8:15 p.m. the Sunday she went missing
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the girls were waiting for their boyfriends who were in a nearby supermarket they said they spotted
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Leslie walking alone just outside the estate the girls had a short conversation with Leslie and afterwards
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she walked off towards Rochdale town centre this was the first reported sighting of Leslie beyond sty ups lane
00:35:08
this sighting rattled the entire investigation previous statements were now in question
00:35:14
this included Christopher Coverdale sighting of the man and a girl on the embankment above the lay-by at around
00:35:20
1:45 p.m. police had strongly suspected this had to have been Leslie and her killer moments prior to her death but
00:35:28
now two witnesses had come forward reporting a sighting of Leslie hours after this
00:35:34
then came yet another surprising revelation three boys came forward and revealed they spoke to Leslie near the
00:35:42
spark convenience store on an still road at 2:30 p.m. the sunday of her disappearance
00:35:47
this also went against what police had interpreted so far having believed she disappeared from stai ops Lane sometime
00:35:55
between 12:30 and 1:30 p.m. police were forced to reshape their theories of Leslie's actions on Sunday October 5th
00:36:03
based on these new accounts the three boys who saw her in the afternoon and the two teenage girls who saw her that
00:36:11
night were reading of you´d during these re interviews all five witnesses retracted their statements each one
00:36:20
admitted their stories were completely made-up none of them had actually seen Leslie that afternoon or night so police
00:36:29
were back to their original theory Leslie had disappeared from stai ops Lane sometime between 12:30 and 1:30
00:36:36
p.m. these two false leads were just a few of many investigators didn't want to disregard any reported sighting no
00:36:45
matter how unlikely it seemed this meant valuable time and resources were constantly wasted on following wrong
00:36:52
leads incorrect sightings and to outright lies Detective Chief Superintendent Jack Dibb didn't want
00:37:01
anyone or anything to be eliminated from the MAL seed murder investigation until
00:37:06
every last piece of information was obtained and proven absolutely unrelated to her abduction and murder he sifted
00:37:14
through the case with the finest of cones that is until he was called back to West Yorkshire to lead a different
00:37:21
murder inquiry in Bradford the leadership in the Massey de murder investigation was handed over to his
00:37:28
junior officer detective Superintendent dick Holland you may recall the name dick Holland
00:37:34
from his participation in the Yorkshire Ripper investigation covered in case 37 of case file
00:37:40
Jack Dibb would continue to oversee the investigation into Leslie mal seeds murder but dick Holland was now
00:37:47
responsible for it detective Holland made renewed appeals to the public reiterating their ongoing
00:37:54
search for the owners of the cream 1964 Vauxhall Viva witnessed with a child passenger and to the hand-painted
00:38:01
turquoise Morris 1000 minivan seen at the Labor information then came in about a
00:38:10
disturbing incident on the night of Friday October 3rd at the youth club at Kingsway Park two nights before Leslie
00:38:17
was abducted Leslie was a member of that same News Club and too lived less than 300 meters
00:38:24
away from the park although she wasn't there the night of October 3rd when the following incident occurred at 9:50 p.m.
00:38:33
that night three girls aged between 16 and 18 aught towards the Kingsway youth club they were startled by a man who
00:38:41
opened his coat and let his pants drop exposing his genitals the girl shrieked and ran towards the youth club one of
00:38:49
the girls heard the man yell when I get you bastards I'll shove this right up you police spoke with other children
00:38:57
present at the youth club that nine to ten year old girls were walking home when they caught sight of a man standing
00:39:03
in the shadows of the front porch of a clinic on Stiles Lane leaning against the wall with a hand in his pocket he
00:39:10
watched as the girls walked past unease by his lingering presence the pair rushed back to the safety of the Kings
00:39:18
wait youth club they described the man as around 5 foot 10 inches tall thin wearing a dark overcoat and a dark hat
00:39:26
possibly a beanie they along with others who were out walking that night also noticed the dark green or yellow car
00:39:35
parked nearby with the radio playing way out from an open window many other children came forward with their own
00:39:43
accounts of this unknown men some thought he was wearing a black beret a little girl thought he was wearing a
00:39:50
mask over his face another saw he had a pair of binoculars around his neck one girl watched the man from the
00:39:57
windows of the youth club building she said he was carrying a knife police found the children's
00:40:04
recollections of the night varied in minor details the police expected small discrepancies or exaggerations in
00:40:10
statements given by young children and teenagers who witnessed something traumatic nevertheless one thing was
00:40:17
consistent they all saw a suspicious man acting indecent near the youth club that
00:40:23
night only two nights before Leslie mole seed was murdered 13 year olds Deborah Mills and Maxine Buckley were at the
00:40:33
youth club on the night of Friday October 3rd as well they both observed the deviant loitering around sty ops
00:40:40
Lane and were able to offer police their own descriptions of the man Deborah and
00:40:45
Maxine had another frightening encounter the following day as well October 4th the day before Leslie was murdered about
00:40:54
12:45 p.m. Maxine and Deborah were walking together along with other saw Street in the turf Hill Estate they both
00:41:03
caught sight of a man loitering on the corner of Jackson Street he looked to be 5 foot 10 inches tall between the age of
00:41:10
20 and 30 with a broad build smooth complexion and light brown hair he wore a light green parka
00:41:18
the men crossed the street and stood before the girls he opened his coat exposed his genitals then immediately
00:41:25
took off running along Heather saw Street towards Crawford Street Maxine ran home and police were
00:41:31
contacted this time Maxine thought she knew who the man was Maxine told her mother Sheila I think
00:41:40
that was the man who lives in Crawford Street the house with the plants in the window police scoured the area but
00:41:48
couldn't find the man as Maxine believed she recognized the man as a resident of
00:41:53
Crawford Street she was driven by police to point out which house she believed he
00:41:57
lived in the police watched the property for a long time but there was no sign of
00:42:02
life inside nobody came or went the place was empty it was clear to police a pervert was in the turf Hill estate
00:42:12
confronting young children and teenagers on the same weekend that Leslie was murdered so naturally they considered
00:42:19
this unidentified man as a suspect in Leslie's attack almost a month into the search for Leslie's killer yet another
00:42:28
incident was recorded to police this again involved in Maxine Buckley who witnessed the youth club and if ever saw
00:42:35
street flashings Maxine's mother Sheila called police on the night of Wednesday November 5th the town of Rochdale was
00:42:44
alive with festivities and fireworks for Guy Fawkes night also referred to as bonfire night as residents lit up
00:42:51
bonfires all over town as part of the celebration at around 8:30 p.m. that annoyed Maxine Buckley walked home from
00:42:59
a bonfire party with her friend Michael repeating they were walking down Vava saw Street when Michael recalled
00:43:06
Maxine's dr. broccoli and her expression changed from a smile to blank fear up ahead a man wearing a parka walked
00:43:16
towards them he was pulling faces and grinding his teeth Maxine recognized him as the man who
00:43:23
exposed himself to her and Deborah Mills on October 4th in Ravis Austrey Michael and Maxine ran to her place to
00:43:31
tell her mother police conducted a patrol to try and find the man but they had no success Maxine Michael enter
00:43:40
their mother's got into a car and drove to the house on Crawford Street where Maxine believed the perpetrator lived
00:43:46
and this time there were signs of life the front door was open and the hallway illuminated inside was a
00:43:56
small older woman standing beside a looming overweight men in dark trousers and a light shirt
00:44:03
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police arrived to the house on Crawford Street at 10:20 p.m. they wanted to interview the man
00:49:10
Maxine Buckley had identified as the sexual deviant who'd exposed himself to her on October 4th on Vava sourcetree
00:49:17
maxine wasn't certain if he was also the same man from the youth club incident on
00:49:21
october 3rd but given the similarities in both incidents it seemed likely that were
00:49:26
perpetrated by the same offender charlotte Kisco answered the door inside the police found the house in disarray
00:49:35
boxes filled with belongings were everywhere Charlotte explained they were in the
00:49:40
process of moving when police told her the reason of their visit Charlotte said you have no right to accuse my son of
00:49:48
such things he's a sick boy he has only been out of hospital a couple of days my
00:49:54
son wouldn't do a thing like that and I don't like what you're saying about him police were introduced to Charlotte's
00:50:02
son 23-year old Stefan Stefan's parents emigrated to England after the second world war
00:50:08
Charlotte born in Yugoslavia had worked in Rochdale cotton mills and his father ivan was a ukrainian road worker at
00:50:17
first a healthy baby stefan developed asthma when he was six months old from the cotton dust in the nearby textile
00:50:23
mills by age five he developed eczema health specialists advised Stefan should be permanently moved elsewhere but the
00:50:32
kishka family were relying on Rochdale for work instead Stefan was taken for a brief stay at his
00:50:38
grandmother's house in Austria the cleaner air cleared his asthma and eczema only to be replaced with other
00:50:45
health problems including a blood disorder and an abscess at age six he was taken back to Rochdale and enrolled
00:50:52
in school one year behind his peers other children considered Stefan strange he wasn't interested in playing with
00:51:00
them he didn't have the energy even if he wanted to over the summer he was sent back to Austria and two missed out on
00:51:07
social activities back in Rochdale therefore Stefan never had any close friends his health continued to decline causing
00:51:16
him to focus more on academic studies his headmaster recalled he was a loner and had no interest in typical youth
00:51:22
activities nevertheless his classmates considered him friendly well-behaved and generous Stefan got along with others
00:51:31
and didn't attract negative attention but as he got older he became an easy target for bullies
00:51:37
he became ostracized and eventually he moved schools upon leaving school in 1968 he earned a certificate in office
00:51:47
studies whilst attending night classes the further his English in German in 1969 he began work as a clerk with a tax
00:51:55
agency Stefan was intelligent enough to perform his duties although he was perceived by his colleagues as unworldly
00:52:02
and immature nevertheless his superior considered him a satisfactory worker female staff appreciated Stefan because
00:52:10
he was always willing to help him carry heavy items assessments revealed Stefan had the mental and emotional development
00:52:18
of a 12 year old despite his towering bulky frame he was considered a gentle giant he had a soft
00:52:25
high-pitched voice and his teeth were brown from an addiction to sweets he was known to always carry a bag of
00:52:32
sweets on him making him popular with local children awkward and vulnerable he avoided work social activities
00:52:40
preferring to stay at home in September 1970 when Stefan was 18 years old his 56
00:52:47
year old father Ivan collapsed on a street he had suffered a fatal heart attack and was buried at Rochdale
00:52:54
Cemetery with the death of Ivan Kisco Stefan and his mother Charlotte drew strength from each other for Stefan
00:53:03
Charlotte was his best friend others viewed their closeness as abnormal especially for someone Stefan's age on
00:53:11
November 5th 1975 one month after Leslie's murder police spoke with Stefan questioning him about the numerous
00:53:19
reports of indecent exposure around a turf hill estate Stefan left from his chair and demanded his mother when
00:53:27
Charlotte appeared he said they have just accused me of exposing myself to some girls
00:53:33
Charlotte responded that's stupid he never would do a thing like that Stefan allowed the officers to check out
00:53:42
his car a small bronze colored Hillman Avenger he told police he hadn't driven the car for several waits due to a
00:53:49
recent leg injury one year prior Stefan suffered a complex break in his ankle known as a Potts fracture he hadn't
00:53:56
fully recovered from the surgery and at times he'd go through bouts of agonizing
00:54:00
pain requiring him to walk with a stick police found nothing to suggest Stefan was the sexual deviant but before they
00:54:09
left they warned him they'd be making further inquiries a report was written on the matter detailing the accusations
00:54:16
against Stefan and a copy of this report was handed to the team investigating Wesley mo-cedes murder just over a month
00:54:26
later around 5:00 p.m. on December 7th the day of lesli mole Said's funeral two detectives investigating the murder
00:54:33
arrived to a semi-detached house in Kings Road it belonged to the kids ghost who had just completed their move from
00:54:41
their home in Crawford Street flow of information for the Mull seed murder investigation had dried up police were
00:54:49
reaching a standstill 12,000 269 people had been checked out and 8,000 and 69 vehicles had been investigated 7,000
00:54:59
formal interviews were conducted and 4917 statements were taken the Vauxhall Viva and Morris Minor vehicles seen by
00:55:09
witnesses when Lesley disappeared were yet to be identified although thousands of matching vehicles had been
00:55:15
ruled out six people had been listed as strong persons of interest but all were eventually eliminated from the
00:55:22
investigation detectives when they are sifting meticulously through the abundance of
00:55:28
information obtained hoping to find a missing link or piece of evidence that would lead them to the identity of
00:55:33
Leslie's killer this included investigating the claims made against Stephan Kisco by Maxine
00:55:40
Buckley Stephan was questioned for a second time about the October 4th indecent exposure incident on valise or
00:55:47
street Stephan gave a more detailed alibi this time he said he was in hospital having
00:55:53
an operation on his foot the following day when Leslie was abducted Stephan claimed he was being
00:55:59
discharged from the hospital when police asked for proof Stephan shuffled through
00:56:04
cluttered packing boxes then conceded he couldn't find his hospital discharge letter Stephan excused himself to make a
00:56:12
phone call police overheard the conversation Stephan asked the person on the other
00:56:17
line if they could remember what day he left hospital after a long pause Stephan
00:56:22
said oh it's just that I'm supposed to have killed a little girl Neil Steffen ended the call and told police the
00:56:30
person he spoke to was unable to help Stephan said he was willing to make a formal statement regarding his
00:56:38
whereabouts on Sunday October 5th at this stage detectives weren't fully convinced Stephan had any involvement in
00:56:46
Leslie's abduction or murder he didn't fit their profile of Leslie's killer he was socially naive and childlike polite
00:56:54
and gentle and although a little strange detectives believed he was decent and respectable
00:57:01
stephane made a one-page signed statement quote as far as I can remember on Sunday October 5 this year I was an
00:57:10
inpatient at Manchester Royal where I was receiving treatment for an ankle injury if I had been discharged from
00:57:16
hospital on October 5 I would have certainly have spent all that day at home as I was almost unable to walk at
00:57:22
the time detectives later visited the Manchester Royal Hospital upon checking hospital records they made a startling
00:57:32
discovery Stephan kishka was not discharged than October 5 he was discharged on September 15 three weeks
00:57:42
before Leslie was abducted detectives returned to the kingsroad house to confront Stephan with the discrepancy in
00:57:53
his statement he seemed unruffled saying it was a long time ago and he couldn't fully remember the day he accepted he
00:58:01
must not have been at Manchester Royal Hospital on the weekend of October 4 and 5 instead he claimed he was at his
00:58:07
Crawford Road home hoping his mother pack in preparation for their move to Kings robe according to Stefan
00:58:15
he remained home for the duration of his recovery he didn't go out at any time because he had difficulty walking stefan
00:58:22
stated specifically that the first time he left the house after his surgery was sunday october 12 a week after Leslie
00:58:29
was abducted on that day he drove his mother and aunt to Rochdale cemetery to visit his father's grave at 10:30 a.m.
00:58:39
on December 21 1975 Stefan Kish Co heard another knock at his front door the three detectives on Stefan's doorstep
00:58:48
asked him to accompany them to the police station to further discuss the incidents of indecent exposure
00:58:54
Stefan agreed he also committed police to search his bedroom and car in his bedroom police collected a soul tissue
00:59:03
from under his pillow in several adult magazines found on the side of his bed at the police station
00:59:10
Stefan was again questioned about the weekend of October 4 & 5 he maintained he didn't leave the house
00:59:16
as he was too weak after his visit to the hospital weeks prior to clarify police again asked Stefan why he was
00:59:24
hospitalized he explained that he had a blood transfusion and several injections
00:59:30
this story caught the interviewing detectives attention it was completely different to his previous version where
00:59:37
he said he was hospitalized to receive treatment on an injured foot it was unlikely to be a simple mistake the
00:59:44
reason for a hospital visit isn't something one would easily confuse Stefan appeared lost in his own lies
00:59:53
stephane stood firm about not leaving his house until Sunday October 12 when he took his mother and aunt to visit
00:59:59
Rochdale Cemetery police then moved to their focus to bonfire night November 5 the night Maxine Buckley and Michael
01:00:08
Rigby saw Stephon walking along with other saw Street pulling faces and grinding his teeth at them
01:00:13
but Stefan denied going out that night to believing they were dealing with a liar detectives pressed the matter
01:00:21
as expected Stefan wasn't being truthful he later admitted he was out that night
01:00:27
he was driving some items from the crawford street address to their new house on Kings Road in response to being
01:00:35
positively identified by Maxine Buckley as the man who exposed himself to her Stefan claimed she must have been
01:00:41
mistaking him for someone else police since Stefan was hiding something and two that were right through more
01:00:50
questioning they got Stefan to admit he stopped by a bonfire when out driving that night when asked if he got out of
01:00:57
the car he said quote well uh now you've done but I can't remember it's all a bit
01:01:03
hazy it's these damned injections they make me feel a bit funny for a few days after
01:01:09
I have them in August 1975 two months before Leslie's motor Stefan was admitted to hospital for severe anaemia
01:01:20
tests confirmed Stefan had hypogonadism a hormone deficiency that causes defective sexual development this
01:01:28
explained why Stefan was stuck in a childlike mental state treatment was intramuscular testosterone
01:01:35
injections administered once every three weeks common side effects from the injections
01:01:40
were headaches dizziness and anxiety but more worryingly from the police point of
01:01:46
view they could cause increased aggression an increased interest in sex as Stephan was questioned at Rochdale
01:01:54
police station a further search of his kingsroad house was underway Charlotte kishka was home at the time
01:02:00
and didn't object to the search in Stefan's bedroom officers found the small white handled penknife in a box on
01:02:08
the windowsill and a red-handled flick knife in the top drawer of his dressing table a search of his car revealed a
01:02:15
pair of red industrial gloves under the front passenger seat two pairs of imitation leather gloves on the
01:02:20
dashboard three deflated balloons and two bags of sweets in the ashtray a syringe in the glove compartment and a
01:02:27
hooded parka on the rear seat under a piece of carpet in the boot they found 11 adult magazines back at the station
01:02:36
police questions Stefan about the testosterone injections for his hormone deficiency Stefan said well when I was
01:02:44
in hospital I discussed my problem with a doctor and he gave me some injections to bring me on he later added of no
01:02:51
interest in girls at all but the injections will help me Stefan was asked to empty his pockets he
01:02:59
produced the black handled knife he claimed to use to clean his car battery he also produced a second knife this
01:03:05
blade was three and three-quarter inches long and half an inch wide with an imitation bone handle
01:03:11
according to Stefan he used this one to cut string police went back to questioning Stefan about bonfire night
01:03:20
November 4th the night Maxine identified him as the man who exposed himself to her they had so far established Stefan
01:03:28
lied about his actions that night they were now aware he did leave his house was out driving and he dropped by a
01:03:34
bonfire police wanted to know what he did when he stopped the car they were expecting him to confess to being on
01:03:41
Vava saw street and subsequently prove he was the unknown Davian exposing himself to
01:03:46
children in the turf hill estate what Stefan revealed instead shot them all whilst in his car by the bonfire Stefan
01:03:56
said he saw some girls and a quote got it out and a wank to myself off he said that was the first time he had
01:04:04
masturbated in public but he'd done at other times since then when girls weren't around he would use the
01:04:10
magazines instead as Stefan's interview continued police searching his car made an intriguing discovery in the glove
01:04:21
compartment they found two small pieces of paper with a list of handwritten letters and
01:04:25
numbers they were car registration details one stood out from the rest unlike the others it was written in red
01:04:34
ink ADK 5:39 el police had actually seen this number plate before it belonged to
01:04:44
a renault 16 teo the owners had spoken to investigators earlier in the Mulsanne murder
01:04:50
investigation the Renault belonged to a couple from Manchester on Sunday October 5 1975 the
01:04:58
day of Leslie's abduction they visited Rochdale arriving at 2:15 p.m. and leaving at 7:15 p.m. upon their arrival
01:05:06
and departure they had travelled along the a6 72 motorway passing the lay buyer where Leslie mal seeds body was later
01:05:13
found police wanted to know why Stefan Kisco had this number plate written on a piece
01:05:20
of paper in his car with this discovery detective Superintendent dick Holland the leading officer of the Mulsanne
01:05:27
murder investigation decided to take a more active role in the questioning of Stefan kishka he sensed this was the
01:05:33
smoking gun they'd spent three months searching for detective Holland asked Stefan about the list of car
01:05:41
registration details he had written down Stefan admitted he would write down the
01:05:45
registration details of any vehicles he was bothered by or saw driving recklessly he'd started years before
01:05:52
when he was almost hit by a car police had told him back then that unless the car could be identified there was little
01:05:58
they could do and do they suggest that he take note of the registration details if it ever happened again
01:06:04
Stefan went through his lists and was able to recall the exact reason why he wrote down most of the registration
01:06:10
numbers he faltered only at one the number plate belonging to the Renault that passed the lay-by to us the day of
01:06:17
Leslie's disappearance the number plate that stood out from the others as it was
01:06:22
written in red ink stephane couldn't remember why he wrote that registration down he stated I can't
01:06:31
remember anything when I've had my injections I go all hazy fifteen hours had passed since Stefan
01:06:42
kishka arrived to the Rochdale police station it was obvious the pressure was mounting on him he kept asking if he
01:06:49
could go home to his mother when not answering questions he'd sit in uncomfortable silence he refused food
01:06:57
had little to drink and have vomited several times police eventually allowed him to get some sleep
01:07:03
he didn't awaken until 11:30 the following day questioning recommenced but at one point detective de colon had
01:07:12
to take a break stating he needed to supervise Stefan's car which was being transported to the
01:07:17
forensic testing lab Holland left Stefan in the presence of Detective Sergeant John Ackroyd as they waited for Holland
01:07:25
to return Stefan asked what was going to happen Ackroyd replied that further inquiries would be made
01:07:33
Stefan stated this is terrible it's those damned injections all this would never have happened
01:07:41
Aykroyd pried Stefan for more information Stefan said well that thing at Kingsway youth club and that little
01:07:50
girl I picked up Aykroyd asked Stefan which little girl he was referring to the little girl Lesley Stefan answered I
01:07:59
don't know what happened it's all a bit hazy it's those damned injections Stefan
01:08:06
went on to say that he picked Wesley up in his car on the Sunday the day he killed her Aykroyd stiffened ER Stefan
01:08:16
to clarify did you just admit you murdered Leslie mole seed yes Stephane required I killed
01:08:25
that little girl Ackroyd rushed to the door and signaled to the other officers within minutes
01:08:32
detective Holland returned with Chief Inspector Thomas Steele in tow stephane began his confession he started
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with the incident at the youth club the night of Friday October 3rd quote it was
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fairly dark there was a disco going on over youth club and girls came down the road something came over me and I
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unzipped my trousers and got my penis here I had a knife in my hand but that was a mere triviality as for the valise
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or Street incident involving Maxine Buckley on October 4th Stephon said he didn't deliberately
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expose himself he accidentally unzipped his pants and it was his shirt flap that
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came out next he spoke about Sunday October 5th when out driving he spotted Leslie mal seen walking alone
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down broad Lane the two had never met before this moment Stephon pulled up beside her and wound his window down he
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couldn't remember what he said but she got into the passenger seat of his car as Stephon drove off Leslie started
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shouting he hit her with his hand to silence her they drove for a short while and eventually wound up on the a 672
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motorway stephan pulled his car into a Labour feeling overwhelmed by familiar urge he led Leslie up the hillside to
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the mall he made her lie on the grass and he masturbated onto her underwear Stephon pushed her away when he was done
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after this his memory became hazy he couldn't remember exactly where or how many times he stabbed Leslie he then
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wiped the bone-handled knife clean on her body clambered down the hill to his car and didn't look back
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after Stefan saw and his niece seven-page confession for the murder of Leslie mol seed he was arrested placed
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in a cell at the station and a lawyer was contacted on his behalf Stefan became increasingly distraught
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lost in the cell and kept asking if he could go home once his lawyer arrived and the two had a private discussion
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Stefan unexpectedly asked to retract his confession police led him back to the interview room Stefan gave a new
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statement this time in the presence of a lawyer in this new statement Stefan denied he was at the youth club on
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Friday October 3rd he maintained his account of the Vava saw street incident on october 4th that he accidentally
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unzipped his pants and a wizzy shirt flap that came out in regards to Sunday October 5th Stefan said he was out
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driving around for the turf Hill Estate but he outright denied abducting and killing Lesley mol seed
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police was skeptical they had already proven Stephan was a lawyer nevertheless this new statement was written up and
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signed by Stephan his lawyer and the officers present despite Stefan's new statement and retracted confession his
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arrest was upheld and he was led back to his cell on the way back to the cell detective dear : ask Stefan from your
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first statement you have described the effects of the drugs and if you were hazy and can't remember how do you know
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what you told me in the first statement is untrue - which Stefan replied I have told you the truth
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I remember the girl by the shop in broad Lane and taking her to the Moors I must have stabbed her that's how I
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showed you the bone-handled north Stefan had changed his account again he was back to confessing his lawyer was no
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longer present when he confessed to this second time at 10:15 p.m. that night Stefan was driven towards Halifax police
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station the police car moved away from the lights of Rochdale and into the dark rolling hills of the Moors suddenly the
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police car pulled off the road and came to a stop Stefan's body started to shake
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his hands moved into the prayer position he said anxiously I can hear voices can't you
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the police car rolled out of the labourer and emerged back onto the a 672 motorway on the morning of July 7 1976
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Stefan Kisco hunched under the heavy gaze of the trial judge Sir Hugh Park into the 12 jurors set to determine his
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fate Stefan had pled not guilty on Christmas Eve the year before his lawyer didn't apply for bail it was the first
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Christmas Charlotte kishka was alone without her son there was little doubt amongst the court Stefan kishka had
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abducted and killed Wesley Moll seed in private even his own lawyers said they thought he was guilty
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Stefan was a confessed public masturbator who'd exposed himself in the presence of young girls stefan
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attributed this sexually aggressive behavior to testosterone injections for his hormonal disorder he received one
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such injection on Friday October 3rd 1975 two days prior to Lesley mol Said's abduction as the war Stefan felt an
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attraction to children and made sense psychologically Stefan's delayed development when he was emotionally
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equivalent to a 12 year old so when the injections allowed him to feel sexual attraction and gratification his mind
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was attracted to those who most related to children the prosecution labelled Stefan's car a
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travelling kidnapping kit he had the bait to lure children balloons and sweets as well as the weapons to carry
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out an attack Clovis enormous inside his glove compartment was the list of registration numbers including the one
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belonging to the Renault that passed the labour the afternoon of Leslie's disappearance
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stephane refused to offer an explanation why he noted this number down the prosecution put forward the Stefan
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witness the car whilst that the lay-by with Leslie Stefan's appearance strongly matched eyewitness Christopher covered
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hours account of the man he saw leading a child matching Leslie's description up
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to the mall that same afternoon and of course Stefan's own confession before he retracted it stated he drove to the
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lay-by with Leslie at that taller forensic evidence proved Stefan had contact with Leslie will fibers found on
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Leslie's clothing matched carpet used as a mat on the floor of Stefan's vehicle white powder and Leslie's clothing
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identified as wallpaper paste was found in Stefan's home a blue pen with a white
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cap found at the crime scene matched pens used at his workplace the knife Stefan had previously confessed using
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had traces of blood on it the semen staining found on Leslie's underwear could not be blood or DNA
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tested due to limitations with the technology but forensic testing did conclude the staining on Leslie's
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underwear only contained seminal fluid not sperm this meant it had come from someone who was infertile Stefan was
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infertile after Stefan retracted his confession for Leslie's murder he offered an alibi instead on Sunday
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October 5 1975 he said he was at home between noon and 1:30 p.m. the timeframe Leslie was likely abducted after lunch
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Stefan said he drove his mother in his own to the Rochdale cemetery to lay fresh flowers on his father's grave
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after that they visited a grocery store where Stefan purchased the jar of German
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mustard he recalled an argument taking place in the store at the time over some curtains
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afterwards Stefan drove his mother and aren't home to Crawford Street an employee at the grocery store recalled
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Stefan coming in to purchase the mustard and even corroborated his story about the argument over curtains that was
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happening in the store but she couldn't be certain a day in question was October
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5 she accepted it was just as likely to obtain the following weight back at the kishkes Crawford straight home on
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October 5 Stefan's aunt said she remembered hearing the wail of a fire engine when they returned home after
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visiting the grocery store police confirmed no fire related emergency calls were made in that area on October
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5 but the fire brigade did attend a house in Crawford Street on October 12 this led police to believe the alibis
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Stefan had given was for events that had taken place the week after Leslie's murder the most implicating evidence was
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Stefan's first confession he detailed facts about the crime scene only Leslie's killer could know
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this included Leslie's attacker did not remove her underwear semen staining was found on the outside of her clothing and
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to the murder weapon was wiped clean on her body police had intentionally kept these
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things from public knowledge to help determine false leads and false confessions yet Stefan had mentioned
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these facts in detail in his original confession only the killer could know them the prosecution theorized Stephan
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retracted his first confession to avoid shaming guilt and to protect his mother from learning what he had done a proven
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lawyer he back pedaled and denied everything in a desperate attempt to secure his release the defense wanted
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Stefan to consider arguing a case for me ins Florida under the reason of diminished responsibility arguing the
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testosterone injections impaired Stefan's judgment and actions however Stefan refused to admit guilt in any
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capacity he was even confident the jury would find him innocent on July 21 1976 after 5 hours and 35
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minutes of deliberation the jury and Stefan kishkes trial for the murder of Leslie mal Sayed reached their verdict
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guilty Stephane was given a life sentence with a minimum of 30 years early release
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would only be considered if he admitted his guilt for the murder the Mulsanne family was satisfied justice was served
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for child killer Stefan kishka yet his capture and conviction did not bring April and I'll cede any sense of joy
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quote when Leslie died I died a kind of death it just completely and utterly killed
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every emotion that I heard I'm still the same today the trial judge sue hue park commended
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the police officers of West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester for their great work in bringing Kisco to justice and
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for their expertise in sifting through the masses of case material judge Park also praised those who had bravely come
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forward and reported the indecent acts committed by Stefan kishka Maxine Buckley was singled out by the judge and
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thanked for her sharp eye in identifying Stefan as the sexual deviant in the turf
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hill estate it was Maxine who'd set the line of inquiry information leading to the capture of Stefan kishka her mother
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Sheila was proud of her daughter's actions she told the media Raj tells children
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were much safer now thanks to her daughter Maxine a monster had been put away or so it seemed
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to be continued next week [Music] I want you to meet Daniel Bronstein he's a little strange some nights I wake up
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and I think it would be amazing to go on a flamingo hunt he lives in a rundown mansion originally this was meant to be
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a bathroom but I've converted it into my bedroom I just feel more comfortable sleeping in small spaces and so I
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actually sleep in this top and he also may have killed his twin brother Chuck I'm online what's your emergency my
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