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or on our website [Music] on june 12 1991 john wilkinson received a strange request
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john worked as a blacksmith and ran a successful engineering shop with his wife berget in the small north queensland
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town of atherton on that particular wednesday john walked from his workshop into the adjoining office and spotted
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his wife chatting with their accountant and friend vicky arnold who was working on the
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couple's computer 27 year old vicki was a quiet and kind person who worked hard and also volunteered at the local church
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having relocated to atherton from the larger city of cairns she'd befriended the wilkinsons quite
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quickly and often visited them outside of her office hours for a little while she'd even lived with
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them and helped out by babysitting their children john joined the two women and the three
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of them made small talk for a while then vicky asked john if he could help her with something
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she wanted to buy a gun specifically a 22 caliber rifle that was for her boyfriend who worked on
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a cattle station john knew that vicky knew nothing about guns and informed her that a 22 would be too
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light to use on a cattle station she simply replied that was what her boyfriend wanted
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he just needed something to stash under his seat and was willing to pay around 500 for it
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john agreed to help and began looking in a local paper where people could list things for sale
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soon he found a private seller advertising a 22 semi-automatic ruger it had a 10-shot
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magazine and the seller only wanted 300 for it 200 less than vicki had said she'd spend
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pleased with the discovery john bought the rifle then passed it along to vicky in early
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july a few days later he asked her if her boyfriend was happy with it she enthusiastically responded that he
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was what john didn't realize was that vicky didn't have a boyfriend that anyone knew about at least
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[Music] on the evening of thursday july 25 1991 several weeks after buying the 22 ruger
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vicki arnold drove over to the home of her best friend julianne lay although the two women had
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only been friends for a few years they were already extremely close they'd met in 1987 when julianne
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and her partner alan lay contracted vicky to handle the accounts for their carpet laying business
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when julianne married allen a year later vicki was their bridesmaid the women were at different stages in
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their lives but this didn't get in the way of their friendship vicky hoped to find love but was
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currently single and living alone in a rented apartment 26 year old julianne had four children
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three girls and a boy she was also raising her 16 year old half sister vanessa stewart who moved in two years
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earlier after spending much of her childhood living with her grandmother the lay household was a big and bustling
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one that thursday night vicky pulled up at the lay's residence on dancer drive in
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atherton the sweet and gentle vicky was such a regular guest at the lay home that the children called her aunt vicki
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as vicky arrived julianne was dishing up scrambled eggs for the children's dinner
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and fixed a plate for vicki as well then the two women headed to julianne's bedroom to wrap some presents for her
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ten-year-old daughter anitra whose birthday was in two days time when that task was finished vicky and
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julianne joined the rest of the family in the lounge room julianne's husband 28 year old alan lay
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was dozing in a bean bag still wearing his work clothes while the kids watched tv
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vicky and julianne started a game of scrabble and the children began to go to bed
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vanessa julianne's 16 year old half sister was allowed to stay up later than the others
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but by 10 pm julianne told her to go to bed as well the teenager made her sister and vicki
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some tea before heading to her room for the evening alan continued to snooze in the bean bag
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until he suddenly woke at 12 25 am the television was still on and the two women were still in the room
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playing scrabble allen smoked a cigarette and began to watch a movie that had started about
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frankenstein's monster the three of them chattered and joked about until julianne announced
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that she wasn't interested in watching that particular movie she and vicki discussed going late night
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fishing at nearby lake tinaru instead a pastime allen had often known them to partake in
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at approximately 12 45 am alan went to check on baby kathleen who'd woken up outside he heard the engine of
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julianne's white nissan 4-wheel drive start up the car pulled out of the driveway
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and the sound of its motor grew faint as it headed off down the road at 6 50 in the morning alan was woken by
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his sister-in-law vanessa she couldn't find julianne and asked alan if he knew where she
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was allen estimated that the fishing trip should have only taken the women a few hours
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it didn't make sense that they could still be out plus julianne had left her driver's
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license and cigarettes behind allen jumped out of bed dressed and went to look for them
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julianne's four-wheel drive was still gone while vicky's car remained parked outside the property
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alan hopped in his own white van and drove over to vicky's apartment he pounded on the front door when there
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was no answer he knocked on the door of vicky's next-door neighbor a woman named pamela
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fox pamela told alan she hadn't seen or heard anything so he headed out to lake tenaroo
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there was no sign of them he checked a couple more locations where he thought they could be
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but there was no trace of vicky or julianne in any of the usual places [Music] time was ticking by and the children
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were at home preparing for school allen decided he had to go home to update them
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then he and his stepdaughter anitra went to the police station to raise the alarm
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atherton sits in the tablelands region of queensland an inland area of the state with several
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booming agricultural industries it's home to a small close-knit community and when word spread that
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vicky arnold and julianne lay were missing locals were quick to help with the search
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their friends colleagues and other townspeople joined allen in scouring the surrounds of
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lake tinaroo some focused on the surrounding streets and roadways suspecting that maybe the women's
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vehicle had broken down but hours passed with no sign of the two fronts or the four-wheel drive by 4 pm
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alan lay had officially reported both women missing one of the first people to learn of the
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disappearance was sergeant bernard wilkes a local police officer who happened to
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be close friends with vicky he'd met vicki through his wife jane a florist and the couple regularly invited the
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young woman over for meals she'd babysat their children and even went camping with their entire family
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when vicky had decided to be confirmed in the anglican church approximately 18 months earlier sergeant
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wilkes and jane agreed to be her godparents the sergeant was very troubled to learn
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his friend was missing and his concern only grew as dusk fell he knew vicky to be a responsible person
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who wasn't prone to taking off without warning moreover it was the middle of winter and
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the temperature had dropped to minus 1.7 degrees celsius the night before friday night was going to be similarly
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cold if the two women were lost in the bush somewhere they were at risk of succumbing to the
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elements accompanied by another officer sergeant wilkes visited vicky's ground floor apartment
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and a gained entrance via a window nothing appeared out of place he walked through
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each room keeping an eye out for anything unusual upon entering the spare bedroom
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something caught sergeant wilks's eye lying on the floor was a box of 22 caliber bullets
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its label indicated there should be 50 inside when sergeant wilkes picked up the box
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to examine it he saw that ten were missing [Music] this discovery troubled sergeant wilkes
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greatly he'd never known vicky to have any interest in firearms he didn't even think she owned a gun
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rummaging around some more he also found a telescopic sight that belonged to a 22-gauge rifle
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but there was no firearm anywhere sergeant wilkes headed to the lay residence to collect to vicky's car
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after driving it back to the police station he looked through it to see if he could find anything else of note
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vicky's purse was still there with 500 cash inside so were her glasses which she needed to drive and read
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there was a box of work-related files and a birthday gift she'd purchased for julianne's daughter
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anitra on saturday july 27 the day that julianne should have been celebrating her eldest daughter's birthday
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atherton police organized the structured search of the area an emergency services helicopter was
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dispatched and flew across the region but the pilot cited nothing relevant [Music]
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by monday morning the double disappearance had triggered a major incident investigation a full-scale
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ground and air search ensued and lasted for several days searchers honed in on surrounding
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bushland and mountain ranges but found no sign of the women or julianne's car police were both baffled and daunted by
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the situation if the women had just broken down somewhere surely they would have found
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them by now but it had been days since they were last seen if they decided to just head off
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somewhere together they could be hundreds of kilometers away by now the women's families were certain they
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hadn't just taken off vicki was a reliable employee who kept to a regular routine
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it wasn't in her character to run away on a spontaneous adventure although julianne was more outgoing and
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outspoken than her friend she also took her responsibility seriously she was a dedicated wife and a loving
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mother who diligently looked after her children and half-sister there had been no signs that anything
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was wrong and the day before they vanished had been completely normal only one of julianne's daughters
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nine-year-old sandra sue could think of something strange that had happened earlier that day vicky had taken a break
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from work to have lunch with the julianne something she did quite often sandra sue
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hadn't been at school that day so she'd been there when vicki arrived bringing sticky buns as a special
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treat not long after she arrived though julianne told sandra sue to go to her room
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so she and vicki could speak privately this had never happened before the nine-year-old was curious and
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couldn't resist leaving her room to see if she could find out what they were talking about
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she saw vicky and julianne engaged in an intense conversation when julianne caught sight of her
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daughter she angrily ordered get back to your room [Music] two weeks later at around 4pm on friday
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august 9 five teenagers round their way through a remote area of the herberton range
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15 kilometers southwest of atherton this bushland was perfect for trail bike riding
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it was off the beaten path but the low scrubby vegetation was easy to navigate as the teen sped through an area called
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cherry tree creek along a bulldozed bush track that was almost one kilometer long
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they spotted something up ahead [Music] near the end of the dead-end track was a
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white two-door nissan patrol four-wheel drive with red markings on its side and the registration 371 adm
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it was parked facing the nearby highway which sat about 800 metres to the east both of its doors were open as was the
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rear window that hinged up above a metal door a small and skinny tree was caught
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underneath the vehicle it looked as though whoever had been driving had run off the track and
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into the bush the vehicle had run over a small tree before coming to a stop on another tree
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that had already been filled the teens approached the vehicle but suddenly stopped when they were within
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10 meters of it on the front passenger side they could see a woman's legs stretching out of the car her feet
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dangling just above the ground sitting in the driver's seat was the beaten and bloody
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body of another woman both were clearly dead the five teenagers lived in the area and
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knew about the disappearance of vicki arnold and to julianne lay realising they had
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likely stumbled across the two missing friends they hastily left the scene and contacted the police
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sergeant michael morrison was working at the police residence in the small town of herberton
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when he learned that a vehicle had been found with bodies inside he drove the six kilometers to cherry
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tree creek arriving shortly after 5 pm as soon as he spotted the nissan patrol he knew
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it was julianne lay's he slowly walked around to the car several times observing everything
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closely although the bodies of both women were badly decomposed sergeant morrison was certain they
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belonged to vicky and julianne it was obvious they'd suffered violent deaths julianne was in the driver's seat
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sitting firmly upright she was held in place by her seatbelt it looked as though she'd been beaten
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she had also been shot twice in her left temple and slightly lower down near the corner
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of her mouth on the left side of the car vicky who had a heavier build was squeezed into the front passenger
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foot well having been shot multiple times her back was against the dashboard and
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her legs were sticking out of the car with her bare feet almost touching the ground
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her head had fallen forward onto the front right corner of the passenger seat her left arm was also on the seat as
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were four scratch at lottery tickets and what looked to be the murder weapon a 22-caliber ruger self-loading rifle
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with a 10-shot magazine attached to it vicki's right hand was touching the firearm
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with three fingers curled around its grip and her index finger resting on the trigger
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sergeant morrison radioed for detectives to attend the scene it was somewhat surprising to find the
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women enter their car in this area cherry tree creek was located about 13 kilometers south of
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atherton tinaru lake where they were said to have been going was in the opposite direction
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sergeant morrison was soon joined by atherton officers detective sergeant michael hayes and
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senior constable willem hendrix by now knight was falling and it had started to rain
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district officer inspector francis wagner and detective senior sergeant neil campbell also drove over from the nearby
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town of mareeba it was their department's responsibility to supervise atherton's detectives
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the district scenes of crime officer was also summoned to take photographs and dust for prince
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he didn't check the vehicle's cabin but he did fingerprint the car's exterior and
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rear tray area no prints were found in those areas with the help of floodlights further
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details began to emerge there was a baby capsule fitted into the middle of the back seat
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two fishing rods and buckets filled with tackle and bait were found in the back of the nissen
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the blood-spattered car keys were in the ignition which was switched on the car's
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headlights and heater were also on the women had clearly been dead for some time
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maggots were found on their bodies as well as throughout the car both women were fully dressed vicky in a
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blackened gray jumper and a light yellow trousers julienne in a jumper a light shirt and a
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short pink and grey skirt these outfits seemed surprisingly light for two people
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heading out on a late night fishing trip in winter julianne was wearing thongs but vicky's
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white slip-on shoes were discovered behind the rear of the car they were lying about four meters apart
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from one another one by the track and the other near a creek bed where the property's owner had recently
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constructed a dam the dam was only a few inches deep and was very muddy not a place where people could go
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fishing although the only tyre prints visible in the immediate vicinity were from the nissan the rest of the
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track had marks left by various cars and motorcycles over time the car's interior was covered with
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blood as was the ground beneath vicki arnold's feet under the passenger seat was a
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grapefruit-sized rock which was covered in dried blood and hairs it had been used to beat julianne's face
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and hands during the attack police theorised that vicky had gone up the track to find
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the rock and had lost her shoes there in the process a blood-stained serrated knife with a
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wooden handle was lying under vicky's left thigh its blade was bent at a 45 degree angle
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it was later identified as matching a set of steak knives that the lay's owned the rifle used had been significantly
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cut down and a portion of the stock was also removed reducing it from its original size of
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almost 1 metre long to just 33 centimeters such modifications to a firearm were illegal
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tangled in the gun side of the rifle was some of julianne's dark hair a spent cartridge case was located near
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the firearm and there were two more in the back seat one month later another would be found
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by an officer who returned to the area near the spot where vicky's feet had rested
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this cartridge had markings on it that indicated the rifle had jammed during the shooting and had to be
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cleared before being fired again [Music] within an hour of arriving at the scene
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officers had come to a conclusion they were dealing with an open and shut case of a murder-suicide
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sergeant bernard wilkes was tasked with notifying julianne's family accompanied by the local priest he
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arrived at their home and braced himself to break the news as soon as julianne's sister vanessa saw
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the two men her gut instinct told her something was wrong allen ordered her and the other children
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to go to one of their bedrooms the five of them sat together in anitra's bedroom
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waiting after a little while allen joined them they found mum alan said before he could say another word
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eleven-year-old anitra blurted out well good where is she can we go and see her is
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she in the hospital no alan replied she's dead a wave of shark washed over vanessa
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this information was impossible to process then screaming reverberated throughout
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the room as the children absorbed what alan had told them and began crying out no and what repeatedly
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after the initial horror died down the kids remembered vicky kind aunt vicki whose calm and soothing
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presence had almost been a part of their family what about vicky was she okay no said allen vicky's dead too
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she killed your mother then she killed herself within a couple of hours the police had
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decided to take the women's bodies for autopsy when they attempted to remove julianne
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they discovered that her seatbelt had been looped around her neck twice apparently vicki had tried to
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strangle her with it once the seat belt was removed the police also saw that her throat had been
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cut three times as the car reeked with the stench of decomposing bodies the police decided to tow it to the
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smaller younger borough police station instead of atherton it was obvious to the pathologist that
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julianne endured a particularly brutal attack she'd been beaten strangled and cut
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before being shot twice in the head a closer examination of vicki arnold revealed
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she was shot once beneath her chin and again approximately four centimeters behind
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her right ear the shot to vicky's chin had shattered her jaw it would have been extremely painful but
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probably wouldn't have caused her to lose consciousness the wound to the back of her head likely
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killed her instantly a third gunshot wound was subsequently discovered in vicky's left
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thigh after both women's bodies were x-rayed the pathologist had completely missed it
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due to vicky's severe state of decomposition [Music] ammunition had already been found in
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vicky's flat during a search right after shea and julianne disappeared which came as a surprise to most of
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those who knew her as far as they were aware vicky had never shown any interest in guns but a
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few of her friends knew otherwise john wilkinson came forward explaining how vicky had asked him to buy a 22
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rifle for her boyfriend he didn't realize that this boyfriend didn't exist some of vicki's other friends were aware
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she'd bought a gun but she'd given them different stories she told a colleague that she'd bought
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it to hunt kangaroos and planned to join a gun club soon she explained to other friends that she
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wanted it for self-protection and just three days before she went missing vicki mentioned to some relatives that
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she'd purchased a rifle but decided to give it back to her friend to john so he could sell it
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police believed vicky had another motive all along she'd bought the rifle intending to use it against her best
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friend julianne before turning it on herself they theorized that the two women had
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been driving along when vicky suddenly attacked julianne cutting her throat this caused the julianne to veer into
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the small tree found beneath the car vicky started strangling her with her own seat
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belt and simultaneously reached into the back seat for her rifle in the tussle she accidentally shot
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herself in the leg julianne continued to fight back vicky got out of the car and picked up a
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large rock which she used to beat julianne then she shot julianne twice killing her
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finally ready to kill herself she first angled the rifle beneath her chin when this shot only wounded her
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vicky placed the gun at the back of her head and pulled the trigger when the rifle was recovered at the scene
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it had two cartridges stuck in its receiver one of these was a live round that was
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being fed into the rifle's chamber when the firearm jammed while the other had been in the process
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of being ejected photographs were taken of the weapon before police removed the stuck
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cartridges john wilkinson was adamant that the ruger hadn't been sawn off when he gave it to vicky
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investigators were left wondering had she modified it herself and if so where were the missing parts
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on august 23 two weeks after vicky and julianne's bodies were found vicki's neighbour
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pamela fox who lived in the same building as vicky received a call from their landlord
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the landlord had supplied a lawn mower to vicky before she disappeared and asked pamela if she could return it
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pamela agreed and went to vicky's carport which adjoined her own garage to fetch it
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the carport was almost entirely empty there was a wooden wardrobe a stepladder and an outdoor furniture set
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pamela easily spotted the lawnmower amongst these sparse belongings she immediately noticed that there was a
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white bag perched on top of the mower's left to rear wheel with some objects clearly inside
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pamela lifted it up it was a pillowcase and it was damp and heavy looking inside she spotted what looked
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like a hacksaw and the barrel and butt of a rifle she had found the missing pieces of
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vicky's rifle pamela reported the discovery to police who took the gun parts and pillowcase in
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as evidence [Music] when vicki arnold and julianne lay first went missing rumors began to circulate that the two
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had been secretly dating after their bodies were found and words spread that vicky killed julianne before taking
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her own life the gossip mill went into overdrive no one could understand why a woman
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would kill a friend unless they were romantically involved investigators immediately dismissed this
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theory as absurd there was no evidence pointing towards a romantic relationship between the pair
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instead they suspected vicky had been a sad and lonely woman who envied what julianne had a husband
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and kids so she'd killed her best friend in a violent fit of jealous rage life hadn't always been easy for vicki
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arnold born on october 3 1963 to parents of vada and richard arnold she'd been particularly close to her
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father but he died of cancer when she was 13. vicky was devastated by the loss for months afterwards she stayed in her
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bedroom as much as possible only leaving when her mother insisted she ate something
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vicky grew up in cairns and applied to join the military after leaving school but she needed to wear glasses most of
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the time and her poor eyesight led to her being rejected she began working at an accounting firm
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and in her early 20s she was offered the chance to manage the firm's new branch in atherton
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not long after settling in her new town she befriended sergeant bernard wilkes and his wife
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jane the trio grew so close that the wilkes even planned to build a new house with a
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separate self-contained unit for vicky they viewed vicky as a sweet and introverted young woman who felt awkward
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around strangers and longed to find true love although vicky was kind generous and
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successful in her career she was sometimes inclined to make up stories she told the couple she was battling
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kidney disease and also claimed she had a boyfriend who died neither of these things were true
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[Music] gradually sergeant wilkes began to notice vicky had romantic feelings for him
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he and jane suspected that her strong attachment to him and to them as a couple was simply due
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to her own desire for a husband and family when they began to find vicky's constant
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visits overwhelming they politely asked her to stop vicky was very hurt by this but did as
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she was asked staying away for several months they were later able to repair their friendship
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vicky's friendship with the lays had followed a similar pattern she spent lots of time at their home and
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eventually started showing interest in allen about a year before the women went missing
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julianne began to feel overwhelmed by vicky's constant presence and had asked her to stop visiting
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this led to an argument and the two stopped seeing each other but before long they made up and resumed
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the closeness they'd had before investigators obtained diaries that vicky had kept from her teenage years on
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she hadn't written in the muffin and the final entry was dated march 27 1991 four months before she died
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these journals were passed along to a human services officer from the queensland police service for further
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examination investigators also gave the officer some poems and notes vicky had jotted down as well
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as a true crime magazine titled murder casebook which alan lay had handed in after the women's bodies were found
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allen repeatedly visited the police station to check in on the investigation on one occasion he brought in this
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magazine explaining that vicky had borrowed it from him quite recently inside was an article about an
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apparent murder-suicide [Music] the human services officer scoured these materials
00:38:30
looking for possible insights into vicky's state of mind she concluded that vicky had suffered
00:38:37
from unsolved grief relating to her father's death this had caused her to become unstable
00:38:45
and increasingly suicidal [Music] the two women were both laid to rest on august
00:38:53
14 1991 a year after their deaths an inquest was held in atherton after examining police reports the
00:39:04
coroner came to the same conclusion as the investigators vicky arnold had been a disturbed woman
00:39:11
who murdered her best friend then took her own life with the perpetrator dead there was nothing else to be done it was
00:39:21
a tragic case but an open and shut one vicki arnold's family refused to believe the police's version of events
00:39:34
the vicky they knew was a gentle person with no history of aggression or violence
00:39:41
she might have been quiet and lonely at times but she certainly hadn't been depressed
00:39:46
or given any indication she was suicidal vicky had made a number of plans that indicated she expected to be around
00:39:56
in the days after she went missing she organised to meet her friends the wilkes's
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at 6 00 am on friday july 26 to help them complete their tax returns she'd withdrawn cash to pay john
00:40:12
wilkinson for the rifle he'd bought her vicky had also arranged to attend a training seminar in cairns with some
00:40:20
colleagues and had spoken excitedly about the impending event vicky had a little experience with
00:40:29
firearms it was possible she'd shot a rifle previously but she wouldn't have known how to
00:40:35
modify one like the weapon used in the crime and even if vicky had secretly been homicidal the attack
00:40:44
against the julianne had been so vicious there was no way she had the physical strength to carry it out
00:40:52
it also seemed strange that the ever responsible vicky would dress so lightly and leave the glasses she always wore
00:41:00
behind if she was going on a fishing trip julianne's outfit hadn't been consistent
00:41:07
with going night fishing either although alan lay said it wasn't unusual for the women to go fishing at night
00:41:16
most others who knew them disagreed with this julianne's sister vanessa stewart and
00:41:23
julianne's children remembered family fishing trips that lasted until dusk fell but couldn't recall the two women ever
00:41:32
going out fishing after it was already dark julianne's siblings and her kids struggled to comprehend the crime
00:41:42
vicki had loved them and their mum why would she hurt them this way it didn't make sense
00:41:51
even julianne's brother james who had only met vicki once was certain she was innocent
00:41:58
vicki had not seemed like someone capable of killing anyone she didn't have the temperament or the
00:42:04
physical strength required james had also noticed how strangely julianne's husband was behaving
00:42:13
alan lay was refusing to let his wife's family see her children and had entirely shut out his in-laws
00:42:23
alan lay was one of the few people who never had any hesitation in calling vicki guilty
00:42:31
he explained to his children how she was a deeply troubled person who never got over her father's death
00:42:39
she wanted the life julianne had and became enraged with the jealousy after the first inquest was complete the
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family members who disagreed with its findings became more outspoken they weren't satisfied with the answers
00:42:57
they'd received and campaigned for the investigation to be reopened prompting two more reviews over the next
00:43:05
three years the same conclusion was reached each time arnold had killed julianne lay
00:43:16
but there was at least one police officer who didn't think this was the truth senior constable willem hendrix had been
00:43:31
one of the first officers to attend the crime scene he'd arrived with detective sergeant
00:43:37
michael hayes after the first responding officer had radioed for backup as hendricks and hayes took in the
00:43:45
grizzly scene they felt a creeping sense that something wasn't right the other officers were already talking
00:43:53
about the crime as a murder-suicide but the victims and their injuries didn't match
00:43:59
that scenario neither hendricks nor hayes knew of another case where one woman killed another then herself
00:44:09
why would vicki arnold cut strangle beat and then shoot her best friend why would she shoot herself three
00:44:18
separate times in three different places and why were her shoes roughly 20 meters behind the car
00:44:28
although vicky's finger was on the rifle's trigger the pose felt staged and the position of
00:44:34
her body seemed unnatural for someone taking their own life plus the rear window of the car was open
00:44:43
as though someone had used it as an exit in hendricks's opinion it looked as though a third party had attacked both
00:44:52
women from the back seat of the car the scene was complex enough that hendricks and hayes thought it should be
00:45:00
looked at by homicide detectives from the state capital of brisbane as night had fallen and the weather was
00:45:08
bad they offered to light a fire and camp there overnight so the area could be preserved for
00:45:14
examination the following day but the district officer inspector frank wagner refused they were dealing with an
00:45:25
obvious murder-suicide and no overtime was necessary as far as wagner was concerned a
00:45:33
thorough investigation could be completed within one hour that same night julianne's nissan patrol
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was towed to younger borough police station where it was left out in the yard with a
00:45:48
tarpaulin draped over it officers wouldn't attempt to examine it until after the weekend
00:45:57
over the three nights that it was left outside condensation formed beneath the tarpaulin
00:46:03
washing away possible fingerprints and blood spatter formations inside the front of the car
00:46:12
shortly after the women were discovered a young man named shane feeney reported something to
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sergeant michael hayes he'd been driving through atherton on the evening of thursday july 25
00:46:26
1991 after visiting a friend who lived in the area shane was heading towards home and as he
00:46:34
approached a roundabout that was situated on atherton's main street he noticed a white nissan patrol with
00:46:40
red markings to his left shane recognized the car as belonging to julianne lay who he'd met once before at a barbecue
00:46:52
as the nissan pulled into the roundabout and drove past shane he saw that julianne was driving
00:46:59
and vicki arnold who he also knew was next to her in the passenger seat a third person also caught his eye
00:47:09
leaning forward from the back seat was the silhouette of a man shane couldn't make out who it was but
00:47:17
noticed how the silhouette stayed perfectly still shane couldn't be certain of the exact
00:47:26
time he'd seen the women but he thought it was around 9 00 or 9 30 10 30 at the latest if shane was correct
00:47:36
in his identifications he'd seen both women out with a man at least two hours before alan lay said they left
00:47:44
home to go fishing this not only placed a third person with them immediately before the crime
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00:48:00
story quietly then told him not to worry about it they knew they were dealing with a
00:48:08
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robert reed that he only did so to placate his superiors he was under enormous pressure to go
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along with the higher-ups who were insisting that the case was closed in private hayes didn't believe this
00:48:37
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00:48:46
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around the time of the first inquest a journalist named robert reed began looking into the case
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he was convinced that there was more to it than met the eye over time he built relationships with
00:56:16
the women's friends and family in 1994 robert broke a story that shocked queensland
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on the morning of august 14 1991 the day that both women were laid to rest two police officers paid a visit to
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atherton's funeral parlor they needed to obtain fingerprints from vicky and julianne
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as some smudged prince had been discovered on the 22 ruger without telling the families the
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officers took in a set of garden secateurs and a surgical scalpel removed the women's hands
00:56:54
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after a funeral parlor employee told robert reed about the incident it made headlines across the state
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public outrage ensued the women's bodies were subsequently exhumed and police returned to their hands to be
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buried with them public anger around the matter led to it becoming a political issue
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queensland's opposition police spokesman pledged to order yet another review if his party won the next state election
00:57:35
they did and the new investigation was announced in mid-1990 retired high-ranking officers carl
00:57:44
mengler and franco gorman were appointed to lead it and spent five months diligently examining every
00:57:51
aspect of the case while scrutinizing photographs of the crime scene they noticed an indentation in the
00:57:59
ground just outside the car's passenger side that matched the rock used to beat julianne
00:58:07
this must have been where the rock came from the original investigators had suggested
00:58:14
vicky wandered up the track in the dark to find a rock losing her shoes along the way
00:58:20
it quickly became clear to them how difficult it would have been for vicky's injuries to be self-inflicted
00:58:27
there was a bullet hole in the lower left side of the passenger seat that aligned with the wound in vicky's left
00:58:34
thigh the angle of this shot ruled out the possibility that she'd accidentally shot herself
00:58:40
during a tussle it indicated vicky had been shot by someone else who was in the back
00:58:46
of the car possibly as she was trying to get out and run away her shoes being found at some distance
00:58:54
behind the car suggested that an attacker had jumped out the back then chased vicky and grabbed her as she
00:59:00
attempted to flee the seat belt that was wrapped twice around to julianne's neck
00:59:07
was also consistent with someone trying to strangle her from behind the shots to vicky's thigh and the jaw
00:59:15
would have resulted in immense pain and confusion it seemed highly unlikely that after
00:59:21
receiving those wounds she could have then administered the fatal shot to the back of her head
00:59:27
an angle which would have been difficult to reach even without injury the fact of vicky was found in the
00:59:35
footwell instead of the passenger seat was another problem not only did it seem a bizarre choice
00:59:41
for her to make but vicky couldn't have logistically used the firearm from the footwell
00:59:48
such a maneuver would have been difficult and she lacked the physical strength to perform it
00:59:54
some partial bloody prince had been recovered from the rifle mengler and o'gorman held the rifle so
01:00:01
their hands would align with these prints and found the position awkward and unnatural
01:00:07
in their opinion the placement of the prince seemed more like staging than how someone would have held the gun
01:00:16
the position of the rifle on the passenger seat also seemed wrong the trajectory of the bullets
01:00:22
suggested it should have fallen out of the car after being fired one matter mengler and o'gorman couldn't
01:00:30
get to the bottom of was the issue of the jammed cartridges in the murder weapon
01:00:35
one was definitely a live round being loaded but it was unclear from the photographs
01:00:41
whether the cartridge being ejected was live or spam it looked as though it might have had a
01:00:46
firing mark on it which has led some to argue it was spent but firing marks can also be left on live
01:00:54
cartridges if both cartridges were live then there was no way vicki arnold could have
01:01:01
killed herself a third person must have attempted to reload the rifle after both women were fatally shot
01:01:11
contemporaneous police reports about this matter were conflicted detective sergeant hayes told the first
01:01:19
inquest that both rounds were live and was so tightly jammed that he had to use extreme force to remove them
01:01:27
when this inquest was later reviewed haye said he'd made a mistake and the cartridge being
01:01:33
ejected was spent some suspect he only made this amendment due to pressure from higher ups to stick to the
01:01:41
murder-suicide story although julian had been shot twice and vicki was shot three times
01:01:49
only four empty cartridges were ever recovered if one of the jammed cartridges was
01:01:55
spent then this would account for the fifth one yet police later went out with metal
01:02:02
detectors and performed grid searches in an attempt to find the final cartridge something they wouldn't have
01:02:09
needed to do if it was already accounted for photographs of the firearm also showed
01:02:16
the cartridge being ejected is facing the opposite direction that a spent cartridge would typically face
01:02:23
firearms experts have pointed out that if a breach jams with one life cartridge and one spent one experienced shooters
01:02:31
can usually tip the spent one out easily and reload the gun automatically a cartridge usually only becomes tightly
01:02:39
jammed when someone tries to manually eject it something vicky could not have done
01:02:45
because by this point she would have been dead on march 16 1998 carl mengele and franco gorman interviewed julianne
01:02:58
lay's half-sister vanessa stewart who had been 16 years old at the time of julianne's murder
01:03:07
vanessa and margaret julianne's other half-sister had been raised in the new south wales
01:03:13
city of lismore by their grandmother as their mother wasn't in a position to take care of them
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as their grandma grew older some family members suggested they move in with julianne for a while the girls agreed
01:03:29
first thirteen-year-old vanessa joined the lay residence followed by fifteen-year-old margaret a
01:03:35
little while later [Music] but after just three months of living with her sister
01:03:42
margaret abruptly left to go and live with her boyfriend but vanessa had loved living with her
01:03:49
half-sister for the first time she was part of a busy young family unit the youthful and vibrant julianne was
01:03:58
more like a mother than a sister but she also encouraged vanessa to speak up and share her opinions on things that
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mattered to her at regular family meetings that julianne initiated she wanted to hear what all of the
01:04:12
children were thinking and feeling she was a fun parent who took joy in family celebrations
01:04:19
played video games with the kids and to joined them in mud fights after heavy rain
01:04:26
vanessa also adored her nieces and nephew and was extremely close to them alan lay
01:04:33
became a kind of father though he could be domineering and controlling but everything abruptly changed in
01:04:42
february 1991 when vanessa was 15. one day while julianne was in hospital giving birth
01:04:51
to her youngest child vanessa was folding laundry in the master bedroom when alan
01:04:56
approached her and began caressing her neck [Music] though vanessa was a very naive and
01:05:03
inexperienced teenager she immediately realised that alan's touching was more intimate than
01:05:09
the affection of a father over the next few months alan continued to touch vanessa inappropriately
01:05:19
the grooming that began with him stroking her neck progressed to touching her entire body
01:05:25
and eventually having her perform oral sex on him alan kept trying to coerce vanessa to
01:05:33
have sex with him but she refused she felt sick dirty and ashamed when she went to
01:05:41
school she felt as though everyone there knew what was happening to her at home the shame of the sexual abuse
01:05:49
kept her quiet by july of 1991 alan was abusing vanessa multiple times a week [Music]
01:06:00
it wasn't the first time allen had done something like this after margaret moved in with the family
01:06:06
julianne noticed that alan seemed to pay her a lot of attention julianne confronted both of them and a
01:06:15
fight followed resulting in margaret leaving to live with her boyfriend allen vehemently denied any interest in
01:06:23
margaret but julianne still decided to leave him she and the kids found a place of their
01:06:29
own however she agreed to reconcile with allen a few weeks later in the months leading up to vicky and
01:06:40
julianne's disappearance vanessa noticed how critical alan was of the two women he accused julianne of being a poor
01:06:49
housewife and a bad mother he didn't like vicky and said the only reason he tolerated
01:06:56
her frequent visits was because she was useful and handled their business accounts
01:07:04
the morning before the two friends vanished julianne asked vanessa to stay home from school
01:07:11
vanessa was scared that her sister knew what was going on with alan and planned to speak with her about it
01:07:18
terrified that her sister would hate her if she knew about the abuse vanessa lied and said she had an
01:07:25
important exam that day that night when vicky and julianne were supposedly out fishing
01:07:33
allen went to vanessa's room and woke her up then had her perform oral sex vanessa had no idea what time it was but
01:07:44
alan told her it was around 12 30 or 1am he said he'd had to reset all the clocks
01:07:52
in the house after a circuit breaker tripped out shortly after vicky and julianne left to go fishing at
01:07:59
12 45 they spent a couple of hours together at most before vanessa went back to sleep
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vanessa worked the next morning to discover julianne was missing following her sister's disappearance
01:08:17
vanessa struggled with feelings of guilt she worried that the things alan had been doing to her had created a kind of
01:08:25
negative karma that caused the julienne to vanish allen ordered vanessa to tell no one
01:08:32
about what was going on between them if she did she would be judged and blamed for it
01:08:40
he also told her to tell police that she'd woken up by herself on the night of the women's disappearance
01:08:47
she was to say that she'd gotten up to use the bathroom and saw that some lights were on she'd
01:08:53
gone to check who was still up and wound up having a conversation with alan approximately four or five days before
01:09:04
julianne's body was found alan began raping vanessa he convinced her that they were in love
01:09:13
and they became a couple though they concealed this from the children allen expected vanessa to care for the
01:09:22
kids and perform all of the housework julianne had previously managed while still attending high school
01:09:30
this ended in mid-1992 immediately after the first inquest was over when alan moved to western australia to
01:09:39
be with another woman he initially tried to convince vanessa to join him telling her she'd have no further
01:09:47
contact with the kids if she stayed in queensland vanessa refused despite being devastated
01:09:54
by the separation from her nieces and nephew in the years that followed vanessa grappled with
01:10:06
many painful feelings over time the more she reflected on what had happened the more she became convinced
01:10:14
that alan had something to do with vicky and julianne's deaths and he had used her for an alibi on the
01:10:22
night of their disappearance the statement she gave to carl mengele and franco gorman
01:10:29
was the first time she'd told any police officers what alan had done to her although other members of the family had
01:10:37
told previous investigators there was something wrong with the way alan treated vanessa and margaret it had
01:10:44
never been looked into before one family friend who visited delays home to help out while julianne was
01:10:52
missing became concerned when she saw how physically close alan and vanessa seemed
01:10:59
occasionally the two of them went into allen and julianne's bedroom together they'd shut the door behind them and
01:11:07
stay in there for quite some time several times she also overheard alan say to vanessa
01:11:15
just keep your cool it will be all right everything will be all right another time julianne's daughter sandra
01:11:25
sue came home from school and couldn't find alan her mother was still missing and it was
01:11:31
a distressing time for the young girl allen's truck was out the front so she was sure he must be around
01:11:40
she began looking throughout the house for him when she walked into her parents bathroom sandra sue was shocked
01:11:48
to see alan and vanessa in the shower together she ran from the room crying vanessa followed to comfort her and alan
01:11:59
made up an excuse to explain what she'd seen mengler and o'gorman made a point to
01:12:07
interview alan on multiple occasions while he admitted to having had a sexual relationship with vanessa
01:12:15
he said it began spontaneously after julianne's body was found by that time vanessa was 16 years old
01:12:25
and over the age of concerned alan denied ever grooming vanessa or raping her [Music]
01:12:34
following their conversations with alan lay mengeler and o'gorman observed he is extremely well presented
01:12:43
well-dressed and well-spoken he is confident manipulative patronising and sword on both occasions to endear
01:12:51
himself to his interviewers he tends to avoid answering direct questions and seeks to skirt around seeking to
01:13:00
learn the extent of the knowledge of the investigators before answering at times he will claim no recollection
01:13:08
on simple issues when it's considered his memory should not have failed him what some people didn't know about alan
01:13:19
lay was that he had a criminal record under another name when alan was a child his father left
01:13:27
atherton for aberdeen scotland allen's mother remarried and when alan was 18 he adopted his
01:13:35
stepfather's surname of suta a couple of years later he began getting into trouble with the law
01:13:43
throughout 1983 and 1984 allen committed multiple break and enters on one occasion he hid in a camping
01:13:52
goods store until its employees had closed up for the day then stole a rifle and ammunition before
01:13:58
exiting via the front door another time he stole credit cards from a victim's home and used them to spend up big
01:14:08
he was arrested several times and once assaulted a police officer by pushing him over to escape
01:14:15
as he was being led to a cell ultimately allen spent two years in prison until he was paroled in 1986 at the age
01:14:24
of 23. he switched back to using his birth name and not long after his release he met
01:14:32
julianne allen maintained his criminal connections his closest friend was a cellmate he'd
01:14:40
met while incarcerated in conversations with vanessa allen bragged about his criminal history
01:14:48
and told her he knew how to carry out the perfect bank robbery because of allen's record he was barred
01:14:56
from owning guns investigators mengler and o'gorman also discovered that the lays had been
01:15:04
struggling financially when julianne disappeared some years earlier she and alan had
01:15:11
started a carpet laying business together vicki arnold had been their accountant
01:15:17
but by 1991 the business wasn't doing well and the lays were heavily in debt exactly one month before vicky and
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julianne disappeared the lay's bank threatened to foreclose on their home due to mr mortgage repayments
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allen and julianne were in such dire straits they agreed to sell allen's truck and
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julianne's nissan four-wheel drive the vehicle her body would later be found in four days before they disappeared vicky
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and julianne took julianne's nissan to a car yard in cairns to be valued after julianne's body was found alan lay
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received a life insurance payout of 121 thousand seven hundred and eighty five dollars
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he and julianne both had policies it had been her idea and they'd purchased them in february 1990
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a year and a half before julianne's murder allen also sued vicki arnold's estate
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for two hundred thousand dollars compensation her elderly mother vada was ultimately
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forced to pay alan lay 45 000 [Music] the subject of the murder weapon was another interesting factor for
01:16:42
investigators carl mengele and franco gorman no one who knew vicky could recall her
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expressing an interest in firearms and she'd given various explanations as to why she wanted a rifle
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the weapon had also been significantly cut down a modification that vicky didn't have
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the knowledge or physical strength to perform some people suspected her friend john
01:17:09
wilkinson who purchased the gun for vicky also cut it down for her but he firmly denied doing so and
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the job hadn't been done well enough to look like the work of a blacksmith such as himself
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vicky's next-door neighbor pamela foxx had discovered the parts in vicky's carport
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after going in there to fetch her landlord's lawnmower in 1998 pamela gave mengler and o'gorman
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a new statement about this incident that included some brand new details on the night of august 22 1991
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pamela went to bed at around 10 30. she'd been asleep for a few hours when she suddenly woke at 3 am
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she could hear a rattling sound from the direction of her lounge room instantly pamela suspected someone was
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trying to break in there was a door in her lounge that led to the external carport and it sounded as though someone
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was attempting to open it frightened pamela jumped out of bed and turned on the light
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then she carefully walked over to the lounge room window which was about 12 feet from her bedroom
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from one side she gently pulled back a corner of the lace curtain now she had a clear view of the front
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yard through the dark shadows of the night pamela saw something it was the figure of a grown man running
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away from her house he was of average heightened build and he looked to be wearing a dark
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shirt and trousers within seconds he was gone having raced off down the street although she'd only seen him briefly
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pamela couldn't shake the thought that he looked like alan lay the following day pamela found that the
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gun parts in vicky's carport around the same time pamela began receiving hang up
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phone calls she believed the caller was alan although pamela had a silent number
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she'd previously given it to julianne and knew she had it saved in the family phone
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kima believed allen was trying to intimidate her and it worked at the first inquest
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she hadn't mentioned anything about the running man she'd spotted outside her and vicki's property the night before
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the gun parts were found the pillowcase that the gun parts had been stashed in was damp
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and police officers failed to retrieve any fingerprints from it but scientific tests had revealed a name
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and address scribbled on it in faded ink it belonged to anitra one of julianne's
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daughters and listed a previous address where the lays had lived [Music] two of the original officers senior
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constable willem hendrix and detective sergeant michael hayes had been suspicious when the gun parts
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appeared right after they started asking questions about them their suspicions only grew when they
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learnt where the pillowcase came from years later investigators mengele and o'gorman
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were equally intrigued vicky's friend john wilkinson surely wouldn't have bothered to stash the parts in vicky's
01:20:53
carport if he'd been the one to cut the rifle down and he wouldn't have had access to linen
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owned by the lays [Music] a ballistics expert had determined the rifle had been held in a vice
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while a hacksaw was used to cut it down according to multiple witnesses alan lay
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kept the vice and several hacksaws in a cellar beneath his home and unlike vicky arnold allen was very
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competent with firearms just a few days before the women went missing he'd gone to vicky's aunt's home
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to deliver some carpet vicky and julianne went too as did vanessa and anitra while they were there
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vicky's aunt asked alan to test-fire a 22 rifle of hers the women stayed inside chatting while alan went out with the
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rifle and shot it repeatedly when they concluded their investigation of the case
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carl mengele and franco gorman put together a 188-page report in which they criticized police handling
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of the case the crime scene which they described as baffling and complex didn't fit with the early
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conclusion officers had reached they noted that significant evidence they'd uncovered
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hadn't been available during the original investigation and if there were another cranial
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inquest they believed it would likely result in an open finding a second inquest was ordered and began
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in april 1999 before brisbane coroner gary casey 24 witnesses gave evidence including
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vanessa stewart but neither menglar nor gorman were called upon on february 21 2000 mr casey's findings
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were delivered he agreed with the original inquest finding that vicki arnold murdered
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julianne lay then killed herself he didn't believe there was any evidence pointing to a
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third party's involvement nor did he think the original officers had jumped to a particular conclusion
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he failed to provide reasonings for most of his findings leaving crucial matters unexplained
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vicky's family were devastated mr casey had deemed her guilty again without even trying to explain what her
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motive could have been or why she would behave so wildly out of character after the second inquest vanessa stewart
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went out for dinner and drinks with her sister margaret as the two women chatted
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the conversation turned to alan lay suddenly margaret broke down and said it happened to me too
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when vanessa asked what she was talking about margaret replied alan in early 1990 fifteen-year-old margaret
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had visited julianne's home in atherton before deciding to join vanessa by moving there permanently
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allen offered to help out by driving margaret back to lismore to collect her possessions it was a long journey
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covering almost 2 000 kilometers each way on the way back the two of them broke up
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the trip by stopping at a hotel in the central queensland city of rockhampton early the next morning margaret awoke to
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a heavy weight on top of her it was alan he was raping her she froze in shock and as she described
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it went into survival mode this was her brother-in-law the man whose home she was moving into scared and
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panicked margaret closed her eyes and waited for the assault to end after it was over margaret never
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discussed the rape with alan nor did he bring it up margaret claims alan never raped her
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again but she only lived with him and julianne for a few months before julianne noticed how much
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attention alan seemed to pay her margaret soon escaped their household to live with her boyfriend
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whom she later married in the years that followed margaret and vanessa hadn't always been close
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[Music] when vanessa came forward to share her story with the police and the court
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system margaret grappled with feelings of guilt she wasn't ready to speak out about her
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own ordeal only after the second inquest did she finally tell her sister over the decades since the arnold lake
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case first made headlines journalist robert reed fought to keep it in the spotlight
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his interest had been peaked since the first inquest and he was sure there was more to the
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story than police were claiming in 1997 he published a book about the case titled third party to murder
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seven years later he wrote a sequel robert grew close to vicky and julianne's families as they lobbied for
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the case to be reopened as he made a name for himself as an expert on the case witnesses started coming forward with
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tip-offs in june 2005 former senior constable willem hendrix gave robert an exclusive interview exposing how his
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superiors had forced the murder-suicide align through laziness and a fear of going
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over budget the story was featured in the weekend australian and the cairns post
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newspapers and on television program 60 minutes vicky's mother vader arnold told the program how allen
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had sued her deceased daughter's estate demanding financial compensation for julianne's death when the
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interviewer asked did you think that was reasonable vita fell silent for several seconds
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then wordlessly shook her head she placed a hand over her mouth and began to cry
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vanessa stewart also appeared on 60 minutes telling her story to the public for the
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first time as well as detailing alan's abuse she revealed how he'd coached her into being
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his alibi for the night of her sister's murder the episode concluded with vanessa
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imploring alan to speak up and tell the truth and say what it is you know and stop hiding
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after the episode aired vanessa wrote a letter to the queensland attorney general and the minister for
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justice repeating her assertion that alan had used her to cover for himself vanessa's letter
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triggered yet another review that eventually resulted in a third inquest being called
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it began before state coroner mr michael barnes in november 2011 more than 20 years after the women's
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deaths the case's original investigators had always claimed that vicky must have been
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suicidal in order to test these assertions the coroner asked professor diego deleo
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a psychiatrist and expert in the study of suicidal behavior to go over all of the evidence
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professor deleo found nothing in vicky's history or writings to indicate she'd experienced suicidal ideation
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neither was there anything to suggest she had a mental illness such as depression
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or a personality disorder which might increase her risk of suicide her life had been stable and she had
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made plans for the future professor deleo went so far as to say quote there are elements in vicki
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arnold's history that could point to a lower risk of suicide than that of the general
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population only a tiny percentage of individuals who take their own lives commit murder as well of that percentage
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very few perpetrators are women professor deleo scoured all the available information about vicky and
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julianne's relationship there was nothing to suggest that they'd been romantically involved
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and even if they had been he could find to no cases in australia where a woman killed her same-sex
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partner before killing herself nor were there any cases of a woman killing a female friend and then herself
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after ruling out relationship issues financial difficulties psychiatric conditions and finding vicky
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had no history of aggression professor deleo concluded that a murder-suicide was highly improbable he also
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pointed out that the positions the women were found in were inconsistent with a murder-suicide
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noting if vicky had killed julianne she was not in a hurry to suicide thereafter
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she could have been sitting normally in the front seat of the car the most illogical position for a murder
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suicide or outside the car but not in the footwell of the vehicle i could not see any reason for doing so
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vanessa stewart testified in front of a silent courtroom that hung on her every word at one stage
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she held up a large photograph that had been published in the cairns post on july 30 1991
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four days after vicky and julianne went missing it showed alan lay sitting with baby
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kathleen on his lap and one arm wrapped around his son allen jr anitra sandra sue and vanessa
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huddled close around him vanessa stood directly behind allen dressed in a white t-shirt
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her eyes gazing off into the distance her young face was undoubtedly that of a child
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vanessa told the court i've been referred to as being somebody that's been having a relationship or an
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affair with alan lay and i brought that photo to show everybody to prove the point of how i was actually
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a victim of child abuse after she'd finished giving evidence about the abuse she'd endured
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and the circumstances surrounding her sister's murder she was applauded by the gallery
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her sister margaret also detailed how allen had raped her when she was 15 years old
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shane feeney spoke of how he'd seen julianne and vicki in julianne's car on the night they
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disappeared and how he'd seen the silhouette of a man in the back seat vicky's neighbour pamela shared how
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she'd found the gun parts in vicky's garage the day after she heard someone moving
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about in her carport and saw a man running away down the street when the barrister representing vicky's
01:33:27
family asked if pamela was frightened of anyone she answered yes when asked who she was
01:33:34
afraid of pamela refused to name them all she would say was sitting behind you the barrister inquired as to whether she
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was referring to alan lay who was seated behind him pamela simply replied yes alan sat listening
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as the entire courtroom turned to look at him his face was completely blank eventually he too was called to the
01:34:09
stand allen denied abusing vanessa and margaret and said he hadn't woken vanessa for oral sex on the night of his
01:34:18
wife's disappearance he stuck to the same story that he'd always told that vicky and julianne had decided to
01:34:27
go fishing that night despite the freezing cold weather their lack of proper clothing or a torch
01:34:34
and the fact that they'd left belongings behind that they usually took everywhere
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like vicky's glasses and julienne's cigarettes early investigator detective sergeant
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mick hayes had previously written a report detailing how alan had visited the station in the days after
01:34:54
his wife's body was found he brought a magazine titled murder casebook with him claiming
01:35:01
vicky had borrowed it from him not long before the crime inside was a feature article about the
01:35:09
white house farm murders in which five family members were murdered in essex england in 1985
01:35:17
police initially considered the case a murder-suicide it was later revealed that the only
01:35:24
surviving family member murdered everyone else then staged the scene to implicate his sister
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vanessa stewart remembered this magazine well it was part of a series that julianne
01:35:38
and alan subscribed to they often talked about the publication's crime stories which vanessa found horrifying
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despite this allen denied owning it and claimed he couldn't recall handing it in to the police
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when it was put to him that he had been inspired by the white house farm murders
01:36:01
and framed vicki for the double homicide he repeatedly replied no in making their final submissions the
01:36:15
two councils assisting were direct as they saw it there could only be two suspects in this crime
01:36:23
vicki arnold or alan lay the primary reason to suspect vicky was because she had purchased the rifle
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but what if she had done so for somebody else vicky had never given any indication she
01:36:40
was interested in firearms yet had been very specific about the model she needed
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claiming her boyfriend had told her that was the one he wanted it was posited that someone with a
01:36:54
criminal record asked vicky to buy the gun on their behalf someone like alan lay
01:37:02
that way he could get around illegal restrictions preventing him from purchasing a firearm
01:37:08
while also casting more suspicion on vicki it was pointed out that vicky had zero
01:37:15
motive for murdering her best friend on the other hand julianne might have discovered her husband was abusing her
01:37:24
sister as vanessa suspected when vicki visited julianne for lunch on the day they disappeared
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the two women had an intense and private conversation julianne's daughter sandra sue tried to
01:37:41
listen in on them but her mother sent her back to her room [Music] council assisting theorised that the
01:37:49
women had been discussing alan's abuse of vanessa then julianne had confronted allen that night
01:37:57
after all the children were in bed she may have threatened to report him to the police
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which would have resulted in him losing his business his home and being charged with child sexual
01:38:10
abuse due to his criminal history he'd likely be incarcerated while investigations were ongoing being
01:38:20
charged with child abuse would place a significant target on his back in prison but alan realized that if julianne were
01:38:29
dead he would not only be safe he'd receive a 120 000 life insurance payout using the threat of violence he ushered
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the women out of the house and into julianne's car then alan directed them to drive to
01:38:48
cherry tree creek an area he knew from four-wheel driving expeditions once they reached the location allen
01:38:57
murdered both women then staged the scene to frame vicky then he either made his way home on foot
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or on a bicycle that he'd stashed on the back of the vehicle at midday on march 1 2013
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state coroner mr michael barnes was ready to hand down his findings as he ran through each of his findings
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from the coroner's court in brisbane his words were broadcast live to the cairns courthouse
01:39:32
via video link where members of the women's families and their advocates were closely packed
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in everyone listened closely as mr barnes finally declared as the evidence stands
01:39:48
i consider a properly instructed jury could exclude beyond the reasonable doubt that ms arnold carried out the killings
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and determined that no one other than mr lay did accordingly i am obliged to commit mr lay to stand
01:40:06
trial the coroner also made a point to apologise for the botched investigations and previous
01:40:15
inquests stating those to suffer most acutely from these failures were the families of the dead women they
01:40:25
have my sincere condolences for their loss and my apologies for the way in which
01:40:30
the cranial system failed to adequately search for the truth vicky and julianne's families applauded
01:40:39
and cheered vader arnold vicki's mother sobbed with relief with the coroner issuing a pending
01:40:47
warrant for alan lay's arrest police urged him to come forward and hand himself in he did so but
01:40:56
was later granted bail as he was deemed a low flight risk allen subsequently lodged an appeal with
01:41:04
the supreme court of queensland requesting that the coroner's order that he stand trial
01:41:09
be set aside the court ultimately found in favour of alan lay ruling that mr barnes had used an
01:41:19
improper exercise of the law in committing alan to trial the director of public prosecution still
01:41:26
had the option of charging allen for the crime ultimately he decided against doing so
01:41:34
concluding that all of the evidence against alan was circumstantial authorities had no physical proof
01:41:41
definitively tying him to the crime and with that it seemed the exact truth would never be
01:41:50
known [Music] at around the same time as the third inquest was drawing to a close
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a 66 year old woman named hazel scarrat was reading robert reed's second book about the arnold
01:42:07
lay case hazel was a resident of the atherton tablelands region with a story to share
01:42:16
she tried passing it on to crimestoppers on numerous occasions but never heard back from them she
01:42:23
finally knew who might be interested in hearing what she had to say more than 20 years earlier in 1991
01:42:34
hazel and her husband jim ran a general store in younger borough a rural town 13 kilometers east of
01:42:41
atherton at around 7am one thursday morning in july hazel and jim were working at the store
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when two women walked in one had a heavier build was about five foot six and had hair with a slightly ginger
01:42:58
tinge the other was taller and thin with dark hair the women wanted to buy cream buns but
01:43:06
the baker who delivered them was running late the two women said they were happy to
01:43:12
wait they'd been out all night fishing at lake tenure so a few more minutes wouldn't make any
01:43:19
difference [Music] the dark-haired woman mentioned how she often went night fishing while her
01:43:25
husband looked after the kids he was happy for her to do so as long as she got home in time to see the kids off
01:43:32
to school while the women waited they purchased some scratch at lottery tickets hazel thought they both seemed pleasant
01:43:43
enough they were accompanied by a man who was less friendly hazel's husband knew him and called to
01:43:52
him by name at which point the man grew very irritable he tried to hurry the women out of the
01:43:59
shop one of them mentioned she had an early appointment she needed to get to anyway
01:44:06
in his haste to leave the man basically pushed the women out the three of them walked to a compact
01:44:15
four-wheel drive that looked to hazel to be a nissan and the darkhead woman got in the driver's seat
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in the weeks that followed hazel learned how vicky arnold and julianne lay had disappeared nearby
01:44:30
and were later found dead upon seeing photos of the women she believed that they were the two customers she'd
01:44:39
served in the general store but the man she'd seen them with hadn't been alan lay his name was chris dunlee
01:44:54
chris don lee was notorious in the atherton tablelands region police throughout the area knew him as a
01:45:02
criminal involved in large-scale cannabis cultivation but he also made a habit of stealing
01:45:08
money into crops from other growers cruel vicious and violent he was suspected in several
01:45:15
drug-related murders but investigators never had enough evidence to charge him he also sexually assaulted numerous
01:45:24
women throughout the region one person who spoke to journalist robert reed on condition of anonymity
01:45:32
said he was an absolute psycho and wherever we saw him in a pub or wherever we'd go the other way you never knew
01:45:41
with chris just what he'd do next and you didn't want to be around when he did it
01:45:49
bill scarratt had recognized him because bill had hired dunlee to deliver milk in
01:45:54
the town of ravens ho 60 kilometers south of younger borough dunley died in 1994 several years after
01:46:04
the women were murdered when two associates shot and killed him over the years bill and hazel tried to
01:46:12
report having seen dunlee with vicky and julianne but got nowhere after reading robert reed's second book
01:46:21
about the case hazel decided to sit down and write robert an email when robert opened hazel's email he was
01:46:31
stunned to read her account it wasn't the first time that a tipster had contacted him to
01:46:38
share information about chris dunlee in 1997 one of the men convicted of killing
01:46:46
dunleigh reached out to robert with his own story [Music] gregory dejong and his friend rodney
01:46:54
bouchard were part of the same illegal underworld as dunlee and they were terrified of him
01:47:01
dunlee had threatened to shoot them both along with dejong's partner and children and he said he'd framed dejong
01:47:09
for the murders just like he'd done with the two women in atherton dunley told dejong that vicky arnold and
01:47:19
julianne lay had been in the wrong place at the wrong time so he killed them both and then his
01:47:26
mates put it down as murder-suicide mates was what dunlee called the police the location where the women were found
01:47:38
was in an area known for its cannabis crops so it didn't seem implausible that dunlee
01:47:44
would know the spot dejong took dunley's threat seriously and decided to strike first
01:47:55
he and bouchard lay in weight outside the isolated farmhouse where dunlee was staying
01:48:01
then shot him when he emerged to turn off a generator both men were convicted for the
01:48:08
execution-style killing gregory dejong later wrote to robert reed to pass on what dunlee had told him
01:48:17
dejong knew what type of man dunlee was and wholeheartedly believed he'd murdered vicky and julianne
01:48:25
he claimed he was only coming forward because he wanted their families to have peace of mind
01:48:32
[Music] after receiving the email from hazel roberts spoke to her and bill extensively about their
01:48:41
encounter he found them both credible and believable they were initially adamant that the
01:48:48
three people entered their store on a thursday morning even though that didn't fit with the
01:48:54
timeline of the women going missing in the early hours of friday july 26 on reflection hazel changed her mind
01:49:03
and said it had been a friday morning she later provided investigators with a sworn statement to that effect
01:49:14
as chris dunley had died decades earlier investigators were unable to pursue the
01:49:20
matter further it's uncertain whether or not the women seen with chris dunlee were vicki and julianne
01:49:29
one thing that makes robert suspect they were is the fact that no other women have
01:49:34
ever come forward to identify themselves as having been with dunlea that morning
01:49:41
robert is certain that dunlee committed the murders at alan lay's bidding he's examined the
01:49:47
timeline extensively and doesn't think allen himself could have gotten to the murder site
01:49:53
then home again where he cleaned up before waking vanessa robert publicised the chris dunley
01:50:01
theory in his third book about the case titled the search after its publication more people came
01:50:09
forward to tell robert they agreed chris was exactly the type of person to commit such a crime
01:50:18
if dunlee was involved julianne's brother james and sister vanessa agreed that alan lay would have commissioned him to
01:50:27
carry out the crime but no connections have been found between the pair and vanessa has difficulty believing
01:50:35
alan would trust a stranger with such a dangerous task he was a control freak and once told
01:50:42
vanessa that the only friend he trusted was his prison cellmate she could see alan collaborating with
01:50:50
him but no one else a scenario vanessa and james have considered involves alan's prison cellmate helping
01:51:00
him plan the murders but being unable to participate directly due to being on parole at the time
01:51:09
perhaps the cellmate knew dunlee through his criminal connections and commissioned him to do the job
01:51:15
instead the large insurance payout alan received for julianne's death has never been fully accounted for
01:51:24
allen didn't use it to pay the mortgage and those who were close to him insist that he was always broke perhaps
01:51:32
the majority of the cash went to dunley in exchange for committing the murders but vanessa can also believe that alan
01:51:43
murdered both women on his own and used her as an alibi he may have deliberately tripped the
01:51:50
home's electricity so the clocks weren't set and vanessa wouldn't know what time it
01:51:55
was when he woke her perhaps it was hours later than he told her it was and he had time beforehand to drive both
01:52:05
women out to cherry tree creek kill them return home and have a shower if shane feeney's
01:52:13
sighting was accurate the women were out of the house at least two hours before alan claimed
01:52:22
regardless of who pulled the trigger vanessa has no doubt that alan was behind vicki and julianne's murders she
01:52:31
believes he planned the crime weeks in advance right down to sweet talking vicky
01:52:37
into buying the rifle that would ultimately end her own life and that of her best friend
01:52:50
in july 2018 alan lay took his own life in the northern territory city of alice springs he was 55 years old
01:53:01
those who knew him were left stunned robert reed told case file he never expected alan would do such a thing
01:53:11
in his opinion alan was too self-obsessed and killing himself created an atmosphere of guilt
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that he'd always denied kathleen allen's youngest child with the julianne received a suicide note from her father
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in which she apologized for having been absent over the years but denied having anything to do with
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the julianne's murder almost one year later vicki arnold's mother vaidar died at the age of 93.
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she had always been one of the biggest advocates for reopening the case alongside her sister and niece who
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helped her every step of the way journalist and author robert reed had grown very close to vida over the years
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and visited her shortly before she passed in a previous conversation vida had told
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robert how devastating it was to not only lose her daughter but have her accused of the most
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terrible crime possible she remarked i've hardly had a full night's sleep in all those years
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just thinking and crying about it vicky couldn't have done such a thing i'm her mother
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and i should know throughout the making of this episode julianne's sister vanessa stewart
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spoke at length to case file she described the ongoing and layered effects of the
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trauma she's endured as a victim of child sexual abuse vanessa struggled with shame and guilt this guilt was later
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intensified by many factors vanessa blamed herself for the case dragging on without resolve
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because she'd helped alan lie about the night of the murder she also felt guilty for previously
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blaming vicky who had always been a loving presence in her life in describing how she felt upon
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realizing alan could be the one who really killed her sister vanessa said i had to deal with the
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concept of has this man gone out and murdered my sister and murdered vicky and then come home and put his murdering
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hands upon me that was a pretty hard moment trying to deal with that as vanessa worked to process her
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experiences she started writing everything down as a kind of therapy now she's working on a book telling her
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story and what she knows about the case one day she hopes to publish it these days vanessa's guilt has been
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replaced by regret she's upset that when the story of alan's abuse broke the media initially portrayed her as a
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seductive teenager who preyed on an older man and had an affair she's disturbed by how abuse and
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grooming are still so commonly misunderstood and she's angry at how the police handled the case
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from the very beginning vanessa believes that she has found evidence proving vicky's innocence that was in police
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possession since the two women first went missing she says that if investigators had done their job
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properly she julianne's children and both families could have avoided decades of additional
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trauma quote what was the consideration for us kids had the police been investigating a
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double murder instead of trying to prove a murder-suicide that would have come out about the
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sexual abuse that i was under all these things that came out over years and years later
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bit by bit by bit would have all been known right from the early days and how much
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trauma could have been prevented how much trauma could have been saved for us all
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