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please see the show notes for this episode on your app or on our website at 6:36 a.m. on May 22 1994 police
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negotiator detective Wayne Gordon dialed through to the telephone located inside the home of
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Ivan Milat the early morning call stirred Ivan from his sleep and when he picked up detective Gordon introduced
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himself and advised Ivan that his cinnabar Street property was surrounded by heavily armed officers enacting a
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search warrant in relation to an armed robbery ivan was instructed to wegg's at the house via the front door turned left
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and to then walk through the front gate with his arms raised dumbfounded Ivan responded okey dokey just let me
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put me pants on five minutes ticked by but there was no sign of Ivan detective Borden called the house once more and
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Ivan's partner chillin derp answered before handing the receiver over to her boyfriend when asked why he hadn't
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followed orders Ivan expressed his disbelief about the entire situation certain the negotiator was one of his
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workmates playing a prank detective Gordon responded no mate on from the police it's no joke
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this is real still unsure Ivan queried why didn't you knock on the bloody door or something
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Gordon informed him that it was standard police procedure to first make a call to
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ensure the safety of all concerned Ivan chuckled still in disbelief and to told the negotiator he couldn't see
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anybody outside his window Gordon once again ordered him to walk outside and to turn left at the gate but
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this command only amplified Ivan's doubt as he didn't have a gate on his property
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nevertheless he announced alright I'll play your little game but I'm not real keen on this officers
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covering being a perimeter of the premises radioed through to their command post advising they could hear
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movement inside the garage including what sounded like a car door opening and closing they expressed
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concern that Ivan was planning an escape by 648 a.m. their suspect still hadn't emerged from the house so detective
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Gordon phoned for a third time Celinda answered again saying we are coming out now he's just trying to find
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his keys he always loses to them in the morning a few minutes later Ivan Milat walked
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out of the house with his hands up [Music] [Music] ivenn complied with orders to get on the
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ground as two heavily armed police officers placed him in handcuffs cylinder exited the premises soon after
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and was escorted to a waiting police car detectives showed ivan a copy of their search warrant informing him that they
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were making inquiries in relation to the 1990 armed robbery of english backpacker
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paul onions adding that they would also be asking questions in relation to the seven murdered backpackers discovered in
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Belanger Lowe State Forest Ivan responded I don't know what you're talking about
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superintendent cliff small was overseeing the raid from the police command post once Ivan's house was
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cleared and it was confirmed that no one else was inside he gave the go-ahead for
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officers to proceed with the next step Ivan was lifted to his feet and taken inside his home to give detectives an
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impromptu tour and explained the purpose of each room he was then left in a living room under
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the dutiful watch of two detectives his other officers initiated a full-scale search of the property
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police were equipped with a list of over 100 items to be on the lookout for ranging from weapons and ammunition to
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the various items of clothing jewelry and camping equipment the seven Allegro victims were in possession of at the
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time of their disappearance as the search of Ivan's bedroom commenced police discovered a driver's license
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displaying Ivan's photograph alongside his brother Michael's name and personal information there was also a postcard
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written to Ivan dated just days after the disappearance of British backpackers Joann Walters and Caroline Clark that
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began with the words hi Bill the false name he had given to Paul onions an envelope in his bedside drawer contained
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foreign currency including New Zealand Dollars and Indonesian Rupiah with print dates that didn't coincide with the time
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live and was known to be living outside of Australia German backpacker Simone Schmidt all had returned from a trip to
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New Zealand just before her disappearance and two German couple Gabor Naga Bella and Danny a hub she'd
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had travelled to Australia via Indonesia Ivan denied owning any firearms or keeping any on his property yet a large
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array of ammunition was discovered throughout his house a cupboard in Ivan's bedroom contained two tins during
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38 22 caliber bullets and an unused 12-gauge shotgun cartridge similarly four boxes of really brand 22 caliber
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cartridges were uncovered in a spare bedroom featuring the same batch number as those recovered from the area array
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location in Belen glow near where the remains of gabor Naga Bella and Dania had she'd were found
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all of the 22 caliber ammunition found in Ivan's home was suited for use with the Ruger and dan short's rifles fired
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by the Berlanga low serial killer a plastic bag carried 32 and 45 caliber Winchester ammunition the latter of
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which had a copper Tibbs matching the bullets Paul Onion cited in his attackers revolver the bag also
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contained a spent 22 Winchester cartridge with a unique upward indentation a marking caused by a known
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firing pin Fault in Ruger rifles manufactured between 1964 and to 1982 the exact same indentation was present
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on cartridges recovered from two of the Belanger low crime scenes Ivan's bedroom
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drawer also held a receipt for a pump-action shotgun purchased from a gun shop in the Western Sydney suburb of
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Horsley Park during a search of the laundry an officer's attention was drawn to the washing machine where he noticed
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the substantial gap between the base of the appliance and the floor underneath he got down on the floor and discovered
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a thirty-two browning pistol which appeared to have been split under the washing machine in a hurry
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subsequent inquiries would reveal the pistol had been stolen during a break-in at the office of the roads and traffic
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authority near Campbell town in August 1977 a cupboard in Ivan's hallway contained a pair of his work boots one
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of which had a Ruger Ross will receive are stuffed inside the receiver is the frame of the firearm that houses the
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internal components such as the firing mechanism into the bowl in addition there was a map of the
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southern highlands region including the Berlanga low state forest plus maps of Newcastle and the Wollongong when asked
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if he had ever been to Berlanga low Ivan claimed to have only ever bypassed the forest down a dirt track during the mid
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80s in response to whether he owned a Ruger firearm Ivan said I've told you before I don't own any weapons the group
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of attending police officers conducted the most thorough search possible ensuring nothing in the house went
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untouched by the time they were through numerous items of interest had been recovered
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including a foot long bowie knife three magazines about shooting a homemade silencer multiple rolls of black
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electrical tape cable ties telescopic sights a camouflage colored paintball mask and a police radio scanner with
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Ivan Milat name engraved on it the electrical tape and cable ties matched to those used to construct a leash
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restraint device that had been found at one billing Guillou crime scene police also found an Olympus brand trip s model
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35 millimeter camera which was only available for sale in the United Kingdom and matched to the camera around by
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English backpacker Caroline Clark stuffed inside a garbage bag in Ivan's sister Shirley's bedroom
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police found a green and purple salawa brand sleeping bag identified as belonging to German backpacker Simone
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Schmidt all in addition to the sleeping bag a mark your brand's cooking satin cups found in the kitchen pantry were
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confirmed to be the same type carried by Simone as was a carrying pouch and green
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water bottle found in a cardboard box the search of the garage revealed more items of camping equipment similar to
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those owned by Simone including a multicolored Arno strap and a blue Soleil was sleeping bag cover the cover
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contained a green Vout a brand Hogan model tan tied with a compactor mat band the same as the one found tied around
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Simone's head upon the discovery of her remains the second green and beige sleeping bag was identified as the one
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Australian backpacker Deborah Everest had borrowed from her brother before her trip to Sydney in 1989 police also found
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a striped green pillow case with five lengths of sash cord inside one of which appeared to be stained with blood a red
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holden jackaroo four-wheel drive was parked in Ivan's garage though he claimed he hadn't owned a car for the
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past six years and that the vehicle belonged to one of his brothers inside the vehicle was a British 20 pence coin
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with a print date of 1989 perhaps the most bizarre of all was a sticker on the back of the vehicle which promoted a
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crime prevention service Crimestoppers with its motto reading put the finger on crime a manhole was used to access the
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roof cavity of Ivan's home where police found some Christmas decorations and other boxes containing miscellaneous
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items but upon removing some sheets of insulation that were able to peer down into the wall cavities where they
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spotted a plastic bag resting behind the living-room wall a stick was used to try
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to reach the bag but in doing so it caused something to dislodge and fall further down into the space a hole was
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cut through the wall to retrieve the item which was revealed to be a 10 shot Ruger rifle magazine
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inside the plastic bag itself police found two parts of a 22 caliber Ruger rifle a trigger assembly and a breech
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bolt assembly when presented to Ivan he denied ever seeing the firearm parts before saying that nobody had ever been
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in the ceiling space except for quote you blokes and to the builders Ivan Milat was taken to Campbelltown police
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station for further questioning where it became apparent to interviewing detectives that their suspect was
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intentionally playing dumb Ivan claimed to be hard-of-hearing and that he didn't understand their
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questions when asked to corroborate the record of conversation that took place between himself and the detectives
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during the raid Ivan refused saying we never had a conversation he claimed not to know where any of the camping
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equipment found in his house came from suggesting police may have planted the items there in relation to the Blanco
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murders Ivan said I don't know anything about them I haven't got a clue as superintendent small observed at the
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interview from another room he got the impression Ivan was enjoying himself and he knew exactly what was going on
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appearing confident he would soon be going home according to the book fate by Neil Mercer a former colleague of Ivan's
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explained quote Ivan said to me once if you ever get into trouble I'll give you a solicitor that can get you off a
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murder rap this bloke is the best you just have to deny it if you're prepared to take a hiding just the Neue because
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they have to come up with the proof just flatly denying and during facility' john
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marston following Ivan's arrest his sister Shirley did exactly that contacting the lawyer who had hoped her
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brother get off his rape and armed robbery charges back in the 70s John Marsden arrived at the police
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station soon after and informed his client not to speak a word while the raids were taking place at Ivan's
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property police simultaneously closed in on several other members of the Millat family they arrived to the small rural
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southern highlands township of hilltop located 40 kilometres north of Berlin glow to conduct a raid of the property
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belonging to wyverns brother 42 year-old Walter Millar better known as Wally the
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split-level briquette dwelling was surrounded by scrub and featured a secure underground workshop more than 40
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boxes of evidence were collected from Wally's residence including a paintball gun engraved with the initials I am and
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the blue-colored High Sierra branded a pack matching the one carried by Simone Schmitt all this was in addition to
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Simone's larger backpack which had been handed to police the day prior by Alex Millar and his wife Joan a total of 24
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weapons were seized including an insurance 22 caliber rifle modified to fit a silencer numerous other firearms
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two machetes two bayonets and a hunting knife a quarter ton of ammunition found on site included six boxes of Winchester
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brand winner model 22 caliber bullets ten to twelve boxes of really brand ammunition that featured the same batch
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numbers as the discarded boxes of ammo recovered at Belanger Lowe's area raid crime scene the bulk of the insured's
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rifle and several other firearms and packets of ammunition were found inside a yellow haversack marked with Ivan's
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name in addition 500 grams of marijuana was also uncovered resulting in Wally mullet
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being charged with firearm and drug offenses police also descended on the property of
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38 year old richard the Millat brother who allegedly told co-workers that there were more bodies in the forest including
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those of German citizens prior to the discovery of Simone Gabor and Dania Richard also lived in the southern
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highlands town of hilltop just the one kilometer away from Wally residing on a one and a half acre rural property which
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contained two caravans with an adjoining annex two aluminium sheds and two vehicles as the search commenced
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including a dig of the surrounding dense bush land Richard was asked about the contents of two wooden cupboard stored
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in his garden shed he said they hold a nothing of interest just some electrical equipment and a
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nuts-and-bolts police instead found a large amount of camping equipment including a blue and lilac therapy brand
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sleeping bag a blue and orange ultimate brand sleeping bag and decorum at brand sleeping mat matching items belonging to
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Joanne Walters and Caroline Clark in addition a blue three person tent was found that featured a small hole with
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makeshift repairs in exactly the same location as the one that had been given to the British backpackers by their
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travelling companion Steve Wright a red hair brush with the word England on it was found in his vehicle identified as
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similar to one Caroline took with her when she departed for Australia when asked who all these items belonged to
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Richard replied I don't know numerous weapons and firearms were also recovered as well as a driver's license
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featuring Richards image but issued under a false name and the length of blue and yellow rope similar to that
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bound in bowling hello Nika born okay Bella and Dania have shades remains police also found marijuana on the
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property subsequently charging Richard with firearm and drug offenses according to Richard and Wally they came to be in
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possession of some of the firearms and ammunition seized from their properties in March 1994 when Ivan enlisted their
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help to store the items elsewhere out of concern that quote the police might come
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in to investigate Ivan also stated their sister Shirley was upset about the items
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being kept on their property and wanted them gone Richard and Wally agreed storing the items in an alcove at
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Wally's house Margaret the Millat family's 76 year old matriarch still lived at the
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weatherboard house in Guildford where Ivan Richard and another of her sons David had lived during the time period
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the Berlanga lone murders had occurred despite her ailing health Margaret remained is fiercely protective
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and defensive over her son's as ever refusing to assist police in the search of her property
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inside the garage police found a yellow shirt sold exclusively in the New Zealand city of Christchurch by fashion
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retailer Holland's diamond brothers that matched one of four purchased by Simone
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Schmidt all during her travels there also found was the next brand shirt the match to an English backpacker Paul
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onions claimed to have left behind in Ivan's vehicle following his failed abduction in addition Iraq torn from a
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man's shirt for similarities to the strips of material that had been used the Gurkha Joanne Walters a metal Locker
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inside the house was padlocked shut and Margaret refused to hand over their key police forced it open and found it
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contained several firearms including a 22 caliber Slazenger Hornet rifle with Ivan's name engraved into it and two
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Canadian $5 bills elsewhere inside the house they also seized the sword and several photographs they believed could
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be of assistance to the investigation raids were also undertaken at the Bargo residents of Ivan's brother bill and his
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wife Carolyn where to firearms belonging to their son and some books about murder
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and cannibalism were seized des Caravan the couple were holidaying in that Lake to bury was also searched as authorities
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suspect that the pair may have taken some of the backpackers camping property on the trip yet they found nothing
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deemed of key importance to the belong Glo investigation on May 23 the day after the raids police conducted a
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second formal interview with Bill and Carolyn during which bill produced a photo album with the Easter 1992 written
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on the front the album contained images of a MLAT family trip which they claimed
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took place during the time period that Joann Walters and Caroline Clark went missing one photo showed Ivan alongside
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the vehicle he owned at the time a silver Nissan Patrol four-wheel drive according to bill and Carolyn the photos
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proved Ivan was away with the family when the two young women were murdered however it was obvious to the
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interviewing detectives that Easter 1992 was not the original date displayed on the album it appeared as though the
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initial date had been crossed out with the newer one written in its place when asked if they were attempting to create
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a false alibi for Ivan Carolyn insisted she had made the change a long time ago explaining I wrote it
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wrong when doing the album if I wanted to make up an alibi I would have done a much better job of it who was during
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further inspections of the album that police realized Carolyn had overlooked one crucial detail the date that each
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photo had been taken was written on the backside of each image flipping over the
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photo of Ivan with his missing patrol revealed someone had sprawled the words Mac struck 1991 Mac being one of Ivan's
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nicknames the vehicle had a bull bar on the front and what appeared to be white williams wolfsie covers just like the
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car used in the attack on paul onions another photo album recovered from Ivan's eagle-vail home contained more
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images of his missing patrol along with photos of the accused killer as he posed
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on an armchair wearing a cowboy style her armed with a Winchester rifle in another photo Ivan's girlfriend chillin
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da stood in front of the ocean wearing a white long-sleeved shirt with the brand
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name Benetton printed across the front which was an item of clothing that had belonged to English backpacker Caroline
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Clarke a search warrant of Chile endures home was issued but the shirt was not recovered furthermore a photo taken from
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Wally mullets house dated March 29 1991 showed ivan carrying a green and beige sleeping bag identified as the one
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previously carried by australian backpacker deborah reference who went missing just over a year before the
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photo was captured that same day Ivan Milat appeared in the Campbeltown local court for the first time where he sat
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motionless as the formal charges against him were detailed for the attack on Paulo onions he was charged with armed
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robbery kidnapping and using a revolver with intent to commit an indictable offense not entering a plea he was
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represented by Jim Marsden the brother of his long-standing lawyer John Marsden who was unable to appear in court that
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day as he now held a position on the New South Wales police board and was attending a police Association
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conference Jim Marsden asserted that his client was a good candidate for bail as
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he had a solid work record had resided in the same property with his sister for the past 15 months and had maintained a
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clean criminal record over the past 20 years Marsden justified Ivan's decision to flee the country following his 1971
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criminal charges for rape and armed robbery by explaining that at the time his client was a young man frightened by
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the prospect of facing trials for crimes he didn't commit citing the serious nature of Ivan's most
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recent offences the strength of the prosecution case and the possibility that Ivan may riaf and the magistrate
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refused his request for bail outside the court the gathering crowd shouted abuse
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insults and death threats at Ivan as he was driven off the Long Bay jail where he would be held until his next
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scheduled court appearance 8 days later in order to lay charges for the seven backpacker murders task force area
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investigators had just over one week to examine all of the items recovered from the various mallet properties to
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determine what exactly could be directly linked to the Berlanga low victims and crime scenes if they failed to gather
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today [Music] the various Ruger rifle parts discovered in Ivan Milat home presented Task Force
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Air with the best opportunity to strengthen their case against him in particular the breech bolt assembly had
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the potential to leave a unique mark on spent cartridge cases akin to a fingerprint
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therefore it was paramount to determine if Ivan's breech bolt assembly produced the same markings found on the cartridge
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cases recovered from the Belanger low crime scenes ballistics expert Gerard Dutton inserted Ivan's breech bolt
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assembly into a Ruger rifle obtained from the ballistics firearms library he then fired 10 Winchester cartridges
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before examining the markings left behind on the casings in an interview with true crime television series crimes
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that shook the world Dutton said I felt all the hairs on the back of my neck stand up on end it was quite an
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extraordinary sensation those individual marks which I was so familiar with on the Caroline Clarke murder case I was
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now seeing on my testified cases I was quite happy that component that we recovered from the war cavity of melek
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taus was fitted to the murder gun that was used to kill Caroline Clarke the markings produced by Dutton's test
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also match to those on the cartridges recovered from Belanger Lowe's area a crime scene nikka bought new gerberas
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remains the batch number on a Winchester brand ammunition box recovered from area
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array was traceable from factory floor to store shelves and was determined to have been supplied to 55 gun shops
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throughout Australia in 1988 prior to the Blanco murders one of those stores was located in the western Sydney suburb
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of Horsley Park the significance of the Horsley Parks door was highlighted after
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a receipt for the purchase of a pump-action shotgun was found during the raid of Ivan's home in fact ivan was
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found to be a regular customer having bought several firearms from the store using a fake license issued under the
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name norman chong the serial number on the rifle receiver found in Ivan's work boot was also traced to the Horsley park
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store which came to be in possession of the Ruger rifle after its original owner
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pawned it to the shop in 1988 there was no record of the gun having been sold to
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wife and thereafter an error for which the store owners would later be fined however Ivan did visit the shop using
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his fake license just days before the Ruger was traded in there ballistic tests were also carried out
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using DN shoots rifle owned by Ivan that was found on his brother Wally's property analysis determined that this
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exact gun was used to shoot the Ely brand cartridges found at area a concluding that both the Ruger Indian
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shoots rifles belonging to Ivan Milat were discharged in Belanger with Ivan in custody for the attack on
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Paulo onions police were given strict instructions not to mention a word to the press about
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the Blanco murders in order to avoid any media attention jeopardizing their efforts in building their case on May 29
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just two days before Ivan's second scheduled court appearance Superintendent Clive small opened to the
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Sunday Herald newspaper to find a story which began a lone investigation by a young detective has led police to
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believe the palanga low forest the backpacker murders could be linked to a rape case more than 20 years ago the
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problematic article went on the detail the investigation into Ivan Milat for the backpacker murders but with many
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incorrect specifics in particular despite the large dedicated team working under superintendent small the Sunday
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Herald article inaccurately credited Ivan's capture to the solitary work conducted by Detective Senior Constable
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Paul Gordon a member of Task Force Air who had been investigating Ivan since he had been handed the file on the Millat
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brothers small was convinced there was detective Paul Gordon who leaked the story to the press after initially
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denying the accusation Gordon eventually admitted he received a phone call from the journalist but claimed he simply
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verified some facts about his history within the police force while he refused to comment about the Malad investigation
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when the reporter suggested he had single-handedly cracked the case Gordon responded I was just lucky as
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outlined in his book inside Australia's biggest manhunt superintendent small had
00:36:16
been wary about some of Gordon's investigative work prior to publication of the article including the detectives
00:36:23
initial failure to look beyond they computerized the records of the Millea brothers criminal backgrounds something
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that small considered a basic error small was also critical of Gordon's indiscreet and overzealous questioning
00:36:37
of Ivan's workmates which may have tipped their suspect to the fact he was being investigated for the
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Angulo killings small explained quote I was furious the article posed the significant risk to the investigation
00:36:53
its account of Gordon's role was both completely untrue and a betrayal of the team effort behind the arrest and a
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contravened my explicit instructions about not talking to the media after all our efforts to convince the media that
00:37:08
everyone would be treated equally and no one would get the jump on their rivals The Herald story risked starting a
00:37:15
free-for-all scramble for scoops as a result of the lake detective Senior Constable Paul Gordon was removed from
00:37:23
task force ere the publicity put the task force in an awkward position and small was convinced that gave them no
00:37:31
choice but to charge Ivan Milat for all seven of the blank alone murders when he
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appeared in court two days later on May 31 1994 a clean-cut smartly dressed Ivan
00:37:45
Millar sat expressionless in the Campbeltown local court as senior Crown prosecutor and Lloyd publicly disclosed
00:37:52
for the first time the details of the violent crimes committed against the seven belanger victims Lloyd proceeded
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to outline the evidence that had so far been gathered against Ivan before formally charging him with the murders
00:38:06
of 19 year olds James Gibson and a Deborah Everest 20 year old Simone SH middle and Dania have she 21 year olds
00:38:15
Gabor Nagi Bella and Caroline Clark and 22 year-old Joanne Walters outside court
00:38:22
Ivan's lawyer John Marsden told the gathering media that the allegations against his client were based on nothing
00:38:29
more than circumstantial innuendos quote my client denies the serious allegations
00:38:37
that have been made against him in court today I do not intend in any way to minimize the serious and horrific nature
00:38:43
of the allegations against him however in fairness to my client who has stated quite categorically that he is not
00:38:51
guilty of the allegations and who has not been proved guilty the media should allow Michael
00:38:56
a fair trial news that Ivan had been charged for the bengal o serial killings came as a shock to those who knew him
00:39:05
with many refusing to believe he could be responsible for such brutal crimes former employers and co-workers
00:39:13
described to the accused killer as a model worker who was reliable honest and hardworking a foreman next-door neighbor
00:39:22
labeled him as the perfect neighbor who had always been friendly and courteous offering to lend a hand by helping fix
00:39:28
their cars or learning his lawnmower Alex mullet believed his younger brother was innocent insisting there had been a
00:39:35
miscarriage of justice quote I know you might think that because he's my brother
00:39:41
I would defend him but I'll tell you right now that if I thought he was guilty I'd shoot the bastard Ivan's
00:39:50
girlfriend sherlynda also refused to accept the charges saying I think the police are covering something up I have
00:39:59
no idea what Ivan is a very calm person not violent and he doesn't lose his temper and he's not a fool I mean if he
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were the person he wouldn't leave incriminating stuff lying around he would never strike a woman let alone
00:40:16
rape and murder he has a great respect for women this I know Ivan is more likely to walk away than have an
00:40:26
argument then there are those things that are hard to explain the things you just know about a person this is the
00:40:34
worst crime imaginable I'd rather be dead than be connected to someone who would commit this a week after Ivan was
00:40:44
charged his image appeared on the cover of celebrity news & entertainment magazine who weekly accompanied by the
00:40:51
headline backpacker serial killings be accused the five page article included an
00:40:58
overview of the murders he was accused of committing along with information about the Millat family recognizing the
00:41:06
magazine story hindered Ivan's chance of receiving a fair trial the New South Wales attorney-general immediately
00:41:13
charged who weeklies publisher Time Inc with contempt of court winning a supreme
00:41:18
court injunction preventing further sales of the magazine unless the photos of the accused were covered with
00:41:24
irremovable stickers the court found who weekly guilty with the magazine receiving a one hundred thousand dollar
00:41:32
fine entered senator receiving a ten thousand dollar fine investigators and the prosecution had
00:41:41
until Ivan Milat committal hearing scheduled for the end of the year to produce enough evidence to argue that
00:41:47
the murder case should proceed to trial according to the book sins of the brother by Mark Whitacre and the less
00:41:54
Kennedy preliminary forensic testing of over 100 items of evidence seized by police from the various melodies
00:42:01
including tents sleeping bags clothing rope a green water bottle a sharpening stone blankets sheets and a sword
00:42:11
revealed possible traces of blood but none of the items returned a match for human blood except one a one and a half
00:42:21
meter length of such cord recovered from a pillowcase found in Ivan's garage the
00:42:28
bloodstains were tested against the DNA samples taken from the parents of all the Berlanga victims using what's known
00:42:35
as a reverse paternity test forensic examiners concluded that the blood on the sash cord was 792 thousand times
00:42:43
more likely to come from a child of Caroline Clark's parents than from any other parents in the general population
00:42:51
when the bodies of Joanne Walters and Caroline Clark were discovered investigators found traces of bodily
00:42:59
fluids they believed may have come from the pair's killer swabs were taken from the victims remains and given to a
00:43:06
forensic scientist who was new to the method of testing employees at the time given he's inexperienced he produced
00:43:14
different results at the conclusion of HN Alice's when revisited after Ivan's arrest the DNA samples appeared to have
00:43:22
been severely damaged by his use of chemicals and equipment and unfortunately more experienced forensic
00:43:29
experts were unable to reverse the error therefore the source of the foreign DNA
00:43:35
could not be attributed to any individual as part of the forensic examination process the green water
00:43:44
bottle found at Ivan's property believed to belong to Simone Schmitt all was put
00:43:48
under infrared lighting to determine for certain whether something had been scratched off its bottom there clear as
00:43:56
day was the German backpackers nickname Simmi given the personal items belonging
00:44:05
to the deceased the backpackers that had been discovered at properties belonging
00:44:09
to various members of the Millat family police were not discounting the theories
00:44:14
previously put forward by criminal profilers the more than one perpetrator may have been involved in the crimes
00:44:20
however they had yet to uncover any concrete evidence to suggest anyone other than Ivan was responsible the
00:44:29
publicity centered on Ivan prompted a close friend of his brother David to come forward to police to report a
00:44:35
suspicious incident that allegedly occurred over the Easter long weekend in 1992 when Joann Walters and Caroline
00:44:43
Clark went missing the witness Philip Paul glaze claimed he was asleep on the couch at the melot's family property in
00:44:51
Guildford when he was awoken by Ivan and Richard Muller who both lived at the house at the time the two brothers were
00:44:59
allegedly carrying guns a blood-stained knife a machete backpacks and passports Richard II jokingly said the blood was
00:45:09
human before allegedly remarking Ivan could cut your head off with one blow I've seen him do it Ivan allegedly
00:45:18
responded Richard can't stab anyone he has to shoot them Philip told authorities that during the time period
00:45:27
of the seven Belenko murders occurred David mallet told him that his family was worried Ivan was up to his old
00:45:34
tricks when Philip asked if this meant robbery David allegedly responded no worse and
00:45:43
we think he's taking a brother with him as detailed in the book sins of the brother by les Kennedy and Mark Whitacre
00:45:54
Philip appalled Glazer's allegations prompted a judge to give approval for a covert listening device to be installed
00:46:00
inside Richard Mille a caravan at Hilltop Richard's behavior indicated he may have already suspected he was under
00:46:08
police surveillance only meeting with friends outdoors and making phone calls from public pay phones consequently the
00:46:17
device failed to capture anything of interest during subsequent police interviews Philip Paul Glaser's
00:46:24
statements changed significantly as he suffered from short-term memory loss as a result of a previous car accident in
00:46:33
an attempt to verify if there was any validity to his claims police obtained a warrant that allowed them to covertly
00:46:39
record a conversation between Philip and Richard a meeting was arranged for the pair at the crossroads hotel in Casula
00:46:48
police officers were on standby in a van parked outside the premises where they listened in on the recording little of
00:46:56
the conversation between Philip and Richard made sense as the latter appeared to be under the influence of
00:47:02
alcohol during their meeting Philip had brought up the night where Ivan allegedly returns to the Guildford home
00:47:09
with a bloody knife but Richard told him to keep his mouth shut about that Phillipa voiced concerns that he could
00:47:18
be considered an accessory after the fact the Richard reassured that there was nothing to worry about as police
00:47:24
would arrest him before they ever went after Phillip Phillip asked when he should say to the police if he was
00:47:31
questioned about the passports in the backpack so Ivan allegedly showed him that night to which Richard responded
00:47:38
just say nothing just tell them I've seen nothing absolutely nothing you ask are you arresting me officer and when he
00:47:50
says no just tell him to [ __ ] off in regards to the camping gear belonging to Joanne Walters and Caroline Clarke
00:48:00
police seized from his property Richard explained he had obtained the equipment from quote all over the place
00:48:07
and had stolen some of the items whilst in the city he then rambled about serial killers not
00:48:14
stopping unless they get caught quote where are we gonna stop only when we get caught you're not gonna stop two years
00:48:24
before we're not gonna stop because we think the police will be hot on our tail once you get that sort of [ __ ] thing
00:48:31
in you I figure it's just like having a beer when are you gonna stop when the pub closes or do we buy takeaway to take
00:48:40
home in case we're thirsty when Richard remarked that Philip was asking the same
00:48:47
questions as police the informer sensed his cover was at risk of being blown to seem less conspicuous fill up quickly
00:48:55
remarked [ __ ] me dead maybe I should have been a [ __ ] copper as the conversation dragged on Phillipa
00:49:04
mentioned his disbelief that one person could be responsible for all the Berlanga low killings to which Richard
00:49:10
replied that's what we're worried about one of these [ __ ] big German [ __ ] he's supposed to be about six foot four
00:49:18
and 1819 stone here he is with a broken jaw broken arm broken [ __ ] back what one bloke could do all this to him and
00:49:29
if he can do that to him how come some skinny [ __ ] pommy backpacker get away from him
00:49:37
this comment immediately stood out to the police officers listening in on the discussion as Paul Onion's physical
00:49:44
stature enter the full extent of Gabor knowing about his injuries had not yet been released to the public
00:49:52
Richards remarks were compelling but were not enough to warrant his arrest and to the undercover sting came to an
00:49:59
unsatisfying conclusion following the failed sting Richard Muller told France who was convinced
00:50:07
Philip pol glaze was working with the police an assertion that compelled the informer to go into hiding then just
00:50:15
before Philip could testify at Ivan Milat committal hearing he was involved in a fatal car accident that claimed his
00:50:21
life when Richard heard at the Samba news he offered and no sympathy On June 28 a visibly agitated Ivan
00:50:34
reappeared in the Campbeltown local court where he surprised to those in attendance by sacking his long-standing
00:50:40
lawyer john marston the man who had helped him evade serious rape and armed robbery charges in the 70s Marsden
00:50:48
believed the decision was based on him encouraging Ivan to plead guilty to the bungalow murders on the grounds of
00:50:54
insanity allowing them to argue for diminished responsibility other members of the Millat family stated his
00:51:02
dismissal was Judah Wathan stronger life that Marsden was in cahoots with the police
00:51:08
despite the magistrates request that he reconsidered this decision Ivan declared he would be representing
00:51:14
himself that day instead he criticized the media for the way they were covering the case and continued to declare his
00:51:22
innocence arguing that he was being framed and the police were quote making it up
00:51:28
as they go along many high-profile barristers came forward willing to take Marsten's place and to represent Ivan
00:51:36
wanting to take advantage of the immense exposure in what was set to become one of the most high-profile and publicized
00:51:43
criminal trials in Australian legal history the mallets felt lawyers from New South
00:51:49
Wales maybe too close to the police and therefore were deemed to them untrustworthy leading Ivan to hire
00:51:56
Queensland based solicitor Andrew bow Ivan appeared with his new solicitor at Campbelltown local court on July 5 where
00:52:05
he was remanded in custody until his next court appearance meanwhile his ex-wife Karen was placed in witness
00:52:13
protection amidst concerns for her safety John Marsden continued to represent other members of the Millat
00:52:20
family including Richard and Wally Miller on August 20 the pair appeared at Campbelltown local court under Martins
00:52:28
representation to face charges against them Richard pled guilty to possession of five prohibited weapons unlawful
00:52:36
possession of a driver's licence and possession of cannabis while he pled guilty to illegal possession of firearms
00:52:44
cultivating two cannabis plants and possession of cannabis both men were sentenced to a good behavior bond and
00:52:52
issued with a monetary fine plus court costs on October 24 1994 five months after his
00:53:02
arrest Ivan Milat committal hearing commenced the Campbeltown local court to determine whether there was enough
00:53:08
evidence for the backpacker murder case to proceed to trial Ivan maintained a relaxed and calm
00:53:15
demeanor as Crown prosecutor and Lloyd outlined the case against him but his opening arguments were cut short when
00:53:22
the court was forced to evacuate due to a bomb threat which was later determined
00:53:27
to be a hoax as the committal hearing continued a full summary of all the available evidence implicating Ivan the
00:53:35
LAT was detailed when the backpack belonging to Simone Schmitt all was presented with the initials I am written
00:53:42
on the inside flap Ivan yard from across the room accusing the police of writing
00:53:47
the initials themselves this assertion was contradicted when Ivan's sister-in-law Joan testified that the
00:53:55
initials were already on the backpack when he gave it to her in in 1992 over 200 witnesses were called
00:54:04
before the court including Steve Wright the British backpacker who swapped tents
00:54:09
with Joanne Walters and Caroline Clarke other former travel companions and family members of the deceased
00:54:16
backpackers were also called they were able to formally identify the items recovered from the Millat properties as
00:54:23
those belonging to their loved ones Englishman Paul Onion's made an appearance to provide details about his
00:54:30
attempted kidnapping at the time he was only referred to as witness a due to a suppression or would have granted to
00:54:38
protect his identity Ivan's ex-wife Karen also took the stand describing her former husband as a strong man who
00:54:46
lifted weights every night of the week she testified that Ivan took her to Belen Guillou State Forest to numerous
00:54:53
times over the course of their 12-year relationship and to the during one visit he shot a kangaroo before proceeding to
00:55:01
kick it and slit its throat prior to their divorce being finalized in 1989 Karen said that the only camping
00:55:10
equipment Ivan owned was an orange and green tent Karen confirmed Ivan owned several
00:55:16
firearms including a rifle and a revolver quote Ivan was gun crazy with these firearms he would shoot at
00:55:25
anything he could find there was a target on a tree cans anything he could see when showing the pistol that was
00:55:34
found under Ivan's washing machine Karen confirmed it belonged to her ex-husband and that he kept it wrapped
00:55:41
in a sock under the front seat of his car loaded at all times in Ivan's defense his legal thing
00:55:50
presented reported sightings of some of the backpackers after the dates they were allegedly last seen alive in one
00:55:58
sighting a witness claimed the tour picked up two British backpackers named the Joe and Caroline on the southern
00:56:04
outskirts of Sydney between April 21 and April 23 1992 this was five days after Joanne Walters and Caroline Clark
00:56:14
departed Sydney to hitchhike along the Hume Highway a time frame in which Ivan Milat was confirmed to have been at work
00:56:22
however the prosecution had already disproven all reported sightings of the seven backpackers beyond their
00:56:29
disappearance dates and the defense council declined the magistrates offer to call any witnesses to the stand to
00:56:36
try and prove otherwise the defense also attempted to cast doubt over whether Ivan was them a lot rather responsible
00:56:44
for the crimes they highlighted that Richard mullet also fit the description of poor lanyons attacker in 1990 as he
00:56:52
sported a distinct tumor fuse doll mustache at the time alluding to the cigarette butts found at Joanne Walters
00:57:00
and Caroline Clark's crime scene Richard was a heavy smoker unlike Ivan who had quit the habit 11 years prior in
00:57:08
1991 Richard mullet was put on the stand and questioned about the tent sleeping bag and hairbrush found on his property
00:57:17
that had belonged to Joe Ian and Caroline but he denied knowing anything about the items or how they came to be
00:57:24
in his possession superintendent Clive small was the final witness to take the stand at the
00:57:31
committal hearing he emphasized that Ivan not only fit the physical description and personal background of
00:57:37
poor lanyons attacker but also drove the same vehicle used by the assailant under
00:57:44
cross-examination from Ivan's defense team the superintendent agreed that other members of the Millat family also fit
00:57:51
the perpetrators description to varying degrees but concluded I don't believe any other member owned a silver
00:57:59
four-wheel drive with a white top and a red stripe down the side seven weeks after it began the committal hearing
00:58:09
came to an end on December 12 with the court satisfied enough evidence was presented for Ivan Milat
00:58:15
to stand trial for the seven bolongo murders the trial was set to commence in the New South Wales Supreme Court the
00:58:23
following year the alleged killer showed a no emotion as he was led out of the courtroom
00:58:29
his lawyer andrew bo fronted the media to express concern that the extensive coverage of the committal hearing would
00:58:37
make it difficult for his client to receive a fair trial as it would be near impossible to find an impartial jury and
00:58:44
roubo quote I think this case will be a test for how this community entered the criminal justice system in Australia
00:58:52
deals with such a public airing of allegations at committal prior to Ivan Milat trial renovations were undertaken at the
00:59:02
New South Wales Supreme Court building to ensure the amenities were more accommodating for the prospective jurors
00:59:08
during proceedings which were expected to last upwards of six months the walkway between the souls and the
00:59:15
courthouse would also be covered to prevent camera crews from capturing the daily journey of the accused the trial
00:59:23
was initially scheduled to begin on June 26 1995 but disputes amongst Ivan's legal team regarding finances delayed
00:59:32
the commencement date given the trial was expected to run for a considerable length of time and deal with complex
00:59:40
legal issues Ivan's legal team felt the fees being offered to them by legal aid were insufficient Ivan refused to work
00:59:48
with any other solicitors demanding legal aid pay his team an above-average rate the Commission refused determining
00:59:56
they would only pay the initial base rate and Ivan would have to cover any additional costs at his own expense
01:00:04
after a lengthy appeals process which delayed the trial for nine months three appellate judges unanimously deemed
01:00:11
Ivan's request to be unacceptable effectively leaving the defendant with no legal representation unless he was
01:00:18
willing to contribute the difference in cost with no other Avenue of Appeal Ivan's legal team eventually accepted
01:00:26
the initial lower offer with the trial scheduled to commence in March 1996 speculation continued to run rife as the
01:00:37
whether Ivan Milat acted alone prior to his capture various criminal profilers had indicated at their belief that the
01:00:46
killer had an accomplice with several theorizing the crimes may have been committed by brothers
01:00:52
FBI agents and some task force air investigators were less convinced based on the fact Paul onions was targeted by
01:01:01
a single perpetrator and that known serial killers rarely deviate from their established demo they were certain that
01:01:08
I have enacted alone dr. Peter bradhurst the forensic pathologist from the New South Wales
01:01:15
Institute of Forensic Medicine who had conducted the post-mortems of all seven bolongo victims join to the group of
01:01:22
people to suggest two killers may be involved during the final days of Ivan Milat committal hearing dr. Brad Hurst
01:01:31
testified in court that for one person to be responsible for all seven murders the killer would have had to
01:01:38
incapacitate one of the victims before dealing with the other when asked whether his forensic expertise could
01:01:45
determine whether more than one killer was involved dr. Brad Hirst responded with each of
01:01:52
the pairs of backpackers that were killed there appears to be two different patterns of injury with Caroline Clark
01:01:59
and Joanne Walters Caroline Clark had predominant injuries of gunshot wounds to the head and only one stab wound
01:02:07
being a parent with Joanne Walters she had a multiple stab wounds similarly with Gabor no Guevara and
01:02:15
Dania have she'd gabor no Guevara had a gunshot wounds to the head evidence of strangulation and gagging whereas Aniyah
01:02:23
have she'd had been decapitated further with James Gibson and a Debra Everest there were two different patterns of
01:02:32
injuries I would attend to think it more likely that more than one person was involved
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