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for all [Music] listeners in late 2016 a user going by the name of Jason in hell logged on to
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redddit ranked one of the 20 most popular websites in the world reded is a social news and discussion site that
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features over 3 million forums dedicated to a wide variety of topics called subreddits
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Jason in hell clicked on a subreddit titled relationship advice since its Creation in June 2009
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the subreddit has amassed 6 million members with a community that boasts whether it's romance friendship family
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co-workers or basic human interaction we're here to help Predators use the Forum to post
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about their real life relationship issues with other users offering their guidance and support in the
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comments posts vary from small sometimes comical misunderstandings to more serious
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situations one user vents about his partner who thinks she is a cat in a human's body another questions how they
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can move past the jealousy they feel towards their successful sibling others Express Devastation or
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relief over a breakup heavy subjects are sometimes broached and commenters emboldened by
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anonymity often adopt a tough love approach when providing advice in some cases the original poster
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will return to the subreddit to provide an update as to whether or not the advice they received from the community
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was successful Jason inel published a post on relationship advice titled I'm having
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a hard time coping with my wife having cheated on me with our neighbor he specified that he was 30 years old
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but as was standard practice on the Forum he didn't disclose any personal identifiers or the names of anyone else
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involved Jason in hell explained I caught my wife cheating on me over a year ago I stayed with her for
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the sake of our children but I haven't been able to get it off my mind since [Music]
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[Music] [Music] [Music] Jason in hell revealed that his plight had unraveled 476 days prior to posting
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about on RIT he knew the exact number of days because every time he caught himself thinking about his wife's
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infidelity he would tell himself it's only been X number of days maybe you won't think about it
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tomorrow Jason's Story began in May 2015 he had just started a new more demanding project at work that had him
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putting in upwards of 60 hours a week during this stressful time Jason noticed that his 29-year-old wife had
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added a password to her mobile phone he questioned her about it and she explained she was planning a Father's
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Day present for him and didn't want to ruin the surprise about a week later Jason's wife
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said she was feeling guilty for keeping a secret from him she revealed that she had hired
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their neighbor a 51-year-old contractor to build Jason a home office it struck Jason as odd that his wife
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felt guilty as they'd been together for six years and she'd never once said she felt guilty about
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anything as time went on things didn't feel right Jason's wife began using her password protected phone more often
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sometimes smiling to herself while doing so when Jason asked what she was doing she'd respond nothing then quickly put
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her phone away one morning after Jason's wife got in the shower he managed to grab her phone
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before it autol locked and required the password to access he scanned her messages and
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discovered she had sent a text to their contractor neighbor that read I am all covered in frosting you
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want to lick it off there were no other messages between them which Jason later Learned was
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because his wife had set up her phone to delete m messages after a certain amount
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of time while the text made Jason uncomfortable he was aware that his wife had a quote perverted sense of humor and
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was convinced she wouldn't actually do anything to hurt him their neighbor began spending more
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and more time at Jason's house but the construction of the home office was taking longer and
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longer unable to Shak his paranoia Jason began checking his wife's location via her mobile phone's inbuilt GPS that when
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active kept a detailed record of every place the device had gone he noticed there were large gaps in
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her GPS history because she kept turning off the function in July Jason gained access to
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his wife's phone under the pretense that he needed to download antivirus software
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onto it instead he downloaded anti- theft software which allowed him to remotely turn on the phone's GPS while
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also reading all its scent and received text messages from his computer the next day Jason monitored
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his wife's phone from his computer at work she messaged their neighbor asking to meet up but he couldn't as he was
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busy at another job side that night Jason his wife and their two children went out for dinner dinner
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with the neighbor his girlfriend and his son the two women had a good time drinking laughing and joking
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around after dinner Jason offered to look after the kids so that the two women could go see a movie
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together they headed off while Jason his neighbor and their children went back to
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Jason's house the kids gathered around to play video games as Jason and his neighbor
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sat on ad Jason couches Jason inconspicuously kept an eye on his wife's mobile phone
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activity she began texting the neighbor about the sex acts she wanted to perform
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with him she then sent him an explicit photo of herself in a bathroom stall they continued to message back and
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forth trying to figure out when they could meet up to have sex they settled on Monday morning after
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Jason went to work work Jason was barely able to keep his composure as he spied on their
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interactions in real time while his neighbor sat across from him none the wiser when the pair texted that they
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loved each other Jason was suddenly overcome with the urge to leap off the couch and knock the other man out but he
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managed to contain his emotions you're my girl now his neighbor texted his wife always have been his wife
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replied then she received the final text from him always will be when the two women returned from the
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movie Jason asked them politely to sit down he then sent the children into his son's room and shut the
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door so you two love each other huh he asked his wife went into what Jason described as full-blown denial
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mode Jason's wife denied that she had been texting their neighbor when Jason showed her the text
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messages from that night she buckled admitting that she did send them but it was the first time their interactions
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had gone that far Jason then asked his wife if she had sent the man pictures she said no so Jason showed her
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the explicit picture she took of herself in the bathroom store once again his wife backtracked
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and accepted responsibility though insisted it was the first photo she'd ever sent Jason outright asked his wife if
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she was having sex with the neighbor she said no and Jason couldn't prove otherwise to Jason's surprise his
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neighbor's girlfriend appeared more forgiving saying that the fling couldn't have been serious if their Partners
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hadn't had sex she went on to say that Jason and his wife were too perfect together to
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let the affair break them up she and the neighbor soon left Jason told his wife that he was
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leaving her which prompted her to threaten that he would never see their kids again Jason wrote on
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Reddit she planned on using the fact that I had attempted suicide in high school to prove me unfit to have the
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children his wife then blamed him for her infidelity saying it was his fault for being so busy and stressed out with
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work she had just wanted someone she could talk to she then gave Jason an ultimatum
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decide what he was going to do next or she would decide for him the couple spent the night arguing
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and wound up in separate beds with nothing resolved the fight continued over the
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weekend until they ultimately decided to separate temporarily while they figured
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out what they wanted Jason was going to stay at the family home while his wife took their
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kids to her mother's place that Monday Jason was in a work meeting when he received a text from his
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wife saying she had explain the situation to their kids they were upset and she wanted
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Jason to talk to them when he returned home both of the children were crying his wife had told them that mommy
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had to move out because Dad was mad at her their son wanted to live with Jason but Jason's wife said that he
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couldn't the boy had interpreted this to mean that Jason must have been mad at him
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too Jason realized that his wife was going to quote drag the kids through hell if he left instead he bottled up
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his feelings and begged her to stay she agreed but insisted that he apologized to their neighbor for the
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sake of their sons who were good friends although Jason hated the idea he did it anyway as they would inevitably
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continue to cross paths he would do anything for his kids even acting civil in such distressing
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and emotionally crippling circumstances after this things seemingly settled down but Jason was
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constantly plagued by thoughts of his wife's infidelity I worry how can I keep from
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making her so unhappy that she cheats on me again he wrote on Reddit then a year after the original
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incident Jason discovered that his wife had sent the neighbor lwd photos of herself
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again she claimed it was an accident and that she had intended to send them to Jason although he didn't believe her he
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moved on Jason concluded his Reddit post by writing that things had been quiet on
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that front for about 4 months but he continued to think about it all the time this is going to sound stupid he wrote
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but I feel like I have a part of my brain that can't shut off that is always thinking I used to use that to solve
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programming problems and it made me very good at my job but ever since this incident the only thing it thinks about
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is her and him and if I did the right thing my job performance has suffered and I feel like I haven't gotten sleep
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in months I'm afraid that after this much time and fact that I begged her back that to say that I want a divorce
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now would only make her more vindictive towards my children and I I just feel like I have to put myself
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so deep in a hole that I can never get back out I haven't really talk to anyone about this I tried talking to one friend
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about it but his advice was to put my trust in God that was not much Solace for me as I
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am an atheist so I have no no clue what to do with my feelings or how to move on from
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[Music] this Jason in Hell's post to the relationship advice subreddit received over 200 comments from users all around
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the world offering their input and support the top comment had upwards of 500 up votes signifying that a large
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number of users had rated it positively written by someone with the username lude it advised the Jason in hell not to
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navigate the situation alone and to seek legal counsel as soon as possible you won't be doing your
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children any favors by remaining in a marriage that is now founded on lies infidelity and outright bullying the
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user wrote other commenters agreed that Jason in hell should obtain a lawyer and
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divorce his wife many were outraged at his willingness to Plate her by apologizing
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to the man she had an affair with and begging her to stay smack the [ __ ] out of that man one
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user demanded others were angry that Jason's wife was blackmailing him by threatening
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to use his suicide attempt 15 years prior to get full custody of their children one user called her tactics
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quote incredibly low and [ __ ] up advice was also given on how Jason should navigate the legal system should
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he wind up having to fight for the custody of his children the user 2012 Mustang GT
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wrote this dude's kids will someday understand the sacrifices he is making in his own life to keep them ignorantly
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happy user pork belly diet wrote to Jason please know your worth and best of luck to you and your children
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almost a week after his initial post Jason in Hull reappeared on the subreddit in a brief update titled I'm
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taking your advice Jason revealed that his wife didn't want to attempt to fix their relationship and refused to
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undergo counseling he wrote I am going to get myself and my kids out I meet with an attorney next
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week thank you everyone for helping me see how far I had my head up my ass Jason's update received only 20
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comments All of which were overwhelmingly positive users reassured him that he was
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doing the right thing mure leud who had encouraged Jason to seek legal counsel in the initial
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post wrote good for you and good luck remember that life on the other side of all this will be far better for both
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engaged for 2 years before tying the nod in 2009 their first child a son named Tyler was
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born that same year then in 2013 the couple welcomed their second child a daughter they named
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Charlie both the Jason and Brandy agreed that they would always put their children first Above All Else including
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their marriage the family of four lived in the small Midwestern town of Darlington
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Indiana with a population of less than a thousand residents most knew the Wallies
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and considered them good people Wednesday November 16 2016 was a typical day for the
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family Jason went to his job as a software engineer while Brandy took 7-year-old Tyler and 3-year-old Charlie
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to spend their day with their grandmother that evening they all attended one of Charlie's dance
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performances before returning home for dinner Brandy then ducked out to Walmart to buy
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some pipe cleaners for a project Tyler was working on for school when she returned home she joined
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Jason in playing with their children in the living room Jason then bathed and put both
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Tyler and Charlie to bed before retiring for the night as it neared 5:00 a.m. Jason woke
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to the sound of screaming he rushed upstairs to find his mother in-law crying hysterically in the
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kitchen Brandy was sitting in the nearby living room bleeding profusely from a wound in her
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neck now you can't take my children from me she told Jason minutes earlier at 4:35 a.m. a
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phone call was placed to 911 the dispatcher was left speechless by what he heard and was convinced the
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caller must have have been delusional and lying my County 911 where's emergency in what
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town Darlington you what's going on there I just stabbed myself and I killed my two children you stabbed yourself and
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killed your two children mhm okay and what's your name Randy and where they where the
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children at in my daughter's room on the flooor in your daughter's room on the floor
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okay and and what caused you to do this today my husband wanted to divorce and wanted to take my kid I won't let him
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found my kid okay and how old are your children three 10 and three seven seven and three
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mhm okay and where did you stab yourself at in the neck okay are you bleeding yeah I
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everywhere okay and where are you at their living room you're in their living room
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mhm okay and are are you armed now with the knife still no it's in my children's
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room okay where's your husband at downstairs somewhere okay what's his condition
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I don't know how talk and when you say downstairs is he in a basement or yeah okay what's his
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name Jason Jason Jason warley yeah when police arrived at the warley house they found Tyler and Charlie
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deceased in Charlie's bedroom Brandy Wally was sitting on a couch in the living room she was rushed
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to hospital where she remained for over a week during which her neck wound was successfully
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treated when police were finally able to speak to Brandy it was the first time the lifelong Darlington resident had
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come to the attention of authorities she had no prior criminal history and there was no evidence that
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her children were in any danger prior to November 17 to the contrary the Wally family was
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widely described as happy and loving yet Brandy told investigators that after 7 years together on Wednesday
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November 16 Jason had filed for divorce citing irretrievable breakdown of their marriage following bry's
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infidelity a year prior he was no longer able to stay together for the sake of their
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children as part of the divorce agreement he had requested custody in child support benefits with Equitable
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division of the Family Assets that evening instead of buying pipe cleaners from Walmart Brandy
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purchased a Kar style combat knife which she hid in her son's room once everyone was in bed she
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consumed large quantities of the antihistamine benad dril in order to make herself
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drowsy she then entered Tyler's bedroom and stirred him away saying they were going to have a sleepover in his little
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sister's room she retrieved the combat knife and followed Tyler out once inside Charlie's bedroom Brandy
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straddled her son and began stabbing him in the neck Charlie woke up to the commotion
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and asked her mother what she was doing through the darkness Brandy responded nothing go back to
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sleep Brandy then approached and stabbed her in the neck multiple times before inserting the knife into her own
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neck leaving the knife in her daughter's room a bleeding Brandy then made her way
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to the living room where she picked up the phone and called her mother to tell her what she'd done bry's mother ordered
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her to call 911 Brandy did as she was told and was still speaking with the 911 dispatcher
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when her mother arrived and entered Charlie's room to find the two children deceased it was her scream that woke up
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Jason Wally who had been sleeping soundly in the basement Brandy told the police that she
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had intended to kill herself but had somehow quote screwed that up matter of factly she explained that
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she didn't want her divorcing husband to take their kids from her so she stabbed
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them I just wanted to die with them she revealed I didn't want them to live without
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me the outpouring of grief from the local community was immense counselors were called in to speak to devastated
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students at Tyler's Elementary School while neighbors of the Wes were left in disbelief they couldn't fathom that such
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a horrific crime could happen to a seemingly normal family one that often hosted G togethers and bonfires on
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holidays Brandy appeared to be a doting mother she was often seen walking her two children around the neighborhood and
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photos of them featured throughout her personal Facebook page on which she wrote in the end I am the only one that
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can give my children a happy mother that loves life some who knew Brandy regarded her
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as a great person they couldn't comprehend a sight of her that would compel her to kill her
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own children an online fundraiser was launched to support Jason Wy and help pay for his children's
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funeral Tyler and Charlie were laid to rest under a shared Tombstone that read rest well sweet babies dad loves
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you etched next to Tyler's name was a ret an ow likee Creature from the series Pokémon
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Charlie's name was accompanied by the Snowman Olaf from the Disney film Frozen despite a cleaning crew having
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since been through the wle home Jason noticed his daughter's room still rap of blood unable to stay there any longer he
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gathered some of his possessions and threw them into the back of a [Music] van for the murders of her two children
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Brandy warley initially entered a not- guilty plea with the intention of claiming the insanity
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defense however she ultimately accepted a plea deal and altered her plea to guilty to avoid facing a
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trial bry's defense attorney claimed there was no definitive reason why the murders took
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place as others had described Brandy was a wonderful caring mother but her lawyer
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said she simply snapped he wanted to give the an explanation but conceded I can't do
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that he said that Brandy had been emotional during their first few meetings But as time wore on she became
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more stoic as that's the only way she can deal with it at this point her lawyer also revealed that
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since the murders Brandy had been diagnosed with depression in 2018 Jason w took the
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stand during bry's sentencing hearing telling the court that his children were his
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life he described 7-year-old Tyler as a loving energetic first grader Who Loved Sports the type of child who could walk
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into a room of strangers and walk out with 20 new friends he wanted to work on computers
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one day like his dad 3-year-old Charlie was a big ball of attitude who loved getting dressed up
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and wouldn't leave the house without braids or a bow in her hair Jason's divorce to Brandy had been
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finalized in March 2017 and they hadn't spoken since the night of the murders in regards to his ex-wife's
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guilty plea Jason said she appeared to be just as unremorseful as she did in the 911
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call when asked what sentence he would like to see Brandy receive Jason responded all I want and have ever
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wanted was to have her out of sight and mind so that I may move forward from this
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horror after sitting quietly for 4 minutes the presiding judge sentenced Brandy Wy to a total of 120 years in
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prison for the murders of Tyler and Charlie Brandy remained silent upon hearing the
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outcome she was twice asked if she had anything to say but she opted not to make a
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statement the judge acknowledged that people wanted an explanation as to how a loving mother could kill her own
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children but told the court sometimes there is no explanation darkness is in this world
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and it penetrates minds and our hearts in the week after Tyler and Charlie Wy were murdered a post was made on the
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subreddit dedicated to American news commenter and YouTube personality Philip DeFranco titled a message for Phil the
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author was a redditor going by the username Jason in Hill he wrote my name is Jason Wy I have watched
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Phil for several years now and his words have always brought me comfort in in times of great
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loss last Thursday I lost my children Tyler age s and Charlie age three in horrific
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tragedy Jason didn't elaborate any further and instead went on to ride of his children's love of Phil's
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work any kind words you can offer would be greatly appreciated Jason requested before encouraging Phil to hold his own
00:36:54
baby son close the post flew under Philip def Franco's radar but his audience took notice and
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looked into Jason's Reddit profile where they came across his previous posts seeking advice about his cheating
00:37:11
wife Jason initially said he was staying with his wife for the sake of his children but users unanimously told him
00:37:18
to divorce her he expressed gratitude for the advice which he intended to follow in searching Jason Wally def
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Franco's audience came across the outcome of that advice and informed the YouTuber who filmed a video offering his
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support in the ensuing publicity the Jason in hell Reddit profile was deleted one day a post appeared on the
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relationship advice subreddit by a user going by the name Jason in code titled an update from Jason in hell
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it was Jason Wy who explained I deleted the Jason in hell account in a knee-jerk reaction to
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seeing my Reddit posts in the news I guess the first question to answer is how am I doing and to that I
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would say I am doing well he went on to describe the defeating bad days in which he had used
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alcohol to avoid nightmares of his children's final moments the support given by friends and
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family had been fundamental enabling Jason to drop the Habit before it caused too much
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damage he had also received treatment in hospital for suicidal thoughts that emerged following his children's
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murders Jason wrote from that I learned that you should never be ashamed of your mental
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health and not seeking treatment will only make it worse not better it had hadn't been easy Jason
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hadn't sought help initially which led to him losing his job and becoming a recluse he assured readers not to worry
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he had since returned to work and had nearly regained his former position and salary however his in-laws were an
00:39:15
ongoing problem they owned the house that Jason and Brandy lived in and had changed the
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locks shortly after the murders with Jason's belongings still inside he tried to negotiate the return
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of his property but was accused of theft and told he had to pay to retrieve his belongings Jason had to get law
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enforcement involved but bry's family continued to make his life difficult when Jason visited his
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children's grave on the one-year anniversary of their murders his ex-wife's family sat in their truck and
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watched him the whole time Jason wrote because of that I don't visit the grave as often as I would like
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to in regards to how he felt about Bry sentencing Jason explained that is harder to answer
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because no matter what the sentence nothing will bring back my beloved children do I think she should have
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gotten the death penalty which Indiana has no I do not she wanted to die and after 9 years
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of giving her what she wanted when she wanted it I was not going to give her another
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thing do I think the life sentence will have any appreciable effect on her I don't know one thing she always stressed
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for the entire time that I knew her was that she lived her life without any regrets even after I caught her cheating
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on me she continued to say she had no regrets Jason in Hell's Reddit history has been archived on relationship advice
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where it remains Locked In Time the posts and original comment threads can be viewed but nothing else
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can be changed or added the subreddit has since reflected on the lessons learned through Jason W's
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ordeal users who seek out his original posts are greeted with a message explaining that those who contributed to
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discussions at the time failed to consider the reality of the situation as best as they could have
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known hindsight is 2020 and encourages users to realize the potential for complications which might make any
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advice difficult to follow it ends with the remark something which seems obvious to
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any one of us is rarely ever obvious to someone in the weeds of the relationship
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itself redditors have rallied behind Jason in the aftermath of the murders with his update post filled with
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comments expressing support and sympathy despite his loss Jason expressed gratitude to the relationship
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advice community and the service they provide to those in need adding no one could have foreseen the
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tragedy that resulted from me filing for divorce there is one thing in particular
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that continues to haunt Jason on the night of the murders Brandy suggested that he sleep in the living
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room in an online post Jason lamented I just can't help but wonder that if I had slept on the couch like
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she had suggested instead of an air mattress in the basement then maybe I could have saved my children or at the
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very least died with them a father has one job in this world to protect his children and I fa fail to
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do [Music] that in his final Reddit post to relationship advice Jason warley wrote if I can impart on you something I
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have learned through all of this it is that you should always take the time to be with the ones you
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love it doesn't matter if they are asking you to read the pokey little puppy for the millionth time or asking
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you to play Smash Brothers even though you both know they will wipe the floor with you every every
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time just do it because you never know what time will be the last time always make sure they know how much you love
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them I had the fortune that the last thing my children ever heard me say was I love you good night I will see you
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