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the station 61 crew of the omaha fire department were just over an hour into their shift on saturday august 17 2013
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when they were called out to a house fire two miles south within a matter of seconds the
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firefighters had pulled on their safety equipment raced to their truck and left the station
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they reached the address five minutes later arriving at 8 20 am the split level home sat on a quiet
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street with a small front yard the fire inside was already extinguished having burnt itself out naturally
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inside the house was smoldering and the air was thick with smoke the walls had turned black with soot and
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its furnishings were charred beyond repair but there were no embers or flames remaining and all of the surfaces were
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cooled to the touch it had been some time since their house was ablaze [Music] as the firefighters conducted a thorough
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search of the property they discovered something else there had been several fatalities
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meanwhile an email sudden opened in the inbox of 36 year old dave kruber it had been sent more than eight hours
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earlier at 11 57 pm on friday august 16. if dave had clicked on the email he would have been met with a disturbing
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claim i am not lying i set that nasty [ __ ] house on fire the message read i hope the [ __ ] and her kids die in it
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[Music] [Music] [Music] dave krupa had been out of the dating scene for more than a decade when he
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suddenly found himself single again after 12 years together he and amy flora the mother of his two children had
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decided to split when they realized that they wanted different things dave was eager to get out there and
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start seeing new people but he wasn't ready for anything serious he'd spent most of his adult life in a
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committed relationship and here was a chance to have a bit of fun one day in october of 2012 dave was
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working behind the counter of the auto repair shop where he was an assistant manager when a woman walked in and
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immediately caught his eye she was 37 year old carrie father and had brought in her black ford explorer
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for a minor repair dave felt a mutual spark of attraction but was reluctant to do anything about
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it asking a customer out didn't seem professional a few days later he was scrolling
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through profiles on a dating website when carrie's photo suddenly popped up now he knew for sure she was single and
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looking to meet someone dave typed a brief message to carrie that read hi i know you
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then he hit sand carrie sent a polite reply back and a couple of weeks later she returned to
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dave's work to have something else fixed with her car this time dave made his move
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the pair exchanged phone numbers and made plans to see each other soon dave and carrie's first date was on
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october 29 at an applebee's restaurant they hit it off right away while both agreeing that they weren't looking for
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anything committed or serious they went home together that night and soon they were spending more and more
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time together after a couple of weeks things were comfortable enough for dave to make an
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unconventional offer dave lived on his own in an apartment in omaha nebraska he'd moved to the city to be closer to
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his children who lived just across the iowa state border in his ex-partner's hometown of council bluffs
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carrie lived in iowa as well but her small town of macedonia was an hour's drive from the it company in omaha where
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she worked as a computer programmer from monday november 12 carrie was required to work late hours on a
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week-long project so dave suggested that she stay with him until she'd met her deadline
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that way she wouldn't have to worry about a long commute to and from work carrie was happy with this plan and
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packed her bags to stay with dave from that monday on it was mid-morning on tuesday november
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13 when dave heard his phone ding it was a text message from carrie that read let's move in together
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dave was taken aback they'd only been dating for two weeks and he'd been clear that he wasn't
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looking for a commitment perhaps inviting carrie to stay with him for a whole week had given her the wrong
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message he tapped out a reply explaining to carrie that he wasn't interested in her
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suggestion within seconds dave's phone dinged again carrie responded fine [ __ ] you i'm seeing somebody else
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don't contact me again i hate you go away repulsed and annoyed dave put his phone
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away he'd thought carrie was better than that later on he vented about the situation
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to some of his colleagues who were empathetic and shared their own bad dating stories
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[Music] when dave returned home that night carrie had already packed up her things
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and left he told himself now that she'd shown her true colors he'd definitely dodged a
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bullet a couple of days passed and dave moved on focusing on work instead it appeared that carrie had moved on as
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well then all of a sudden he was hit by a barrage of angry text messages from her
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one after another they lit up on his phone carrie told dave she was furious and started insulting and abusing him
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occasionally she tried calling but dave refused to pick up [Music] day after day the abuse continued
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dave struggled to go about his normal life as the constant notifications on his phone interrupted his shifts at work
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and his social activities afterwards dave's email inbox was also flooded with a series of aggressive messages which
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seemed to grow increasingly hostile and nonsensical some were downright disturbing
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[Music] one featured the subject line watching carrie claimed to be observing dave's
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movements and she sometimes attached photos she'd taken of his home and car one day carrie started calling dave's
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work and hanging up each time someone answered for an entire day the auto repair shop's
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phone was tied up with hundreds of these prank calls preventing customers from getting through interrupting everyone's
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workday and infuriating dave's boss and co-workers dave almost lost his job over the
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incident dave was stunned he had never experienced anything like this finding himself the target of a non-stop
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harassment campaign was incredibly distressing but to dave's horror he wasn't the only
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one that carrie had set her sights on carrie's rage at being rejected by dave prompted her to go after others in his
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life specifically other women who he'd been romantically involved with his ex amy flora who'd been dave's
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partner for more than a decade was on the receiving end of carrie's anger carrie also targeted another woman named
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liz golia who dave had been seeing casually carrie was aware of liz after bumping
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into her one night at dave's apartment in text to dave carrie called liz quote a fat ugly [ __ ]
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one day not long after the harassment began dave received a call from liz who sounded upset and confused
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she told him carrie had started texting and emailing her and liz wanted to know how carrie had gotten her contact
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details things became even scarier when liz returned home one day to find that the
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garage of her split-level rental house had been broken into the thief had stolen some checks liz
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kept in there then on november 23 liz entered her garage to see a nasty message scrawled
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on the wall in spray paint it read [ __ ] from dave both liz and dave subsequently received
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an email from carrie in which she bragged about having committed the vandalism concerned that carrie now knew where she
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lived liz filed a report with the omaha police department police officers weren't able to track
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carrie down as she quit her job for a new role in kansas but some digging into her background revealed that she'd been
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diagnosed with bipolar disorder some years earlier according to carrie's mother she had
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previously ceased taking her medication on at least one occasion as she disliked
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the way it made her feel the police officers were familiar with this scenario it wasn't uncommon for them to see
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erratic behavior from individuals with untreated mental illness or disorders they suspected that carrie was
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experiencing some kind of mental health crisis and was stalking her ex as a result
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until they could find her and question her about it there was little they could do to stop it
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meanwhile dave krupa continued to be tormented by carrie by the end of 2012 he was receiving up
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to 60 emails and text messages from her a day it didn't matter if dave changed his
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phone number she always managed to find him again he also tried blocking carrie's number
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but this didn't stop the abuse either more messages simply came through from new untraceable numbers
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dave saved each one so he could keep track of them all naming every phone number after carrie
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eventually he had 18 different carries saved in his phone carrie also used the wide variety of
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email addresses to harass dave some of them featured handles that incorporated dave's name such as krupa
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carrie 76 and dave's girl carrie carrie made lots of threats and outrageous claims
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she insisted that she was pregnant with dave's child and that she'd moved into his apartment complex
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one evening dave was watching television at home when his phone dinged with a notification
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he glanced down to see a message from carrie i see you in the chair with your feet
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propped up you're wearing your blue t-shirt dave was horrified carrie had described
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his posture and outfit accurately she must have been lurking outside his window he dashed outside to look for her
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his apartment was in a large complex of a dozen brick buildings each three stories high
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grassy lawns and large leafy trees were dotted between the buildings which lent the space a woodland feel
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there were plenty of spots where someone could lurk unseen dave peered through the dark but saw no
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sign of carry from then on he started to close his blinds at night these incidents didn't just occur when
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dave was alone he and his ex liz began to seek solace in one another as the stalking escalated
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and their rekindled romance only seemed to spur carry on sometimes the pair would be at dave's
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apartment chatting on the couch or watching a movie when their cell phones would ring out with simultaneous
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notifications they check their respective devices and see carrie had messaged them both at the
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same time telling liz she was a [ __ ] while insisting she would never leave dave alone
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the tormented couple vented their frustrations to one another and even coined a nickname for their stalker
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crazy carrie at 12 30 a.m on sunday january 6 2013 dave krupa received a disturbing email
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from carrie father it contained an attachment a photograph of a woman with dark hair
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curled up in the boot of a car with her hands bound and duct tape over her mouth
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her face was turned slightly away making it difficult to see her features the accompanying message warned
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you will do exactly as i say and then i will let her go [Music] carrie told dave that she'd abducted liz
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and was holding her hostage dave was to call liz's phone and dump her via voicemail
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liz would then play the message out loud to carrie to confirm it had been received
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then dave had to get back together with carrie if this was done carrie would let liz go
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if you don't agree she will stay in my trunk the message concluded this was a serious escalation in
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behavior but dave wasn't sure if the threat was genuine the photograph of the woman almost
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looked like a stock image he texted liz right away but there was no reply dave tried not to get nervous
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it was late at night so liz was most likely sleeping he heard back from liz the next morning
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relieved that she was okay and the whole thing had been nothing more than a sick
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joke dave replied to her psycho was playing games several days later on january 10 dave
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was driving home from work when he saw a familiar vehicle parked outside one of the buildings in his apartment complex
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it was a black ford explorer covered in snow from a recent storm dave immediately recognized it as
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carrie's car the same one that he'd worked on when she'd brought it into the auto repair shop two months earlier
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he phoned the police to report the vehicle and it was towed to the omaha police department and impounded
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dave showed an officer the message from carrie that said she had moved into the same complex as him but the address she
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provided didn't correlate to any of the apartments it seemed to be a fake number
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police dismissed her claim as another empty threat but asked if they could download the contents of dave's and
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liz's phones to aid in the investigation of their stalker both were happy to oblige
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throughout the first half of 2013 curry father continued to make life a living hell for dave krupa
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one evening he was out visiting his children at their mother's home when he received an email that read
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i told you i was coming to see you tonight you weren't there i took out a window
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when dave returned home he saw that a brick had been thrown through one of his bedroom windows
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another time he went outside to find his car scratched with the words dave loves
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fat [ __ ] carrie also maintained her harassment of liz golia dave's ex amy flora and any
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other women who dave took an interest in as well as threatening the women themselves she would make threats
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against any children they had and sometimes send disturbing images that indicated she'd been lurking outside
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their homes occasionally she took out her anger on the women's property liz golia's car was keyed with the
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demand [ __ ] stop seeing dave carrie hadn't physically harmed anyone yet but she constantly threatened to
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in the summer of 2013 she sent dave a particularly menacing email about liz i'll kill her
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she stole my heart she broke my dreams she stole my future when she took you away from me
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that [ __ ] will die at 8 14 am on saturday august 17 a call came through to the omaha fire
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department about a possible house fire nearby after racing to the scene firefighters
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found the remnants of a devastating blaze that had severely damaged the small split level house
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the property was home to liz golia and her two children although the fire had been extinguished
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thick smoke still hung in the air black soot covered the surfaces and the home's
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contents were badly charred even worse several deceased bodies were found throughout
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but they weren't human sadly the family's four pets two dogs a cat and a snake had all perished from
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smoke inhalation liz and her children had survived through a lucky twist of fate they were
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in the process of moving and had been staying at their new home when the blaze struck
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when liz had arrived at the house earlier that morning to collect some things she opened the front door and
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smoke billowed out she had immediately called 911. as the firefighters examined the house a
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couple of things caught their attention a gas can sat on the living room floor and a bottle of lighter fluid was found
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on a kitchen bench there also appeared to be multiple points of origin the only reason the flames hadn't
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engulfed the entire house was because all of its windows were shut which prevented oxygen from sustaining the
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flames liz identified the gas can and the lighter fluid as belonging to her but they had been moved from their usual
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spots in the backyard she had also made a disturbing discovery at 12 56 a.m that morning well before
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the fire was discovered she had received an email from carrie father nasty [ __ ]
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dave doesn't want you talking to him anymore he wants to be with me we are trying a new relationship
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we have had sex recently he loves me and always will he doesn't want you back you nasty fat
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[ __ ] liz hope you and your kids burn to death dave had received a similar email
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gloating over the fire and the presumed death of liz and her children he felt terrible that liz had lost her
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pets and many of her belongings because of him she refused to give dave her new address
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in case carrie found it and dave completely understood her fear carrie's behavior was escalating and
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she'd proved that she had no qualms about killing although dave kept waiting for her to
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move on and to leave him alone weeks turned into months and then years but the torment continued
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finally dave decided to take extra measures to protect himself his father gave him a nine millimeter
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smith and wesson pistol and dave kept it in a box on a closet shelf far enough out of reach so his children
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wouldn't find it but easily accessible for him although carrie continued to send him
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abusive texts and emails daily she showed no further signs of acting on any of her threats
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nevertheless the stalking was taking a toll on dave both mentally and physically
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he began drinking at his local bar every night and eventually gained 30 pounds his work suffered from the constant
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interruptions and carrie even once vandalised the auto repair shop spray painting the words
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dave beats women on its front windows one night in 2014 dave had a female friend staying with him when someone
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tried to break into his apartment by jiggling the front door handle then a brick was thrown through his
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bedroom window dave became increasingly worried about the safety of those close to him
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particularly his two children in february 2015 dave moved from his apartment in omaha to a new home across
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the border in council bluffs iowa he hoped that the change of address would prevent carrie from stalking him
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in person but the incidents continued after more than two years it seemed like the harassment would never stop
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one afternoon in late november 2015 dave returned home after a day out and went into his bedroom to get something
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from his closet [Music] he immediately noticed that the box he kept his gun in was sticking out over
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the ledge of the shelf dave normally kept it pushed back to ensure it was out of reach
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he snatched the box and quickly opened it up the gun was missing a week later on saturday december 5 liz
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golia decided to go for an evening stroll in big lake park a sprawling 190 acre park right near the nebraska iowa
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border even though it was only around 6 30 pm it was already dark but liz felt safe as
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she wound her way along one of the walking paths spotting a bench up ahead she decided to
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sit and rest for a minute she hadn't stopped for long when she saw the silhouette of a person cast over her
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and heard a woman's voice tell her to get down on the ground liz did as she was told
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as she lay face down on the cold ground the woman asked so you like [ __ ] dave a couple of loud bangs rang out then liz
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felt a burning sensation in her left thigh she had been shot liz managed to scramble to her feet and
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ran away as fast as her injury permitted she stumbled back to her car where she'd
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left her cell phone and dialed 9-1-1 sounding scared and distraught she told the operator
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i've been shot in the leg my pant leg is soaked with blood an officer from the council bluffs
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police department was dispatched to the scene and found liz sitting on the ground next to her car still on the
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phone to 9-1-1 her leg was bleeding and she was obviously in pain liz began telling the officer what had
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happened to her and revealed that she knew who had shot her but the shooter hadn't been carrie
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go to simplysafe.com slash case file three years earlier on tuesday november 13 2012 nancy rainey had received a
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strange text message from her 37 year old daughter carrie favre carrie was staying in omaha for the week
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with her new boyfriend dave while she completed a big work project therefore nancy was looking after
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carrie's 14 year old son max nancy was expecting carrie back in a few days but carrie's text said she'd been
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offered a new job in kansas and planned to take it nancy was baffled she was very close to her daughter and
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they spoke on the phone daily as far as nancy was aware carrie loved her job it seemed odd that she'd abruptly quit
00:32:44
carrie also owned her own house in her hometown of macedonia so an interstate move made no sense from that perspective
00:32:52
either nancy asked max if he knew anything about a job in kansas he said his mother had previously
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mentioned looking at a position there which made nancy feel somewhat reassured but she was still unsettled
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the tone of carrie's messages seemed wrong and it didn't make sense that she wouldn't call nancy to chat like she
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usually did carrie's half-brother was due to get married in several days time nancy figured she would see her daughter
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then and figure out what was going on but the wedding came and went with no sign of carrie
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scared that something was seriously wrong nancy decided to call the police the officer who spoke with her didn't
00:33:44
seem overly concerned carrie was a grown woman and was entitled to take some time to herself if
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she wanted to besides she was still in contact via text messages and social media
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on november 21 she announced on her facebook page moving to kansas for a great job
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we'll miss family and great friends nancy mentioned that carrie had always been a happy vivacious and fun-loving
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person but she'd experienced the difficult period roughly a decade earlier and was eventually diagnosed as
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having bipolar disorder the officers latched on to carrie's bipolar diagnosis as a likely
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explanation for her sudden erratic behavior and wondered if she'd stopped taking her medication
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they'd seen similar things happened before the officers processed the report and
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carrie was officially listed as a missing person but the case wasn't a priority a couple of weeks after carrie vanished
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nancy received a message from her daughter saying that her black ford explorer was
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missing the vehicle was registered in nancy's name so she reported it stolen about a month later the explorer was
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discovered by dave krupa in the parking lot of his apartment complex after towing the car police searched
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inside and found it was clean except for a stain from a spilt drink on one of the
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seats there were few personal belongings inside and no driver's manual or registration in the glove compartment
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tucked into one of the drink holders was an empty mint container once the vehicle was processed it was
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returned to nancy those close to carrie were growing increasingly concerned as well as missing her brother's wedding
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she hadn't shown up at any of her son's sporting events this was completely out of character as
00:35:59
she always made sure to support max in his extracurricular activities carrie's father danny had also been sick
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with cancer for a long time and she regularly visited him in hospital however the visit stopped and when dany
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died a month after carrie disappeared she didn't show up for his funeral yet the text messages kept coming
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carrie had always been meticulous with her spelling and grammar but now she was sending gobbled texts riddled with
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spelling punctuation and grammar mistakes shortly after carrie vanished she messaged nancy explaining that she'd
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sold her bedroom furniture online she asked if nancy could let the buyer into her house to collect it
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as proof of the purchase carrie sent a photo of a check made out to her for five thousand dollars
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nancy was dubious carrie's bedroom dresser was an antique that had belonged to her great
00:37:05
grandmother it seemed impossible that carrie would want to part with it nancy tapped out a reply
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i need to hear your voice first so i know it's really you an aggressive response from carrie's
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number soon came through accusing nancy of being controlling and a bad mother a couple of months later nancy was
00:37:32
scrolling through facebook when she came across a new profile under the name carrie father
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the profile picture was a photograph of carrie with her late father examining the profile nancy saw a post
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that mentioned dave krupa the man carrie had been dating at the time of her disappearance
00:37:54
nancy sometimes wondered if dave was responsible for whatever had happened to carrie but she had no way of contacting
00:38:01
him according to the police handling carrie's missing persons file dave was the one being harassed by her
00:38:12
the facebook post said that dave and carrie had recently gotten engaged and showed a photograph of a stubby hand
00:38:19
wearing a diamond ring it looked nothing like carrie's hand which had very long fingers
00:38:28
nancy was now certain that somebody else was actively pretending to be her daughter
00:38:35
[Music] carrie's son agreed like nancy he couldn't believe carrie would ever abandon him
00:38:46
let alone take off without any proper explanation one day max received a message from the
00:38:53
new facebook account using his mother's name he opened it and read the words hey
00:39:00
little man how are you his mother had never called him little man before and max was unsettled by the
00:39:08
message he didn't reply but then a couple of weeks later he had an idea he went onto facebook and typed the
00:39:18
response what was the name of our first boxer who was my best friend when i was growing up
00:39:27
these were questions only his mother could answer max waited and waited but a reply never
00:39:34
arrived carrie's family was certain she had fallen victim to foul play but had no
00:39:42
way of proving it and investigators seemed unwilling to listen one night her mother nancy had an
00:39:50
incredibly vivid dream in which carrie's father dany appeared before her as he looked into nancy's eyes he said
00:39:58
in a soft voice nancy she's with me the dream felt so real that nancy immediately woke up
00:40:11
she was comforted by the thought that carrie was safe in the care of her beloved father while also struck with
00:40:18
grief at the certain knowledge that her daughter was dead [Music] when liz golia was shot in big lake park
00:40:28
in december of 2015 more than three years had passed since nancy first reported carriers missing
00:40:36
during those three years liz had received thousands of abusive emails and text messages from someone using
00:40:43
carrie's identity her home had been vandalized then burnt down with her four pets inside and now
00:40:51
she had been shot in the leg while out on a walk as she told the police it didn't make
00:40:58
sense that carrie would develop such an obsession with her given that carrie had
00:41:03
only dated dave krupa for two weeks liz had theorised that dave's ex amy flora had been behind at the harassment
00:41:12
all along amy had recently started sending liz some nasty messages via facebook prompting liz to wonder if amy had been
00:41:22
framing carrie for stalking as the mother of dave's two children amy had far more reason to be possessive of
00:41:31
him than carrie did liz and dave were no longer seeing each other at this point but that didn't seem
00:41:38
to matter to amy liz also knew that amy had a spare key to dave's apartment and his gun had
00:41:47
recently disappeared from there detectives were intrigued by liz's theory they hadn't been able to track down
00:41:56
liz's shooter despite dispatching a helicopter team and a search party to scour the park
00:42:03
however they had recently found some unidentified human remains and were starting to wonder if perhaps they
00:42:10
belonged to carrie father as detailed by author leslie rule in her book a tangled web
00:42:19
one of the detectives told liz i'm thinking if amy was bold enough to go and shoot you she could have easily
00:42:28
been bold enough to have done something to carry they asked liz to forward on any further
00:42:35
messages amy sent her and downloaded the contents of her phone so they could examine everything she'd already
00:42:42
received for themselves on december 20 five days after liz golia was shot an email landed in her inbox
00:42:54
which she immediately forwarded to investigators detective jim doty who worked for the
00:43:01
pottawatomie county sheriff's office in iowa scanned his eyes over the long message which had been sent to liz from
00:43:08
amy flora it rad in part when i met crazy carrie she would not stop talking about dave and him being
00:43:18
her husband she tried to attack me but i attacked her with a knife i stabbed her three to four times in the
00:43:26
stomach area i then took her out and burned her i stuffed her body in a garbage can with
00:43:33
crap she was carried out to the dumpster probably when dave took my garbage out for me
00:43:41
so be glad i did not do you that way liz this confession was beyond disturbing but with no evidence and no body it was
00:43:53
just words on a screen detectives reassured liz that they were monitoring the situation and keeping a
00:44:00
close eye on amy flora all they needed was some specific details that only the killer could know
00:44:08
and they would be able to make an arrest in subsequent messages over the following months amy provided slightly
00:44:17
different versions of carrie father's murder but all involved her stabbing carrie in carrie's car wrapping her in a
00:44:24
tarp then burning and dumping her body in one telling amy claimed she stabbed carrie then drove her out into the woods
00:44:36
carrie was still alive and begged for her life but amy simply looked on watching the life drain from her body
00:44:45
to prove she wasn't quote lying about offing that crazy [ __ ] amy described a yin-yang tattoo that was on carrie's
00:44:54
thigh a detail that hadn't been mentioned in the media amy described how after killing carrie
00:45:02
she had cleaned her car driven to her home and gathered up some of carrie's personal belongings to make it look as
00:45:08
though she decided to leave of her own accord amy accurately described the layout and
00:45:16
look of carrie's house she said she'd contacted carrie's mother nancy posing as carrie to cover up her
00:45:24
crime she also parked carrie's car at dave krupa's apartment complex so it would
00:45:30
look like she was stalking him when the police had initially searched to carry father's car they had no idea
00:45:40
it was a possible crime scene and had only processed it as a stolen vehicle however the original search had
00:45:48
uncovered one clue the vehicle was exceptionally clean with no fingerprints anywhere except for one
00:45:56
recovered from an empty mint container in one of the car's cup holders this fingerprint hadn't belonged to
00:46:04
carrie farva or anyone in the police database on february 18 2016 detectives obtained the vehicle from its
00:46:15
new owner and conducted a second search amy claimed she'd stabbed carrie while she was seated in her car so the
00:46:24
detectives removed the fabric upholstery from the driver's seat and sprayed it with luminol looking for any sign of
00:46:31
blood there was nothing there on the front passenger seat was a faint red stain during the original search this had been
00:46:43
determined to be the result of a spilled drink tearing off the seat cover to expose the
00:46:50
foam beneath the detectives realised the red stain was roughly the size of an adult hand with several smaller spots
00:46:58
surrounding it this time the luminol reacted dna testing confirmed that the blood
00:47:08
belonged to carrie father a week later on february 25 2016 detectives were ready to make an arrest
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deliver quality content in spring of 2015 detectives jim doty and ryan avis overheard some chat around
00:51:04
the pottawatomie county sheriff's department about a woman named carrie father who had gone missing
00:51:10
intrigued by what they heard they requested the case be reassigned to them so far carrie's disappearance had been
00:51:18
treated as an adult leaving of her own accord when a sheriff's deputy tried to track
00:51:24
carrie down after her mother first reported her missing he received a number of text messages from carrie's
00:51:30
phone including one that read i don't care about this missing person report but i would really appreciate it
00:51:38
if you leave dave krupa out of it i will be leaving the state my mother overreacted
00:51:45
i have been to my house a few times in the two and a half years that followed carrie remained elusive but her
00:51:54
harassment of dave krupa continued multiple facebook accounts under her name featured a long rants about dave
00:52:02
which was totally out of character for carrie who had never previously made any angry social media posts
00:52:11
a youtube user with the name carrie father posted a video titled my husband's cheating place
00:52:18
it had been filmed outside of dave's apartment complex it seemed as though carrie was all over
00:52:25
the internet even though no one had seen her in real life when her missing persons file was handed
00:52:32
over to detectives dodie and avis they decided to investigate differently detective avis would look into carrie's
00:52:40
disappearance as though she was still alive while detective dodi would investigate it as though she were
00:52:46
deceased by considering both possibilities they hoped to discover the truth it soon struck the detectives how there
00:52:56
was no real trace of carrie after november 13 2012 aside from some out of character
00:53:03
electronic communications the last time her money had been touched was on november 16 2012
00:53:12
three days after she was last seen somebody had used carrie's debit card to make two separate purchases at two
00:53:19
different discount stores in omaha other than that her bank accounts had been left alone
00:53:28
everything seemed to suggest that detective dodie's angle was the correct one that carried fava was deceased
00:53:37
in early 2013 dave krupa and elise golia had allowed their phones to be downloaded as part of the investigation
00:53:45
into carrie stalking detectives avis and dodie combed through the pages and pages of data and noticed
00:53:54
some interesting things on november 6 and november 7 2012 roughly a week before carrie went
00:54:02
missing liz golia had made six separate calls to the same landline carrie father's home phone
00:54:11
all of the calls were brief with the longest lasting 33 seconds why had liz been calling carrie in early
00:54:20
november when the two didn't even know each other there was also a series of photographs
00:54:27
that liza's phone had captured on december 24 2012 more than a month after carrie's disappearance
00:54:35
they showed carrie's black ford explorer and were taken weeks before dave krupa reported finding it parked near his
00:54:43
apartment the police had prince on file for liz whose full name was shanna elizabeth
00:54:51
goliar when detective dodie compared these to the one recovered from the mint container in carrie's car
00:54:58
he found it was a perfect match [Music] dave krupa had met liz golia in the summer of 2012 via the dating website
00:55:09
plenty of fish she was one of the first women he started seeing after breaking up with
00:55:15
his longtime partner amy flora dave was physically attracted to liz but didn't feel a strong connection to her
00:55:24
their conversations were never particularly deep and liz took no interest in reading or current events
00:55:31
like dave did they dated casually with dave making it clear that he wasn't interested in a
00:55:37
committed relationship at the same time he kept seeing other women liz frequently pressured dave for
00:55:46
something more exclusive but he wouldn't change his mind a few months later in october when dave
00:55:54
met carrie father at his work their connection was instant as well as finding carrie extremely
00:56:02
pretty dave was blown away by how incredibly intelligent kind and fun she was the attraction was mutual with carrie
00:56:12
later telling a friend that although dave wasn't her usual type she was inexplicably drawn to him
00:56:20
at that first date the conversation flowed and carrie laughed more than she had in a long time
00:56:27
when dave invited her back to his place she took him up on the offer but she had to make one thing clear she
00:56:35
wasn't looking for anything serious and didn't want a boyfriend dave later reported feeling like he'd
00:56:42
hit the jackpot at this moment he'd found an amazing woman who wanted the exact same thing as him
00:56:50
there was just one problem during dave's first date with carrie his phone started blowing up with calls and
00:56:57
messages from liz dave ignored his phone for as long as possible but eventually excused himself
00:57:04
so he could call liz back she said she needed to collect some things she'd left at his apartment
00:57:12
dave responded that he was on a date and it wasn't a good time [Music] when dave and carrie got back to his
00:57:19
place they'd barely walked through the front door when dave's phone started ringing again along with his apartment's
00:57:26
security buzzer liz had shown up in person determined to pick up her belongings dave explained the situation to carrie
00:57:36
who laughed it off and said she'd leave so he could sort everything out she briefly passed liz as she exited the
00:57:45
apartment but gave no indication she was bothered by liz's presence liz rushed into dave's home upset and
00:57:54
eager to speak with him however dave was irritated by the interruption and asked her to leave as
00:58:00
soon as she gathered up her possessions once liz was out of the apartment dave called kerry and she invited him over to
00:58:08
her place that was the beginning of their two-week relationship the last time dave krupa ever saw carrie
00:58:21
father was at around 6 30 a.m on tuesday november 13 2012. carrie had been sitting on his couch
00:58:29
using her laptop and dave had kissed her goodbye before leaving for work a few hours later at 9 54 carrie's phone
00:58:39
was used to log into her facebook account and whoever did so unfriended dave krupa
00:58:47
shortly after dave received a strange text from carrie asking if they should move in together a question completely
00:58:55
at odds with her prior approach to their relationship when he said no a torrent of abuse began
00:59:02
that would continue for years two days later one of carrie's supervisors at work received a text from
00:59:12
her phone that read i won't be coming back i'm taking a job in kansas sorry for the short notice
00:59:21
i am sending someone out to you to fill the position her name is shana golia a few hours later shanna liz golia
00:59:32
filled out an application for a role at the same company where carrie had worked
00:59:38
as she had no experience in coding or computer programming her application was unsuccessful
00:59:47
when examining liz's phone contents detectives dodie and avis found a photo of a woman bound and duct taped in the
00:59:54
trunk of a car the same one that carrie had emailed to dave as a threat against liz
01:00:02
the photo had been snapped on liz's phone prompting the detectives to suspect she had taken it of herself
01:00:10
they also found out that the video of dave's apartment building posted to youtube in carrie's name had actually
01:00:17
been uploaded from an ip address registered to liz's home detectives dodie and avis informed
01:00:26
carrie's mother nancy that they suspected carrie had met with foul play relieved that her daughter's case was
01:00:34
finally being investigated seriously nancy willingly surrendered her cell phone so its contents could be studied
01:00:41
as well amongst the numerous texts supposedly sent by carrie was one explaining that
01:00:48
she had sold her bedroom furniture and asking nancy to let the buyer into her home to collect it
01:00:56
a photo of a check for five thousand dollars was attached it was signed by liz golia
01:01:08
by late 2015 the detectives had accumulated a lot of circumstantial evidence but no definitive answers
01:01:17
then on december 4 they got a surprise when liz golia suddenly walked into the pottawatomie county sheriff's department
01:01:27
liz was there to file a harassment report against amy flora the ex-partner of her former boyfriend dave krupa
01:01:36
according to liz amy had been stalking her via facebook and she now suspected amy was also responsible for the attacks
01:01:44
made in carrie father's name liz was particularly worried because a pistol that dave krupa had acquired for
01:01:53
self-defense had suddenly gone missing from his home and she knew that amy had a key to his property
01:02:01
the detectives requested permission to download liz's phone once again and encouraged her to contact them if she
01:02:08
had any further concerns a little over 24 hours later liz was shot in the leg while walking in big
01:02:16
lake park and pointed to amy flora as her attacker a thorough search of the park turned up
01:02:24
no sign of the assailant while investigators quickly established that amy flora had been at home with her
01:02:31
children at the time as bizarre as it seemed the detectives began to suspect that the shooting had
01:02:39
been committed by none other than liz gollier herself back in 2013 when investigators had
01:02:50
downloaded liz's phone contents for the first time it was assumed she was a victim
01:02:56
for that reason the police had performed a logical download only acquiring the data that still remained on the device
01:03:05
now that they were looking at liz as a possible suspect they performed a physical download which would also give
01:03:11
them access to content that had been deleted as an i.t expert trawled through the
01:03:18
recovered data puzzle pieces began to click into place an app called texty had been installed
01:03:27
by liz some time ago then subsequently deleted it had allowed her to send messages and
01:03:34
emails from numerous fake accounts set up under carrie father's name it also enabled liz to schedule what
01:03:42
time she wanted the messages sent which explained how dave and liz had sometimes received texts from carrie
01:03:50
simultaneously while sitting side by side liz had also used a virtual private networks known as vpns to disguise the
01:04:01
ip address that her emails were sent from she had sent tens of thousands of texts
01:04:08
and emails to herself dave and any other women whom dave took an interest in the i.t expert calculated that liz must
01:04:18
have spent between 40 to 50 hours each week impersonating carrie favre [Music] the investigators decided to put liz's
01:04:30
penchant for sending emails to good use on december 14 2015 nine days after the shooting in big lake park they asked liz
01:04:40
to come in for an interview sitting her down in his office detective dodie explained that he needed her help
01:04:49
some human remains had recently been found and they were believed to belong to carrie father but they were still
01:04:56
waiting for dna to confirm the match liz listened keenly as detective dodie explained that all he needed was some
01:05:04
evidence to put his case together perhaps some evidence that amy had harmed carrie
01:05:12
a few days later emails started trickling into the detective's inbox liz was forwarding messages that
01:05:21
appeared to have come from amy flora first confessing to shooting liz then describing in graphic detail how she had
01:05:29
attacked killed and disposed of carrie as they collated these confessions over the next couple of months waiting for
01:05:38
evidence they could use the detectives contacted dave krupa to share their suspicions with him
01:05:46
concerned that liz might decide to attack amy while they were still putting their case together the detectives told
01:05:53
dave that he should move back in with amy and their two children for protection but they also had an ulterior motive in
01:06:02
making this suggestion they hoped that seeing dave with amy would push liz to breaking point
01:06:11
sure enough when liz found out that dave was staying with his ex she called detective dodie demanding to know why
01:06:19
amy hadn't been arrested yet the detective apologized explaining that they just didn't have enough evidence
01:06:27
tying amy to carry a few hours later some emails arrived that contained information only someone
01:06:35
who'd been close to carrie could know they described a yin-yang tattoo on carrie's thigh as well as the layout and
01:06:43
furnishings of her home they also specified that carrie had been attacked in her own ford explorer
01:06:52
on february 25 2016 after identifying carrie's blood inside her car the detectives executed a search
01:07:01
warrant for liz golia's apartment while she was at work meanwhile officers were sent to her
01:07:08
workplace to arrest her under the guise of some traffic violations [Music] because it seemed that carrie had been
01:07:20
attacked at dave cooper's home in nebraska not pottawatomie county in iowa where she was reported missing a
01:07:27
detective from the omaha police department was brought in to interview liz she denied any knowledge of carrie's
01:07:35
whereabouts or involvement in her disappearance and promptly hired a lawyer at liz's apartment police found a black
01:07:44
and white shower curtain with a distinctive floral pattern it matched one that had been bought at a
01:07:52
discount store using carrie father's debit card several days after she was last seen
01:07:59
they also found a digital camera and a red sony camcorder that had gone missing from carrie's home
01:08:06
on the camera was a brief clip that had been filmed on sunday november 11 2012. two days before carrie went missing
01:08:17
the footage showed carrie filming herself in her house and saying so thursday night
01:08:25
apparently somebody here in the whopping metropolis of macedonia iowa decided max's explorer was not the right color
01:08:35
carrie then took the camera outside and aimed it at her black ford explorer which she was planning on giving to her
01:08:41
son max someone had vandalised the bonnet with white spray paint detectives suspected that liz golia was
01:08:51
responsible for the attack that wasn't the only evidence that she'd been stalking carrie in the days before
01:08:59
her disappearance as well as the phone records revealing liz had called carrie's home number
01:09:06
two fake facebook accounts had attempted to add carrie as a friend right before she went missing
01:09:14
both claimed to be from macedonia the same town as carrie but misspelt the town's name in the same distinctive way
01:09:26
despite the fact that liz golia was obsessed with being the only woman in dave cooper's life detectives discovered
01:09:33
that she hadn't even been single when they met in 2010 liz started dating a man named
01:09:40
eric not his real name eric was under the impression that the two were exclusive and was a supportive
01:09:48
partner to liz he helped her out financially assisted with looking after her two children and
01:09:55
invited them all to move in with him when liz was evicted from her house in 2013.
01:10:03
when liz's home burnt down in august of that year it coincided with a period when she and dave cooper weren't seeing
01:10:10
each other every time dave's attention drifted from liz an increase in carrie's stalking
01:10:18
activity or an attack against liz would follow she and the children were already living
01:10:25
with eric when her house was set on fire nothing of value was lost in the blaze with the exception of lizza's four pets
01:10:33
which included two small dogs that eric had paid for a couple of months after carrie father
01:10:42
disappeared eric had started receiving text messages and emails from someone named carrie who claimed to know liz
01:10:51
when he asked liz about the matter she confirmed that carrie was her friend eric eventually grew tired of liz who
01:11:00
was cruel and made fun of him behind his back he ended their relationship and she
01:11:06
moved out of his house at the end of 2015 around the same time that she was shot
01:11:15
while liz was living under eric's roof she used his wi-fi and some of his electronic devices
01:11:22
as it happened eric was employed by pottawatomie county's i.t department and reported to the same expert who had
01:11:30
investigated liz's phone data this meant his computer system was linked to the county's network and law
01:11:38
enforcement could access long-term records of his household's internet activity detectives were able to strengthen their
01:11:47
case against liz by tracing exactly what she had done online while connected to eric's wifi
01:11:53
[Music] liz golia was charged with first degree murder on tuesday december 27 2016
01:12:06
another charge of second-degree arson was added for the crime of burning down her own home
01:12:12
her lawyer publicly defended eliz in the press explaining that without carrie father's body investigators really had
01:12:20
no proof that she wasn't still alive somewhere investigators had repeatedly asked to
01:12:28
dave cooper if he had any additional electronic devices that they could look at for evidence but he couldn't think of
01:12:35
any then in early 2017 he suddenly remembered that he had a tablet computer stashed away in storage which liz had
01:12:45
sometimes used while the two were dating dave retrieved the tablet and police found a micro sd memory card
01:12:54
inside which had also been used in liz's cell phone the card had been wiped but through
01:13:02
meticulous work the department's it expert was able to recover thousands of deleted photographs that had once been
01:13:09
stored there he scrolled through photo after photo of liz among the selfies and pictures of her
01:13:18
children he reached some images that were completely different in tone several showed a blue and grey tarp
01:13:27
spread out over an unseen object showed what looked like skin with a yin-yang symbol on it
01:13:37
then there was a picture of some chinese characters inked onto what looked like reddish-colored flesh
01:13:44
a forensic expert confirmed that the photograph was of a human foot in the process of decomposition
01:13:54
when investigators checked with carrie father's mother she told them that carrie had the chinese word for mother
01:14:00
tattooed on her left foot it was a perfect match to the characters shown in the photo
01:14:10
detectives later told the abc television program 2020 how disturbing they'd found
01:14:16
the image to them it seemed like a trophy it was also the crucial piece of evidence that they needed to prove their
01:14:26
case when the defense found out about the evidence liz gollier waived her right to
01:14:34
a jury trial instead opting for a bench trial in which a judge would decide her fate her lawyer presented no evidence
01:14:44
and liz golia did not testify meanwhile the prosecution's case was extensive relying on numerous witnesses
01:14:53
and mountains of evidence much of it relating to liz's online activities on wednesday may 24 2017
01:15:03
shanna elizabeth gollier was found guilty on both counts was sentenced to life imprisonment for
01:15:12
carrie's murder and 18 to 20 years for the arson with the sentences to run consecutively
01:15:20
while carrie's loved ones celebrated upon hearing the verdict liz golia turned red and closed her eyes as she
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was escorted from the courtroom in 2020 author leslie rule the daughter of famed true crime writer ian rule
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published a book about the case titled a tangled web in researching liz golia's background
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and early life rule made some troubling discoveries [Music] after losing her entire family at a very
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young age and experiencing a difficult upbringing in the foster care system liz married and was divorced by age 22
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at 23 she gave birth to her first child a boy she named cody golia cody cried a lot and members of his
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extended family thought he seemed like an extremely unhappy baby but liz said he was just colicky
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one morning liz's 21 year old boyfriend neil munson who wasn't cody's father was
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looking after a five-month-old cody while liz was at work neil's mother gloria was helping him and
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noticed how strangely quiet cody was he remained that way for the entire day at around 5 p.m gloria went to check on
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cody and was horrified to discover he wasn't breathing an ambulance was called and cody was
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rushed to hospital but he was pronounced dead shortly after the cause of death was found to be a
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serious brain injury caused by cody being forcefully shaken neil munson who had an intellectual
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disability was grilled by investigators for hours while he admitted to sometimes playfully
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throwing cody in the air he said that the baby had always laughed and enjoyed the game
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as the officers continued to press him neil acknowledged that he might have thrown cody higher than usual that day
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neil munson was eventually charged with killing cody but not everyone was convinced that neil
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was responsible when neil's mother gloria realised how sick cody was she asked neil if anything
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strange had happened recently he'd mentioned that liz had called him at work the previous night and told him
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to hurry home because she dropped the baby multiple people in liza's life including
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cody's father suspected that she had something to do with the infant's death she seemed unusually cheerful in the
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days after cody died at neil's trial he pleaded guilty after a series of incriminating letters
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emerged that he had supposedly sent to liz from prison dramatic with overwritten flowery prose
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the letters declared neil's undying love for liz and asked her to say she'd dropped cody in order to quote
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set me free neil never denied writing the letters but those close to him believe they were
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far beyond his capabilities as a writer author leslie rule has attempted to track down the original letters to study
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their handwriting pointing out that liz golia is now on the record as someone known to forge
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confessions in another person's name [Music] so far rule has been unable to find them
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[Music] neil munson was paroled after eight and a half years he is now a father of two and his family
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staunchly believes in his innocence for years dave cooper believed he was being stalked by carrie father a woman
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who'd he'd felt connected to from the moment they met his initial affection for carrie had
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turned to hatred before he finally learned the truth upon realising liz was behind it all
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some things finally started to make sense dave recalled one evening he'd returned
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home late from a local bar and spotted liz in the dark army crawling on the ground away from his apartment
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he called out to her but she ignored him as she slithered away into the night as soon as he entered his home he
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received a flurry of text from liz apologising and explaining that she was drunk and had no idea what she was doing
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[Music] the thought that carrie lost her life because she met him has been too painful
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for dave krupa to process and has left him racked with guilt dave has given numerous interviews about
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his experiences with liz explaining to author leslie rule that he plans on appearing in every television program
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that nancy rainey does so he can help her share carrie's story nancy has said dave is a victim who just
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like her daughter was in the wrong place at the wrong time she knows that carrie would want dave to
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forgive himself carrie's son max is now at university and is following her example by studying
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computer science a scholarship in carrie's name has also been established at iowa western
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community college her former school as a way of keeping carrie's legacy of kindness alive
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for years carrie's loved ones were tormented by the knowledge that something terrible had happened to her
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and whoever was responsible was taunting them although they doubted carrie could still
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be alive liz golia's messages sometimes made it impossible to give up hope one time nancy was told carrie was
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waiting for her at a homeless shelter in omaha nancy had rushed to the shelter overjoyed at the thought of seeing her
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daughter again but when she arrived she was told no one there had seen carrie in an interview with the omaha world
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herald newspaper nancy shared carrie's hopes for how her life would be celebrated after her passing
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she wanted to be cremated and thrown to the wind unfortunately nancy may never be able to
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do this for her daughter while pretending to be amy liz golia claimed she burned carrie's remains then
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threw them in the garbage if this is true it would be impossible for authorities to recover them
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although nancy was upset that she couldn't fulfill carrie's wish she was thinking of holding a celebration in her
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honor stating she would have wanted a party and a big gathering she loved life i just wish she could have had more of
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