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a recap of part 2 Brady and Hindley continued their killing spree murdering Keith Bennett on the 16th of June 1964
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seven months after the murder of John kilbride two months later English sister Maureen married David Smith's Brady in
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Hindley had virtually nothing to do with David and Maureen prior to their marriage and Hindley in particular
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didn't approve but after the marriage they became close Brady and Hindley murdered Leslie and Downey on the 26th
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of December 1964 Brady tape recorded some of what happened and took photographs after the death of David and
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Maureen's child Angela thorne Brady became even closer to David slowly trying to manipulate him and bring him
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into his inner sanctum he gave David the same books to read that he had given Hindley and started talking about murder
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and how there was nothing wrong with taking a life Hindley became jealous of their friendship and worried that Brady
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was getting careless and revealing too much information to David Brady eventually revealed to David he had
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killed before but David didn't believe him on the 6th of October 1965 Brady met Edward Evans at Manchester central
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railway station he invited him to his in Hindley's house at sixteen Waddle Brook
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Avenue Hattersley for drinks when they got there instructed Hindley to go get David to
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join them when David got to the house he witnessed Brady murder Edward with an axe
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after months of molding David this was Brady's attempt to try and get him to join him in murder David helped clean up
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and told Brady and Hindley what they wanted to hear but it all blow up in Brady's face when David called the
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police and they found Edward's body still in the house Brady had always planned to shootout with police but it
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was caught off-guard Brady was sitting on the sofa writing a letter to his boss when the police turned up his in English
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guns were locked away upstairs Brady claims he and Edward into a fight and he killed him in
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self-defense even though Edward had been hit with the axe 14 times Brady was charged with his murder and Hindley was
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charged with being an accessory to Edwards murder in his interviews with police David Smith said Brady had told
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him about other murders he had committed although David didn't believe him at the
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time he said Brady specifically mentioned taking people from Manchester and burying them on the moors police
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started searching through missing persons files in the cases of Pauline Reade Keith Bennett Leslie and Danny and
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john Kilbride jumped out of them detective Joseph commander you noticed some odd looking photographs in the
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albums of Brady and Hindley there were photos of mostly dirt he believed were taken on the moors a search was
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organized and they tried to match the photos to the specific places that were taken on the moors
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not an easy task considering the Moors covers an area of 400 square miles Brady and Hindley kept there hard exteriors
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showing no remorse for Edward and refusing to tell the police anything about the other cases Brady and
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Hindley's 11-year old neighbor paddy Masterton was able to help police narrow their search on the moors she pointed
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out a spot Brady and Hindley always took her to man Z noticed that the black rocks in that area matched the rocks in
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some of the photos a gut instinct led officer Roberts fished the search up on a hill where he found the body of Lesley
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Ann Tierney police had also found the suitcases Brady kept with incriminated material they found photos of Lesley and
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a tape they were getting ready to re-interview Brady and Hindley about Leslie and Donny
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[Music] on the morning of Monday October 18th 1965 Brady and Hindley appeared separately at the Magistrates Court for
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a remand hearing in relation to the Edward Evans case Brady appeared first wearing his suit it
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already been charged with Edwards murder so he was remanded for another three days as Hindley was arriving to the
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court she was advised to put a scarf over her head she didn't understand why until she exited the van and was
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confronted by an angry crowd yelling and screaming at her she was formally charged with well knowing Brady had
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murdered Edward and subsequently received comforted Harvard assisted and maintained him afterwards they met back
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at Hyde police stations canteen where they saw Brady's solicitor who discussed their defense while they were together
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Hindley reminded Brady how much she loved him and he told her he loved her too at 2:30 p.m. Brady was taken to an
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interview room by himself Detective Chief Superintendent Arthur Benfield and superintendent
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Robert Terrell stormed into the room and through Leslie and Downey's socks shoes
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and necklace beads on the table Benfield said these garments were recovered from
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the more near Greenfield late Saturday night this clothing has been identified as Lesley and Downey's
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whose body was recovered at the same time and place I have reason to believe that the photographs of the naked girl
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which were found in your suitcase are of Lesley and Downey would you like to say
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anything about these photographs Brady not at present Benfield I'd like you near to listen to a tape recording Brady
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I know the tape while it was playing Brady bowed his head and covered his face with his hands until it finished
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once it was over Ben field said you say you know the tape the voices appear to be those of yourself and the Myra enter
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Leslie and Donny Brady she didn't say the name D&E it was something else Benfield and Talbot was surprised at the
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admission however it was cut short when Brady said he did photograph Leslie but it was two other men who had brought her
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to the house when the photos were done the two men left with Leslie and he never saw her again
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the interview ended at 8:05 p.m. and Brady refused to sign their position notes been filled and Talbot moved on to
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Hindley been filled through the black wig on the table and said what's this Hindley remained silent
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been filled through the photographs of Leslie on the table followed by her socks shoes and a necklace Hindley bowed
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her head and put her hands against her face just like Brady had then she covered her mouth with a handkerchief
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Benfield told her they knew the photos have been taken on Boxing Day the same day Leslie disappeared he told her the
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version Brady gave about the two men bringing Leslie to their house in Dooley said I'm saying nothing Ben field played
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the tape and Hindley closed her eyes she started crying while it was playing when
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it finished the Ben field said did you hear that Hindley I'm ashamed I'm saying nothing the interview ended at 9:45 p.m.
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they showed David Smith the photos to David said he now understood what Brady meant by photographic proof and that
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just by seeing those pictures he knew there was no way Leslie was ever returning home they also played David
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the tape and he broke down crying although they weren't answering many questions and Liam Brady was still
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actively blaming David Smith for the murders as a tactic to see if David was perhaps more involved than he was
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letting on officers gave Maureen and David's father false stories of David confessing these tactics left both
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Maureen and David's father confused and hurt but David Smith stuck to his story and maintained his innocence the one
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detective David still felt believed him was Mountie after the discovery of Leslie and Downey's body the coverage of
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the case exploded the canteen in hide police station became a press room police gave press conferences daily it
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was one of the first cases to get continuous heavy coverage on television at times there were over 200 journalists
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of the Moors and the case remained in the newspaper headlines permanently after finding Leslie's body the search
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of the Moors continued under mansi's command many people started to come forward stating they'd seen Brady and
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Hindley in different parts of Saddleworth Moor Mian Z wanted to check out every single place and see if any
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more of them could be linked to the photographs they found Manzi had several of the photos enlarged
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the enlargements were then passed on to searching officers to try and help them match the spot on the mall four days
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after they found a Leslie's body Mandy's boss called him to his office and said what are you doing buggering about on
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the moors come on it's time you got back to work that same day Ben fields said in
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a press conference I don't believe there are any more bodies on the moor still Manzi persisted
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the Manchester Evening News ran an article that day headlined hundreds flocked to watch more hunt the article
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detailed how large amounts of people were visiting the mall and watching the police search some stopped in for a few
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minutes others came with flasks and sandwiches and settled in for a picnic a police
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officer who was there called it morbid curiosity at its worst back at Hindley in Brady's house at 16
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waddle Brook Avenue Detective Chief Inspector John Terrell was going through the bookshelf when he found him Billy's
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old prayer book Carney had given her when she was 16 when he flicked through the pages the spine made a small noise
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he lifted it up to take a better look and saw that a slip of paper was rolled tightly and pushed into the spine it was
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the receipt for the locker for Brady's two suitcases the receipt was for the most recent deposit October 5th 1965 the
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day before the murder of Edward Evans Tyrell remembered the disposal plan written by Brady on the three sheets of
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paper the disposal plan had code words such as PB and tick which Terrell now knew stood for prayer book and ticket
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despite Brady's claims the disposal plan was written after Edwards murder this proved that was written before the next
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day Thursday October 21st Brady and Hindley were charged with the murder of Leslie and Downey at Hyde Magistrates
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Court when the charges were read out Hindley responded it's not true Brady said not guilty Hindley was provided
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with legal aid and they'll both taken back to recently remand Center back at the Moore miyanji court office hermus
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header a crime scene officer he told mass headed to bring his camera to the mall and to make sure the press didn't
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follow him when mass header arrived miyanji guided him to a spot on the mall and gave him one particular photograph
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that studia the photo with Hindley holding puppet crouching down looking at the ground
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my auntie told Macedo to look at the spot that was standing in and compare it to the photograph Macedo believed it was
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the same place to be certain he took a new photograph and compared it it was identical the two of them were joined by
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another detective enter the inspector who had been present when Leslie and Danny was found the inspector pushed his
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stick into the ground pulled it out and smelled the end of it it smelled of putrefaction they started
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digging and only 9 inches down they found a small black shoe underneath the shoe they found socks and a little
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further down they found what appeared to be a human heel Manzi was at first excited but when he crouched down and
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started looking closer he became deeply affected by what he was seeing he stood back up and told one of the detectives
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to go back to the station and let their supervisor know me as he said tell him we found a John kilbride soon all of the
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superiors from the different police jurisdictions appeared pathologists were also called in at 3:30 p.m. pathologist
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G and paulsen began to excavate the body the body was 340 meters away from where
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Leslie and Danny was found into less than 18 inches below the surface the entire body was so severely decomposed
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that both pathologists were careful to dig by the sides trying to keep the remains intact
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Manzi was correct it was the body of John killbride John was clothed except for his trousers and underwear which
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were knotted together at his back and left the detectives in no doubt as to what had happened John's body was lifted
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into a stretcher covered in plastic sheeting and taken to upper mill more tree Paulson and G conducted the
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postmortem but were unable to establish a cause of death means he went to see the kill brides and
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took the shoe with him John's brother Danny remembered his mother Sheila recognized the shoe as soon as she saw
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it danni Kilbride stated quote I was told that he'd been strangled but no more than that I can't say it was a relief
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that he'd been found everybody imagines it must have been I know it meant we were able to have a burial and had
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somewhere to lay flowers for him but I didn't want my brother to be found dead and I'm positive my mum and dad felt the
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same way relief was the last thing any of us felt Sheila was taken to the mortuary to
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formally identify John and upon seeing him she said quote they cleaned up as best they could
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but I'll never forget it I'd altered his jacket I'd ordered his underwear his father's underwear
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because I wasn't rich I couldn't always buy him new I knew it was him the buttons on the jacket footballs but
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stitched on myself there was no doubt at all officer Pat Clayton who worked closely with me auntie was standing with
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Sheila when she identified John she said quote it was her child that was being identified but there was no child to
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identify only clothing it was horrendous that murder and particularly when you see pictures of a woman which she later
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learn is a picture of a woman standing over the grave of a child that's just been buried dump like a bag of rubbish
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on the moors it's horrific two officers were left in the Moore's to guard the burial site
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overnight since two bodies had now been found the search of the Mohr's was allowed to continue Ben field changed
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his mind he declared he was now certain there were more bodies in the area Brady
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and Hindley's landscape photographs were distributed among local cycling and hiking clubs in the hope they might be
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able to help point out specific spots the search itself moved back to Woodhead again where over 100 volunteers went
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over the snake' pass which is a spot David Smith had pointed out in the beginning however the weather was
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starting to become a problem since there were night Frost's strong winds and thick mists during the day which made it
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impossible to see clearly the police concentrated on building a strong case against Brady and Hindley and pieced
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together as much evidence as they could one detective was able to match the headboard and marks on the wall in Hindu
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with a headboard and marks on the wall that appeared in the photos of Leslie confirming the photos were taken in
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Hindley's room a team of experts also proved that the camera used to take the photos of Leslie was a Brady's camera
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the forensic team finished with the inspection at 16 Waddle Brook Avenue on October 25th after which they moved on
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to David Smith's former home at 13 Wilde Street Gorton where he lived with Maureen and his father the house that
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was only a few doors away from Pauline Reed's house they removed the floorboards removed wallpaper and took
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samples from every surface they found a blood near a window but David explained it was his blood he
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had cut himself while installing a new pane of glass police confirmed this story with Jane Reed Pauline's mother
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who was the one who bandaged David's wrist after it happened this occurred only two months after
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Pauline disappeared the forensic team then went to 18 Westmoreland Street Brady's former home Brady's mother
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Maggie had left and gone to Glasgow to stay with Brady's foster family the Sloane's Maggie suffered a breakdown
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when she found out Brady had murdered children the press constantly staking out their home didn't help either
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Brady's stepfather Patrick went with police to his former home and assisted their search the forensic team didn't
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find anything since Brady had spent most of his time at Hindley's house there was
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nothing linking him to the crimes at all at Westmoreland Street on Thursday October 28th Brady and Hindley were
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driven to another remand hearing in height magistrate's court it was raining heavily and Hindley was surprised to see
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so many angry people waiting for them the outside in the public gallery people shouted shame and monsters among the
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gallery were Patrick and Terrance Downey Leslie's father and uncle they were planning on loosening wooden floor
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blocks from the court and throwing them at Brady in Hindley however their appearance in the courtroom was only
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brief and delet didn't get the chance Tarrant said I would have smashed their heads in if only I could have snatched
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that up in time Terrence tried to gain the outside when Brady and Hindley were taken away in a
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car he ran towards it and tried to force open the door he was tackled to the ground by police
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but little did he know it was the wrong car due to the large angry mobs that were
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gathering and of the threats made to Hindley and Brady the police arranged decoys Terrence had been tricked by the
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decoys Brady and Hindley was still inside waiting for the crowd to disperse Brady and Hindley weren't the only ones
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targeted David and Maureen copped it as well after the court appearance was over
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they were chased through the streets after that court appearance Brady and Hindley were taken to Ashton underline
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police station for further questioning Nancy and another detective questioned Brady mounts he showed him some of the
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landscape photos they found and suggested the Brady there were markers for the burial sites Brady denied it and
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said he had no idea what music was talking about Nancy showed him this Pacific photo where they found a John
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kill bride's burial site and said this photograph was taken by you showing your girlfriend crowding over John kill
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bride's grave how can you possibly say you know nothing about his death Brady kept annoying
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in another interview room in Dooley was questioned by Terrell and another detective she was shown the same picture
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t'rul said where was that taken in Dooley I don't know Cyril who took it in glee
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probably a.m. Terrell what are you looking at in this photo Hindley my dog puppet Terrell you were
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looking at the ground Hindley didn't respond Terrell has anyone other than Ian taking pictures of
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you at the more Inslee david has Terrell these photos were taken to mark the graves of your victims Hindley no they
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just pictures they have no significance whatsoever Terrell told her Maureen had given them a statement saying Hindley
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had become a different person after meeting Brady Hindley responded I made all my own
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decisions people go through several stages in their lives after discussions they change their minds
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Ian never made me do anything I didn't want to do all that about killing is bloody rubbish when asked about John
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Kilbride specifically Hindley said Ian didn't kill Kilbride and I didn't kill Kilbride I never set eyes on Kilbride
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before Hindley then said David Smith was the one who brought Leslie and Downey to
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their house at 16 waddle Brook Avenue he was with another man and after Brady took the photos of Leslie they left with
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her the same story Brady had given Hindley claimed David had fabricated a story in the hours after Edward Evans
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murder and clean up to paint himself as innocent he then called the police to try and put the blame on her and Brady
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the detectives paused the interview and in another attempt to break in Dooley Terrell prepared a special album of
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photographs there were regular photos of landscapes on some pages but on others there were pictures of the extreme
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bodies of Leslie and John the photos were random so Hindley wouldn't know what was coming the interview started
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again and demands he opened the album and turned the pages for him to lead to see after Hindley saw pictures of the
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bodies she looked away and said I don't want to see any more but Manzi kept on turning the pages and
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moved the album closer to her Hindley ended up shouting take them away I'm not looking at them Manzi started
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pacing the room and recited a line from the Bible suffer little children to come
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unto me and forbid them not for of such is the kingdom of God Hindley had to head down and didn't say
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anything at 8:10 p.m. the interview ended eons he tried the same tactic with Brady Brady didn't say much about the
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photographs but he did admit taking the photo of Hindley on John's grave he also
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confessed the taking the photos of Leslie they found in his suitcase and to landscape photos of where she was buried
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he admitted to hitting Edward Evans with an axe 14 times he admitted to writing the disposal plan
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and previously telling David Smith he had killed and buried bodies on the mall they had more evidence on Brady than
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they had on Hindley ingly didn't say anything so although there was a photograph of her crouching on John's
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burial site police couldn't prove she knew there was a body underneath they had her on tape when Leslie's photos
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were being taken but the tape didn't prove she was present when Leslie was killed and although she was present at
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the murder of Edward Evans and participated in the cleanup Brady admitted to being the one who murdered
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him and David Smith's statement supported Brady's claim David Smith was still being interviewed by police
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constantly they were looking for cracks in his story trying to break him to see if he knew more than he was letting on
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by the end of his interviews police were convinced David Smith was telling the truth reporters were camped outside
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David's house trying to get him interview they offered money but he knows early days of the investigation he
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refused to talk he got so fed up with the media that he threw [ __ ] at the cars he knew
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belonged to reporters the search of the Mohr's continued and Air Force jets with
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infrared equipment were used the search was postponed on the 30th of October due
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to heavy rain and strong winds and after that day the search started to wind down
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police gave out a questionnaire to over 5,000 households in Hattersley asking about suspicious activities in the area
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police thought Kingsley's dog puppet to a vet to determine his age they wanted to compare his current age to the age he
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was in the photo with Hindley on Johnsbury also a puppet was given an anaesthetic and had his teeth x-rayed
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however when the examination was over puppet didn't wake up he suffered from a previous illness that caused his heart
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to fail during the anaesthetic when Hindley was informed about puppets death she screamed at the police that they
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were murderers on November 4th Brady and Hindley appeared for a last remand hearing the size of the angry crowd
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increased with every court appearance and two more officers had to be called in to control the mob soon after the
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last remand hearing Hindley wrote her first letter to her mother Nelly from prison she asked for decent Hills
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because she felt like a [ __ ] in her current clothes which were actually Nellie's clothes
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she also said she'd never felt so hurt in her life when she was told puppet was dead she ended the letter with the
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following line this letter will probably be censored if you should write at all do not mention anything regarding the
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cases on Wednesday November 10th the more we searched for the last time Benfield wanted to excavate the entire
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hollenberg null area of the moor but to do it they would have had to divert gas pipelines which would have cost 10
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million pounds so the excavation didn't take place man Z's wife Margaret said this quote Jo didn't want the search to
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end he felt sure they would find the other missing children he never forgot he often went up to the moors even many
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years later just to stand at the roadside I've been with him we'd go and he'd say quietly this is it he knew we
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all knew that there were other victims up there unfound on Monday December 6 committal proceedings against Brady and
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Hindley commenced at Hyde Magistrates Court the committal would determine if there was enough evidence to send the
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case to trial reporters from all over the world attended hindley were reflect suit with a yellow
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blouse she'd been saving especially for the court she sat next to Brady and they
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took notes together and joked in hushed voices when they were traveling back to Rizzoli after the first day of the
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committal they talked about dogs Brady said when you're driving you must always run over a dog to avoid running over an
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individual Hindley replied oh I couldn't do that on December 7th the prosecution presented
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their case when they were traveling back to Rizzoli after that court day Brady told Hindley he was considering killing
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himself but it would all depend how the trial went Hindley believed that Brady needed her in that moment more than ever
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on December 8th the prosecution's star witness took the stand David Smith he was provided with immunity in relation
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to helping clean up after Edward Evans murder there was a general feeling of discontent amongst the community when
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they heard that decision David spoke in such a low voice that microphones had to
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be brought into the court so he could be heard when he left the stand he looked at Brady Brady gave him a note of
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acknowledgement in the smile just like he had the day he was arrested after David Maureen took the stand and Hindley
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commented about it in a letter to her mother she wrote did you read the law as Maureen told in court about me hating
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babies and children she wouldn't look at me in the dock mum she couldn't she kept
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her face turned down the photographs found at 16 water Brook Avenue were presented to the court Hindley believed
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these had been returned to her mother and she wrote in a letter keep all the photos for us for reasons on December
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13th Hindley solicitors applied for a hairdressing appointment on her behalf stating her dark roots are becoming very
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obvious this fact has been a subject of press comment which is naturally a source of irritation to our client the
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request was denied on December 14th and Danny Leslie's mother took the stand as she was
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describing the events that took place on Boxing Day in 1964 she suddenly grabbed
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the sides of the witness box and started screaming and Hindley I'll kill you I'll
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kill you she can sit staring at me and she took a little baby's life that beast a
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detective was sitting below the witness box and in that moment he turned around and grabbed the water jug that was close
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by which end was reaching for as she screamed and continued yelling and calling Hindley a [ __ ] until her voice
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wavered and she started crying Hindley stared at her and whispered to Brady I'm not a [ __ ] Brady squeezed her hand
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affectionately and whispered back no I know you're not on December 14th the court made the public compressed sleeved
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the room in order to play the tape a BBC technician from Manchester had improved
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the quality of it and every sound it was now very clear the prosecution then moved on to present John kill Brides
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case the jacket and worn on the day of the murder was unwrapped from a plastic cover and shown to the court the
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courtroom was overwhelmed by the smell on December 16th the weather outside was so bad
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Brady and ingly couldn't be taken back to Rizzoli remand Center so they spent the night in the cells below the court
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the next morning Hindley asked for a bag of makeup the guard ignored her instead
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handing her a cup of tea that he had poured salt into on Monday December 20th the committal proceedings ended the
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judge ruled there was enough evidence for a trial in all three cases a few days before Christmas Brady's solicitor
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gave Brady and Hindley each a book of poetry he left them alone for a few minutes and in that time Brady gave
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Hindley a notebook while she was in her cell she read it and it contained coded stories of sexual cruelty towards
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children the way the code worked was that Brady wrote letters to Hindley and if the date of that letter was
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underlined and meant the letter had a coded message in it the seventh and eighth word of every line within the
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letter would have to be separated and at the end of it putting those words together would create a short story
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after reading the first thorry Hindley started responding with coded letters as well
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they worked as stimulation for Brady they also planned to get married they realized if they were married in Delhi
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could not be forced to testify against Brady hindley filled in the application forms but permission was refused
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Brady solicitor tried getting back the photographs for them Baden hindley were able to look through them and select the
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ones they especially wanted to keep both were seen by forensic psychiatrist Brady spoke mostly irrelevantly but
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Hindley spoke eloquently the psychiatrist told her she was very well read in English snapped at him saying
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what for a murderess I don't like being taken for a working class he did the psychiatrist asked her to have an aeg
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exam which would detect any abnormalities in the brain but Hindley refused to have it done in March 1966
00:30:45
after he and Maureen had been bashed by the public repeatedly David Smith ended up attacking a group of teenagers who
00:30:52
called him the third Moore's murderer and he yelled out at him you're no bloody good without that axe Smith
00:30:58
shortly after in Leslie's mother rang the doorbell at David and Maureen's house she'd come with Allen West and her
00:31:05
brother the three of them were drunk after being led in in David that told the truth at the trial so that Brady and
00:31:12
Hindley could be put away forever David told her he would do everything he could
00:31:17
as he didn't want them to be a lady out of prison either as she talked and kept looking at Maureen and Maureen excused
00:31:24
herself to gala make tea for everyone when Maureen came out of the kitchen with the tea in launched at her and
00:31:30
pushed her against the wall Maureen immediately protected her stomach since she was pregnant as Ian started hitting
00:31:36
her it happened in a split second and a first David didn't react but then he instinctively grabbed in as he did so
00:31:44
Allen West went for David David's father who lived with them heard the commotion
00:31:48
and came to help as he did so he ended up fighting with Ann's brother David and his father managed to get the three out
00:31:55
of the flat as they were leaving they screamed bastards you no different than those two [ __ ] bastards you should be
00:32:02
hung the lot of you when david and his father walked back into the flat they saw myrin crouching
00:32:08
down on the floor still protecting her stomach and crying they bent kneeled by her side and held her by the end of
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March Hindley got her request to bleach her hair approved and right before the trial
00:32:20
she wrote to her mother saying I had my hair done on Saturday it looked so nice that I'm sorry that I'm all dressed up
00:32:26
and have nowhere to go what was called the trial of the century commenced on Tuesday April 19th 1966 it
00:32:36
took place in the court of Chester Assizes in the town of Chester since it was the main town of Cheshire County 150
00:32:44
reporters arrived in Chester to cover the trial there were press rooms within the building with telephones for the
00:32:49
reporters who couldn't get a seat inside the courtroom 300 officers were brought
00:32:54
in to control the angry crowds they knew would appear outside the trial was going
00:32:59
to be filmed and televised by the BBC but on the second day of the hearing it was decided that the details involving
00:33:05
the case were too shocking and only the verdicts would be broadcast a number of authors appeared as well and those who
00:33:12
wanted to enter the court had to be selected since there were only 60 seats available inside the jury was comprised
00:33:19
of men only and leading the case against Brady and Hindley was Attorney General Sir Frederick Ellen Jones QC he'd been
00:33:27
the prosecution counsel at the Nuremberg war trials and only appeared in cases of
00:33:31
national security or the most serious murder cases Brady and Hindley's defense councils had asked for them to be tried
00:33:38
separately but the judge decided they should be tried together the Attorney General opened the proceedings by
00:33:45
outlining the crimes their background and warning the court they'd have to hear a harrowing audio tape and examine
00:33:51
distressing photographs the second day of the trial opened with evidence from the prosecution the first witness Court
00:33:57
was Maureen originally she was listed the typist and later but her baby was due so they wanted to get her evidence
00:34:04
while they could arrangements were made to take her to hospital urgently if necessary in the witness stand she
00:34:11
described the relationship between Brady and Hindley the friendship between Brady
00:34:15
and David and confirmed Hindley had shopped at the market in ashed and underlined when caught
00:34:22
finished for the day Brady and Hindley were kept in cells at high police station for the night as
00:34:27
they slept a police ball was held on the floor above them on day three Maureen was
00:34:33
caught again and she described the night of Edward Evans murder she also admitted
00:34:38
on the stand that David was receiving a regular income from a national newspaper
00:34:41
and they stood to receive even more money for their story after the trot David Smith was called to the stand
00:34:48
after Maureen he was asked about the payments from the newspaper and turned out he was getting 20 pounds per week
00:34:54
they'd already taken a holiday in France paid by the same newspaper and for providing his post trial story David
00:35:02
would receive 1,000 pounds the background to this is that David had remained unemployed ever since the
00:35:09
arrests he and Maureen kept a lot of hate as well and many saw him as the third Moore's murderer they were pretty
00:35:15
much outcasts they rarely were able to get out of their own home due to being attacked both verbally and physically
00:35:22
David didn't have a way to provide for his family and he didn't know when he would be able to get a job again so he
00:35:28
accepted the offer from the newspaper when the information about the payment from the newspaper came out at trial it
00:35:34
condemned him even further in the eyes of the public the judge himself said the newspaper deal had given the defense a
00:35:41
stick with which to beat him David didn't help his cause when he said on the stand
00:35:46
I love having money it's gorgeous stuff on the fourth day of the trial detectives spoke about the day they
00:35:53
found a Edward Evans body the court was adjourned for the weekend and on Monday April 25th the evidence moved from
00:36:00
Edward Evans case to Lesley Ann Danny's case most of the witness statements were
00:36:05
just read onto the record but Patti Brady and Hindley's 11-year old neighbor who'd pointed the search in the right
00:36:11
direction gave her evidence and sat through cross-examination on April 28th the evidence moved to John Kilbride
00:36:19
during the trial Hindley and Brady played games on a notebook while passing means to each other in sharing whispered
00:36:25
comments on April 29th Brady's defense lawyer opened his case by stating it is terribly terribly important that you
00:36:34
dispose from your minds all the natural revulsion one has in reading or hearing evidence connected with the death of
00:36:39
children the very least or meanest person in this country is entitled to a fair and dispassionate trial and a
00:36:46
proper assessment of the evidence for and against Brady took the stand and elaborated further on his fight with
00:36:53
Edward he said he had spotted Edward at gay bars in Canal Street and to the entire purpose of David being there with
00:37:00
him that night was because they wanted to quote rola queer meaning Brady and David wanted to extort money from Edward
00:37:06
in exchange for silence about his sexuality after giving his version of Edwards murder
00:37:12
Brady spoke about Leslie he testified that Leslie had come to their house on Boxing Day with two men one of whom was
00:37:19
David Smith David and the other man then left with Leslie after the photos were taken
00:37:24
however Brady made two slip-ups the first one was when he was describing the moment after he took the photos he said
00:37:32
he put a handkerchief on her mouth and a scarf covering the lower part of her face just before the end the judge heard
00:37:39
this and asked just before the end what do you mean by the end Brady then tried to correct himself and
00:37:45
stuttering he said the end of just before the or it could be just after the tripod being opened he was allowed to
00:37:55
continue into then a minute later he made the second slip up this time he said after completion we all got dressed
00:38:03
and went downstairs this slip-up was mentioned in the cross-examination by the Attorney General but Brady denied he
00:38:10
ever said it his defense attorney also said he hadn't said it but one of the jurors interrupted he said that sir
00:38:17
Brady tried to get out of it by stating I didn't say that I said the girl got dressed then we all went downstairs the
00:38:24
girl the girl the Attorney General then brought up the landscape photographs and
00:38:30
put it to Brady that he used the photos for future reconnaissance and as morbid enjoyment of the trophies of the murders
00:38:38
whenever Brady could he tried to protect him Dooley with Edward he said she wasn't in the room during the killing
00:38:45
and that when he told her Edward was dead she went hysterical with Leslie he said she didn't want to be in the
00:38:51
room while she was photographed but he'd made her stay he also said that she asked him to destroy the tape recordings
00:38:57
and she was never involved in any plans of robbery on top of that when describing their relationship he made it
00:39:03
seem like she was unimportant he said she was my typist in the office I dictated to her in the office and this
00:39:10
tended to rap over the truth is that the two of them had a plan Brady knew he was
00:39:16
going away for a long time and there was no getting out of it but he was confident Hindley would receive a
00:39:21
minimal sentence and so he did all he could to keep her out of the crimes their plan was that after Hindley was
00:39:27
released she'd travel and share all her experiences with Brady through letters Hindley wrote the following in a letter
00:39:34
to her mother during the trial he's not concerned about his future just mine it's the same with me I'm not interested
00:39:41
in my future just him however we'll have to wait and see what happens I believe in one thing though that no matter how
00:39:48
black things look someday we can begin together again I know what we've done and what we haven't done you know - no
00:39:56
matter what happens on May 3rd Brady completed his testimony and Hindley's mother Nellie was called to the stand
00:40:05
Nellie told the court that no matter what Maureen had said Hindley did not shop at the market in gnashed and
00:40:11
underline after Nellie Hindley took the stand before she went to the witness box she passed a note to
00:40:18
her attorney that said I told you no cross-examination that damages a Hindley was first asked if she wanted to
00:40:26
take the oath or affirm and she answered I want to affirm the judge asked her if
00:40:31
it was because she had no religious beliefs and she said yes the first question the defense attorney asked her
00:40:38
was what her feelings were for Brady and she said I became very fond of him I loved him I still loved him she was
00:40:46
questioned during that day and the next the Attorney General asked her about Leslie Hindley said she was ashamed
00:40:52
about the tape and that her attitude towards Leslie had been cruel she said she was cruel because she was worried
00:40:59
the neighbors might hear her scream she testified that the only reason she was in the room when the photographs were
00:41:05
taken was to make sure Leslie would be able to leave safely afterwards however since she was embarrassed about being
00:41:12
there she kept on looking out the window and didn't actually see anything the Attorney General said a pretty rotten
00:41:19
witness she could have been looking out of the window when asked who toddlers leader posed for the photographs she
00:41:25
said she didn't know because she couldn't hear the Attorney General said it isn't the Albert Hall it's a small
00:41:32
room and you were there Hindley said the voice at the beginning of the recording
00:41:36
who threatened - Leslie - shut up wasn't hers but brady's when asked about the rest of the threats where she taught
00:41:43
Leslie she would hit her until he said I wouldn't have hit her much I never touched her I never harmed her when she
00:41:50
started crying and shouting and screaming I just wanted her to be quiet the Attorney General responded the
00:41:57
screams of a little girl of ten of your sex madam he added that Hindley should have
00:42:03
treated the lazily like a woman should treat a job Hindley said I should have done but I didn't I have no defense for
00:42:10
that the Attorney General finished with your shame is a counterfeit shame miss Hindley Hindley denied knowing she was
00:42:19
posing for photos of burial sites she said she just went along with whatever Brady told her to do she was in the
00:42:25
witness box for a total of six hours Brady had been in the box for nine in his closing speech the Attorney General
00:42:32
said that although David was no angel he told his story frankly and exactly as for Brady in Hindley he said they formed
00:42:41
an evil partnership together and cooperated together in all they did my submission is that the same pairs of
00:42:47
hands killed all three of these victims Evans Downey in a kill bribe and two these are the pairs of hands of the two
00:42:53
accused in the dock in his closing speech Hindley's defense attorney described their relationship as one of
00:43:00
master and servant in his summary to the jury the judge said from first to last there has not been the smallest
00:43:11
suggestion that either of these two was in any way mentally abnormal or not fully responsible for his or her actions
00:43:17
that leads on to this that if the prosecution is right you are dealing here with two killers of the utmost
00:43:24
depravity they are entitled to the unusual incredulity which such terrible offenses must raise in the mind of any
00:43:32
normal person could anybody be as wicked as that the jury was dismissed the 2:40
00:43:39
p.m. on Friday May 6 1966 they returned with a verdict two and a half hours later 5:10 p.m. Brady was found a guilty
00:43:50
of all three murders Hindley was found guilty of the murders of Edward Evans and Lesley Ann Downey but not guilty of
00:43:57
the murder of John kilbride however she was found guilty of knowing Brady had murdered John that she had received
00:44:03
comforted harbored assisted and maintained Brady an accessory after the fact after the verdicts were read the judge
00:44:11
said am Brady those were three calculated cruel cold-blooded murders in your case I
00:44:18
passed the only sentence the law now allows which is three concurrent sentences of life imprisonment in your
00:44:26
case Myra Hindley you've been found guilty of two equally horrible murders and in the third as an accessory after
00:44:33
the fact on the two murders the sentence is two concurrent sentences of life imprisonment and on the charge of being
00:44:40
an accessory after the fact to the death of John Kilbride a concurrent sentence of seven years imprisonment in the
00:44:48
corridor below the courtroom Brady and Hindley saw each other with their attorneys and Hindley asked him to
00:44:54
please not kill himself they returned to Rizzoli in separate compartments of the
00:44:59
same beam and after spending one last night there they were each sent to different prisons Hindley was sent to
00:45:05
Holloway prison in London over 320 kilometres from Manchester she was first kept in the hospital wing until it was
00:45:13
then safe for her to be put in general population she was accommodated in the D wing it wasn't long before the attack
00:45:20
started she was first hit by a fellow prisoner with a broom then she was invited to join a card game with ten
00:45:26
other prisoners when she accepted they all beat her and threw her against the wired fence
00:45:31
Hindley never fought back and didn't name her attackers she asked instead to be placed in solitary confinement a
00:45:38
doctor and the governor at the prison advised her that since she had such a long sentence ahead of her she should
00:45:44
endure the abuse because she couldn't be placed in solitary confinement permanently instead she was assigned a
00:45:50
prison guard to walk with her everywhere she went one week after her sentence she appealed
00:45:56
against her conviction on the grounds that it had been detrimental to be tried with Brady her appeal was denied she was
00:46:02
told that all her faculties were shown correctly during the trial and Brady tried to exonerate her at all times so
00:46:08
the fact that they were tried together was actually beneficial for her Hindley remained in close contact with Brady
00:46:15
through letters Brady was sent to Durham prison 205 kilometres from Manchester shortly after Brady got to prison
00:46:23
he was scolded by an inmate and placed in solitary confinement indefinitely he never left his cell he ate his meals
00:46:30
alone spend his time reading and had a mouse inside the cell that he fed whenever he took walks in the prison
00:46:37
yard he had to be escorted by three guards and the rest of the prisoners had the remain inside their cells Brady and
00:46:44
Hindley requested visits with one another but their requests were refused time and time again marine read about
00:46:51
one of the attacks on her sister in prison and gathered up the courage to send her a letter to ask how she was
00:46:56
doing she never received a reply in a letter Hindley wrote to Brady she said Smith must die marine to marine
00:47:06
and David's second child Paul Anthony Smith was born on May 9th 1966 three days after the trial ended David got the
00:47:15
1000 pounds from his deal with the news of the world but no money from syndication rights as promised every day
00:47:22
a council representative would appear at their flat to erase graffiti that was left outside their door saying things
00:47:27
like child killers live here and murdering bastards they were still hardly able to leave their flat so David
00:47:35
started taking walks in the middle of the night because it was the only time the streets were free of people and he
00:47:40
could go unharmed Maureen only left the flat to go shopping for the baby and when she did
00:47:45
she got spat on and caught various names she would return crying every time she stepped out of the house at one point
00:47:53
David was able to find a job and Maureen were excited that they might be able to
00:47:57
live somewhat normally again Maureen prepared him lunch to take on his first day but when David showed up he was met
00:48:04
by union workers at the front gate who told him to [ __ ] off because there was no place for him David
00:48:11
ran away fearful he was about to get bashed soon after this he received the social security letter informing him
00:48:17
that due to exceptional circumstances he was no longer required to seek employment his probation officer who was
00:48:24
in close contact with him offered to move them up north where they get new names and become anonymous David refused
00:48:31
he didn't want to run away like a criminal as he said he had done nothing plus he didn't believe it would work
00:48:37
anyway the entire country knew who they were during the summer David and Maureen
00:48:43
were visited by Emlyn Williams a renowned actor and writer who was researching a book on the murders he
00:48:50
asked David if he believed Brady was a quote queer David's answer was quote Ian's queerer than queer this line
00:49:00
became the title to the last chapter of the book Williams wrote called beyond belief which became a best-seller it was
00:49:07
a semi fictionalized account of the murders while researching the book Williams had access to Hindu Lee's diary
00:49:13
Hindu Lee was furious she write to Benfield asking how Williams had gotten access when her diaries were part of the
00:49:20
police evidence the book was going to be turned into a film Hindu Lee received a
00:49:25
contract to sign her consent but she refused to do so since she considered the book a pack of
00:49:30
lies the victims families also protested the film and it was never made On January 27th 1967 detectives visited
00:49:40
Hindley at Holloway prison to see if she would talk but she refused and told them
00:49:45
she couldn't help with the inquiries on Pauline or Keith or any other victims for that matter she told them to
00:49:51
question David in February 1968 Hindu Lee was granted a special privilege and got transferred to Risley for one week
00:49:59
so that her grant could visit since she was dying the Press reported the transfer and that led to public outrage
00:50:06
in June 68 Hindley learnt tapestry and with two other inmates they made a carpet which was for a commission from
00:50:13
the Polish Embassy knowing the carpet was leaving the prison Hindu Lee placed a piece of paper in the hem of the
00:50:19
carpet that read Myra Hindley made this carpet during the same month David was sent to prison he and Maureen
00:50:27
had two more children when in April 1967 and two the other in December 68 David and Maureen were both abusing alcohol
00:50:35
and appeals they were moved from Underwood court to slide away in Hattersley however the confrontations
00:50:42
with the public continued David had enough and stud the man who started to attack him
00:50:47
as soon as he did it he realized the enormity of what he'd done so he went to the police station and turned himself in
00:50:53
he told the officer on the desk you might be looking for me my name is David Smith's there was a trial which took
00:51:01
place in hired a magistrate's court where Brady and Hindley's remained hearings and committal proceedings were
00:51:06
help David was sentenced to three years in prison he was sent to Walton jail in Liverpool 66 kilometers away from
00:51:14
Manchester in August of 1968 brady silly start got hold of the photographs negative his slides and a tartan album
00:51:22
that belonged to Brady and Hindley they'd been asking for them back ever since the investigation the solicitor
00:51:28
gave everything to Hindle his mother and Hindley asked her to send three specific
00:51:33
slides to Brady Nellie didn't send them Hindley wrote to her he keeps asking why
00:51:39
he hasn't received them yet in his last letter he said he'll have to send someone round for them by 1970 after
00:51:47
being separated in prison for over three and a half years Hindley fell out of love with Brady their relationship
00:51:53
through letters wasn't enough for either of them and in prison Hindley changed a
00:51:57
view about what their relationship was ever since she entered prison Hindley had different affairs with women and
00:52:04
that year she'd met a new lava Tricia cans Tricia was a prison officer who was a former nun Hindley wrote a letter to
00:52:12
Tricia telling her she couldn't stop thinking about her and her days were brighter when she was around after that
00:52:18
they started spending time together in Hindley cell Carol a friend of Hindley's kept watch and sang a song if anyone
00:52:25
approached I was around this time Hindle he didn't feel like answering Brady's letters anymore so she got her friend at
00:52:31
Carol to do it for her in 1971 Carol left prison and Hindley reluctantly started answering Brady's letters again
00:52:39
the one person Hindley enjoyed sending letters to was Trisha firstly she sent him through her cousin and a later
00:52:46
through Carol Trisha would go to Carol's flat and read the letters which were coded Hindley would also bribe either
00:52:53
inmates with cigarettes to have messages delivered to Trisha during this time Hindley lost a great deal of weight the
00:53:00
weight loss was due to some and to a lack of eating she often didn't eat her food because other inmates
00:53:06
urinated in it at one point Brady sent a coded message to Hindley asking her if she wanted to end at their
00:53:12
relationship and told her he'd be waiting for her reply to see where his fate light Hindley was convinced that if
00:53:19
she left him he'd commit suicide and so she kept on corresponding but sent him a
00:53:23
poem about the outgrowth of love by Wordsworth so he would understand where she was at
00:53:29
Brady continued writing every week first from Durham then from Albanese prism and
00:53:35
to lastly from Parker's prism situated on all of what there he learnt Braille and started transcribing books for the
00:53:43
blind by 1972 Hindley changed her mind about corresponding with Brady and said she didn't want to talk to him anymore
00:53:50
she told him not to bother writing to her again because she would directly pass the letters to the prison governor
00:53:56
as a final gesture Brady sent her back a bookmark she'd sent him the previous Christmas in March 72 Hindley sent a
00:54:05
letter to Frank Putnam commonly known as Lord Longford who was a politician as well as a social reformer and a very
00:54:12
active Catholic he was well known for visiting and forming friendships with Christmas he became friends with Hindley
00:54:19
she told him she never thought she would be ending her relationship with Brady but because she reconciled with God she
00:54:26
was convinced it was the right thing to do in a different letter to Lord Longford she wrote I wish to put him out
00:54:33
of my life as totally as I do all the unhappy destructive and godless aspects of my past life with him and I must
00:54:40
admit that I rarely ever think of him now had it not been for him I would never have been involved in any of the
00:54:46
things that brought me to prison Hindley's mother Nellie sent father Brady's photographs to him as soon as
00:54:52
the relationship ended when David began his sentence at Walton in 1969 he was placed in solitary confinement for his
00:55:00
own protection the other prisoners would throw [ __ ] and Pierce at him Maureen visited him a couple of times but then
00:55:07
she stopped showing up at one of the visits from his father David asked him what was happening his father told him
00:55:13
Maureen was seeing another man and she had actually cheated on David with the same man before David believed
00:55:20
this was related to the impersonal visits in prison the visiting room for solitary confinement inmates had thick
00:55:26
glass he asked to be let out of solitary confinement so he could have more personalised visits with Maureen in
00:55:33
order for this to happen he would have to become a regular inmate the governor said his safety could not be guaranteed
00:55:39
but David insisted he was transferred to Lancaster prison eighty-seven kilometers
00:55:45
from Manchester a lot further away than Walton when he got there he received a letter from Maureen saying they were
00:55:52
over she told him not to write to her again or send her visiting requests after reading it David slit his wrists
00:56:01
he was transferred back to Walden and put on psychiatric watch a special visit was arranged and Maureen went to see him
00:56:08
after his suicide attempt they made plans to have a future together 15 days later he sent Maureen a new visiting
00:56:16
request along with a letter but it was marked returned to sender at home Maureen was neglecting their three
00:56:24
children she got drunk and hired with the new man she was seeing and she often disappeared for the entire day David's
00:56:31
father who still lived with them grew tired of the situation and moved out the children were still very young the
00:56:38
eldest was Paul who was six but they were underweight had lice and slept on sheets that hadn't been changed in
00:56:44
months the welfare department found out and contacted Maureen she admitted she was unable to take care of them a
00:56:51
caseworker appeared at the house to check on them Maureen was nowhere to be found the caseworker found the door open
00:56:57
into their children alone inside she took them to acorns a care home in the neighborhood of Fallowfield a kilometers
00:57:05
from Manchester the children became the favourites of one of the nurses and their health significantly improved at
00:57:13
Walton David received a visit from his probation officer he'll explain this situation with the children but told him
00:57:19
they were doing well at the moment to reassure him their probation officer showed him up-to-date pitches and the
00:57:24
special visit was arranged David started receiving monthly visits from his sons until he left
00:57:31
prison in the summer of 1971 he got a house and did everything he could to rebuild a life with the boys with the
00:57:37
help of his father one day they went to visit a friend of David's father and there David met his father's friend's
00:57:44
daughter Mary ferati Mary had seen David before back on December 6th 1965 when the committal proceedings started in
00:57:55
Hyde and David and Maureen entered the court Mary was only nine years old then and went to primary school at Greenfield
00:58:02
Street primary which was directly opposite the court the moment when David and Maureen left their car to enter the
00:58:08
court Mary was having a break at school and she saw the commotion of cameras as well
00:58:12
as the couple entering she didn't know who the two people being photographed were since she hadn't been told of the
00:58:18
case it was years later that she found out when they formally met each other in 1971 Mary was corn to him and didn't
00:58:26
judge he ended up telling her exactly who he was one day sharing his entire story and Mary listened they became
00:58:33
close after that sharing walks together into talking every day until Mary's 15th
00:58:38
birthday when David kissed her for the first time afterwards they began dating in 1972 David's father had advanced
00:58:48
stage cancer one day he was completely unable to move and was in severe pain when David got home and saw him in that
00:58:55
state he gave him a full bottle of sleeping pills David called the doctor and his father
00:59:01
was taping the hospital he called the police and told him what he'd done he was then charged for murder in
00:59:08
November he pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was given just two days of imprisonment while he was in
00:59:14
remaining to wait in court his boys were left with Mary at her father's house and
00:59:18
Maureen reappeared twice twice she took her son's back twice she abandoned them again
00:59:24
after the second time she didn't reappear and the boys stayed with Mary in September 1972 Hindley was lowered
00:59:33
from a category a prisoner to a category B category A's for the most dangerous inmates so being lowered to a B gave her
00:59:41
more freedom within the prison and also outside if the governor of the prison wanted she could even escort Hindley
00:59:46
outside for a short period of time in Hindley's case she had developed a good relationship with the governor so the
00:59:53
governor decided to take Hindley out and they went to Hampstead Heath which is a
00:59:57
park five kilometers away from the prison they went with a friend of the governor and her dog
01:00:02
Hindley described the outing with the words it was as though I had never been inside everything came back to me there
01:00:10
was the smell of grass and trees and throwing a ball for the governor's dog there were children playing when they
01:00:17
returned to prison they were spotted and the media went haywire there were television and radio debates and
01:00:23
questions were even asked in Parliament the home office ended up releasing a statement that said the outing was not
01:00:30
an attempt to prepare Hindley for release end of the Home Secretary Robert Carr considered it an error of judgment
01:00:36
not to be repeated there was an internal inquiry conducted at the prison and the
01:00:42
governor released the statement she said I took Myra out because I thought it would do her some good to see some grass
01:00:48
and trees and have a breath of fresh air bless her heart she enjoyed it very much
01:00:53
she said doesn't the grass smell beautiful I knew I realized that it was an of judgment because mr. car has said
01:01:01
that it was it was later revealed that that trip to the park wasn't him Lee's first day out from prison she'd
01:01:08
previously been taken to an exhibition at the British Museum and when a member of the public recognized tingly she
01:01:14
thought she had escaped from prison so the police were called the governor resolved at this incident by saying that
01:01:20
the arting was under strict supervision of prison staff and that it was designed
01:01:24
to start Emily's rehabilitation program after this Hindley started planning a prison escape and turned to her prison
01:01:32
guard lover Trisha Kent's to help organize it Hindley went to Maxine Croft an inmate
01:01:37
from her wing that was a green being prisoner meaning chose among the most trusted and had access to the officers
01:01:42
room for cleaning the plan was for her to take keys from the officers room and make copies Maxine took the keys and
01:01:50
made impressions with modeling plaster she also told pictures of Hindley in order to make a new passport she sent it
01:01:56
all to a friend of hers who ended up dubbing them in Hindley and Tricia were questioned and they denied at all
01:02:02
officers looked for evidence and found a driver's license in the name of Amira Spencer in April 1974 the case was heard
01:02:11
at the Old Bailey the Central Criminal Court of England Hindley Tricia and Maxine were all
01:02:17
charged they all pleaded guilty and Maxine's attorney said she was a naive younger woman intimidated by two older
01:02:24
women Trish's attorney said the relationship she shared with Hindley was platonic and two when Tricia herself
01:02:30
took the stand she said Hindley was sorry for her crimes and had been purified in the crucible of suffering
01:02:36
Maxine was sentenced to 18 months in prison Hindley 2:12 further months into Trisha
01:02:42
- six years plus she had her Prison Service pension frozen until the age of 60 while in prison Tricia told him
01:02:50
Burleigh she didn't want any more to do with her and if she wrote her letters should end them straight to the governor
01:02:55
Hindley kept trying to send her letters and Tricia handed them to the governor as she said she would when Tricia was
01:03:02
released she stayed with family in Manchester and found a job as a bus driver one day Danny Kilbride John's
01:03:09
brother got on her bus and record mr. he announced to the whole bus who she was and the passengers started
01:03:15
abusing her Hindley was transferred to another wing where she was allowed a small black and white television along
01:03:21
with books records and photographs of family and friends she started writing in her letters that she wanted to be a
01:03:28
mother and in 1975 the prison staff wondered if she was planning a new escape she was known to be able to
01:03:35
imitate their voices and could perhaps open the electronic doors she was given an official warning for it
01:03:41
in the same year she reconciled with Maureen Maureen and David divorced in 1973 on the grounds of unreasonable
01:03:50
conduct Maureen was given access to her son's for the first three months she would show up at times but also missed a
01:03:57
lot of visits after three months she didn't show up at all then Maureen met a truck driver called Bill
01:04:05
Scott bill asked her out a couple of times but Maureen said no until one day she accepted when they were on their
01:04:12
first date bill asked why she said no so many times she simply stated on Myra Hindley's sister bill told her he cared
01:04:21
about her and not her family and they started dating bill divorced his wife and moved in with Maureen
01:04:28
they lived in Manchester and both suffered harassment from the public to get away from it Maureen started
01:04:34
travelling in the truck we've built while on the road she felt pregnant and they had a girl Sharon David's new
01:04:41
relationship with Mary blossomed and on February 16th 1975 in Flowery field church had hired they married when
01:04:49
Maureen's thought as Sharon was 6 weeks old she took her with Bill to meet Hindley Maureen was nervous about seeing
01:04:56
her sister again but when she got there Hindley hugged her fiercely and they both cried they started talking about
01:05:02
old times and Hindley pampered Sharon calling her a queen into my little ray of sunshine she got her gifts cards and
01:05:10
decorated her cell with pictures of the little baby she also told marine to ask David for pictures of her three sons
01:05:18
David found out about the meetings between Laureen and Hindley and it was not happy during their meetings Maureen
01:05:25
asked Hindley twice about other missing children and particularly about Pauline read Hindu Lee told her both times she
01:05:31
didn't know anything on Sunday September 26 1976 the son posted a 10-year anniversary feature about the murders
01:05:40
and officers at the prison showed the newspaper to an inmate she was so horrified by what she read
01:05:46
that she went after Hindley and hit her so hard that she broke her nose loosened
01:05:51
her teeth left her eyes blackened split one ear and lip and damaged the cartilage in one of her knees for six
01:05:58
weeks Hindley had to be given liquid food through a straw she said the inmate was a pawn and that
01:06:03
the officers in the prison were to blame in January 1977 Hindley was transferred
01:06:10
to Durham prison 423 kilometers north on July 6th the same year a program called
01:06:17
brass talked from the BBC dedicated an episode to hinder his bid for parole Hindley was given a life sentence which
01:06:24
was 21 years however after one third of the sentence had passed the inmate could
01:06:29
apply for parole in Hindley's case that was in 1973 and ever since that time Lord Longford had been campaigning on
01:06:37
her behalf to get her released however his fetus didn't play well with the public and they caused the arrangement
01:06:43
rather than under steaming Hindley herself asked Longford and his friends to stop the campaign because it wasn't
01:06:49
beneficial to her at all the aim of this program was the sense the public's reaction to the possibility of seeing
01:06:55
Hindley released representing her with Longford Maureen and the two other supporters against her was in West
01:07:03
Leslie's mother and three others when one of Hindley supporters was asked her impression of her she said yes my
01:07:11
impression of Myra Hindley F when I first went in I didn't know what to expect because all I read was
01:07:17
inflammatory reports in the newspapers when I met her she was very different she's tall slim attractive quietly
01:07:24
spoken sensitive person reads a lot and you know I don't like this expression an
01:07:29
angel because I mean she's a very nice person at the moment and I'm certain if she's led out there's absolutely no risk
01:07:35
at all that she'd ever you know molest a child in any sense at all in West in response I had to hear the tapes of my
01:07:45
daughter and never heard am Brady it was Myra Hindley on that tape with my daughter not Ian Brady I had to listen
01:07:52
to that and identify the body when does my parole begin I'm serving a life sentence because of that monster I
01:07:59
had to listen to those tapes of my daughter begging for mercy if Myra Hindley comes out I'll be up for murder
01:08:05
I've said this to Lord Longford once and I'll say it again she will be one dead woman I want justice Patrick kilbride
01:08:13
John's father called the studio and supported in by saying I'll wait outside the jail for her the BBC got hundreds of
01:08:21
calls and everyone stood by the victims families an opinion poll taken showed that 84% of the people believed Hindley
01:08:27
should never be freed Lord Longford made a statement for Hindley afterwards and said no one who knows her seriously
01:08:35
supposes that she would be a public menace if she were released her state of remorse is such that she will be haunted
01:08:41
by it all her life in January 1978 Brady sent a letter to the Daily Mirror where
01:08:51
he said he didn't want to visit from Lord Longford because of the free Maura campaign and the fact that it didn't
01:08:56
represent his views on parole to Brady what they done justified permanent imprisonment Hindley had been working on
01:09:04
her parole play ever since she got to Durham and she wrote 36 pages that she sent to the Home Secretary in them she
01:09:11
described the crimes as something she knew nothing about and something she did because she had Brady on a pedestal her
01:09:17
plea was rejected and she was told it wouldn't be considered again for another three years Lord Longford did visit
01:09:24
Brady at Wormwood Scrubs prison in London where he worked at the time Longford went to confirm the account
01:09:29
Brady had given at the trial of him Lee's role in the crimes or her lack of a role
01:09:34
Brady refused to help in January 1980 Hindley received a Bachelor of Arts degree in humanities becoming one of the
01:09:43
first prisoners to study for an open university degree she was excited felt proud and wanted to continue but in July
01:09:51
that year she received some bad news about Maureen Maureen had been on a night out with Bill when she felt a
01:09:58
strong headache and they headed home the next day she was vomiting and Bill rust
01:10:02
her to the hospital they told her she had a brain hemorrhage and after an emergency operation she seemed to get
01:10:08
better Hindley sent her a get-well card along with money for her mother to travel back
01:10:13
and forth to the hospital but Maureen suffered a relapse and fell into a coma bill called David who visited with his
01:10:21
elder son they both talk to Maureen while she was in a coma to see if she would wake up Hindley was
01:10:27
hysterical and the home office granted permission for her to go to the hospital she did but when she arrived Maureen had
01:10:35
already been unplugged from life support Maureen was 34 years old when she died ingly went to see Maureen in her coffin
01:10:44
at the hospital chapel she told a reporter who was there that it was the first time she had seen a dead person
01:10:49
later she wrote to her mother Nelly and told her that as painful as it was for her she knew it must be worse for a
01:10:56
parent to lose a child the day after she asked other inmates to do a rosary for marine and they did two days later she
01:11:04
wrote to the authorities and told them that although she wanted to attend the funeral she wouldn't be putting in a
01:11:09
request because she knew the press would be there and she wanted to preserve the
01:11:13
family and her sisters dignity the press was at the funeral anyway and so were an
01:11:18
West and Patrick killbride Patrick confused one of the women for Hindley and launched after her he was tackled
01:11:25
and taken away by the police in waited for everyone to leave and went to a flower arrangement Hindley had sent with
01:11:32
a card that said there are no words to express how I miss you I love you Maura and ripped it apart for months later
01:11:42
Hindley's father Bob died he was told of Maureen's death and he didn't take the news well he suffered a heart attack
01:11:49
those that knew him thought it might have been for the best anyway as his life at being held as well
01:11:55
he had bricks thrown through his windows constantly got sent hate letters and was
01:12:00
also abused and threatened when he left a house Hindley again wrote to the authorities
01:12:05
and informed them she didn't want to attend the funeral this time she said it was because she never had a good
01:12:10
relationship with her father after that Hindley fell into a depression in 1982 two influential men started campaigning
01:12:19
for her release Peter Tim's and David asta Tim's had been a prison officer and a governor and
01:12:26
asta an editor at The Observer there were friends of Lord Longford and he asked them to intervene because he
01:12:32
wasn't getting anywhere Timms when as far as trying to arrange for the Pope to visit Hindley in prison when he visited
01:12:39
the UK and the archbishop said no as the started corresponding with Hindley and she got a new solicitor together they
01:12:47
tried to change the public's view about her and Hindley gave an interview with two journalists from The Sunday Times in
01:12:53
the interview she said again that Brady had influenced her the article ran with a headline the woman who cannot face the
01:13:01
truth around the same time Hindley heard Brady had requested to see the place it was true but when the
01:13:09
police saw him Brady just sat there and didn't say anything Hindley was transferred the keuken would
01:13:15
prison which had far better living conditions and West Leslie's mother was photographed at the gates protesting
01:13:21
against the move n had been battling throughout these years she had twice taken an overdose of tranquilizers and
01:13:29
she voluntarily entered a psychiatric hospital in February 1984 Hindley got a letter from Leslie's uncle
01:13:36
that included the line I would still be prepared to kill you and stand trial for my crime Hindley
01:13:43
didn't respond and he sent her another letter he also contacted the press Hindley asked the prison governor Dean
01:13:50
Devine saying that she had always felt threatened by the downing family and was worried about the hate campaign that
01:13:56
were creating against her she didn't receive any more letters after that a few weeks later and in May entered her
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so in the middle of the night threw her out of bed and hit her in the head shoot she had a slow recovery after this
01:14:10
attack on July 23rd she was transferred to the prison hospital and remained for two months mainly due
01:14:16
to depression when she was sent back to her wing she changed jobs and started working in the library as well as
01:14:22
knitting for other prisoners children and their families and friends she said it was too late for her to be a mother
01:14:28
but she'd always wanted to be one in 1985 a prison review committee recommended Hindley for parole
01:14:35
when the Press reported it Danny Kilbride told the son he'd kill Hindley if she was released
01:14:40
Hindley got him arrested through her solicitor and the police wanted him to retract his statement Danny didn't he
01:14:48
explained it had been too hard for him and his family after John in May the Home Secretary announced the parole
01:14:55
board had analyzed him Lee's case and determined she should stay in prison for at least five more years before being
01:15:00
considered for release Hindley sent a letter to him and called him a mental executioner as well as saying that her
01:15:07
religious beliefs were the only thing that kept her from taking her own life at that moment then in June 1985 there
01:15:15
was breaking news Fred Harrison a reporter broke the story that Ian Brady had confessed to the
01:15:21
murders of Pauline Reade and Keith Bennett Brady was now in Gori prison located in
01:15:27
Market Harborough Leicestershire in his cell he only had a bed a table a chair and a bucket and during the nights he
01:15:36
would sleep on the chair and guards would hear him scream or cursing he said he was hearing voices and would often
01:15:42
require sedation since 1983 Brady had been corresponding with Harrison and by the end of 84 he allowed him to visit
01:15:50
when talking about the crimes Brady declared them the acts of a madman he said he didn't deserve sympathy and
01:15:57
didn't seek it that he wanted to spend the rest of his life in prison when he newly heard the news Brady had confessed
01:16:03
the Pauline and Keith's murders she was so affected that she ended up in prison hospital taking tranquilizers and
01:16:09
rejecting any food another person who heard the news was the head of the Greater Manchester Criminal
01:16:14
Investigation Division Detective Chief Superintendent Peter topping along with two other
01:16:20
detectives who went to see Brady but Brady was in no state to speak he was diagnosed with acute paranoia and
01:16:27
schizophrenia and moved to a high-security psychiatric unit Park Lane in Liverpool when the news came out in
01:16:35
West Leslie's mother threatened to go and dig up the moor herself in early 1986 she announced that she had written
01:16:42
to Brady asking him to meet with her she wanted to convince him to tell the truth
01:16:46
and revealed the remaining burial sites but the authorities didn't believe it was a good idea Brady didn't like the
01:16:53
idea either n wasn't the only person who had written to him Keith's mother Winnie
01:16:58
Johnson had as well Brady admitted he'd gotten both letters but he was afraid of
01:17:03
reading them and that he couldn't imagine how a meeting would go in April he did end up writing back to him and a
01:17:10
shorter he would never seek parole and that he felt remorse in addition he let her know that for the past 18 years had
01:17:16
been doing work with Braille and that even though he couldn't balance the past he was at least doing something positive
01:17:22
and useful he never wrote back to Winnie Johnson when he tried writing to Hindley
01:17:27
as well she said please I beg of you tell me what happened to Keith my heart tells me you know and I am on bended
01:17:35
knees begging you to end this torture and fine we put my mind at rest please miss
01:17:40
Hindley helped me when reading the letter Hindley cried and was unable to speak for a while when she got her voice back
01:17:47
she said I wish I did know something I could at least then put the poor woman out of her misery on November 3rd she
01:17:55
wrote to Tim's and told him that she didn't have any guilty secrets so she wondered if she should reply to
01:18:00
Winnie Hindley said for the sake of this poor demented woman the awful tragedy is
01:18:05
that I cannot help her in any way if I could I would I swear this as God is my judge I'd even be willing to contact the
01:18:13
police and ask them to take me to those awful Moors but those moors are so vast I wouldn't know where to start or even
01:18:20
what I was looking for Tim's told her not to reply and when winning insisted for a meeting he
01:18:26
advised Hindley not to meet her on November 17th Tim's visited Hindley and while they
01:18:33
were discussing the letter Peter toping appeared he asked her to talk and Hindley agreed but on the condition that
01:18:39
Tim's would be present toping asked her she'd be willing to look at maps and photographs
01:18:44
Hindley agreed on November 18th toping returned and as he studied Hindley he realized she gave special attention to
01:18:52
the photographs that were believed to be taken at Holland Brian Knoll and Shani broke the stream at Wes ndon head
01:18:59
the two places were already marked and were being searched topping hadn't revealed it to anyone but he was already
01:19:05
searching them all the search consisted of one man and his dog going over to selected spots one was Hollen Bryant
01:19:13
null since it was the logical place to start given two bodies had already been found
01:19:16
there and the other was ho green located 3 kilometres away in Wesson burn head ho
01:19:23
green when is a vertical stream into Shawnee Brooke after looking in the pictures and maps
01:19:28
Hindley issued a statement through her solicitor saying she helped me in Chester police with their new search on
01:19:34
the mall and pointed out places that were a particular interest to Brady on November 20th 1986 a full team started
01:19:42
searching the more the team was led by topping aster wrote to Hindley and told her that with Tim's and Lord Longford
01:19:49
they discussed her case and they all agreed that her problems were with public opinion and not with the law he
01:19:56
recommended setting Tim's as her spokesperson topping tried talking to Brady again Brady was doing better but
01:20:03
he refused to help the Home Secretary granted permission to take Hindley to the more if necessary
01:20:09
and the media had already started speculating about a visit it was rumored that a clear photo of her at the mall
01:20:15
might be worth as much as 20,000 pounds on the morning of December 16th 1986 Hindley was awoken in her cell and
01:20:24
driven to Kent Police Headquarters in Maidstone from there she boarded a helicopter with
01:20:29
her solicitor and two police officers and at 8:30 a.m. they arrived at the mall she was handed a jacket sandwiches
01:20:37
and a hot drink and then she was driven to Shani Brook however a member of parliament had leaked news of the visit
01:20:43
and in order to escape the press topping to Hindley on an alternate route that she'd never seen because it was built
01:20:49
after her arrest she told toppings she was finding it hard to get her bearings and at midday she suggested entering
01:20:56
from a spot she was more familiar with as they got there maybe a helicopter started circling and Hindley broke down
01:21:03
in tears she pointed out some spots and spoke about a hill but couldn't give any
01:21:07
clear details they then drove to Holland Brown Knoll they took Kimberly to the area where
01:21:13
John and Leslie's burial sites were found but as they stood there Hindley said she didn't know where the
01:21:19
previous burial sites were and for that reason she couldn't know where any other
01:21:23
burial sites could be at 3:00 p.m. she was put back on the helicopter and taken back to prison David Smith was also
01:21:31
approached by topping and taken to the mall it wasn't able to say much other than he remembered parking the car with
01:21:37
Brady and Hindley at hoe grain the press covered the search and criticized how it
01:21:42
was being handled and how there was still no results topping ignored them On January 27th 1987 he went back to see
01:21:52
Hindley sitting with her solicitor Hindley told them that David Smith was not involved in Pauline's murder that
01:21:59
none of the murders happened in the house had been off street and that the search should focus on Shani Brook and
01:22:04
hollenberg knoll afterwards her solicitor along with Tim's aster and another attorney held an emergency
01:22:11
meeting to discuss if Hindley should make a full confession to the police she'd already made one to Tim's Tim's
01:22:19
was qualified as a Methodist minister as well as already being a therapist and he
01:22:23
held sessions once a week with Hindley for months the four men decided it was in Hindley's best interest to make a
01:22:29
full confession the meeting leaked to the press and aster and Tim's believe that had been Hindley solicitor who told
01:22:36
them so they convinced her to get rid of him Hindley reluctantly did so into the last
01:22:41
thing he said as her representative was the heroine in this story is my client she's being very very brave On February
01:22:50
5th Hindley sent a cryptic letter to a star where she seemed to imply there was information she wasn't revealing as
01:22:57
there in turn rate the Tim's and asked him the meaning behind her words On February 19th 1987 Hindley had a meeting
01:23:06
with topping and with Tim's by her side she told the detective she helped Brady kill Paul Henreid and Keith Bennett the
01:23:13
confession wasn't cautioned or recorded well if she spoke she cried and afterwards she spent the weekend sedated
01:23:21
on Monday and Tuesday she retook the confession and told them her entire life story and everything she knew about the
01:23:28
murders she found it particularly hard to talk about Pauline and Leslie and she was given several tranquilizers as she
01:23:34
did so the detective working with toping ended feeling terrible for her Hindley had again given a version where Brady
01:23:42
controlled her and the detective believed she'd been so absolutely besotted by him that she'd do all sorts
01:23:48
of things for the love and respect of her partner he stated had she not met Ian Brady and fallen in love with him
01:23:54
she would have fallen in love and gotten married and had a family and being like
01:23:57
any other member of the public topping didn't agree with his fellow detective he realized that many points Hindley had
01:24:05
quoted parts from his speech the Attorney General gave at the 1966 trial where he told the court Hindley had been
01:24:11
an ordinary girl before meeting Brady and he made her fall through the path where they ended topping stated her
01:24:18
reference to this document made me realize that her confession was being carefully controlled she also spoke in a
01:24:25
very almost to organized way when describing the killings after she described how Pauline died she used the
01:24:32
phrase well that as far as I remember concludes the first murder which was Pauline reads topping asked her like
01:24:40
other detectives had before if the photographs were markers for the burial sites her answer was no she
01:24:46
denied knowing about any other murders and at the end topping had mixed feelings he felt what he'd seen and
01:24:52
heard was a great performance rather than a genuine confession when they finished
01:24:58
Hindley returned to her cell and a moment later called timpz to tell him she was ready to go on the record he
01:25:04
begged her not to but Hindley responded no I should have done this 20 years ago Timms then called topping and for two
01:25:13
days Hindley went over her confession again this time it was cautioned and recorded as a result of her confession
01:25:21
the Home Office cancelled her counseling sessions with Tim's Hindley sent a letter where she said she was burdened
01:25:27
with the aftermath and at one point she wrote I believe suicide to be a mortal sin and one that cannot be forgiven
01:25:34
unlike the mortal sins I recently confessed to and received absolution from topping went to see Brady and told
01:25:41
him that Hindley had made a full and complete confession Brady said he would do the same if he was given the means to
01:25:48
commit suicide afterwards on March 23rd Hindley was taken from prison in an unmarked car during the evening and
01:25:55
spent the night at Greater Manchester's police training school in the early hours of the following morning topping
01:26:01
to go back to the mall they first went to hoe grain and after lunch they traveled three kilometres to Holland
01:26:07
Brown knoll Hindley showed excitement and told toping he was looking in all the right places
01:26:12
at Holland Brown knoll she said her and Brady had hidden a metal box but she wasn't able to point at any specific
01:26:18
place she also didn't say what the box contained on April 15th she wrote to the authorities and told them she didn't
01:26:25
want to be considered for parole in 1990 and that she was concentrating on writing her autobiography she'd started
01:26:32
writing it at the end of 1985 after Tim's suggested the idea in November that year they approached an author to
01:26:40
co-write the book with Hindley but Hindley decided she wanted to do it on her own after that they contacted an
01:26:45
agent and the deal was made they agreed on a sum of 100,000 pounds 70% of which would go to charity while the other 30%
01:26:54
would go to her mother Nelly for charity Hindley wanted the funds to go to the National Society for the Prevention of
01:27:01
Cruelty to Children but her advisers told her it wouldn't be the best idea so she decided to choose
01:27:07
the National Council for civil liberties instead the Home Office approved the deal and she began working delivering
01:27:13
the book in installments - a stir about her book Hindley stated I hope that in some way
01:27:19
what I am able to relate will enable a wiser understanding of the awful complexity
01:27:24
surrounding the abuse of children in April the news about her confession came out and it caused media discussions all
01:27:31
over again Keith Bennett's mum we need Johnson wrote to her and this time Hindley
01:27:37
responded thanking her for the previous letters and telling her that if she'd only written to her 14 years before she
01:27:43
would have been able to help because 14 years prior is when Hindley was still talking to brady pauline and keeps
01:27:50
families wanted a new trial as Hindley and Brady had only been convicted of Edward Leslie and John's murders Hindley
01:27:57
said should be happy for a neutral but topping shut down the idea stating it wouldn't be necessary several supporters
01:28:04
of Hindley felt betrayed by her confession to Pauline and Kate's murder since several had spoken on her behalf
01:28:10
and defended her openly in public her mother Nellie had to resign from her job and stay at home because their
01:28:16
harassment from the public ramped up again bill Mellie's husband Hindley stepfather didn't want any more
01:28:23
to do with Hindley the house Hindley and Brady shared at 16 water Brook Avenue was constantly damaged and the council
01:28:30
decided to demolish it Hindley took another step when she wrote an open letter to the BBC where she
01:28:37
asked Brady to cooperate and give a full confession to the police just like she had in prison she was analyzed by
01:28:43
psychiatrists and was found to be of sound mind Hindley herself said confessing everything had unleashed a thousand
01:28:50
demons that hadn't left her since the murders she also felt haunted by not talking earlier the psychiatrists
01:28:57
believe what Hindley was looking for with the confession had more to do with her remaining in the public eye than
01:29:03
anything else Brady did cooperate with the police he didn't give a full confession but he
01:29:09
spoke and in return he asked for what he called a human week which meant being able to eat and drink whatever he wanted
01:29:16
as well as being able to watch old films such as Gone with the Wind one point he
01:29:22
insisted on was the fact that Hindley knew very well where the burial sites were and she was purposefully choosing
01:29:28
not to tell them during May there were torrential rains at the mall in the excavated areas at Hoag rain were
01:29:34
flooded the search moved to the higher areas of Holland Brian and stayed close to Leslie's grave but
01:29:40
far from the road since Hindley had described Paul Lane's body as lying on the grass and that seemed to suggest the
01:29:46
place had to be deeper into them all on June 17th toping called Hindley and pressured her to try and remember more
01:29:53
details of our poor Lane's burial site Hindley told him that she now remembered Pauline wasn't so close to the gas
01:29:59
pipeline and was further back from Lesley she added that when she stood next to her she was able to see the
01:30:05
rocks at Holland Brown knoll outlined in the sky on July 1st 1987 towards the end
01:30:12
of the day the team of searchers were walking through the grass when they noticed the change in vegetation they
01:30:18
started carefully digging and after a few minutes they found a white shoe the team left everything as it was and
01:30:25
called topping to come to the mall they continued digging and found the remains of Pauline Reade almost perfectly
01:30:34
preserved like Leslie she was lying on her side and her knees were bent up towards her chest with her left arm
01:30:40
crossing it front and her right arm resting by her side the foot that was missing a shoe was better preserved than
01:30:47
the covered one her clothes were opened in disheveled and once more the detectives had no doubt as to what had
01:30:53
happened to her toping went to see amos reed and gave him the news he didn't say
01:30:59
much other than he was sorry that his wife Joan was in psychiatric care toping called Winnie Johnson and told her her
01:31:06
body had been found but it wasn't Keith she started crying on the phone and topping told her he would continue
01:31:12
searching in Dooley read the news the next day and Brady was visited by topping Brady told him it was funny how
01:31:20
long the place had been close to Pauling's burial site without knowing until I third toping took Brady to the
01:31:27
mall they went to hoe grain first just like they had with Hindley Brady started walking on and off through
01:31:33
different places not really stopping anywhere when he got to the meeting point between Ho green and shiny Brook
01:31:39
Brady finally pointed at a slope and said he'd hidden a spade in that particular spot
01:31:44
the police dug and found nothing then Brady climbed onto a high rock topping went after him believing Brady wanted to
01:31:51
throw himself off however Brady told him he just wanted to enjoy the view when they returned
01:31:58
topping came to the conclusion that the visit only benefited Brady not long after Brady sent a letter to
01:32:04
the BBC claiming he'd killed five more people the police investigated but it led nowhere
01:32:11
topping still visited Brady often trying to get information out of him Brady told
01:32:17
him he was ashamed of what he'd done and he didn't want to discuss how he killed
01:32:20
the children he had blocks in his mind and he didn't want to remove them because he was afraid of what might
01:32:25
happen if he did so topping tried speaking with Maggie Brady's mother to safer house she knew
01:32:31
something but she didn't she struggled every day to understand what had gone wrong with her son on August 4th topping
01:32:39
went to see Hindley again he hadn't communicated with her since they found a pauline enkindle he felt offended she
01:32:46
also complained at how long it took to find pauline which he felt she'd given very clear directions on august 7th 1987
01:32:53
Pauling was buried in Gorton cemetery her mother Joan was heavily sedated at the psychiatric hospital where she was
01:33:00
still under care and was escorted to the burial with two nurses hundreds were there to pay their respects and among
01:33:07
them were Leslie's mother in West along with most of the killbride family on August 24th the search of the mall was
01:33:15
canceled topping promised winnie johnson that if significant information arose they would resume the search for keys
01:33:22
topping stayed in close contact with Brady and Hindley and in December he took Brady to the mall for a second time
01:33:28
once again at led nowhere Brady suggested that he should meet with Hindley to discuss where Keith could be
01:33:35
topping told him that wouldn't be happening topping concluded Brady and Hindley still had a very strong connection he
01:33:43
said despite the fact that he was at times very critical of her and despite the fact that she had not hesitated to
01:33:49
outline his crimes I felt they both still had a lingering regard for each other neither seem to want to hurt the
01:33:56
other Hindley continued to try and change the public's view of her and she wrote a letter to end west it ended in a
01:34:03
shambles when at one point she said I now want to say to you and I implore to you to believe me because it is the
01:34:09
truth that your child was not physically tortured as is widely believed then Hindley wanted to meet with the
01:34:16
journalist who had written several articles on miscarriages of justice it didn't end well the first question the
01:34:23
journalist asked her was how she could take a ten-year-old off the streets referring to Leslie Hindley's answer was
01:34:30
she shouldn't have been out so late at night the journalist described Hindley as a narcissist psychopath with
01:34:37
grandiose ideas of herself who would rather be remembered as Myra Hindley child murderer than not to be remembered
01:34:44
at all the journalist believed it was rubbish that she was under the spell of Brady and determined Hindley played a
01:34:50
much larger role in the crimes than she was letting on in September 1989 Hindley
01:34:56
was told her autobiography wouldn't get published Astor had found the writings awful and so did the publisher Hindley
01:35:04
decided to do a rewrite Hindu Lee said she felt troubled because she wanted to help but she couldn't since she didn't
01:35:11
know where Keith Bennett's burial site was in January 1990 which was the year Hindley could be considered for parole
01:35:18
again Brady sent an open letter to the press where he said Hindley enjoyed the murders and he could prove it with all
01:35:24
the letters they exchanged in their first years of prison he wrote I have the written words of Myra herself in the
01:35:31
shape of six and a half years of her letters written to me after our imprisonment in there she writes
01:35:36
nostalgic ly into lyrically of the murders which she regarded as a substitute marriage ritual but which I
01:35:43
saw as products of an suspenseful Asif II intended with the spiritualism of a death itself
01:35:49
I have only given you a brief glimpse of what occurred 25 years ago those letters
01:35:55
were never released shortly afterwards Brady was taken to a psychiatric ward after he made threats of suicide Brady
01:36:02
began a protest in the form of a hunger strike he was force-fed and closely supervised
01:36:08
Hindley tried to work on her parole again what she didn't know was that the Home Office had already made the
01:36:14
recommendation that she should never be released however this wasn't going to be
01:36:19
announced until 1994 so Hindley prepared herself for parole bid Timms Ernesto got her a therapist the
01:36:27
therapist stated just like toping had that Hindley showed most emotion when talking about Pauline and Lesley
01:36:33
whereas when she spoke about John Keith or Edward she'd do it like she was reading it from a book when the
01:36:40
therapist wrote his final report on Hindley they argued over a particular word she used to describe the crimes
01:36:46
excitement Hindley wanted the word to be removed since it would put her in a bad light
01:36:52
but her therapist insisted it was important and accurate so it would stay Hindley planned a life outside Trisha
01:37:00
Ken's entered her life again in 1989 and at one point she quit her job in Manchester to move to London where she
01:37:06
lived in a house owned by Astor who fully supported their relationship Trisha went as far as taking catalogs of
01:37:13
furniture to choose with Hindley for the life they would share when she was released
01:37:16
although Hindley was having a relationship with another woman at the same time Nina Wilde a dutch criminology
01:37:23
student who was at cookin wood prison as part of a placement scheme she found Hindley to be smart sensitive and good
01:37:30
company the both of them are also banked on Hindley leaving prison and sharing a
01:37:35
life together Hindley when as far as making an official application to live in Amsterdam however she was informed she'd
01:37:42
have to demonstrate her ability to adjust to a British community first Brady continued his campaign to make
01:37:49
sure Hindley would never be released he wrote to the Sunday Mirror and told them
01:37:54
there were more murders they had committed he knew Lee responded to later on my mother's life which I hold
01:38:01
the dearest there are no others not to my knowledge and certainly none that I have taken part in but that's not to say
01:38:07
there aren't any in December 1994 Hindley was informed by the Home Office that her campaign for parole had been in
01:38:15
vain she had been marked never to be released Hindley took the news so badly that she
01:38:21
was put on suicide watch she remained on permanent observation for some time afterwards Hindley's therapist said this
01:38:28
about the news she hoped that somewhere sometime there would be a home secretary
01:38:33
robust enough to put her out there secretly if not openly she firmly believed that she could be given a new
01:38:39
identity she referred to the boys who killed a James Bulger and very often to Mary Belle she felt strongly that what
01:38:47
was good enough for Mary Belle was good enough for her on February 1st 1995 in Dooley wrote to
01:38:54
the Home Office and inform them that due to her treatment in prison she no longer
01:38:58
felt physically or mentally capable of undergoing hypnosis the idea of hypnosis is something that had been proposed by
01:39:05
topping to try and help find Keith Bennett's burial site Hindley was initially open to the idea until she
01:39:11
found out she was never getting released in March 95 in Dooley wrote another letter this time stating she may be open
01:39:19
to hypnosis if she was transferred back to Durham prison in the months that followed Keith's mother Whitney Johnson
01:39:25
spoken negatively to the press about Hindley and her unwillingness to help Hindu Lee told her solicitor the
01:39:32
following she's become as bad as mrs. West if she's so constantly disgusted with or about me why doesn't she ask Ian
01:39:39
Brady to jeopardize his mental health with hypnosis please express my disgust with her in a discreet away as possible
01:39:48
as the year continued the home office dropped the hypnosis idea altogether since they felt Hindley would only
01:39:54
participate if she was given parole on November 14th 1995 Hindley drafted a new appeal petition
01:40:02
and wrote all my years in prison have reinforced my belief for the crimes of any kind are totally destructive not
01:40:08
least for the victims but also for the perpetrators all I would want to do is lead a quiet life keep out of the public
01:40:16
eye perhaps if possible do something quietly useful and then my days in relative obscurity in Julie's
01:40:24
possibility to lead that quiet life came in 1997 when she was appointed a high-profile barrister there was no
01:40:31
coincidence the barrister was married to one of the Lord Longford granddaughters
01:40:35
he applied for a judicial review in Hindley's case the media was all over the story Danni Kilbride John's brother
01:40:42
quit his job to petition against Hindley and managed to collect 40,000 signatures
01:40:47
in ashed and underlined alone from people who believed Hindley should die in prison on December 18th 1997 the
01:40:55
divisional court dismissed the appeal in early 1998 Hindley was transferred to High Point a medium security prison in
01:41:04
Suffolk that same year she wrote an open letter to the press where she gave a whole new version about the crimes and
01:41:11
her relationship with Brady she stated her relationship with Brady was an abusive one where Brady would threaten
01:41:17
rape and hit her she said she was always covered in bruises and bite marks as an
01:41:24
explanation as to why she held Brady with the crimes she said Brady drugged her and took pornographic pictures of
01:41:29
her which he threatened to show everyone she knew if she didn't help him the pictures did exist they'd been found
01:41:35
during the police investigation they showed Hindley in crotchless black pants and her and Brady having sex with
01:41:41
white hoodies that covered their faces I also showed Hindley with whip marks Brady explained that the idea was to
01:41:49
sell them and the whip marks weren't real they were drawn with lipstick he said the photos were taken
01:41:54
consensually Healy said that Brady had also drugged her grin on one occasion and threatened that the next time it
01:42:00
would be her sis than her mother and so on unless she helped India Lee said she applied for a
01:42:07
job in the Navy in Germany to escape Brady but in the end she stayed since she felt she had no choice she named
01:42:14
many other instances of physical and verbal abuse and concluded the following about Pauline read on you I had a choice
01:42:21
I could either just wave at Pauline and drive past her in which case she would have lived and I would have had to enjoy
01:42:27
the consequences of Brady's rage this all happened in split seconds I looked at Pauline and saw my sister there and
01:42:34
my gran and my mum I made the choice of having to sacrifice Pauline so that my own family would be
01:42:40
safe I felt sick with fear and self-loathing as I asked her if she wanted a lift she readily accepted and I
01:42:48
opened the passenger door to the car for her to get in she claimed that after the
01:42:52
killing of Pauline Brady told Hindley she would end up in the grave with her if she tried to back here when they
01:42:59
cleaned up at the house Brady took out a bottle of Drambuie to celebrate and told
01:43:03
her that he'd done it the perfect murder he asked Hindley how she felt about it and she told him she never imagined
01:43:10
something like that happening and began to cry Brady held her and told her he try and
01:43:16
control his temper and Hindley promised she tried not to provoke him then he stroked her hair and Hindley said this
01:43:23
new tenderness touched the core of her heart and she suddenly felt all the love for him she felt in the beginning and it
01:43:30
was this tenderness and love that took place in between the murders that made her help once again before John's murder
01:43:37
when Brady told her that he wanted to do another one but he wanted someone smaller Hindley was reluctant to help so
01:43:44
he strangled her until she agreed Hindley felt as if the pattern of her life had been mapped out but she
01:43:50
couldn't stop loving him nonetheless Brady is adamant that these claims by Hindley are a load of [ __ ] and
01:43:57
Hindley was just as willing as he was in all the murders he responded with an open letter of his own stating that
01:44:04
everything Hindley said was a lie Hindley's therapists also commented and said it was about time that Hindley took
01:44:11
responsibility for her crimes instead of trying to make excuses Hindley and her supporters continued
01:44:18
fighting for her release until the very end Lord Longford and asta both remained
01:44:22
vocal until their deaths in 2001 in 2002 the House of Lords ruled that the Home Secretary should not have the power to
01:44:30
increase prison terms and that the possibility of Hindley being released became a very real one so the Home
01:44:36
Secretary ordered Greater Manchester police to come up with new charges to keep her in prison
01:44:42
Hindley gave an interview soon after this news and said that her only wish was to not die in prison she didn't get
01:44:50
her wish on November 15 2002 at 4:55 p.m. Hindley died in hospital of bronchial pneumonia a radio station
01:45:01
offered 500 pounds to listeners if they could guess the time of her death Hindley died at West Suffolk Hospital
01:45:08
she was transferred there from prison when no health deteriorated the hospital burnt every single item Hindley came
01:45:15
into contact with and had nothing to do with the disease a spokesperson from the
01:45:21
hospital said though urbane quote sensitive to future patients Hindoo his funeral was funded with her estate and
01:45:29
what was the left afterwards reportedly went to charities there were rumours some went to their National Society for
01:45:35
the Prevention of Cruelty to Children just like Hindley had one of the funds from her autobiography to go to but the
01:45:42
Society said they had never saved any funds from Hindley and even if they had they would have immediately returned
01:45:48
them Hindley had requested the presence of twelve close family and friends among
01:45:55
the ones who didn't attend we're Marines widow bill their daughter Sharon and Hindu Lee's mother Nellie because she
01:46:01
was too frail to make the trip at the funeral which took place on November 20th the priests used the story of the
01:46:07
prodigal son from the Bible because he felt she was the prodigal daughter according to him she gone away from the
01:46:15
decency of humanity and from God but somewhere she made the decision to return to us into the church God forgave
01:46:21
her and she became a different person Hindley's ashes were given to trisha cans her former partner who scattered
01:46:29
them at the foot of Saddleworth Moor [Music] both appalling reads parents died before
01:46:37
Hindley Amos in 1996 and Joan in 2001 in one of the last statements Joan gave she
01:46:44
talked about Pauline and said she's not suffering now no one can hurt her now I feel her that close you see that seems
01:46:53
to back me up a lot I feel her so close to me I miss her so much I still do she's my little girl
01:47:02
Sheila kilbride died before Kimberly as well when John was killed she cried for two years straight until his body was
01:47:09
found she also continued setting a plate for him at the table for a very long time when John's brother Danny heard of
01:47:17
Hindley's death he couldn't believe it and he phoned the authorities to see if he could attend the funeral he was told
01:47:23
he would be arrested on the spot if he turned up in the end Danny was just glad Hindley would no longer be pestering for
01:47:29
parole Leslie's mother in West died in 1999 in one of her last interviews she described how Leslie's grave had been
01:47:38
vandalized several times on one occasion someone wrote let Mayra go on her headstone and ended up moving Leslie to
01:47:47
a secret spot she also went to see Robert Spears who'd founded Leslie and gave him a plaque as a thank you for
01:47:53
bringing her daughter back to her before passing away she gave the following message to a journalist for Hindley if
01:48:00
there is such a thing as haunting and ghosts I'll be on her shoulder morning noon and night she'll not get rid of me
01:48:08
Edward Evans family stayed away from the press ever since the trial back in 1966
01:48:13
Winnie Johnson cried when Hindley died and said quote and every opportunity I begged Hindley to tell me exactly where
01:48:22
Kate's grave was but in my heart I knew she was a wicked sadist who would never tell and would take a terrible secret to
01:48:29
the grave David Smith moved to Ireland with meri in 1994 to start a new life they continued to face the wrath of the
01:48:39
public and press over the years David said this wrath is what led to the destruction of him and Maureen but with
01:48:46
Mary and made them stronger when he found out Hindley died he felt relief Mary on the other hand cried because she
01:48:53
believed the entire media and public outcry would start all over again Brady saw the news from Ashworth
01:49:00
hospital where he was being kept in the psychiatric ward when he heard he remained sitting still instead at the
01:49:07
television with an expressionless face in 2013 Brady was denied a transfer to a prison he's been trying for years to be
01:49:15
moved to a prison in Scotland because he wouldn't get force-fed there his wishes
01:49:19
to die of starvation in 2003 the search for Keith in the Moors resumed under the
01:49:26
name operation mayita detectives visited Brady but like before and led nowhere they searched mostly at Shani Brook
01:49:34
using the information from the previous searches and Bradys photographs after a few years the operation came to an end
01:49:42
in 2012 a broken Spade was found believed to be related to the burial of Keith and recently a double-barreled
01:49:50
shotgun was found with gun cartridges lengths of rope plastic sheeting a motorcycle glove and a hunting knife
01:49:56
under rocks in subtle worth more David Smith died in 2012 aged 64 he was vilified throughout his entire life but
01:50:07
as one detective put it he was a bit of a rum customer but if it hadn't been for
01:50:12
Smith more children would have been killed Evans would have ended up on the moor
01:50:16
and the way would never have been any wiser one of the last statements David Smith gave was at Saddleworth Moor and
01:50:24
it was directed at Brady he said no one should lie in an unmarked grave do you understand what I'm saying no child
01:50:32
should be without a headstone when they die the very least you can give them is that somewhere for their family to visit
01:50:38
a stretch of Blake filled with no one knowing they're there it isn't right I think you understand I hope you do
01:50:47
Keith's mother Winnie Johnson died in 2012 after her death Kate's brother Allen wrote the following on his website
01:50:55
searching for Keith calm as far as I'm concerned until Keith is found then he is still in the possession of Brady and
01:51:03
Hindley our fear as a family is that now my mother is no longer with us this may
01:51:07
be seen by the police in the media as some sort of closure to the case this must not be allowed to happen both out
01:51:14
of respect for Keith and my mother's memory and for those who love them both police are still hopeful they will find
01:51:21
a Keith over the years some detectives have described the Bradys attention to detail and cleaning up forensic evidence
01:51:27
put him as much as twenty years ahead of his time for many years the name Mara was banned in the UK not officially of
01:51:35
course but mother's refused to name their daughters Mara because of the public outrage in Billie cause in 2001
01:51:43
Brady published the gates of Janus a book about the psychology behind serial killers in order to illustrate how a
01:51:50
person feels about the crime they committed he quoted a poem by WH Auden called the too many believed Brady used this
01:51:59
poem to describe himself and Hindley the two by WH Auden you are the town and where the clock we are the guardians of
01:52:13
the gate in the rock the two on your left and on your right in the day ending the night we are watching you
01:52:22
why is it doctor asked just what has occurred to them who disobeyed our word to those we were the whirlpool we were
01:52:30
the reef we were the formal nightmare grief ended the unlucky rose climb up the crane learn the sailor's words when
01:52:41
the ships from the islands laden with birds come in tell your stories of fishing and other men's wives the
01:52:47
expensive moments of constricted lives in the lighted in but do not imagine we do not know nor that what you hide with
01:52:57
such care won't show at a glance nothing is done nothing is said but don't make the mistake of believing us that I
01:53:05
shouldn't dance we're afraid in that case you'll have a fall we've been watching you over the garden wall for
01:53:14
hours the sky is darkening like a steam something is going to fall like rain and
01:53:20
it won't be flawless when the green field comes off like a lid revealing what was much better hid
01:53:30
unpleasant and look behind you without a sound the woods have come up understanding round in deadly present
01:53:39
the bolt is sliding in its groove outside the window is the black remove has been and now with sudden Swift
01:53:47
emergence come the women in dark glasses and humpback surgeons and this is his man this might happen any day so be
01:53:57
careful what you say or do be clean be tidy oiled the lock trim the garden wind the clock remember the two
01:54:12
Brady's former psychiatrist professor Malcolm McCulloch has suggested that when Brady was taken to the Moors in
01:54:18
1987 in an attempt to find Kate's body it could have been nothing more than an attempt by Brady to exercise further
01:54:25
control over his victims families and that it's more than possible Brady checked on the gravesite while he
01:54:31
was there but didn't point it out McCulloch said quote final control is possession of the body I know you don't
01:54:42
know you want to know and I'm not going to tell you [Music] you