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The value of a top tier developer is so
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high that you'll take a spy.
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>> Yeah, exactly.
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>> It's like ah, you know, we kind of need
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them to ship. You look at a country like
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North Korea, they need revenue.
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>> Yep.
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>> Hacking's pretty great revenue source.
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They were even using AI. My
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understanding, and I'm sure you've been
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following this, to get developer jobs in
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the United States, convince Americans to
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put laptops in their homes
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>> so that they could remote work.
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>> You know, when when you have a piece of
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malware, it's like, okay, that's bad.
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You can detect it. But when you have to
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tell a company that their employee may
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not be their employee, you have
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>> it's a little gentle. Like
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>> you have to be gentle.
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>> You're letting them know just how
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incompetent they are when it comes to
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security. I said it, not you.
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>> And we found hundreds now over
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>> hundreds in America. They were doing it,
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my understanding is for the highpaying
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salary to fund stuff in North Korea. Is
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that correct or not? They were doing it
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to get trade secrets.
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>> They were doing it to buy access. Why
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breakin when you can just log in?
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>> Oh my god.
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>> Yeah. You know, so it's a lot easier to
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get somebody hired. True story. We
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actually say we think this employee is
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not an employee. They investigate it and
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they go, "Yeah, you were right." I said,
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"Well, tell me the story." And they
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said, "Well, we we went to this person's
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boss and we said, "We don't think that's
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a real person." And they went through
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all the reasons why. Finally, they said,
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"We think it's a North Korean." His boss
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said, "Well, do we have to get rid of
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him because he did such good work?"
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>> Oh my lord. So, the value of a top tier
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developer is so high that you'll take us
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by.
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>> Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, we
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kind of need him to ship.