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I didn't think wild and out would be the
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billion dollar conglomerate I was just
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creating a show because Kevin Hart
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needed money to pay his rent please
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welcome
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[Music]
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Mr host comedian true Superstar who's in
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Nick Cannon I'm me
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Nick you've been a Pioneer I read that
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one of your companies has generated more
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than a hundred million dollars that was
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just in our headphones sale we have a
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tour that makes millions a cruise line
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restaurants as a kid I learned that I
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may not be the most talented person in
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the room but I'll be the hardest worker
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in the world that's how you get it some
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people play basketball and that's a
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basketball players don't try it if you
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try it it's not gonna do it as if
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there's no other option so by the time I
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was 17 I started writing for Keenan and
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kale the youngest staff writer in TV
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history yeah I was like Harry Potter
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with the pig and then Will Smith signed
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to me I was living my dream life but I
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always felt like I had a ticking clock
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the latest on the health scare from Nick
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Cannon Nick Cannon has lupus if you
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don't catch it and control it it you can
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lose your life pretty quickly you said
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that you wouldn't be alive right now if
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it wasn't for Mariah Carey yeah it makes
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you question what are you going to do
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with the time that you you have on this
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planet what impact are you going to make
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when you're not afraid of dying you
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focus on living and then you dealt with
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the loss of your son at just five months
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old due to brain cancer
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you never know how strong you are to the
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only option
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[Music]
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Nick what do I have to understand about
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your earliest years to understand the
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man that you are today
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I'm gonna steal that question
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uh
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I'd have to say that uh
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optimism
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youthful optimism
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you know some call it imagination
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but I the world was just
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so big but yet so tangible for me you
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know uh I felt even as you I felt like I
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had this magic that I could just
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manifest anything
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uh good or bad you know what I mean it
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was a
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I I lived this life to where as small as
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the community was
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disenfranchised and maybe
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not as upwardly mobile as as uh one
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would see from the household I had this
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big imagination and in my mind is
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superpower that I could be do or
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whatever whatever I wanted I it was all
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in my grasp and I could I don't know
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where I got it from but I was just as a
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kid as a teenager
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I always felt like I had this ability to
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to walk in a room and get whatever I
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wanted
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but the environment that you were raised
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in wasn't one of yeah great abundance
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yeah that's what was so crazy about it
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like I would you know even growing up in
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the projects growing up in scenarios
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that we didn't have a lot but I felt
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like I had a lot I felt like
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I was always destined for to and it
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wasn't even like about Fame it wasn't
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about
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um money it was just about
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I like my life I'm gonna have fun I'm
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gonna have a good time I was always that
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you know you know let's
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let's smile about it you know what I
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mean uh even in some
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difficult and he had tumultuous times I
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would still find you know a silver
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lining I would still find a way to smile
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through pain and
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uh it's it's worked you know it's always
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kept me
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level-headed you know
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um even in the midst of having a
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a a abnormal and extraordinary life it's
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like
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even the thing that humbles me is the
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fact that I'll just enter spaces with
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gratitude and optimism
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even in pain
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what was your family home like
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see that's the thing like probably
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looking back at it
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one would be like it definitely wasn't
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Orthodox you know and we didn't come
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from much but
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it was joyous it was filled with love
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you know my parents had me you know as
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teenagers they were young I went to my
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dad's High School graduation like uh
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but
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you know his parents helped raise me my
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mom was constantly working you know
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school work my dad went off to college
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uh
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and then you know I kind of felt like I
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grew up with my parents uh and their
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parents assisted in raising us all so
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but it was households filled with love
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um but you know wasn't traditional by
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any means so there there were the
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obstacles of you know trying to figure
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it out and
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parents and grandparents putting food on
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the table uh but that I think that also
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gave me a different type of drive to say
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all right we're gonna we're gonna have
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to make something out of nothing
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your parents separated when you were
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very young obviously I feel like my
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parents had sex once
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just one time
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and then I showed up uh because they
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were kids man you know like I don't
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really know
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the intricate details of the
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relationship but I definitely knew they
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weren't together
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um it was a
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but not not enemies by any means you
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know what I mean they were they were
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just teenagers they were kids so uh
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after you know I was born they kind of
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went their separate ways but
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my dad's parents kind of kept kept
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everyone together and it was a
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close-knit thing and you know when when
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my mother needed assistance and uh my
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grandmother would would be there to help
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her out my father's mother and even
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though my father necessarily wasn't
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physically present for you know he was
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you know actually doing
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good things for himself where you know
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getting a college degree and trying to
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figure it out and have a family
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infrastructure elsewhere uh
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his mom would help my mom kind of keep
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me afloat he turned his life around
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quite significantly didn't he yeah yeah
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yeah my dad was definitely headed down a
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path uh of Destruction early on and then
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it clicked for him you know
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through some experiences of you know
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incarceration
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you know being able to kind of leave
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some of those
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substances out there that were you know
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kind of the downfall of you know the
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community in the 80s he was he was able
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to escape and get put his life on the
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right path and you know dedicated his
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life to his ministry and helping others
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it worked
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when you were you were a young man you
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nearly went down the wrong path yeah I
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went down there figured like it made a
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u-turn went back you know what I mean
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like uh
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I I think human nature we all kind of
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gravitate towards the unknowing
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sometimes and that usually is the past
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header are sometimes the darkest
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sometimes like you just want to
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you don't want to do the responsible
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thing you don't want to do what your
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parents may suggest so I I definitely
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have a rebellious nature I'm definitely
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an anti-authoritarian I'm definitely the
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kid that has to feel that the pot is hot
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you know they're like okay I'm not gonna
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I know what getting burned feels like so
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um I think it's probably just my
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you know nature of exploring and wanting
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to understand things
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it's cool it's cool to be a bad boy when
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you're young uh and especially when for
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me the mold wasn't necessarily presented
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that way so
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I I definitely went through a stage of I
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want to prove to people that you know
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I'm I'm not a Goody Two Shoe all the
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time and I would that took so much
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touring to do
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um but then it's also a lot of it is
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environment when you grow up in
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especially Southern California you know
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there's times where
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uh the life of gang violence was
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glorified and you know whether it's
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through music through entertainment
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through our culture you know
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uh when you come from the trenches you
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get a certain level of respect you get a
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certain level of uh
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reverence
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so I I grew up admiring a lot of that
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and therefore kind of took that path a
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few times but you know luckily I didn't
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get caught up you know like
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some of my my other friends and
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Associates did what saved you from that
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puff creativity like I said that
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optimism which then obviously was
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transmuted into entertainment
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when you're a young man say you're like
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between the age of 10 and 14. if I'd
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asked you what you wanted to be and what
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you thought you'd be when you were
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42. yeah yeah what would you have told
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me
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uh same thing a rapper you know probably
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that if it was just as simple as like at
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10 years old what I was focused on I
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loved hip-hop
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I loved I knew I was in my mind I was
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famous in the hood like I just wanted to
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eat because I was already doing stuff
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there you know what I mean I always had
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demo tapes and I was already connected
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to our
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to our streets and our blocks just as
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being in the community somebody with a
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voice not always a positive voice I was
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you know I was considered a uh
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[Music]
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I try to think I wasn't a bad kid but I
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was a kid that everybody knew about you
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know but luckily
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my art my creativity allowed people to
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appreciate me
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um even at 10 years old like within my
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family within my community what did your
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art and creativity look like at that
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stage rap music yeah it was loud it was
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adhd-ish it was the kid who could do it
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all you know kind of also had a church
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background so I was you know I was
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always I was a Class Clown at school
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trying to be funny starting to just
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figure out oh there's careers in that
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space so I started to look up to a lot
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of people like the Eddie Murphy's
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uh even the you know at the time The
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Fresh Prince as we know is Will Smith
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but he was just he was just charismatic
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funny rapper at the time so those were
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you know but at the same time I was
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looking up to the ice cubes and two
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shorts and you know which was a whole
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different energy
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um so that was kind of like my makeup of
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like well I want to be like these guys
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and you start doing stand-up comedy at
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11 years old I had 11. that's TV
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officially doing it at 11. I have been
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you know doing stuff in church and stuff
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you know trying to make people laugh but
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like first stand-up stage I got home was
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I was 11 years old strikes me as someone
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that grew up very quickly yeah
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because I I was always caught an old
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soul
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uh and I think it was because I grew up
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around
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older people with uh my grandparents
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kind of being you know
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Patriarchs for me
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um
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their children were my siblings my
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father who was you know a teenager was
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somewhat more of like a big brother type
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of uh thing so like even the way he
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dealt with me and even the people that I
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dealt with in my community I just I kind
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of had mannerisms and a jargon that was
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a little little wise beyond my years
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you're a big brother as well right yeah
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and then you know ultimately my dad had
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a my mother's only child but my dad had
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five five boys in total so you know I
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was the and I was the oldest and he and
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I's connection was different than you
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know the connection with my younger
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brothers because I was almost someone
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you know
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I was closer to my father
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then you know his parenting style was
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different with me than it was with you
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know his younger children it boggles my
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mind that someone at 11 years old starts
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doing stand-up comedy yeah because it
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takes takes some guts and some
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confidence to do that but I guess that
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speaks to who you were at 11 years old
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yeah by 15 years old you're at The
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Comedy Store
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yeah I mean I met so many comedians but
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Jamie was definitely one of the ones
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that kind of just because it's such a
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giving
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and loving individual kind of saw this
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kid and and was like I love it like come
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hang out like and because you know
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Hollywood was
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miles away from my neighborhood so uh
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figuratively and literally like it was
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just like I needed a place to stay a lot
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of times so you know catching
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catching car rides or even once I got my
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own vehicle I had nowhere to sleep so
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people would know that I was sleeping in
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my car
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or wouldn't have a place to sleep so
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people like Jamie Foxx would let me
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sleep on that couch
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Brothers like guy Tori if you've seen
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the Fat Tuesday documentary about you
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know the the black Side Of The Comedy
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Store he had a night that you know he
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would let me open up and as people were
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coming in I'd be entertaining the
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audience at like as a teenager you know
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and the guys like Chris Tucker and Damon
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Wayans and Eddie Griffin all these guys
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will be going on later on in the night
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but I was the guy I was the kid that was
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welcoming you know everybody into their
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seats and it'd be like Shaquille O'Neal
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and Kobe Bryant and Snoop Dogg and like
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all of these people in the audience and
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there's this 15 year old on stage you
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know rapping and telling jokes and you
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know everybody else saw something that I
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was just I was just having a blast I was
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I didn't think about what the future was
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going to uh to offer up I was just like
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yo this is this is a dream come true
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right now
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people might hear that and go oh he got
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lucky 15 years old whatever you know
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what was then talk to me about the
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intentionality behind that like if
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there's a 15 year old listen to
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listening to this right now yeah
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what did you do to put yourself there in
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hindsight it's not always easy to know
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in the moment yeah I was definitely a
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hustler like it what I don't think you
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know I don't believe in luck I believe
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in alignment you know what I mean like
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and you got to put yourself in those
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positions it's like you know some people
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say luck is preparation meets
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opportunity
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um
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I was always speaking
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myself into existence I would put myself
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in those environments like I I met Jamie
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Foxx because I walked up to him like yo
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what's up Jamie Foxx I'm Nick Cannon
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like ever since I was four years old I
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introduced myself as my full name like
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everybody used to think it was so funny
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like as a four-year-old I'm Nick Cannon
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like I just thought my name was cool I
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thought you everybody else you know you
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teach a kid to say their first name and
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it's funny I teach my children the same
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way like nah you got your full name your
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your your Monroe Cannon you're you know
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your powerful Canon you know what I mean
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like and I think maybe I got that from
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such a cool last name like I think my
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dad probably did that his dad probably
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did that like it's just like they called
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you know my grandfather they called him
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Cannon or daddy Cannon it was just like
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it's such a cool name so and that's why
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I was like I believe it's so much in the
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name but so even as I think those steps
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kind of ordered
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the personality so then when I would
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find myself in scenarios that I would
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take advantage of them I wasn't a shy
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kid wasn't overly outgoing kid either I
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wasn't like I I kind of my 80d kind of
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maybe
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shifted like made me always
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seeking attention or like I don't say I
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was seeking it I got attention because I
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was always doing something I was always
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in some because I was just trying
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to figure it out therefore I got a lot
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of attention and a lot of it probably
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wasn't positive attention but it was
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just attention
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um
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and then from there you know that
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shifted you know I grew up around
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Hustler so I was like all right we're
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gonna try to we're going to figure it
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out if it was a door over there I'm
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gonna figure out how to get in that door
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uh and that's how I was able to rub
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shoulders and you know I I studied rooms
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and I'm like all right I if I'm a if I'm
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a maneuver in here I gotta do it in a
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way that
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not just based off of instinct I gotta I
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gotta put a plan together and I I move
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like that you know since
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since again I think this is fascinating
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I looked at the back end of our YouTube
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did you learn from Jamie Foxx What What
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In lasting influence has he had on you
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the way you are your career your
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perspective it's so interesting man I
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have so many great mentors coming up
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um I feel like a lot of my first part of
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my career
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I always acknowledge and bigged up Will
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Smith yeah because he was so influential
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to me uh you met him from Jake by
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through Jamie not well yeah yeah I guess
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yeah yeah but it wasn't directly like
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Jamie didn't introduce me to will but
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Jamie had a Comedy Festival called
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laughapalooza that uh Will Smith's
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company Overbrook saw me at that Comedy
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Festival and gave me a holding deal at
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the time what they were called and kind
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of signed me to Will's company which
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then I got to meet will you know a few
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months later after getting that
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opportunity in Atlanta at La for palooza
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um
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and then that's when will and I's
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relationship uh began when I was about
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16 years old so it's like I met Jamie
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when I was 15 and then I met will when I
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was 16. it's hard to think of many more
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greater multifaceted entertainers than
00:19:09
Will Smith and Jamie Foxx man that's
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what I'm saying like they they trained
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me like and it's it's so crazy because
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two of the nicest human beings you would
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ever want to meet like never seen like
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it's what you see on camera is that's
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who they are you know what I mean like
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like walking a room everyone
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gravitates towards them they they're
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they're loud they they know how to have
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a good time like that's just who those
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guys are so I don't think I'm naturally
00:19:39
like that like I I I talked to Kevin
00:19:42
about that a lot like when I come in a
00:19:43
room I'm quiet Kevin Hart like like uh
00:19:46
he's one of those guys that like
00:19:49
they they're loud they're like everyone
00:19:51
loves them like I'm more like I'm in the
00:19:54
corner I'm watching I'm observing I know
00:19:56
how to be that I can you know I can joke
00:19:58
with the best of them and get as much
00:20:00
attention and stuff but I'm I'm a little
00:20:02
more reserved uh and that's like to
00:20:07
finally answer your question in a very
00:20:08
long-winded way like the things I
00:20:10
probably learned from Jamie is
00:20:12
I observed him so much that
00:20:16
he's such a great Storyteller I've
00:20:18
stolen all of the tricks of when he can
00:20:21
get everybody around the table and tell
00:20:22
the story he's he's such a great
00:20:25
impromptu type of guy I could sit down
00:20:27
at a piano and you know sing a song and
00:20:30
get everybody like I know all of those
00:20:32
tricks and I'll probably learn that from
00:20:34
him you know what I mean just watching
00:20:36
how to you know Captivate a room in a
00:20:39
very jovial manner uh no matter what's
00:20:42
going on but uh man yeah he's and just
00:20:46
his his his thespian muscle is so strong
00:20:50
you know what I mean and I think from
00:20:52
whether he's being a silly character
00:20:54
he's being something that's so tuned in
00:20:56
uh and understanding the subtleties and
00:20:59
really embodying you know all of his
00:21:02
characters I learned a lot of that from
00:21:03
him as well too and will so you describe
00:21:05
Willis you're mentoring you from 16
00:21:08
years old yeah the thing I learned from
00:21:10
him is hard work and and really like
00:21:13
obviously I've heard he said this quote
00:21:16
so many times like I may not be the most
00:21:18
talented person in the room but I
00:21:20
guarantee you I work the most challenges
00:21:23
in the room or or have also heard him
00:21:25
say I'm you know I may not be the most
00:21:27
talented person in the room but I'll be
00:21:28
the hardest worker in the room uh and he
00:21:31
just
00:21:32
if you want something
00:21:34
he's not gonna stop until he figures it
00:21:36
out you know and he dedicates himself in
00:21:40
that manner
00:21:41
you know when this job is done he's
00:21:43
gonna
00:21:44
stop where everybody else is going to go
00:21:45
to sleep he's gonna go work 10 more
00:21:47
hours to either perfect that craft or on
00:21:50
to the next thing and I saw that at you
00:21:54
know as a teenager I'm like okay that's
00:21:56
how you get it that's what I'm gonna do
00:21:58
I'm if you're not sleeping I'm not
00:22:00
sleeping you know and it'd be times like
00:22:02
up in the studio all night and then
00:22:04
being on set early in the morning and
00:22:06
you just you're so grateful and
00:22:09
appreciative of the opportunity that you
00:22:11
want to be the best you could possibly
00:22:13
be
00:22:15
correct any of the errors in your ways
00:22:17
when you're a young man you're 16 years
00:22:18
old you've got a perspective yeah
00:22:20
he thought I mean every I mean before I
00:22:23
met will I didn't know how to
00:22:25
even musically I know how to rap 16 bars
00:22:28
I didn't know what that was like I knew
00:22:31
I knew music counting you know what I
00:22:33
mean but I didn't know a verse
00:22:35
specifically a rap verse was supposed to
00:22:38
be 16 bars and I think that culture
00:22:40
might have had just started to happen
00:22:41
because everybody wasn't writing 16 bars
00:22:44
and 80s you know what I mean sometimes a
00:22:47
song would be seven verses or sometimes
00:22:50
you know like people would just but I
00:22:51
feel like they were there in the 90s
00:22:53
they're beginning this uh infrastructure
00:22:57
of songwriting uh obviously most
00:23:00
choruses and hooks are about eight bars
00:23:03
uh and then therefore
00:23:06
you had to have a hot 16 double that was
00:23:09
your verse and will taught me how to
00:23:11
write because I was just writing he
00:23:13
would give me a beat or I get a track
00:23:14
and I would just write and just memorize
00:23:17
it and then be like oh well let me spit
00:23:19
this for you and he's like you need some
00:23:21
infrastructure around that he's like you
00:23:23
got some good stuff there so even as you
00:23:27
know simple as something like that is
00:23:29
but then he also just life ways man I
00:23:31
learned a lot about
00:23:34
Integrity character
00:23:36
um obviously perseverance from him and
00:23:39
then stuff that he went through as a
00:23:41
teenager he passed on to me and even I
00:23:44
didn't listen but I learned you know he
00:23:46
went broke you know at 19.
00:23:50
um after winning a Grammy and having a
00:23:53
platinum album
00:23:55
just spending it all on cars and living
00:23:58
fast he did I think my first check was
00:24:01
somewhere from him like 150 200 000 and
00:24:04
I went and bought uh the exact same
00:24:07
Range Rover he had and he's like I'm the
00:24:09
biggest movie star in the world like I'm
00:24:12
he's got millions I got a hundred and
00:24:15
fifty thousand dollars and I went and
00:24:17
bought a Ranger he told me don't do it
00:24:19
he's like man he's like I don't do that
00:24:22
like you gotta there's other things to
00:24:24
do with that money and this is from the
00:24:26
person who gave it to me
00:24:28
um
00:24:29
and he was right I totaled that Range
00:24:32
Rover six months within having it and
00:24:35
ended up having to move back to my mom's
00:24:37
house probably a year later because
00:24:39
thinking that you know all I'm signed to
00:24:42
Will Smith the opportunities but you
00:24:44
don't like that's money that you're
00:24:45
supposed to survive on those everything
00:24:48
that you know uh that was a time I I
00:24:51
wrote uh and created a television sitcom
00:24:54
three wheels company called Loose Cannon
00:24:57
and it was like me in a military school
00:24:59
a teenager in a military school thinking
00:25:00
they was going to get picked up we got a
00:25:02
six episode commitment Will Smith the
00:25:04
executive producer Quincy Jones is on
00:25:07
set like everything Stan Lathan is the
00:25:10
director of the pilot like everything
00:25:12
I'm like oh I'm set
00:25:14
the entire network of the WB makes a
00:25:16
shift and they don't pick up the show so
00:25:19
it's like I thought I was I was and it's
00:25:22
so funny I didn't ever even think about
00:25:23
these correlations the one of the
00:25:26
executive producers and writers was
00:25:28
Bentley Kyle Evans who's a writer and
00:25:31
creator of Jamie Foxx at our my time
00:25:34
slot was scheduled to come on my show
00:25:36
was gonna air right after the Jamie Foxx
00:25:39
Show so I was like it was all together
00:25:43
and it didn't happen and you howled at
00:25:46
that point 19. same age will was when he
00:25:49
had to refigure it out I think we shot
00:25:51
it when I was 18. uh but 19 is when they
00:25:57
let me know that it wasn't it wasn't
00:25:59
gonna move forward probably one of the
00:26:01
biggest heartbreaks in my life I
00:26:02
probably I cried for days
00:26:05
uh because I didn't you know that's the
00:26:08
thing when you you think you're you've
00:26:10
arrived
00:26:11
uh and then it snaps from under you and
00:26:14
there's no plan
00:26:16
I had nobody there even the people that
00:26:18
is going to be all right I didn't
00:26:19
believe them like I was like I was just
00:26:22
on the Warner Brothers lot but you know
00:26:25
in my Range Rover and you know like I I
00:26:29
saw the millions I saw me being the
00:26:32
biggest young star in the world
00:26:34
everybody was rocking with me into
00:26:37
everybody's gone like that
00:26:40
and it was just uh and it wasn't like
00:26:42
they abandoned me it was more like
00:26:43
everybody had to move on to their next
00:26:46
thing I had to be the one to figure it
00:26:48
out so that was uh that was probably one
00:26:51
of my greatest life lessons that will
00:26:53
even taught me in directly I mean
00:26:55
because he was warning me the whole time
00:26:57
uh and he held me down you know
00:27:01
time and time again since then you know
00:27:03
I mean it was uh
00:27:04
it you know I wouldn't have got Drumline
00:27:07
if it wasn't for him it was wasn't it
00:27:09
like I said it wouldn't have my first
00:27:10
record deal if it wasn't for him so it
00:27:13
was I I truly it's funny
00:27:16
I can get a little esoteric real quick
00:27:19
but I I have this when it comes to like
00:27:22
akashic records and and you know energy
00:27:25
I feel like you're placed in certain
00:27:29
it's it's the the law of synchronicity
00:27:31
like I feel like certain things just
00:27:34
happen
00:27:35
uh because they are constantly happening
00:27:38
there's certain energies that just are
00:27:40
attracted to each other
00:27:41
and I for whatever reason
00:27:43
people like Will Smith
00:27:46
Jamie Foxx like they're throughout my
00:27:49
career
00:27:50
they're always there they're always even
00:27:53
when they're not like we may not speak
00:27:55
every day we make but they we always
00:27:58
connected like even the same thing like
00:27:59
you know I call Kevin Hart my best
00:28:01
friend of me like it's just like we've
00:28:03
all since day one even when we're not
00:28:06
trying to be connected we're connected
00:28:08
like we're doing projects together we're
00:28:10
we're thinking of like he might he might
00:28:12
create a car show and I would create a
00:28:14
car show he has a restaurant I have a
00:28:16
restaurant like it's not like it looks
00:28:18
like competition but it's like oh no
00:28:20
like we just we're on the same frequency
00:28:22
like we're just we just operate the same
00:28:25
and those people kind of attract each
00:28:26
other they attract each other like and I
00:28:28
think that's like when people talk about
00:28:29
like secret societies and I think it's
00:28:32
like it's not it's not like this formed
00:28:34
meeting it's just like like-minded
00:28:36
individuals like people who operate on
00:28:38
the same frequency they they there
00:28:40
doesn't have to be this written rule
00:28:43
book it's just like oh no we intuitively
00:28:45
this is we we move like this we
00:28:48
gravitate towards certain things and
00:28:50
it's it's unfortunate because people who
00:28:52
operate in low frequency that it's the
00:28:55
same way and it's like you know you you
00:28:59
I was like damn that person not can't
00:29:00
can't catch a break it's like Ah that's
00:29:02
because they're living in that frequency
00:29:04
that well does that frequency look and
00:29:06
feel like it's slow it's thick it's
00:29:09
heavy blame yeah yeah victimization is
00:29:14
anger it's it's it's you know what I
00:29:17
mean it's like one of those things where
00:29:19
jealousy yeah all of that said like it
00:29:22
and it's unfortunate because of people
00:29:24
who operate in it they don't know that
00:29:25
they're in it
00:29:27
and it's almost like they they almost
00:29:29
desire that and they feel like they have
00:29:32
to have angst and anger to to get their
00:29:35
point across like man you know you're
00:29:36
doing so much more damage to yourself
00:29:39
uh and you're digging yourself Deeper by
00:29:44
pointing fingers at people who were on a
00:29:48
completely different frequency and they
00:29:49
don't even hear you and you're you're
00:29:52
clouding up your existence
00:29:56
instead of just like
00:29:58
stepping out of that frequency
00:30:00
you were the youngest ever staff writer
00:30:02
right 17 years old yeah I think I mean
00:30:04
unless somebody's beat it before like I
00:30:06
think TV history yeah I think
00:30:08
because working on Keenan and kelbridge
00:30:12
by the way was massive in the UK yeah
00:30:13
yeah I mean again
00:30:15
two of the most beautiful people I've
00:30:17
ever experienced uh specifically Keenan
00:30:21
Keenan is like my brother like my our
00:30:24
mothers are like best friends yeah like
00:30:29
um
00:30:30
he they they gave me the opportunity
00:30:32
because they were kids too and I started
00:30:35
off doing warm-up in the you know kind
00:30:37
of entertaining the the studio audience
00:30:40
when you know they're moving the cameras
00:30:42
around and stuff and people are like yo
00:30:43
that kid is something more entertaining
00:30:46
than what's going on on stage so they're
00:30:48
like he has a voice so do my management
00:30:51
you know Michael Goldman is still my
00:30:52
manager to this day he's still Keenan's
00:30:54
manager like Keenan actually I feel like
00:30:56
I don't know if Keenan introduced me to
00:30:58
because Keenan would hang out in the
00:31:00
comedy clubs
00:31:01
and I was in awe of him because he's
00:31:03
Keenan from Kenan and kale and we're in
00:31:05
some he's a few years older than me but
00:31:07
I'm like he's doing what I want to do so
00:31:09
we were kind of you know catch each
00:31:11
other and I would you know I wouldn't
00:31:14
jock him too much but I'd be like ask
00:31:16
him questions and stuff so one night his
00:31:19
manager came to um
00:31:21
to The Improv on Melrose with and I was
00:31:25
doing stand-up and you know they
00:31:28
produced Keenan and Kel and all that and
00:31:30
all that stuff so they gave they allowed
00:31:32
me to do the warm-up job and then from
00:31:34
there I'm in so I'm like you know I was
00:31:37
like yo we should write something so I
00:31:38
went to Keenan wrote a couple episodes
00:31:40
and he you know he was like yeah let's
00:31:43
do it I remember we wrote one episode
00:31:44
with uh
00:31:45
Keenan had a crush on Tamiya at the time
00:31:48
like like he was like well if we all had
00:31:51
a crush on Tamia but he really liked you
00:31:53
know the singer to me and I was like yo
00:31:55
let's write an episode about your crush
00:31:57
out to me and when you get to me on the
00:31:59
episode and it worked you're like like
00:32:02
we got to Mia she was in the show I was
00:32:04
like this is amazing like you mean I can
00:32:06
write something that actually happens
00:32:08
like I was literally like I was like
00:32:10
Harry Potter with the pin like like I
00:32:13
couldn't um I couldn't believe that I
00:32:15
could write something in my mind and it
00:32:17
would actually come into fruition uh in
00:32:19
that beginning so I just began writing
00:32:21
everything and I figured it out and they
00:32:23
hired me as a staff writer for a bunch
00:32:25
of different Nickelodeon shows uh 17 18
00:32:28
years after 17 yeah Jesus because I
00:32:30
think I wrote we wrote the Tamia thing
00:32:32
probably when I was like 16. and then so
00:32:34
by the time I was 17 I had like an
00:32:36
official job and then I started writing
00:32:38
my own stuff and then hence I wrote my
00:32:40
own television show that I would later
00:32:42
then pitch to Will Smith you know in
00:32:44
that same time when you're 22 years old
00:32:46
which is the the Nick Cannon show right
00:32:48
well no remember I said the the Loose
00:32:51
Cannon shows that didn't get the big
00:32:53
lesson I learned that I was still a
00:32:55
teenager then so but it's the way I got
00:32:58
back on my feet after Loose Cannon
00:33:00
didn't get picked up I then wrote my own
00:33:02
show for Nickelodeon which is
00:33:04
interesting because I was so I did that
00:33:07
out of
00:33:08
to be honest I wasn't even
00:33:11
proud or even I kind of did that out of
00:33:13
just like
00:33:15
I don't have nothing else to do
00:33:17
so let me create and produce my own show
00:33:21
because I felt I was at a low point I
00:33:24
was 19 and you know how this game
00:33:26
sometimes if it doesn't work they'll
00:33:29
spit you out like that was my shot like
00:33:32
I was like oh
00:33:34
I had
00:33:35
I was signed to Will Smith I had it was
00:33:38
the Protege of all of these big
00:33:40
comedians I had you know hundreds of
00:33:42
thousands of dollars worth of holding
00:33:44
deals with Networks usually that you
00:33:47
only get that shot once so I was like
00:33:49
damn I blew my wad at 19. like I gotta
00:33:53
go get a regular job now like that's
00:33:55
like that's what I was thinking like I
00:33:58
was gonna go back to hustling in the
00:33:59
streets and but it was
00:34:02
I was like all right well maybe it's
00:34:04
nickel I I was doing Nickelodeon so I
00:34:06
still got the relationships maybe I'll
00:34:08
just ride a kids show you know but I was
00:34:11
thinking I was about to be the next Will
00:34:13
Smith the next Jamie Foxx
00:34:15
all right I gotta go do children's
00:34:17
television and
00:34:19
through that I exercise these muscles as
00:34:22
a writer as an executive producer and
00:34:25
even like now like
00:34:27
I didn't I didn't have you know the
00:34:29
foresight to know how powerful you know
00:34:33
Children's Entertainment is how it's one
00:34:36
of the most dominating forces to be able
00:34:37
to entertain families that you know I
00:34:40
utilize in every aspect of my business
00:34:43
now I used to look at Nickelodeon as
00:34:46
like
00:34:47
preschool you know what I mean but I
00:34:49
didn't know that they were the billion
00:34:50
dollar conglomerate of you know
00:34:52
Nickelodeon Disney like I didn't
00:34:55
understand that then because I was in it
00:34:58
um so yeah I created the Nick Cannon
00:35:00
show for Nickelodeon
00:35:01
you know garnered a massive youth fan
00:35:05
base through through that when I look at
00:35:08
you being 22 years old writing this then
00:35:10
it Cannon show you being 17 writing for
00:35:12
Keenan and Kel I go like where did you
00:35:15
get the repetitions like where did you
00:35:16
get the skill from and if I was to if
00:35:18
you if I had like a a baby Nick Cannon
00:35:21
here yeah and I had to do something to
00:35:23
give him the skills that you had at 17
00:35:25
where you're writing hilarious things
00:35:27
where did where does that skill come
00:35:30
from
00:35:31
I think stand up to be honest stand up
00:35:33
because
00:35:34
writing my own jokes from 11 years old
00:35:37
and then by the time I'm 12 13 I'm
00:35:40
seeing deaf Comedy Jam Comic View I'm
00:35:44
seeing all of these things happen
00:35:46
and I'm watching these individuals
00:35:48
become their own intellectual properties
00:35:51
becoming their own business becoming
00:35:53
their own producers one thing about
00:35:54
stand up you have to write direct
00:35:58
perform promote Market all by yourself
00:36:01
it's a one-man show so I think by the
00:36:05
time I had whole no skills at like 15
00:36:07
16.
00:36:09
I knew how to do it I knew how to write
00:36:10
a script I knew how to write a great
00:36:12
joke I knew how to you know hours of
00:36:15
sitting in libraries and figuring out
00:36:17
words hearing stories like all of that
00:36:19
stuff was starting to pay off uh and I
00:36:23
knew like I just zoned in like you kind
00:36:25
of like again like when you know this is
00:36:28
my space this is my flow
00:36:31
you operate in your gift so I think just
00:36:35
you know trial and error as well too but
00:36:37
like I just figured it out you know what
00:36:39
I mean like this is what
00:36:41
is a gift that I have so I'm gonna
00:36:43
continue to operate in it they say
00:36:44
you're gonna put in 10 000 hours to
00:36:45
become a master or something yeah and
00:36:47
actually when I run the numbers I go
00:36:48
listen you started at 11 yeah and then
00:36:50
you wrote your own show at 22. that's
00:36:52
more than a decade yeah of repetitions
00:36:55
in the gym yep and then even and to me
00:36:57
then even then I was still just getting
00:36:59
started you know what I mean like again
00:37:01
the beauty of like even Nickelodeon like
00:37:04
even I I mean it was because I think the
00:37:06
Nick Cannon show was I was from I did it
00:37:09
from like age I started 19 and it ended
00:37:12
right when I turned 22.
00:37:14
um
00:37:15
I was a baby I looked like I was 15 like
00:37:18
everybody thought I was much younger
00:37:20
than how I even was so you know that's
00:37:23
when everything else from like Drumline
00:37:25
and my music career began and I was a
00:37:28
baby then too and then so
00:37:31
it just like I said I lived so many
00:37:34
lives and learned so many lessons early
00:37:36
on that even as I said here before you
00:37:39
today I'm like I'm still just getting
00:37:40
started like I still got still got so
00:37:43
many more movies that I got to do I
00:37:45
still got so much more music I got to
00:37:46
produce I still got so many more
00:37:48
television shows I gotta write so like
00:37:51
uh a few kids come to you there and they
00:37:54
say Dad how do I become
00:37:57
the master of my craft how do I become
00:37:58
the top of my industry not only have you
00:38:00
become the top of your industry in many
00:38:01
facets but you've been around people
00:38:03
that have got to the top of the industry
00:38:05
so the things you point out and the
00:38:07
similarities and the people that get
00:38:08
there what are those similarities if I'm
00:38:10
your kid and I come to you and say Dad I
00:38:12
wanna I wanna get to the top of the
00:38:13
industry what's the advice you give to
00:38:15
them
00:38:16
do it I think especially now it's as
00:38:19
simple as that sounds
00:38:22
that's what it is today like
00:38:25
do it and stick to it like don't give up
00:38:29
like do it efficiently do it because
00:38:31
this is don't try it if you try it
00:38:35
it's not gonna work if you do it
00:38:38
like that's even like even when people
00:38:40
always talk to me about acting like how
00:38:43
do you know or become a great actor
00:38:46
do it like it's not like it's not
00:38:50
believe it it's not uh acted you gotta
00:38:55
actually every embody every aspect of it
00:38:59
like do it as if there's no other option
00:39:01
like if you try something that's you
00:39:03
sticking your foot in uh if you believe
00:39:06
it you're kind of like I think I yeah
00:39:08
like okay but when you do it when you
00:39:11
live it when you operate in it where
00:39:13
there's no other option of like like you
00:39:16
know it's like it's some people who like
00:39:18
you know they play basketball and then
00:39:22
somebody's like oh no they they're a
00:39:23
basketball player you know what I mean
00:39:26
like there's some people who who
00:39:28
train or tried a box you're like no
00:39:30
that's a boxer you know what I mean like
00:39:33
they embody it they live it you gotta
00:39:36
and that's what my and even with my own
00:39:38
kids I'm like all right what do you just
00:39:40
naturally do we're just swag naturally
00:39:43
at why naturally
00:39:44
because it's like some of my kids are
00:39:47
just natural athletes they're physical
00:39:49
build
00:39:50
their what they gravitate towards and
00:39:53
then all right I'm gonna water that I
00:39:54
must I'm a I'm gonna cultivate that seed
00:39:57
and that's what because they have fun at
00:40:00
it then there's something on my kids
00:40:01
that are just like natural musicians
00:40:03
that just gravitate towards the piano
00:40:06
like they just they have fun on it yeah
00:40:09
and then it's like okay I'm gonna I'm
00:40:11
gonna help you with that what is the fun
00:40:13
Mata well I mean that's that's the
00:40:16
that's the battery like that's and
00:40:18
that's what if they ever lose the fun at
00:40:20
least for me like when it's no longer be
00:40:22
fun becomes fun and why are we doing it
00:40:25
you know are you doing it for money are
00:40:28
you doing it for like no you got to do
00:40:29
it because you enjoy it I find that fun
00:40:31
part so important but a lot of the time
00:40:34
people don't appreciate it and I love
00:40:35
your your reference of the battery
00:40:37
because a lot of people will be
00:40:39
orientated because they come from tough
00:40:40
upbringings to go what's going to make
00:40:42
the most money yeah and what I love
00:40:44
about what you said about the fun thing
00:40:45
is ultimately well it's my belief that
00:40:48
the thing that'll actually make you the
00:40:49
most money is the thing that you can
00:40:50
Master anything that you can Master is
00:40:52
the thing that you can do for 11 years
00:40:53
exactly which is the fun thing exactly
00:40:55
it's like I always say uh
00:40:58
money doesn't make you happy happy makes
00:41:00
you money
00:41:01
and then it goes to the concept of happy
00:41:04
money or good money because there's
00:41:08
definitely
00:41:10
the opposite of there's bad money in
00:41:13
their sad money
00:41:15
be and I've seen so many people live in
00:41:19
that frequency
00:41:21
sad money
00:41:23
like
00:41:24
like stingy
00:41:26
fear that people only want you for your
00:41:30
money loneliness loneliness in this big
00:41:34
Glass Castle by yourself
00:41:36
you got all the money in the world like
00:41:39
we we know those entertainers you know
00:41:41
what I mean like man they they put
00:41:43
themselves in this this Glass Tower
00:41:46
and everybody could see him
00:41:48
and they hate that everybody could see
00:41:49
them
00:41:50
and they're so lonely
00:41:52
and it's like
00:41:54
they got more money than they know what
00:41:56
to do with and then everything becomes
00:41:58
about a transaction hmm like
00:42:01
and you can see they have the biggest
00:42:04
yacht in the world
00:42:06
most Diamond studded watch ever and
00:42:09
they're miserable
00:42:12
and it's like that's sad money that's
00:42:13
and it becomes bad money you know what I
00:42:16
mean like they're making and it's it's
00:42:18
vindictive they're they're not honest
00:42:21
they get it in a way they're like man
00:42:23
how do you sleep at night like the music
00:42:25
industry is filled with bad money
00:42:28
and I've I've seen people they take
00:42:30
advantage like it's literally designed
00:42:33
in these contracts that's why I never
00:42:35
really wanted to be I didn't want to
00:42:38
thrive in it once I saw it I'm like oh
00:42:40
it's so manipulative it's about is one
00:42:43
person robbing another Robin another
00:42:44
Robin another and it's like that's not a
00:42:47
fun industry to be in like clearly
00:42:50
there's some people who figure it out
00:42:51
but even as a as a music executive I'm
00:42:54
like I don't I don't want to operate in
00:42:57
dishonesty I don't want to operate in
00:42:59
manipulation and it's just like that
00:43:01
entire industry is designed off of that
00:43:04
and but it's it's ways to you know Farm
00:43:10
few between but you can operate with
00:43:12
happy money and good money because the
00:43:14
crazy thing specifically about music it
00:43:16
brings so much joy to the world
00:43:19
that the industry shouldn't be in a low
00:43:23
frequency place like everybody should be
00:43:25
able to thrive and win and provide for
00:43:27
their families but there's a lot of
00:43:29
people who aren't musically inclined who
00:43:31
aren't musically talented who don't know
00:43:33
how to have happy uhness with music that
00:43:36
latch on
00:43:39
and control the artists and then
00:43:41
therefore they run the industry and they
00:43:46
operate on a lower frequency of like
00:43:48
you know I'm going to control your your
00:43:51
intellectual property and I'll make more
00:43:54
money off of it than you did even though
00:43:56
you made it from such a pure and happy
00:43:58
place there's a balance
00:44:00
it was a balance act or or a I don't
00:44:02
know a conflict between being selfish
00:44:05
enough that you you get on and you get
00:44:07
what you deserve but being generous and
00:44:10
kind enough so that you can stick around
00:44:12
and yeah
00:44:14
do you think about that the beauty of
00:44:16
narcissism
00:44:17
I I am uh that balance I am a narcissist
00:44:21
I I believe there's the balance of
00:44:24
narcissism
00:44:26
um
00:44:27
because you can go to you can go to an
00:44:29
extreme of narcissism and becomes
00:44:31
dangerous it becomes
00:44:33
uh maniacal becomes uh uh where you can
00:44:39
be a psychopath way or you're an a
00:44:42
sociopath where you have no empathy
00:44:45
that level of narcissism is unhealthy
00:44:47
that's to the extreme of these the
00:44:49
Spectrum but uh the balance of
00:44:53
confidence
00:44:54
of self-love of there's no other option
00:44:58
but me I am the I'm him you know like
00:45:02
LeBron James is him you know Kobe Bryant
00:45:07
him Michael Jordan him Michael Jackson
00:45:09
him you know Mike Tyson him you know
00:45:13
like all the mics you know the uh Will
00:45:16
Smith is him Chris Rock is him Jamie
00:45:20
Foxx is him you know and he uh Mariah
00:45:23
Carey is her Mary J Blige is her Beyonce
00:45:27
is her you know like all of those people
00:45:30
know that there is there will never be
00:45:32
another them
00:45:34
on the planet
00:45:36
and that is worth its weight in gold so
00:45:40
you have to have a level of self-love
00:45:43
self-promotion self-dedication all the
00:45:47
self is the key word the common word and
00:45:49
all of these things you have to love
00:45:51
self you have to know self not so much
00:45:53
that you hurt others or you think less
00:45:56
of others it's not because that's people
00:45:58
like oh you think you're better than
00:45:59
everybody else I don't care about
00:46:01
everybody else like it's not I don't
00:46:03
think I'm better than y'all I'm me like
00:46:06
in that to to a point it's it's a fine
00:46:09
line because you don't want to
00:46:11
disrespect anyone you still want to have
00:46:12
compassion you still want to have
00:46:14
empathy you still want to enter the
00:46:16
space of gratitude but this is my show
00:46:18
this is my party this is my this is my
00:46:21
block
00:46:22
that you you have to that's where that
00:46:26
success lies because without these
00:46:28
narcissists we wouldn't have you know
00:46:30
electricity we wouldn't have iPhones we
00:46:33
wouldn't have great music we wouldn't
00:46:36
have great like the director of the
00:46:39
movie is the director for the reason
00:46:40
he's the boss he knows he's the he
00:46:43
knows his vision is the one that
00:46:45
everyone else has to align with to make
00:46:47
a great film was there a point in your
00:46:49
career where you realized that you
00:46:50
needed to change in some way to get what
00:46:52
you deserved and to get what you're
00:46:53
worth
00:46:54
ah nah I don't think so really I had to
00:46:56
learn lessons because you're 15 I see
00:46:59
you coming up I go He's Got Talent yeah
00:47:01
I could you know get him to sign a bad
00:47:03
contract yeah I can take his money yeah
00:47:05
that's like I've learned I've learned
00:47:07
all of those lessons
00:47:09
um and people have tried to forewarn me
00:47:11
and stuff like that but uh
00:47:13
the thing I think the beauty that you
00:47:16
know the the aura that everybody's seen
00:47:18
is that's been consistent it's what you
00:47:21
do with it you know I've never let no
00:47:23
one put out my Flame you know it's it's
00:47:25
constantly burned for
00:47:28
the type of individual that I want to be
00:47:30
that I
00:47:31
you know the my purpose
00:47:34
um
00:47:35
so you know we all have trials and
00:47:37
tribulations
00:47:39
uh I you know you got to learn how to
00:47:42
Bob and weave but you're still the the
00:47:45
fighter in which you're supposed to be
00:47:47
you know like the whatever made you jump
00:47:49
in the ring from that day one
00:47:52
you're going to cultivate those skills
00:47:54
you know I mean you may be a defensive
00:47:56
fighter and that's how you win your
00:47:57
fight sometimes then you know uh you but
00:48:00
early on in your career you know you are
00:48:02
a puncher you know then you had to be
00:48:05
more of a thinker you know but at the
00:48:07
end of the day you're still a fighter so
00:48:09
I think guys whatever I I am I still
00:48:11
have this desire in me to to be a winner
00:48:15
I have this desire in me to to beat the
00:48:19
odds to some there's something about
00:48:21
like when someone tells me I can't do
00:48:24
something or tells me no I'm that fuels
00:48:28
me and it's been that way since
00:48:31
day one since you know my my 80d since
00:48:34
my anti-authoritarian behavior like it's
00:48:37
just like I'm gonna push through I'm
00:48:39
gonna persevere I'm gonna do what I want
00:48:42
and I'm not gonna let Society or
00:48:45
individuals tell me I can't
00:48:49
22 years old you start writing well done
00:48:52
out yeah you start writing at that point
00:48:54
I think it you you then self-fund the
00:48:57
pilot yeah at 25 years old yeah probably
00:49:00
before that because I self-funded in
00:49:03
2004.
00:49:05
so that might have been I might have
00:49:07
been 23 uh and again I had just seen
00:49:10
some success with film and music and
00:49:14
um I just started I was kind of one of
00:49:17
those guys that Drumline was out and
00:49:20
I had you know my album and stuff so
00:49:22
people but I was still doing stand-up
00:49:24
and I was like everybody's like oh he
00:49:26
does so many things and he hosts it and
00:49:28
I had a a deal with
00:49:31
you know Viacom at the time obviously
00:49:33
they had Nickelodeon and then you kind
00:49:36
of like graduated from Nickelodeon go to
00:49:37
MTV so I was in that stage of developing
00:49:40
things for MTV uh and they didn't
00:49:43
understand what I wanted to do when I
00:49:44
was saying that I want to get all my
00:49:45
comedian friends together and all my
00:49:47
rapper friends together and we just like
00:49:49
do improv and play games and they're
00:49:52
like we don't get it so I was like all
00:49:54
right so I rented out one of the comedy
00:49:57
clubs that me and my guys would normally
00:49:58
frequent uh got some cameras together
00:50:02
uh I think I man I want to say it was
00:50:05
somewhere around like a hundred thousand
00:50:06
dollars that I put into like that night
00:50:08
uh promoted it had everybody come out
00:50:11
you know got some beautiful people to
00:50:14
stand around and look beautiful and you
00:50:17
put a hundred thousand dollars of your
00:50:18
own money into the pilot yeah to show
00:50:20
MTV yeah and then uh once we put it all
00:50:24
together you know edited creating logos
00:50:26
showed it to them and they're like oh we
00:50:28
get it now but you know I had by then I
00:50:31
created the intellectual property had
00:50:34
you know copyright and patented the name
00:50:38
of wilding out uh the logo so when it
00:50:41
was time to negotiate when I knew that
00:50:43
they wanted the show
00:50:44
we we had the you know the the strong
00:50:47
side of the table because we knew they
00:50:49
wanted it and we had already created it
00:50:51
and that instantly was like oh this is
00:50:53
the business model that I want to
00:50:55
continue to operate under most people
00:50:57
don't figure that out until much later
00:50:58
in life if at all by owning their IP is
00:51:03
key to getting the value that they
00:51:04
deserve for their work yeah well now I
00:51:07
feel like everybody knows the Secret's
00:51:09
out you know I mean when you look at
00:51:11
YouTube and yeah you know the ability of
00:51:14
that we could create great content you
00:51:16
know for a very cost effective amount
00:51:19
like you know wilding out that probably
00:51:21
wouldn't cost me a hundred thousand
00:51:23
today yeah you know because everything
00:51:26
back then to get a cameraman yeah that
00:51:30
was a couple thousand dollars you know
00:51:32
what I mean and you know doing my own
00:51:33
thing now yeah like exactly
00:51:36
um yeah everybody knows now to if they
00:51:39
create it and they'll come and then you
00:51:41
build your fan base on your own and then
00:51:42
you can sell it to a larger corporate so
00:51:45
I feel like that model is being you know
00:51:47
kind of a little bit look at Mr Beast
00:51:49
you know I mean like I'm so I'm so
00:51:51
jealous so all like everything that he's
00:51:55
doing at 24 25 like I was trying to do
00:51:57
back there but there was no there was no
00:51:59
YouTube I got I was doing this you know
00:52:02
on VHS you know yeah but uh
00:52:06
I love it you know what I mean I love
00:52:08
watching what even I mean the beauty of
00:52:12
my brand now is what I started in 2004
00:52:16
is still going strong and probably more
00:52:19
popular today going into 2024. it's
00:52:22
crazy you know what I mean you're about
00:52:24
to film series 21. we just filmed 21 so
00:52:27
we're going into 22 and 23. I figured
00:52:30
out a model now how to do two seasons in
00:52:32
one so
00:52:34
um most shows don't last for a season
00:52:36
let alone 21 Seasons yeah I think my
00:52:39
goal is 25.
00:52:41
so
00:52:42
what happens at 25 it'll be the 20th
00:52:45
year
00:52:46
25. do I gracefully bow out is 25 25
00:52:50
Seasons like do I hand it off to
00:52:52
somebody else to like I'll probably be
00:52:55
getting close to 50 by then like
00:52:59
I can't while out forever no no I gotta
00:53:03
stop at some point I think I'm probably
00:53:05
too long in the tooth now I mean that's
00:53:07
why I even created the old school new
00:53:08
school it's funny
00:53:10
everybody when I first created it all
00:53:12
little while and out girls all of the
00:53:14
cast members all of the crew were older
00:53:18
than me and it was weird that everybody
00:53:19
was listening to this kid
00:53:22
tell them what to do and like even the
00:53:24
my OG's like you know Katt Williams and
00:53:28
you know a lot of the guys who are on
00:53:30
the show and right Chris Spencer and
00:53:31
Daryl Heath like these guys were guys
00:53:33
that I looked up to uh that were on my
00:53:37
show
00:53:38
uh and now I'm the overhead and I got
00:53:42
all of these other young kids like the
00:53:44
DC Young flies and everyone I'm like
00:53:47
it's so crazy to have the same brand and
00:53:50
I literally grow up on you know like I
00:53:53
remember being a kid trying to get these
00:53:55
comedians to listen to me and like what
00:53:58
do you know and now I'm the guy telling
00:54:00
with the platform yeah so
00:54:03
give me a few into into that platform
00:54:05
that you have and that you've built the
00:54:07
entertainment company that sits behind
00:54:08
it the talent that you have because it's
00:54:10
not so obvious to people yeah you know
00:54:12
people kind of probably think okay while
00:54:13
they're now he's he does this whatever
00:54:14
he's the host whatever but when I did
00:54:16
the research on the company that you've
00:54:18
built behind it it's a pretty it's a
00:54:20
huge business behind all of that and
00:54:22
you're involved in a lot of things yeah
00:54:24
I mean there's so many aspects of it I
00:54:26
mean I I truly look at it as a blessing
00:54:28
I'm so grateful for it because it was on
00:54:30
a job job training I didn't say I didn't
00:54:33
think wild and out would be the billion
00:54:35
dollar conglomerate that it is because I
00:54:38
was just creating a show to give my
00:54:40
friends jobs because Kevin Hart needed
00:54:42
money to pay his rent
00:54:44
like because he's being like it's just
00:54:47
real you know like we were trying to
00:54:49
create something because I was the only
00:54:51
one that was you know seeing some
00:54:54
success out of our you know our
00:54:56
generation at the time and I was like oh
00:54:58
let's Let Me Shine a Light on these
00:55:00
dudes that are way funnier than me that
00:55:02
are way more talented than me you know
00:55:04
like uh and then I built a business out
00:55:07
of it of incubating of
00:55:10
uh cultivating young Talent so much so
00:55:13
that when they're ready we we see Pete
00:55:16
Davidson go on to become one of the
00:55:18
biggest stars in SNL in a movie star we
00:55:20
we see same thing with like Mikey day
00:55:23
and Tara and kill him and you know uh
00:55:27
the Katt Williams and Kevin's to become
00:55:29
some of the biggest stand-up comedians
00:55:31
to ever tour the world like they they
00:55:35
got they you know they they feet wet
00:55:39
they they skills honed on one of the
00:55:41
toughest stages like if you look at what
00:55:43
wild and out is if you if you Excel and
00:55:46
survive there
00:55:47
you're going to be a star yeah because
00:55:49
you're in a this is The Godly this is
00:55:52
the combine this is the best of the best
00:55:54
in the grimiest of of this we're going
00:55:58
to test your insecurities we're gonna
00:55:59
test your anxiety and then
00:56:02
you succeed and you get the love from
00:56:05
people that you respect and then once
00:56:08
the industry sees that do whatever you
00:56:10
want so I I didn't
00:56:14
I couldn't have designed that but it
00:56:16
happened and I was like wow I didn't
00:56:18
know I was literally right I did we were
00:56:21
just in the trenches but it's like it's
00:56:23
so much so like we create an environment
00:56:25
that most entertainers are scared to
00:56:27
come to they're like man I don't want to
00:56:29
go a while now they're going to talk
00:56:30
about my mama are they going to talk
00:56:31
about my last Scandal or I don't know
00:56:33
how to rap her I'm not that funny off
00:56:35
the top of the head and it's like it's
00:56:37
intimidating so when you throw a kid in
00:56:40
there or whoever is in it and they Excel
00:56:44
they they've earned their stripes so now
00:56:47
they can walk into any room and like
00:56:49
yeah I was the man on wild and out and
00:56:51
now because it is a platform to propel
00:56:54
now you can go become a movie star now
00:56:56
you can go become a rapper or a singer
00:57:00
like so so that was really if I could
00:57:04
I'd be lying if I say I designed that
00:57:06
but yeah it became that and that's like
00:57:09
the blessing of God but then the
00:57:11
business behind it
00:57:13
you used to use the b word billion yeah
00:57:16
yeah I mean if you and it's I it's funny
00:57:19
I didn't even that was told to me after
00:57:21
they did all of the research and of you
00:57:25
know obviously what the IP is worth
00:57:28
because one I mean we're looking at 500
00:57:30
episodes of Television that alone
00:57:33
when you just do the math charge however
00:57:36
much you want to charge per episode what
00:57:39
that what you know and then
00:57:42
the
00:57:44
the careers that it's launched
00:57:47
and you know then go to where the money
00:57:51
really is in the actual intellectual
00:57:54
property so we have a tour that makes
00:57:58
millions
00:57:59
every year
00:58:01
um now even turning into a cruise line
00:58:05
you know the wild and wet like we have
00:58:07
restaurants that are being franchised
00:58:10
you know all over the country you know
00:58:12
we just expanded our our South Beach
00:58:14
location and on on Ocean Drive in Miami
00:58:19
um the the logo in itself the amount of
00:58:22
t-shirts where then we're probably uh
00:58:24
Paramount's number one uh selling yeah
00:58:29
Merchant uh t-shirt merchandise is that
00:58:31
everybody knows that wild and out logo
00:58:33
and it's it's on everything from
00:58:35
t-shirts to bikinis to underwears to
00:58:37
coffee mugs uh to toys uh it's things
00:58:41
like that that I was just trying to make
00:58:43
a cool t-shirt like I didn't think you
00:58:45
know for 20 something years people would
00:58:48
be buying wild and out t-shirts so stuff
00:58:50
like that that when and then even stuff
00:58:53
I never even thought of you know
00:58:55
we created wild and out before there was
00:58:58
a YouTube it's probably uh one of Viacom
00:59:03
if not V I think maybe The Daily Show is
00:59:05
probably right there but the biggest
00:59:07
digital brand that Paramount has
00:59:11
through Tick Tock YouTube you know I
00:59:14
feel like I think we might we're
00:59:15
somewhere north of 12 million YouTube
00:59:17
subscribers on the Wild and out page uh
00:59:21
12 million something subscribers on Tick
00:59:25
Tock seven million on Instagram and
00:59:28
that's just that's a TV show you know
00:59:31
what I mean when you think about it like
00:59:32
not the individuals who are on the TV
00:59:34
show yeah have even more followers this
00:59:37
is just the shows page so what you think
00:59:39
the brand is worth
00:59:40
I've heard different things I I mean
00:59:43
like I said when I initially when the
00:59:44
research back there was like a 1.3
00:59:46
billion but then that was years ago so
00:59:49
like I'm pretty sure it's grown because
00:59:51
now it's even more popular now so it's a
00:59:54
it's you know I try not to get caught up
00:59:57
in that because then I'm two things
00:59:59
happen like one I get in I start
01:00:02
gloating I'm like built this billion
01:00:04
dollar business and then the second
01:00:06
thing I was like Hey where's my billion
01:00:08
dollars like somebody owes me some money
01:00:10
like so I try not to get caught up in
01:00:13
that so like I I know I just know it's
01:00:15
very successful and I'm grateful that
01:00:17
it's still going I mean I can't wait to
01:00:19
find the next comedic Superstar can't
01:00:21
wait to find the next big rapper that
01:00:23
Grace is The Wild on stage what are the
01:00:26
other businesses or the business
01:00:27
ventures that aren't obvious that people
01:00:28
might not know about so you talked about
01:00:29
restaurants you sign Talent yeah
01:00:32
obviously wild and out brand is there
01:00:34
anything else going on that from the
01:00:36
business side of things that are isn't
01:00:37
obvious
01:00:39
specifically and wild out of everything
01:00:40
else everything
01:00:41
well I mean I've created incredible
01:00:43
entertainment uh in 2009 it was more of
01:00:47
a conglomerate where because I had
01:00:49
always had a record label but it was
01:00:50
separate from my television company uh
01:00:53
film a film I would produce the films
01:00:56
that I was in and stuff so I was like I
01:00:58
want everything
01:00:59
in-house I read that incredible
01:01:01
entertainment generated over 100 million
01:01:04
dollars in Revenue in 2009 and that was
01:01:07
I think that was just in our headphone
01:01:08
sales like because we did I had you I
01:01:11
did a headphone brand very similar to
01:01:12
Beats by Dre monster was the parent
01:01:15
company they did Beats for 300 and they
01:01:18
did Incredibles for a hundred dollars so
01:01:20
we were the more cost effective
01:01:22
headphones while Beats by Dre was
01:01:24
making all the noise we were quietly
01:01:27
making noise in Walmarts and the Radio
01:01:29
Shacks for selling an affordable product
01:01:31
that was pretty much the same product
01:01:32
except for we made ours uh affordable so
01:01:35
yeah just so that alone that was just in
01:01:38
consumer electronics that I would never
01:01:40
thought I was going to be uh you know
01:01:42
selling Electronics
01:01:44
um
01:01:45
so but yeah incredible and ultimately I
01:01:47
created a One-Stop shop that could be
01:01:50
everything from consumer products to
01:01:52
entertainment to so and it's been
01:01:57
thriving man it's been uh and it's kind
01:02:00
of I I guess my brand is somewhat known
01:02:02
of giving people opportunities uh and
01:02:05
finding that next
01:02:07
big things of where we're cultivators
01:02:10
we're curators we're uh incubators uh
01:02:14
and so a lot of the the content that
01:02:16
I've created
01:02:19
I found my niche I was going to say you
01:02:22
have a Simon kind of the entertainment
01:02:24
world but you're in fact just the Nick
01:02:25
Cannon of them yeah it's funny man
01:02:28
keilani is a um
01:02:30
me and Simon talk about that often
01:02:33
because I found her on America's Got
01:02:35
Talent on his show my show our show but
01:02:39
he wasn't paying attention you know what
01:02:42
I mean and it was like you know he was
01:02:44
focused on One Direction or whatever on
01:02:46
one of his other shows and I was like
01:02:47
you know kehlani came in
01:02:50
um and it was she was an amazing talent
01:02:53
she was and like I hate to say found
01:02:55
because she was already talented once
01:02:56
you get to America's Got Talent you're
01:02:58
already
01:03:00
proven you know uh and she was the the
01:03:04
lead singer for a group called Pop Life
01:03:07
which was put together I Believe by
01:03:09
Dwayne Wiggins from Tony Tony his sons
01:03:12
were in there too but she was clearly
01:03:15
the the star of this group and I
01:03:17
remember Piers Morgan uh was being an
01:03:20
as he does so very well
01:03:23
and he was he was telling a 15 year old
01:03:26
little chubby keilani uh to that she
01:03:31
should leave the group and the only way
01:03:33
that he would put her through and not
01:03:35
Buzz her off is if she left her band
01:03:38
because she was the talent clearly he
01:03:40
was right but like how do you put a 15
01:03:42
year old in that scenario and she stuck
01:03:44
to her guns and she said I'm not leaving
01:03:46
my brothers and everybody else on the
01:03:48
panel was like
01:03:50
we're gonna you know we we love that you
01:03:53
stuck to your gun so even though Piers
01:03:54
was being an ass
01:03:55
they put through they went all the way
01:03:57
through to uh
01:03:59
to the finale I think they performed
01:04:01
with Stevie Wonder on the finale as Pop
01:04:04
Life and then unfortunately you know
01:04:06
when you don't win life goes on she had
01:04:08
to go back home to Oakland and probably
01:04:11
met some hard times and I remember it's
01:04:14
funny
01:04:15
uh the father of her you know as we know
01:04:19
I knew as Gabby uh who also grew up in
01:04:22
that same music over and he called me
01:04:25
and said hey man you know that girl that
01:04:29
was on America's Got Talent she's
01:04:30
homeless now she's not doing so well I
01:04:33
was like what it's like yeah she's
01:04:35
you know not doing she's being a
01:04:38
teenager but like she needs help like I
01:04:41
didn't really know her background of you
01:04:43
know her father you know being murdered
01:04:45
when she was a child and a mother you
01:04:48
know uh dealing with substance abuse and
01:04:50
a lot of she has a very compelling story
01:04:53
of just the resilience of her and her
01:04:54
family and he they were explaining all
01:04:57
that and I was like yo give me your
01:04:58
information find who's our guardian and
01:05:00
kind of went and talked to the family
01:05:02
and say yo I'll move you to LA but first
01:05:05
we got to finish High School like the
01:05:06
one promise finish school I'll take care
01:05:08
of everything else a year later her
01:05:10
mixtape was nominated for a Grammy
01:05:12
so it's just like
01:05:14
just and you know so it's stuff like
01:05:17
that to where you know I was like
01:05:19
I put in the work to you know help her
01:05:21
out or tell Simon yeah you missed that
01:05:23
one you got a lot of other ones right
01:05:25
but you missed you you know you missed
01:05:26
that one and uh did you sign her uh see
01:05:29
that's the thing how I feel about
01:05:30
signing I don't I'm weird about that
01:05:34
I don't like signing people uh and
01:05:37
people everybody in my life is like
01:05:39
that's what you have to do I I would say
01:05:42
I didn't ask for anything I I
01:05:45
I was the uh impresario you know what I
01:05:49
mean I I funded scenarios because I
01:05:52
could so she didn't have to worry about
01:05:54
anything you know what I mean she had
01:05:57
uh roof overhead food on the table
01:06:00
anything she wanted studio time you know
01:06:03
we we figured it out I I introduced her
01:06:06
to you know the good people over at
01:06:09
Atlantic Records
01:06:10
uh and the rest is history
01:06:13
so hindsight's a wonderful thing yeah
01:06:16
yeah I didn't want no money from it you
01:06:18
know what I mean I do I do that for a
01:06:20
lot of people uh and it's created you
01:06:22
know me and Craig Coleman over at
01:06:24
Atlantic that's my man you know uh but
01:06:27
where a lot of people would
01:06:29
be you know kehlani would be signed to
01:06:32
them forever
01:06:34
I don't want that you know I mean I want
01:06:37
her to be able to provide
01:06:39
and do like I always tell everybody I
01:06:41
work with from the beginning
01:06:42
whether you make it or you don't make it
01:06:44
my life is still going to be the same
01:06:46
so I don't want anything from you but to
01:06:49
see you win I just want to see like I
01:06:51
don't but you could have I could there's
01:06:53
a lot of people and that that is their
01:06:55
business so where like I need my
01:06:58
percentage of every song that you write
01:06:59
from here on out because I found you I
01:07:02
discovered you I signed you my spirit I
01:07:05
don't sit well with my spirit
01:07:07
I uh
01:07:08
and that's this future Superstar show my
01:07:12
inner struggle when you watch it because
01:07:13
I'm on the show as well
01:07:15
I struggle with
01:07:17
signing these kids it's funny because we
01:07:19
go from City to City and I give
01:07:22
a local artist anywhere from five to ten
01:07:25
thousand dollars a city
01:07:27
and a lot of times that's what these
01:07:30
record labels are signing these kids up
01:07:32
for someone signed my publishing
01:07:36
away
01:07:37
when I was a teenager for ten thousand
01:07:39
dollars one of the biggest mistakes one
01:07:42
of the biggest lessons I've ever learned
01:07:45
so now I'm giving that ten thousand
01:07:47
dollars away to these kids and I don't
01:07:49
want nothing from you but to see you win
01:07:52
and that's me paying it forward that's
01:07:55
me correcting what this industry has
01:07:58
done to people
01:08:00
so
01:08:01
for so long so
01:08:03
I don't want if you want to sign with
01:08:05
Incredible that's your choice
01:08:08
that's I get you I you can sign to me if
01:08:10
you want to but I'm good like I almost
01:08:14
still be rich so I don't need anything
01:08:16
from you if you want to join the gang
01:08:18
let's go like you know there's benefits
01:08:22
and parts to be an incredible but
01:08:26
um
01:08:27
I don't I I it's a lot of people even
01:08:29
you know from my attorneys and people in
01:08:32
my my circle like man you gotta sign
01:08:34
these people how are you going How You
01:08:35
Gonna function how you going
01:08:37
allow your business to thrive if you
01:08:39
don't sign
01:08:40
well it's been working thus far so I
01:08:44
don't I don't wanna I don't like signing
01:08:46
people I don't like having ownership in
01:08:48
someone else's brand now we could be
01:08:50
collaborative we can write a song
01:08:52
together and we just split the
01:08:53
publishing we can you know
01:08:56
yeah it costs money to keep the lights
01:08:58
on you can use my studio yeah like and
01:09:01
you I get reimbursed you know down the
01:09:03
line when it's time but I'm not gonna
01:09:07
take something from you I'm not gonna
01:09:08
charge the artist like I said that's a
01:09:11
up concept that we just been
01:09:13
operating in and no one's ever corrected
01:09:16
it like why should we this is this is an
01:09:20
artist who's making brilliant art
01:09:23
and someone who had nothing to do with
01:09:25
it gets to own it forever in perpetuity
01:09:28
the this perpetuity
01:09:30
like like there's these terms and these
01:09:34
words that we just signed up for that is
01:09:37
just it's wrong but it's made a lot of
01:09:40
people a lot of money so they don't want
01:09:42
it to change but it has to change like
01:09:44
technology is making a change these next
01:09:47
Generations of people who have more
01:09:49
empathy and giving Spirits are gonna
01:09:51
allow it to change because I don't p i
01:09:53
don't believe people are are as
01:09:56
animalistic or are they're not they
01:09:59
don't have a Savage mentality like
01:10:01
and what's used to require I believe
01:10:04
we're more empathetic we're more
01:10:06
compassionate and it's starting to show
01:10:08
even in business I think you're right
01:10:10
though I think because of platforms
01:10:13
that middle man has less power than ever
01:10:15
so you say like oh maybe they're
01:10:16
becoming more empathetic maybe they have
01:10:18
no choice yeah because a Kalani or a you
01:10:20
or whatever now has all these platforms
01:10:22
where if you've got art and You've Got
01:10:23
Talent that's just gonna go viral yeah
01:10:25
and you're gonna have the followers yeah
01:10:27
on your account with and you own the
01:10:29
password exactly so they're going to
01:10:30
come with a different value proposition
01:10:32
is like oh I can introduce you to that
01:10:34
person I was telling people like
01:10:36
networking is stupid like like if you're
01:10:39
like focused on being the best you
01:10:42
they'll come find you like but there are
01:10:46
some people who made a lot of money
01:10:48
by networking that concept is like oh
01:10:51
this I know this person I can introduce
01:10:53
you to this
01:10:55
God bless you you know what I mean like
01:10:57
if that's how you like connecting I'll
01:11:01
get it but if we're really trying to get
01:11:04
the artist or the IP or the the genius
01:11:08
to the people
01:11:10
now
01:11:11
technology is doing it for us I have
01:11:13
this debate with my assistant all the
01:11:15
time because she tells me to network
01:11:17
more and I say to I say like my
01:11:19
networking is doing my thing yeah and
01:11:22
then you become a peacock or a magnet
01:11:23
versus me having to small talk in a room
01:11:25
for three hours exactly which I can't do
01:11:27
that I hate small talk in that maybe
01:11:29
we're just different type of individuals
01:11:30
yeah yeah yeah because there are other
01:11:32
people to be like your network is your
01:11:34
network yeah yeah I don't care who who I
01:11:38
know it's more about who knows me it's
01:11:40
it's I'm I'm gonna go over here and
01:11:44
figure it out and you're welcome to the
01:11:46
party like but I don't want to go to
01:11:48
your party like I don't want to hang out
01:11:51
with everybody dressed in white and got
01:11:53
on billion dollar watches I don't that's
01:11:55
not fun to me yeah like to each his own
01:11:58
but some people can do that yeah and I
01:12:01
and like I maybe because I've been in it
01:12:04
so long I've been to the white parties
01:12:07
before and wanted to show off and and
01:12:10
they were fun but like I'm at this point
01:12:13
like I don't I don't want to do that
01:12:14
that feels that feels like work to me
01:12:16
I'd rather be in a studio I'd rather be
01:12:19
with my children I'd rather be riding
01:12:21
somewhere uh and not to say that those
01:12:23
people don't do that as well I just like
01:12:26
that world is I I don't have a place in
01:12:31
it that's not where I could be my best
01:12:32
self I low-key though do Envy the people
01:12:35
that can do it and enjoy it and that can
01:12:37
be that Network and connect this person
01:12:39
to that one and just because it's an
01:12:41
energy that I just don't have I think as
01:12:43
an introvert I don't have that muscle to
01:12:45
like show up small talk my way to a
01:12:47
lunch with someone and yeah yeah
01:12:50
I'll tell everybody I'm an outgoing
01:12:52
introvert like like I am and that's what
01:12:56
me and Kevin Hart go back and forth
01:12:58
about all the time because he has that
01:13:00
gift
01:13:01
he walks in a room and lights it up you
01:13:05
know what I mean he know he knows this
01:13:07
person and this person and I'm like yo
01:13:09
that looks exhausting and this um that's
01:13:12
coming from a person who like my my
01:13:15
personal bandwidth is overloaded
01:13:17
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01:13:20
keep like I don't I don't give everybody
01:13:22
my energy like and that's probably why I
01:13:26
am a little bit more subdued in rooms
01:13:27
that's why I may not go to every event
01:13:31
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01:13:33
me to come something it's like nah I'm
01:13:34
good and it's not because
01:13:37
I just like my piece I just like being
01:13:40
with where I can be my authentic self
01:13:43
where I can be my best so I don't like
01:13:45
having to turn it on but I understand
01:13:48
when it's time to like I and it it's
01:13:51
award season you got you got to go do
01:13:53
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01:13:55
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01:13:57
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changed your life yeah
01:16:08
tell me for a super Loop like literally
01:16:11
pardon the plan with lupus
01:16:13
yeah man lupus nephritis specifically uh
01:16:17
in 2012 and here live in my dream life
01:16:21
you know married to
01:16:25
the most gorgeous beautiful super
01:16:28
talented person to ever step on the
01:16:30
planet literally my dream girl we got
01:16:31
two kids we're in Aspen I never like I'm
01:16:35
from from the hood I'm from the projects
01:16:37
you don't go to Aspen who are you
01:16:38
married to Mariah Carey
01:16:40
but it's like I'm in Aspen with my with
01:16:43
my wife uh and thinking I mean probably
01:16:48
some of the best shape of my life
01:16:50
go to boxing three times a week you know
01:16:55
what I mean got my own home gym in Aspen
01:16:59
yeah I mean like uh and I had the
01:17:02
weirdest pain in my uh in my right side
01:17:06
I'm like I'm thinking like a muscle
01:17:08
cramp or like like I'm gonna just jog
01:17:11
through it here I'm in high out uh you
01:17:14
know altitude
01:17:15
jogging in the snow thinking I'm gonna
01:17:18
do like it's my Rocky moment I don't
01:17:20
know what I was thinking uh and by the
01:17:22
time I got back to the house
01:17:24
passed out like and I didn't know like
01:17:27
like literally Mariah came in and found
01:17:29
me uh they called her you know rushed me
01:17:32
to
01:17:33
the ER in Aspen how did she find you I
01:17:36
was I don't know I was laid out like and
01:17:39
I I think everybody because you know I
01:17:41
think it was that bad because I had just
01:17:43
came from jogging in Aspen after like oh
01:17:46
he probably got altitude sickness you
01:17:47
know what I mean like I was just
01:17:49
dehydrated so that's what the narrative
01:17:51
we were going with so once I got to the
01:17:53
hospital like I just need some fluid IV
01:17:55
I'll be all right you know because that
01:17:57
happens because it happens on the ski
01:17:58
slopes people like my dumb ass was
01:18:01
jogging and up a mountain I'm probably
01:18:04
gonna pass out
01:18:05
um and I was only doing it to try to rid
01:18:08
this crap that I had I thought I could
01:18:11
like work it off
01:18:12
uh and then the longer I was in the
01:18:15
hospital they were like oh well maybe
01:18:17
you have a kidney stone
01:18:19
because there's something going on back
01:18:21
there and I was like no it wasn't a
01:18:22
kidney stone and you got the fluid
01:18:24
you're no longer dehydrated
01:18:26
all right well you know maybe we got a
01:18:29
kidney infection and then they wanted to
01:18:31
do a biopsy
01:18:32
and then through the biopsy
01:18:35
I think at the time it's kind of like
01:18:37
acute
01:18:38
kidney failure like it wasn't full like
01:18:41
I was I had caught it early enough to
01:18:44
where my kidneys didn't completely fail
01:18:47
and then they were and they found out
01:18:49
the reason why is that my immune system
01:18:52
was attacking my kidneys therefore the
01:18:55
my autoimmune condition Lupus and lupus
01:18:58
nephritis to where you know where your
01:19:01
immune system can get out of whack based
01:19:04
off of whether it's levels of stress uh
01:19:07
things that you're putting into your
01:19:08
body you know a lot of times it's not
01:19:11
hereditary they don't really know what
01:19:12
the cause of it is uh it's definitely
01:19:15
related to stress which I didn't think I
01:19:18
was stressed out but it's like obviously
01:19:19
there's various types of stress or
01:19:21
physical stress emotional stress but
01:19:23
this just can send your immune system uh
01:19:27
out of whack and therefore your immune
01:19:30
system then starts to
01:19:32
you know
01:19:34
self-destroy you know it starts to
01:19:36
attack the
01:19:38
whatever organs different people's lupus
01:19:41
attack different things mind uh
01:19:43
specifically where my kidneys uh which
01:19:47
then created a bunch of other stuff like
01:19:48
pulmonary embolisms and so like the
01:19:51
lupus started I started having these
01:19:52
flare-ups and it was doing a bunch of
01:19:54
stuff to my body and that if you don't
01:19:56
catch it you know in in control you
01:20:00
could lose your life pretty quickly so
01:20:02
it was a scary time I didn't understand
01:20:05
it uh but we got it in order you know
01:20:08
and even
01:20:09
I feel like I got a good hold on it now
01:20:10
but every once in a while it's a great
01:20:13
reminder that
01:20:15
health is wealth
01:20:17
health is currency health is the most
01:20:20
important thing uh next to time
01:20:23
that we possess and we we don't we can't
01:20:27
control the time we can control our
01:20:28
health we can control what you put in
01:20:30
your body you can control what you how
01:20:32
well you take care of yourself so
01:20:35
um my little pissed is my alarm clock
01:20:36
every morning
01:20:38
letting me know
01:20:39
you better do the right thing you better
01:20:41
drink your gallon of water you better
01:20:42
take your supplements you better you
01:20:44
know not eat too much sodium or process
01:20:46
they're like
01:20:48
just a a constant measuring stick to
01:20:51
keep me alive
01:20:53
how did that diagnosis change your your
01:20:55
life so if I was if I was in your life
01:20:56
at that moment yeah before that moment
01:20:59
and then during that moment you're
01:21:00
married you're you're still contending
01:21:02
with work and it changes it so much I
01:21:05
became a different person
01:21:08
both
01:21:09
you know um
01:21:13
certain things didn't matter anymore
01:21:15
other things matter too much you know uh
01:21:18
I started to overly value relationships
01:21:22
in time but then I that made me get rid
01:21:24
of relationships that were taking up
01:21:26
time and wasting my time
01:21:28
um
01:21:29
but it all became
01:21:32
I always felt like I had a ticking clock
01:21:35
but the ticking clock became more
01:21:36
apparent in 2012. uh that I gotta make
01:21:41
the most out of today because tomorrow
01:21:42
isn't promised my relationship with my
01:21:44
children
01:21:45
all of my children you know what I mean
01:21:47
like a lot of that all comes into play
01:21:50
to where like what are you going to do
01:21:52
with the time that you have on this
01:21:54
planet
01:21:55
what impact are you gonna make
01:21:57
so that's kind of that that's where in a
01:22:00
nutshell what it did
01:22:02
emotionally
01:22:04
if I'm if I'm Mariah at that time and
01:22:06
I'm dealing with a Nick that's
01:22:07
contending with this new diagnosis and
01:22:09
an uncertain future
01:22:11
yeah
01:22:13
yeah she was my rock man she was
01:22:15
um
01:22:16
she went hard you know probably probably
01:22:20
wouldn't even be honest probably
01:22:21
wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for how
01:22:24
hard she went you know
01:22:25
with the doctors with me my stubbornness
01:22:29
you know um she was the the perfect help
01:22:33
mate the perfect matriarch the perfect
01:22:35
mom the perfect wife in those scenarios
01:22:38
because granted she's who she is in
01:22:41
dealing with all the pressures of being
01:22:43
Mariah Carey but then uh being
01:22:46
loving enough to take on all of my stuff
01:22:50
uh and you know we it probably took a
01:22:54
toll
01:22:56
on us just because of the person I was
01:22:58
in my head and the struggles that I was
01:23:01
dealing with uh so I probably took a
01:23:03
toll on our relationship but it
01:23:05
definitely brought us closer together
01:23:06
the struggles you were dealing with
01:23:09
man just like was I gonna live
01:23:11
uh what was life all about
01:23:14
had I wasted my time up until this point
01:23:16
and if I get another shot what am I
01:23:19
gonna do
01:23:20
what type of am I going to be able to be
01:23:22
here for my children am I not going to
01:23:24
be able to be here for my children so
01:23:25
therefore what am I leaving them
01:23:27
uh what am I leaving the world when I
01:23:29
when I exit you know staring up at that
01:23:32
hospital bed or from the hospital bed
01:23:34
standing at the ceiling all alone when
01:23:36
everybody else is kicked out and you
01:23:39
gotta
01:23:39
you gotta just
01:23:41
you know be be face to face with your
01:23:45
higher power
01:23:46
asking all those tough questions
01:23:48
am I done you know uh a lot of people we
01:23:52
we don't do that because we get
01:23:57
caught up in the constant race of just
01:23:59
living day to day but it slowed down for
01:24:02
me on many occasions of like
01:24:05
it's just a rap he's almost out of here
01:24:09
um and I wasn't scared that's the crazy
01:24:12
thing when you get to that point where
01:24:13
you're like oh okay
01:24:15
I had a good run
01:24:16
were you happy I was in that moment when
01:24:19
you're looking up at the ceiling I was
01:24:21
content I wasn't scared
01:24:24
and it happened you know more than once
01:24:26
and even you know
01:24:28
it continues to like I'm probably
01:24:31
reminded of
01:24:32
my physical mortality
01:24:35
all the time
01:24:37
uh and when you're when you're not
01:24:39
afraid of dying
01:24:42
you focus on living
01:24:44
you know it's a it's a
01:24:48
anyone who's ever had a near-death
01:24:49
experience or anyone who've been in
01:24:51
those quiet places of
01:24:54
dealing with thoughts of afterlife and
01:24:57
what this current life was for you
01:25:00
uh you live the rest of your days
01:25:03
differently and
01:25:07
at least for you know a certain amount
01:25:08
of time until you're reminded again
01:25:11
um
01:25:11
but yeah man I I
01:25:14
would say I want that life
01:25:17
I've had I've lived several lives and I
01:25:19
won them all you know so it's like
01:25:22
I'm not a I'm not afraid to go like and
01:25:25
even all of the things that I I study uh
01:25:29
and have prepared myself for
01:25:32
it's you know one thing it's inevitable
01:25:34
we all got it's gonna happen to all of
01:25:36
us at some point and I think others just
01:25:38
deal with it better and it makes you
01:25:40
appreciate this life like I'm wanna when
01:25:43
it's all said and done I guarantee you
01:25:46
they're gonna be like yo he wrote that
01:25:47
to the wheels fell off like
01:25:49
like he got he got the most out of life
01:25:53
um and you know I'll be known for
01:25:56
smiling big uh loving hard you know and
01:26:02
you know what more can you ask for you
01:26:04
said you don't think you'd be here if it
01:26:05
wasn't for Mariah going hard do you
01:26:07
really believe she saved your life oh
01:26:09
absolutely
01:26:10
absolutely but I think that's what you
01:26:12
do uh
01:26:14
when you when you find a help mate when
01:26:16
you find
01:26:17
uh someone that you're in matrimony with
01:26:20
you know
01:26:21
you you go hard for him I feel like I
01:26:24
went hard for her and we'll still go
01:26:25
hard I lay down my life for her today
01:26:27
you know it's just that's what you do
01:26:30
it's just it's family it wasn't and I
01:26:32
just want to make it clear it wasn't
01:26:33
just that moment where you had to
01:26:35
contend with health and mortality it's
01:26:36
an ongoing conversation I was in and out
01:26:38
of the hospital I mean I was in the
01:26:40
hospital this past December you know uh
01:26:44
is not as frequent you know but and it's
01:26:47
just because I have the right doctors
01:26:49
and I'm hopefully doing the right things
01:26:51
now that it doesn't find me but you they
01:26:54
lupus you have what they call flare-ups
01:26:56
and it happens when
01:26:58
certain times of the year Seasons stress
01:27:01
uh and
01:27:04
some can be worse than others uh so
01:27:06
early on when I was trying to understand
01:27:08
it between like 2012 and 2016. I was in
01:27:11
the hospital like a couple of times a
01:27:14
year for instance of like three weeks to
01:27:16
a month just trying to figure it out
01:27:18
so those and like I said the flare-ups
01:27:21
would cause things from everywhere from
01:27:23
like blood clots pulmonary embolisms
01:27:26
inflammation and not have the ability to
01:27:29
walk to
01:27:30
kidney failure organs not doing what you
01:27:33
know they're supposed to do so you know
01:27:36
I had blood clots in my lungs and my
01:27:38
heart like things that would have
01:27:40
normally killed other people you know
01:27:43
the doctors would be like man I don't
01:27:45
understand how you didn't get affected
01:27:46
by that you know
01:27:48
having to do you know infusions that are
01:27:51
you know similar to chemotherapy and you
01:27:55
know my hair falling out stuff like that
01:27:57
like uh it's been quite the journey but
01:28:00
you know you gotta you gotta you never
01:28:03
know how strong you are just being
01:28:05
strong is the only option you just got
01:28:07
to push through
01:28:09
crazy how that changes perspective
01:28:11
and you as you say all of that having
01:28:13
not been through that myself yeah I'm so
01:28:16
hungry to understand the perspective
01:28:18
that it's given you because I don't want
01:28:19
to have to go through that to get the
01:28:21
person I don't wish it on anyone yeah
01:28:22
yeah I mean it's funny you say that
01:28:25
sitting there 30 years old yeah and this
01:28:27
is why it's ah but man you know what I
01:28:29
used to do even before
01:28:31
I was diagnosed with lupus it's funny um
01:28:34
and I don't even just put on my heart
01:28:36
but I
01:28:37
I knew it helped my perspective
01:28:40
every month uh
01:28:43
started off every month and it started
01:28:45
to be like once a quarter but I would go
01:28:49
to Saint Mary's Children's Hospital
01:28:52
and read books give toys
01:28:57
uh and really just hang out
01:29:00
um
01:29:01
and I wouldn't do it for publicity or
01:29:05
it was just it was a reset button for me
01:29:09
to put everything in perspective because
01:29:10
you would see these children
01:29:12
who
01:29:14
were
01:29:16
dealing with life altering sometimes
01:29:20
just chronic and detrimental disease
01:29:24
and they would have these Smiles on
01:29:26
their faces and they would just
01:29:30
be so happy
01:29:31
and like hooked up the tubes and I'm
01:29:34
like man if they're having a good day
01:29:37
I have no complaints I can I'm gonna
01:29:41
walk out of here
01:29:43
in good health and this I would I you
01:29:45
know I was still on the board of St
01:29:47
Mary's children's hospital and I did a
01:29:49
lot of work with like the Children's
01:29:50
Miracle Network and stuff I probably
01:29:51
started that in like
01:29:53
I was in my mid-20s
01:29:56
um
01:29:56
and it just
01:29:59
I almost want to say help prepare me for
01:30:01
the mindset of when I have my own
01:30:04
diagnosis I mean ultimately ended up
01:30:06
losing my own child you know even a
01:30:08
decade later after that it was like
01:30:11
you got to enter these spaces with
01:30:14
empathy with compassion
01:30:17
because then that reminds you that we're
01:30:20
all human that and make the most out of
01:30:23
this day because you might not be able
01:30:25
to walk tomorrow you might not you might
01:30:28
take a loss of
01:30:30
someone that you thought was going to be
01:30:32
there forever that you thought was going
01:30:33
to outlive you and
01:30:36
you're talking you're talking about Zen
01:30:37
yeah yeah and it's like and moving so
01:30:41
fast
01:30:42
if you you start to regret like man I
01:30:45
didn't
01:30:46
I didn't do what I should have done in
01:30:48
that moment so
01:30:51
it's a constant reminder you know what I
01:30:53
mean and I think perspective perception
01:30:55
a lot of those things help us daily
01:30:58
you dealt with the loss of your your son
01:31:04
at just five months old due to brain
01:31:07
cancer yeah
01:31:08
something that no parent ever conceives
01:31:11
yeah as a possibility
01:31:14
and so I it's
01:31:17
it's a
01:31:18
it's an awful Club to be a member of uh
01:31:21
but I I can understand
01:31:25
where
01:31:27
it's um
01:31:31
it's hard to relate
01:31:33
it's I've learned a lesson in that to
01:31:36
where when other people are going
01:31:37
through stuff never use the word I
01:31:39
understand
01:31:40
because you don't you know
01:31:43
um
01:31:44
it's
01:31:46
it's just
01:31:48
it's so many things that go through your
01:31:50
mind of
01:31:51
you know even in even in a short period
01:31:54
of time
01:31:55
of five months
01:31:58
the the level of pain the level of guilt
01:32:01
the level you know like that one
01:32:03
struggles with because
01:32:07
you know you think like oh well
01:32:09
that child would have got to Crow this
01:32:12
see five years or 25 years or you know
01:32:16
you start asking all of these questions
01:32:19
that of Concepts you just you struggle
01:32:22
to understand so when you go through it
01:32:26
you kind of have to just
01:32:28
create this
01:32:30
fog that protects you but at the end of
01:32:35
time like again you just got to keep
01:32:36
pushing through and then you know
01:32:38
they do say Time Heals all wounds I
01:32:40
think you know you feel
01:32:43
it's just something that you you'll
01:32:45
never completely heal from but you live
01:32:48
in in your you learn to operate and you
01:32:50
you learn to smile you learn to be
01:32:54
appreciative if you're a jovial and
01:32:56
optimistic person like I am you know you
01:32:59
push through but you know that pain
01:33:00
never leaves you did you have space and
01:33:02
time to grieve his his loss
01:33:04
grieving is forever
01:33:07
it's not a time period like that's what
01:33:09
I was talking about like it's not about
01:33:11
times like that's something you're going
01:33:13
to grieve daily
01:33:15
and grieve it daily oh absolutely and I
01:33:17
think we all and then any loss you know
01:33:20
what I mean and it's learning how to
01:33:23
turn your grief into
01:33:25
purpose learning how to turn your grief
01:33:28
into
01:33:31
a badge of honor in your character
01:33:35
um because we all experience it we all
01:33:37
it's
01:33:38
instead of because sometimes grief can
01:33:41
turn into anger and sadness I don't
01:33:43
think that's what it's meant for uh I
01:33:45
think that may be the innate feeling but
01:33:49
when you can turn
01:33:50
oh man I lost my grandmother I lost my
01:33:52
mother so therefore it makes me more
01:33:54
compassionate to women
01:33:56
uh I lost my child so that makes me
01:33:58
appreciate other children
01:34:00
um I lost my father I never knew my
01:34:02
father so that makes me want to be a
01:34:04
greater father you know like when you
01:34:07
learn that that pain or that grief can
01:34:10
actually turn and make you
01:34:13
uh fulfill you in in with strength in
01:34:17
those spaces that once were empty
01:34:19
I think that then allows you to figure
01:34:22
out why
01:34:24
we're here in the first place if I was
01:34:26
to fly on the wall in your household
01:34:28
during that period what would I have
01:34:29
seen
01:34:31
a lot of Silence from me at least
01:34:35
uh when I'm dealing with stuff I get
01:34:37
real quiet
01:34:39
I don't talk
01:34:40
I keep to myself
01:34:42
therefore that makes the whole room
01:34:44
uncomfortable because everybody else has
01:34:45
to be quiet especially someone like me
01:34:47
who is loud you know especially in my
01:34:52
own home
01:34:53
when it becomes Eerie silence
01:34:57
so and you know it's internalizing it's
01:35:00
thinking it's taking the time it's being
01:35:03
appreciative of
01:35:05
of the time of the of the energy
01:35:09
but uh you see a lot of love a lot of
01:35:12
compassion but a lot of Silence
01:35:16
we have a closing tradition on this
01:35:17
podcast where the last guest leaves a
01:35:19
question for the next guest not knowing
01:35:20
who they're going to leave the question
01:35:21
for and they write it into the diary I
01:35:24
don't get to read it beforehand Jack
01:35:25
does he just checks it's not completely
01:35:26
crazy so okay here we go
01:35:30
okay I'm gonna have a guess
01:35:32
okay so I've got this thing then what's
01:35:36
the next word
01:35:38
okay this thing you're upset about
01:35:41
you're hanging on to
01:35:44
that you've been
01:35:46
ruminating about
01:35:48
resenting
01:35:51
what would happen if you just let it go
01:35:57
if you just never thought about it again
01:36:00
and let it go did you did you interview
01:36:03
my therapist
01:36:06
as much as I may like internalize things
01:36:08
and like
01:36:09
over analyze because I I would say I'm a
01:36:13
perfectionist on one and I'm also
01:36:18
fly by the seat of my pants Carefree
01:36:21
whatever happens happens type of person
01:36:24
so in therapy
01:36:27
I have to figure out which box I'm gonna
01:36:28
put my issues in
01:36:30
because there are the ones like over
01:36:33
analyze about and you know those usually
01:36:36
have to deal with like my children and
01:36:37
you know
01:36:39
relationships based off of like wanting
01:36:42
to be the best me in that space uh
01:36:47
and then there's the stuff that was like
01:36:48
I can't control that like whatever like
01:36:51
and those are the things that keep
01:36:52
people up at night and you just lost how
01:36:55
many millions of dollars or like I don't
01:36:57
care like like uh so to answer that very
01:37:02
uh
01:37:04
insightful question
01:37:06
um
01:37:07
nothing would happen like like I I it
01:37:11
would be very similar to
01:37:14
and that's what I've learned like the
01:37:16
the things that I over analyze
01:37:20
stress about
01:37:22
uh
01:37:24
usually the same result happens when I'm
01:37:27
carefree and
01:37:30
don't really put too much emphasis on
01:37:32
the issue but is there anything that you
01:37:34
could let go of that you think would
01:37:35
have a positive impact on your life
01:37:39
just let it go hmm
01:37:41
not really I mean because I'm kind of
01:37:44
that type of person like I don't let
01:37:46
things there's not an idea or a
01:37:49
resentment or a grudge or a maybe maybe
01:37:52
before you know I think I've I'm kind of
01:37:55
doing the work so I kind of know that
01:37:58
about myself but I'm also I've never
01:38:02
been one to take life seriously like
01:38:04
that and it's almost to my detriment you
01:38:07
know sometimes or like I need to take
01:38:09
something seriously like my health or
01:38:11
you know even some certain relationships
01:38:14
but
01:38:15
um I used to care what people think
01:38:16
thought about me you know because we're
01:38:19
in an industry of that we'd be lying if
01:38:21
like I still pay attention to what
01:38:23
people say about me but I don't I don't
01:38:25
allow it to
01:38:28
you know make decisions for me so I
01:38:31
don't deal with that anymore
01:38:33
um
01:38:35
and that's why I said now I'm probably
01:38:37
at this space to where even if it's the
01:38:39
small things
01:38:41
you know I kind of
01:38:44
know how to compartmentalize even for
01:38:46
the moment like I spent enough time on
01:38:47
that you know we got to move off it as a
01:38:51
father I mean I'm pretty sure I'm gonna
01:38:53
learn so many more lessons uh
01:38:57
with all of my children having to
01:39:00
they're all gonna deal with things in a
01:39:03
completely different fashion so
01:39:05
hopefully whatever their Hang-Ups are
01:39:08
don't necessarily become my Hang-Ups
01:39:10
because I know as a parent we do that
01:39:13
you know that's that's the compassion of
01:39:16
parenting uh
01:39:18
you got any kids no yeah yeah that's the
01:39:21
thing they don't tell you that their
01:39:24
problems become your problems how'd you
01:39:26
mean immediate whatever they have an
01:39:28
issue is now your issue from the spot if
01:39:30
they got diarrhea you got diarrhea like
01:39:34
like if they're crying you're crying if
01:39:37
they can't sleep you can't sleep and it
01:39:40
happens forever if they have a problem
01:39:43
getting in if they're stressing about
01:39:44
school you're stressing about their
01:39:46
school I'm right there and I'm about to
01:39:48
have kids yeah I imagine I've got a
01:39:50
partner we're settle down we've got a
01:39:52
place together we're talking about it
01:39:53
what advice have you got for me do it
01:39:56
yeah
01:39:58
I mean but that it's because it's what
01:40:01
life is all about like it's like
01:40:04
um you're gonna do it the way you want
01:40:05
to do it like I said the one other thing
01:40:07
I never and me having so many kids I'm
01:40:09
like man so many 12 12 kids yeah yeah so
01:40:14
I'm the artist is 12. yeah the oldest 12
01:40:17
year old twins
01:40:20
yeah and every all of their problems
01:40:23
they come they're my problem that's a
01:40:25
lot of problems yeah like it's not and
01:40:27
they're not they don't care about their
01:40:29
siblings problems you got to deal with
01:40:31
this one right now dad my chameleon has
01:40:34
an eye infection we have to rush to the
01:40:38
vet now like what it's a lizard all
01:40:44
right like other things and it's life or
01:40:47
death the chameleon can't die like or to
01:40:51
you know
01:40:52
you know that's is that one's fun and
01:40:54
silly but you know taking us back to Zen
01:40:56
and what we were talking about like
01:40:58
those were my issues those are my
01:41:00
problems those brought out things that I
01:41:02
never thought I would ever have to deal
01:41:04
with because as I watch my
01:41:06
five-month-old sit here and deal with
01:41:09
life
01:41:10
so it's like their problems become your
01:41:13
and what you think about
01:41:16
um
01:41:16
for me and I was thinking about this
01:41:18
this morning you're just grateful for
01:41:20
always like wow
01:41:23
it's quiet everybody's good let's
01:41:26
Embrace this moment uh and then you know
01:41:30
when problems are issues challenges
01:41:32
obstacles arise we all deal with it as a
01:41:35
family
01:41:36
and that you know so that's you you you
01:41:38
appreciate life for you become a problem
01:41:41
solver you become an individual who
01:41:45
every day wakes up and overcomes
01:41:47
whatever challenges in front of them
01:41:50
sounds like a lot of a big weight to
01:41:52
carry it's but it's life it's fun it's
01:41:56
have fun with it
01:41:57
whatever that challenge is whatever
01:42:00
issue that that child brings
01:42:03
have fun with it
01:42:04
find the story in it find the lesson
01:42:07
what's this what's the happily ever
01:42:09
after to this because it's the happily
01:42:11
ever after every day you just gotta
01:42:14
focus on it don't don't you know eat
01:42:17
even the villains have happy ever
01:42:18
afterwards like it's like you just got
01:42:20
to figure out at the end of the day how
01:42:22
am I going to say I learned this or I
01:42:25
got this out of this even though I went
01:42:28
through the fire to get there I'm go or
01:42:31
I'm still going through it it's you
01:42:33
gotta find the enjoyment and the journey
01:42:36
do you care about Legacy
01:42:38
I thought I did
01:42:40
I had to Define what it was I'm still
01:42:42
defining what it is
01:42:44
I I've realized that my children aren't
01:42:46
my legacy
01:42:47
um
01:42:48
my children are my children my children
01:42:50
aren't necessarily mine they're their
01:42:52
own
01:42:53
uh I've been giving the stewardship and
01:42:57
uh the privilege for
01:43:00
a certain amount of time
01:43:02
to be able to guide them to the best of
01:43:06
my ability for 18 to 25 years but
01:43:10
they're their own people uh so I've
01:43:13
learned that that's not my legacy
01:43:15
um
01:43:16
what we can build together as a family
01:43:18
can become a legacy so what's your
01:43:20
legacy
01:43:22
my compassion
01:43:24
my uh
01:43:25
my gratitude which then probably then
01:43:27
turns into
01:43:29
my humility that's then turns into my
01:43:31
humor which then turns into my comedy
01:43:33
which attaches to my art form I mean
01:43:36
that's built into the compassion and
01:43:37
stuff as well too so
01:43:40
to be able people say man
01:43:43
he made the world a better place by
01:43:45
making people smile
01:43:48
and if I could do that through
01:43:51
my humor my music my art my movies my
01:43:55
finances I want to make people smile so
01:43:58
hopefully even when I'm gone
01:44:00
the things that I left behind make
01:44:02
people smile
01:44:04
I certainly believe that's the case
01:44:06
um you've made me smile over the years I
01:44:08
started watching uh wilding out on MTV
01:44:10
and then on YouTube throughout my entire
01:44:12
life I mean MTV was the only felt like
01:44:14
the only show on in my household growing
01:44:16
up in Plymouth and seeing it was kind of
01:44:18
my window into hip-hop culture and
01:44:19
commenting all those things and in every
01:44:21
respect of the word not only have you
01:44:23
put countless people on that you'll
01:44:24
never get credit for nor do you really
01:44:26
care about the credit clear but um
01:44:28
you've been a Pioneer
01:44:30
um in so many different art forms and
01:44:33
created this wonderful platform to put
01:44:35
other people on and that's something
01:44:36
that I look at and I really aspire to do
01:44:38
with my life as well like if I if I'm
01:44:40
able to help people reach their full
01:44:42
potential in the way you have for so
01:44:43
many people that people have no idea
01:44:45
about across comedy and entertainment
01:44:47
and music then I think that's a life
01:44:49
worth living and a life
01:44:52
worthwhile yeah that's exactly what you
01:44:55
have yeah so thank you thank you for
01:44:57
doing that that's another title um life
01:44:59
worthwhile sounds like a book let's get
01:45:02
that trading
01:45:03
let's keep that open thank you
01:45:05
appreciate it man this has been
01:45:06
beautiful thank you for the experience
01:45:07
pleasure to meet you thank you Nick
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