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The Mother I Wish I Knew | Full Episode

January 30, 2026 / 41:51

This episode covers the murder case of Deborah Atrops, focusing on the investigation and trial of her estranged husband, Robert Atrops. Key discussions include the timeline of events surrounding Debe's disappearance, the evidence against Bob, and the implications of John Pearson's involvement.

Deborah Atrops was last seen on November 29, 1988, in Beaverton, Oregon. Her body was discovered in her car on December 1. The investigation initially focused on her husband, Bob Atrops, who reported her missing but later became a suspect due to inconsistencies in his story.

As the case unfolded, evidence emerged linking Bob to the crime, including DNA found on Debe's coat and mud samples from his property. Prosecutors argued that Bob had motive due to Debe's new relationship with John Pearson, while Bob maintained his innocence throughout.

The case remained cold for decades until new forensic techniques were applied, leading to Bob's indictment in 2023. The trial revealed conflicting testimonies and the tragic suicide of John Pearson just days before he was set to testify.

On April 17, 2025, Robert Atrops was found guilty of murdering Deborah Atrops, resulting in a life sentence. The episode highlights the emotional toll on Debe's daughter, Rhianna, as she grapples with the loss of both her mother and the conviction of her father.

TLDR

Deborah Atrops' murder case leads to her husband Robert's conviction after 37 years, revealing complex relationships and tragic outcomes.

Episode

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♪♪ -Deborah Atrops was 30 years old. She was a young mother. -I didn't get to have my mom growing up.
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-Smile pumpkin. -It was this mystery that has never been solved. -Rhi. Rhianna. -My name is Rhianna
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and I am referred to in the story as the baby. -Rhi Rhi. -The eight-month-old baby who lost her mom.
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-Yeah. -Hi, peanut. Hi. -So you believe on November 29, 1988, this was the last known location where she probably came.
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-Mhm. We believe that she drove alone on this very rural road, and that was the last drive that she took alive.
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The car is found on December 1st. -I knew she was strangled, and she was found in her trunk.
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There was just so much unknown. Who did this? Why did this happen? -We focused pretty early on on Robert.
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-Bob Atrops was married to Debe Atrops, they'd been married for a year or so, and they were struggling,
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having issues in their relationship, which caused them to separate. -We continued to conduct additional interviews,
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follow up on various leads... and then it went dead. It was a tragedy. There were times when I wondered if we would ever make an arrest.
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♪♪ -Finally getting answers nearly 35 years later, as prosecutors say, now-68-year-old Robert Elmer Atrops
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is the person responsible for the November 1988 murder of his estranged wife, Deborah Lee Atrops.
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-I was just in shock. I couldn't believe it. They 1,000% got it wrong. -The motive evidence is very, very strong.
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Debe Atrops had a new romantic relationship with a man named John Pearson. They worked together.
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She was excited about it, but she was very concerned about Robert Atrops finding out
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about her relationship with John Pearson. -The husband is often the obvious suspect.
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However, Debe Atrops had a complicated life and kept a lot of secrets. -We view this as a case of actual innocence.
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-There is more evidence that suggests John Pearson was involved in Deborah Atrops' murder
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than there is Bob Atrops. -They thoroughly interviewed John Pearson. Things were good between him and Debe Atrops.
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He had no motive to commit this crime. -John Pearson did have motive to kill Debe Atrops.
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He said that in hindsight, he thinks that Debe Atrops was only with him because she was looking for somebody
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to pay the bills for her. That's plenty of motive. -Hello, Rhianna Lynn. -My dad did not do this.
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I know my dad. I know his heart. And I know that he'd never be able to live with himself doing that.
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♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ -It was Thursday, December 1, 1988, when Deborah Atrops, known as Debe,
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was found murdered in her car next to a construction site here in Beaverton, Oregon.
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Debe had been reported missing two days earlier by her estranged husband, Bob Atrops,
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who lived about five miles away on this rural road. So where are we in relation to the Atrops case?
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-Right here is Southwest Conzelmann Road in Sherwood, and this is where Bob Atrops was living
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at the time of Debe's murder. -On the night she went missing, Bob says Debe, who was then 30 years old,
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never arrived to pick up their baby, Rhianna, as expected. -I think that it's important for everyone to know
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that just because a case goes unsolved doesn't mean that it's forgotten. -Allison Brown is a senior deputy district attorney
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in Washington County, Oregon. -Here's our exhibit list. -Who, along with attorney Chris Lewman,
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joined a team of investigators working on Debi's unsolved murder. Brown says they hope talking to
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the original detectives, witnesses... -We've got videos. This is from the scene.
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-...and looking at the evidence again... -Phone calls from 1988. -...might give the old investigation new momentum.
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-There were opportunities for forensic analysis that were not available in 1988.
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-Debe Atrops was last seen alive on Tuesday, November 29, 1988. Bob Atrops called the Tigard, Oregon police
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that night at 9:40 p.m. Bob told the dispatcher Debe hadn't shown up after an appointment in Tigard,
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about eight miles from his house at a hair salon called "Razz Ma Tazz." Bob says he drove the route and saw no sign of Debe.
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He called Tigard police back at 10:25 p.m. Bob did call back a third time at 11:29 p.m.
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But the one call Bob did not make that night was to Debe. The dispatcher suggested Bob call
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the Washington County sheriff. Which he did at 11:34 p.m., and they opened a missing persons case the next morning.
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But Debe Atrops would not be a missing person for long. -Even though I've been retired for years,
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it's still kind of hung over me. -Washington County Sheriff's Detective Michael O'Connell
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remembers responding to the scene when Debe's car was found. The license plates had been taken off,
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the window was open, and the keys were inside. O'Connell's partner called Bob Atrops.
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-A few minutes later, police found Debe's body face down in the trunk. -She was nicely dressed, still had her coat on.
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Looked like she'd been placed somewhat carefully in the trunk. -Police say Debe had been strangled
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and there were no signs of sexual assault. There was mud on her coat and shoes, the front passenger tire,
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and the steering wheel of the car. Law enforcement scoured her vehicle for evidence.
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-It looked like someone may have tried to wipe down the hood. There were, like, broad clothing swipes.
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Like someone maybe was trying to destroy fingerprints. -O'Connell and his partner went to Bob's house
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to tell him they had found his wife's body. A witness who saw Bob later that day told the cold case team,
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"He was very calm, much more calm than I would expect." -It wasn't consistent with a grieving, estranged husband.
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-Debe's stepfather, Ed Holland, says her mother, Gloria, who was close to Debe, was overwhelmed with grief.
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-She broke down and I held her, and that's all I could do. She just laid there sobbing.
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-Police searched outside Bob's home for any further clues. -The driveway was a mix of mud, dirt and gravel,
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and it looked like her car may have driven through some of the mud. -Bob had said Debe was last there
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about a week before her murder. Police took photos of the tire tracks outside his house
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and collected soil from his driveway and lawn. -Just to make sure we weren't missing anything.
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-Police never found any tire tracks that matched Debe's car on Bob's property. Yet Bob Atrops was an obvious suspect,
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but he wasn't the only man in Debe's life. Since she had moved out five months before,
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Debe had been dating -- and those relationships were complicated. -Debe had very good taste and was a good judge of people.
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But a terrible judge of men. Every man that she seemed to hook up with was a problem.
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♪♪ ♪♪ -So you were always sort of by his side, right? -Always. It was great growing up with my dad.
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He was an amazing dad. -From your little girl. Did you get this? -Do you have memories of him being hands on?
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-Yeah. My dad was very hands on. I knew that I was his number one. -Thank you for being the nicest daddy
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there could ever be. -I remember being at my grandpa's house with my cousin, going through old photo albums
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and finding a picture of this woman, and I was like, "Who's that?" And she just kind of was like, "That's your mom."
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From that point on, I always remember knowing the story. -Debe Atrops daughter Rhianna Stevens says
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she learned about her mother's murder when she was 6 or 7 years old. She says growing up,
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her dad only shared fond memories of her mom. -I didn't know that they had separated.
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Anything that I had ever heard about her was always good from him. -But things were not always good
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in Bob and Debe's marriage. Debe stepfather, Ed Holland, remembers meeting Bob, a construction product salesman,
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and talking to Debe's mother about how quickly Bob and Debe walked down the aisle.
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-They were still in a courtship when they got married. I said to Gloria, I said, "This is way too fast."
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She says, "Well, if they're in love, why not?" -Debe's friend Darlene Lufkin says, like Ed,
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she was not confident the relationship had a strong foundation. How long did they know each other?
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-Just a few months it seems like. It seems like it takes time to get to know someone.
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And I don't think she really knew Bob yet. -Bob and Debe got married in June 1987
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and adopted Rhianna the following March. -Hello, Rhianna Lynn. -Because of conflicts in their marriage,
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just a few months after bringing Rhianna home, Debe moved into her own apartment in Salem,
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30 miles away from Bob. Investigators say Debe had soon reconnected with an old boyfriend, Jeff Freeberg.
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-You said he was the one for her, perhaps. -That's the one she kept wanting to go back to.
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She really, really liked him, and I don't think he was just ready for that kind of relationship yet.
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-By September 1988, Debe had a new boyfriend, a man she met at work named John Pearson.
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John was separated from his wife and had two young boys. -But I remember she was on the phone at my house once with him.
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She handed me the phone and he said how much she was looking forward to meeting me and the girls.
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When Debe was seeing people, for some reason, she wanted them to meet me and my girls.
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-Darlene says she and Debe had grown close in their 20s when Darlene was a single mom.
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-She's really the only friend I had that enjoyed spending time with my daughters,
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and I treasured that. -In that autumn of 1988, although Debe was dating John, she stayed in touch with Jeff Freeberg
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and he loaned Debe $8,000. -He had lent her money to buy a car. Could there have been motive in that?
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-He was wealthy. So I think he was happy to help Debe. -Back in 1988, detectives had asked Freeburg for his alibi
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on the night Debe was last seen alive. And he said he was home except for going out briefly to get some dinner.
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-He seemed very straightforward. Didn't hesitate to answer our questions. Didn't seem to be hiding anything.
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-Police had also questioned John Pearson, who said he was with his children and his estranged wife that night.
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Pearson knew about Debe's hair appointment and gave detectives a detailed description
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of many items inside her car. -John Pearson told police back then that there was a Burger King bag,
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as well as a box with cranberries and a child car seat. Seems like a lot of details about the car.
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-Pearson also said there wasn't enough room in the trunk for a body, and that stuff would have to be taken out.
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But detective O'Connell says Pearson had seemed truthful back in 1988. -He was mostly accessible,
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didn't appear to be trying to throw us off or anything. -And prosecutors Chris Lewman and Allison Brown
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say there is an innocent reason John Pearson knew so much about Debe's car. -They were seeing each other every day.
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I mean, something to look into for sure, which is why they did multiple interviews of John Pearson
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and a polygraph in 1988. -And did he pass the polygraph? -He did. And he was willing to do it and basically do everything
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that they asked him to do. -Bob Atrops hired a lawyer a week after Debe's body was found
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and declined to take a polygraph. Detective O'Connell says Bob did not seem very worried
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about finding out who killed his wife. -He was kind of removed, just kind of distant.
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-O'Connell and his partner looked into the calls Bob said he made the night Debe went missing.
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-Bob told detectives he called the babysitter, Debe's boss, and her parents while he was home waiting for her.
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They all confirmed he did call them that night, but there was a hitch. Those three calls were long distance
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and should have shown up on his phone bill. -That was a problem. Those phone calls were not there.
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-By now, detectives suspected Bob had killed Debe. They thought there was no record of those three phone calls,
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because Bob was out of the house that evening, disposing of Debe's car and her body.
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Police began looking for evidence Bob made those calls from somewhere else. -It involved checking payphones.
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We looked at every angle. We struck out. -They did not find proof that Bob was lying
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or evidence connecting him to Debe's murder. -I didn't like the thought of it just remaining unsolved.
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-O'Connell and his partner had a final meeting with Bob in 1990, asking him to account for those missing calls
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or to admit he had killed his wife. But Bob maintained his innocence. -And then it kind of went -- went dead.
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-When the cold case team next interviewed Bob in 2022, they asked again about those phone calls
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and heard a very different story. ♪♪ ♪♪ -Rhi. Rhi. -We spent a lot of time together.
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We took the girls to the beach. -Kick, kick, kick! Kick, kick, kick! -Went to music in the park with picnic dinners.
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-It's been more than 30 years since Darlene Lufkin last saw her friend Debe Atrops.
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But she says she still feels the loss. -Sounds like you have really fond memories of Debe.
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-Oh, yeah. I miss her every day still. -Darlene, like many in Debe's life, longed for answers.
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And in 2022, she got one step closer. When the cold case team sent Debe's coat and those soil samples for testing.
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-The soil was sent to the FBI lab. The DNA was sent. -While they waited, the cold case team
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continued to examine Bob's behavior back in 1988, which prosecutors say was suspicious from that first call.
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-He calls law enforcement within, you know, probably 20 minutes of calling the friends and family.
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And to us, that seemed a little quick. So we believe he was attempting to get his story out there,
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um -- and to portray himself as a concerned husband and try to develop that narrative
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that he wanted to early on. -Detective O'Connell says he had the same feeling. Remember, Bob had called police four times that night.
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-What's the Shakespeare quote? He protest too much? It was interesting to us that he was calling so frequently and so soon.
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It didn't seem normal. -The cold case team also turned their attention to the road where Debe's car was found --
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next to that construction site. Bob's former boss at Allied Building Products told them he believed Bob had a connection there.
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-He was selling roofing products. We knew, I knew that he was selling products in that area.
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In 2022 the results from those DNA tests came back. The lab said they found a mixture of DNA
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on the collar and shoulder of Debe's coat. -They swabbed that area of her coat because if you're strangled,
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that would be the area you'd have contact with. -The lab compared that sample from Debe's coat
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to her boyfriend at the time, John Pearson. -It's not present. -And neither was her ex-boyfriend, Jeff Freeburg.
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-Jeff Freeburg, not present. -But the lab said Bob Atrops could not be excluded as a contributor to that DNA mixture.
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-We can't say it's a match. It's just -- it's moderate support that it's more likely
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Mr. Atrops than an unknown individual. -Prosecutors admit, while the DNA from Debe's coat
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excludes Freeburg and Pearson, it does not make a complete case against Bob Atrops.
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-I think it's another piece. There are many, many different pieces. It was a very fact intensive case.
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-Another one of those pieces, they say, is the mud. -This murder was connected to mud.
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Her body was covered in mud. There was mud on the outside of the car, on the inside of the car.
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-The FBI lab which examined this evidence, concluded that the mud on Debe's car tire
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did not match the mud where her car was found. However, that mud on the tire, they said,
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was "indistinguishable" from the mud from Bob's Lawn in color, composition, and texture.
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This is evidence, Prosecutors say, that Bob was lying when he said Debe did not come to his house the night she went missing.
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-According to the defendant's interview, she had not been to his house for about ten days.
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-Bob Atrops hadn't spoken to police about the case since that final conversation with detectives in 1990,
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but in 2022, he agreed to talk to the cold case team. Investigators asked Bob about those calls
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to friends and family that didn't appear on his phone bill back in 1988. -Bob now said he had used an MCI calling card
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to make those missing long distance calls from home. Prosecutors say Bob didn't have that
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MCI calling card in 1988. And what's more, prosecutor Chris Lewman says this story doesn't make sense.
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-In 1988, to make a calling card, you had to input about a 16-digit calling card number
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and then another 6 or 8-digit code. And if you're frantically looking for your wife,
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why take the time to do that and enter all those numbers? -In 2023, prosecutors brought the case
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to a grand jury who voted to indict. -I got a phone call on March 2nd of 2023 at 5:00 in the morning that my dad had just been arrested.
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I was just in shock. -Rhianna says Bob is a loving dad and doting grandfather to her three children.
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-What was it like seeing your dad front page story? -It was awful to see... the news making him out to be
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this terrible person that he just isn't. He didn't do this. -Cold case detectives spoke to Bob Atrops again
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after his arrest. -[ Clears throat ] -Bob Atrops pleaded not guilty to Debe's murder.
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Attorney April Yates argues it's more likely Debe's killer was her boyfriend at the time, John Pearson, than Bob.
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-John Pearson not only had motive, he had opportunity. He knew where Debe Atrops was going to be.
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He knew about her hair appointment. And also he knew an incredible amount of detail about her car.
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-But prosecutors say Pearson had nothing to do with Debe's murder. Back in 1988 he told police that about a week before the murder,
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Bob confronted Debe because he was suspicious she was in a new relationship. Pearson said Debe was afraid if Bob found out it was true,
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he would kill her. The prosecution planned to call Pearson as a witness in Bob Atrops' upcoming trial.
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-We wanted to have him testify because we found him credible. -But that would never happen.
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Pearson, who had been ill and had an outstanding warrant for a DUI in Oregon, stopped responding to detectives.
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When authorities located him in Arizona, five days before opening arguments were to begin,
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John Pearson killed himself. -John Pearson fled the state. He was on the run. -Attorney Janice Puracal was part of the defense team.
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-Police find him in a trailer in the desert in Arizona. When police surround that trailer,
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he ends his life rather than coming back to Oregon to answer questions about Debe Atrops' murder.
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Those are the facts. Prosecution can spin it all they want, but those are the facts.
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♪♪ ♪♪ -I'm trying to be strong for my dad. -In spring 2025, Robert Atrops' murder trial
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began here at the Washington County Courthouse. Prosecutors worried the jury might get stuck on details
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they could not explain. -In a case where we need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, we're not going to be able
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to answer every single detail of what happened that night. -At the trial, which allowed audio
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but not video recording of witnesses, attorney Allison Brown argues that Bob Atrops intentionally misled the police --
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starting with those four calls he made to them the night Debe was last seen alive.
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-He didn't tell the law enforcement officials that they were separated, that they lived separately.
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So he didn't actually give them the information that they would need to find her.
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-Bob didn't tell police Debe lived in Salem until the next day. Even more incriminating, prosecutors say,
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is the fact that Bob Atrops did not call Debe the night she went missing, or ever.
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-He never called her apartment. -That would have been the first phone call, right?
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Someone hasn't showed up. You're expecting them. You call them. Not only was that not the first phone call,
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but he never made that phone call at all. When asked about his route... -At trial, prosecutors played Bob's interview
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with investigators in 2022, where he explained why he didn't ever make that call.
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Prosecutors also want the jury to hear more about the troubles in Bob and Debe's marriage.
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Debe's friend, Christy Knapp, testified to an encounter with Bob at his house soon after Debe moved out.
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Another friend, Tami Nelson, told police in 1988 Debe had confided in her that Bob Atrops had choked her in a violent confrontation
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Shortly before she moved out, Tami told the jury Debe was still worried about Bob
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after their separation. -Tami had also told police in 1988 that a few months before her murder,
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Debe was worried about Bob finding out about her relationship with John Pearson.
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Tami later told the cold case team, Debe had said, "If anything happens to me, Bob did it."
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-Debe is predicting her own murder. She is telling friends and family if he finds out about this, he will kill me.
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And she was right. -But in their cross-examinations, the defense suggests these stories
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Debe told are not reliable. And they say had a history of making up false tales.
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-She had told different stories to different people and these things were verifiably not true.
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-Some of Debe's friends say she did tell questionable stories often about her health.
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Darlene says she thought Debe might have done it for attention. -One time, she, uh -- said that she went to work out,
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her stomach flipped or something, and she had to go get emergency help with it. It didn't seem real to me.
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-And there's a very simple... -Attorney April Yates says there is a simple explanation
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for why Bob Atrops didn't call Debe that night. He had spoken to her stepfather, Ed Holland.
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-Ed told Bob that he had been by Debe's apartment and she wasn't home. There was no reason for Bob to call.
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And the next morning, Debe's parents went to her apartment again, as did law enforcement.
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So there was no reason for Bob to call or go there. The fact that the state is trying
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to make something out of that. It's a red herring. -During trial, the babysitter
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and Debe's stepfather testified that Bob had called them the night Debe went missing,
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which supports Bob's story. Attorney Stephanie Pollan says the best explanation for why those so-called missing calls weren't on his phone bill
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is that the billing equipment was faulty. -We found the engineer and he testified
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that this equipment failed all the time. -But the cold case team believes Bob made those calls
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while he was out of the house, getting rid of evidence to help him create a false alibi.
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And they say it was impossible to check every payphone in the area back in 1988.
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-What was significant is he's not where he said he was. He's not at home. Why would he lie about where he was at night?
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-While the state emphasized the link between the mud on Debe's tire and the soil from Bob Atrops' front yard,
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the defense says that this soil is everywhere in the region and is as common as dirt.
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-This soil is everywhere. My yard, her yard, the DA's yard. It doesn't make us suspects in a murder.
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-Back in 1988, police didn't collect mud from Jeff Freeburg's property or John Pearson's.
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They only took samples from where Debe's car was found and from Bob Atrops' driveway and lawn.
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Then there is the matter of the DNA from Debe's coat. -The DNA in this case doesn't tell the jury anything about who killed Debe Atrops.
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-Attorney Yates points out that the amount of DNA on Debe's coat that the lab had said could be consistent with Bob Atrops
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was minuscule, the equivalent of about six skin cells. -In this very low level of DNA
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is consistent with something called transfer DNA. People who have babies and shared custody
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transfer DNA all the time. -So in your opinion, this DNA was not strong evidence.
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-This DNA was not only not strong evidence, it doesn't mean anything. -The defense argues there is a much more important DNA result
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from Debe's autopsy. -One of the very first items that the lab tested for DNA were vaginal swabs taken from the autopsy.
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-Attorney Janice Puracal specializes in evidence that can lead to wrongful convictions.
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She says the DNA from Debe's autopsy does not point to Bob Atrops. -The semen came from John Pearson,
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and the likelihood ratio is 94.6 sextillion. It's an enormous number. -And she points out Pearson's DNA at autopsy
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contradicts his statement to police from 2022. -John Pearson told law enforcement
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that he did not have sexual contact with Debe Atrops in the 72 hours before she was murdered,
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and definitely not on the day that she was murdered. But they found that semen two days later at the autopsy.
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Everything is telling us that that was most likely deposited on the day that she was murdered.
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-And the defense reminds the jury, John Pearson was avoiding the cold case team in the months leading up to his suicide.
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In its closing statement, the defense says the state just doesn't have enough to make its case against Bob Atrops.
00:34:43
But prosecutors argue all of the pieces point in one direction to Bob Atrops. -Like you hear -- motive, means, and opportunity,
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he had it all. -Now, after two weeks of testimony, it is time for the jury to decide.
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-We didn't know if that would be enough or not. It's incredibly nerve-wracking. ♪♪
00:35:11
♪♪ -What did you think before the jury left to go deliberate? Did you feel confident?
00:35:23
-I didn't feel confident. I -- just because of the fear of the unknown. I don't feel like any evidence was actually given
00:35:31
that proves my dad did this because he didn't. There is no evidence that he did this.
00:35:38
-On April 17, 2025, the jury reached a decision. -It was six hours that they were deliberating.
00:35:47
We thought that that was a quick verdict and that could be a good thing. -Guilty.
00:36:03
37 years after her death, Robert Atrops was found guilty of murdering Debe Atrops.
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-It was like the room went dead silent and everything was still in that moment. -We all crumbled.
00:36:21
We are grieving someone that is still alive. -Were you able to say anything to your father in that moment?
00:36:30
Right after? -No, I -- -Hug him, nothing? -I haven't been able to hug my dad in over two years.
00:36:39
-We had so many family and friends of Bob behind us. It was really hard for them especially
00:36:47
to see this happen to their loved one. -I can see it's hard for you, too. -It is hard -- it's hard to have an innocent client
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get convicted. -Prosecutors say they're glad that justice was served. -This case took 37 years to finally be resolved.
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Are you satisfied that we know the truth about what happened to Debe Atrops? -Yeah, absolutely.
00:37:10
There's no other people, no other suspects, no one else with the motive. We feel absolutely, 100% sure
00:37:16
that he's the one who committed this crime. -Prosecutors are confident the investigation proved
00:37:20
the other men in Debe's life, including Jeff Freeburg, were not involved in her murder.
00:37:27
Freeburg declined our request to comment on the case. -There just really wasn't any information
00:37:32
that pointed in the direction of Jeff Freeburg. He gave his DNA freely. There really just wasn't any motive,
00:37:38
evidence, or anything else that caused him to be a significant suspect. -And they say John Pearson's suicide was
00:37:45
an unrelated tragedy. -He had an open criminal case. I believe he thought they were there to arrest him
00:37:52
for this misdemeanor warrant and -- and took his life. -There was quite a bit of investigation
00:37:57
that was done by our detective after he committed suicide, to show it had nothing to do with a guilt for Debe's murder.
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-When "48 Hours" reached out in 2025, Pearson's lawyer declined to comment on the case.
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Prosecutors say Pearson's family told them he had wanted to testify at Bob's trial.
00:38:17
-I thought that it would be important for him to relay all of the things he knew,
00:38:21
including those statements that Debe made back in 1988, that, "Bob's going to kill me if he finds out about us."
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-As for the defense's argument that Debe had a history of making up stories, prosecutors say this is unfortunately consistent
00:38:36
with life inside an abusive relationship. -When someone's going through a domestic violence situation,
00:38:42
they are, in a way, living a lie. -Bob's side of the courtroom was full. Did that strike you as -- as interesting?
00:38:50
-It depends on the case. -Yeah. I mean, I think he had a large support system, and it's not uncommon for people in a domestic abuse situation
00:38:59
to -- to kind of go unknown as -- as a DV abuser. And I think Bob was -- was good at that.
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I mean, he was a salesman. -After all these years, Darlene Lufkin says she thinks the jury got it right.
00:39:15
-I had my suspicions all along. -You believed that that was the right verdict? -I do, I just feel that the questions
00:39:23
have been answered now. -At her father's sentencing in July 2025. Rhianna Stevens made an emotional appeal for leniency.
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Attorney Pollan read a letter from Bob Atrops' current wife, who has been married to him since 2011.
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Despite these appeals, the judge sentenced Robert Atrops to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years.
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When you lost your mom at a young age and you said, now you grieve your dad who is still alive,
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how do you make sense of what's happening? -I can't make sense of what's happening.
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I just have to... live through it and keep fighting. -She truly loved Rhianna. -What do you want people to know about your friend Debe?
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-That she didn't deserve this. She was a light that should still be here. -Do you think about your mother now?
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-I do think about her. I wonder what life would have been like... -Smile pumpkin.
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-...had I gotten to live my whole life, grow up having my mom. ♪♪ ♪♪

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  • 85
    Most heartbreaking
  • 80
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  • 80
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  • 75
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Episode Highlights

  • The Mystery of Deborah Atrops
    Deborah Atrops was found murdered in her car in 1988, leaving behind unanswered questions.
    “It was this mystery that has never been solved.”
    @ 00m 22s
    January 30, 2026
  • New Evidence in Cold Case
    In 2022, DNA evidence linked Bob Atrops to the murder of his estranged wife, Deborah.
    “The lab said Bob Atrops could not be excluded as a contributor to that DNA mixture.”
    @ 20m 38s
    January 30, 2026
  • Tragic Loss and Family Impact
    Rhianna Stevens reflects on her mother's murder and her father's role in it.
    “I was just in shock.”
    @ 23m 33s
    January 30, 2026
  • Chilling Prediction
    Debe warned friends about Bob, saying he would kill her if he found out about her relationship.
    “If anything happens to me, Bob did it.”
    @ 29m 50s
    January 30, 2026
  • Guilty Verdict
    37 years after her death, Robert Atrops was found guilty of murdering Debe Atrops.
    “Guilty.”
    @ 36m 03s
    January 30, 2026
  • Life Sentence
    Robert Atrops was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years.
    “The judge sentenced Robert Atrops to life in prison.”
    @ 40m 14s
    January 30, 2026

Episode Quotes

  • I was just in shock.
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  • I couldn't believe it.
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  • I miss her every day still.
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  • If anything happens to me, Bob did it.
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  • It was like the room went dead silent and everything was still in that moment.
    The Mother I Wish I Knew | Full Episode
  • She was a light that should still be here.
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Key Moments

  • Murder Discovery04:25
  • Cold Case Revival18:44
  • DNA Evidence20:09
  • Trial Begins26:49
  • Chilling Prediction29:50
  • Guilty Verdict36:03
  • Life Sentence40:14
  • Remembering Debe40:50

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