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What was he like during the trial? He he slept through some of it or he pretended to We don't have any
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interaction with him. But you're there trying the case. You look over and he's asleep. How do you sleep through your
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own murder trial? Good question. I mean, I I don't know. Tell me about your adversaries.
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I would say I've never seen anything like it in my 20 years of practicing law. Never seen anything like what? Behavior.
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You mean over the top? Yes. Too theatrical, too dramatic, to say the least. Is it a fair statement
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to say that your experience with the defense council in this case has left you both with a bad taste in your mouth?
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I think that's fair to say from from my standpoint. Sure. I mean, that's that's probably enough
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said. I understand. You can't lose focus on what this case is about. and and it's
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those four victims and their families. I mean, at the end of the day, it comes down to one one side's story is going to
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be bought. Is it going to be the prosecution's story or is it going to be the defense story? Absolutely. And so,
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that's a heavy burden. And so, uh, but I think everything in this case pointed to
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him, uh, in every respect, and he couldn't avoid