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now a special two-part edition of 48 [Music] Hours four young women three murdered one left to tell the
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story The Hollywood Ripper he's been called a Serial sexual thrill killer Hollywood
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2001 a 22-year-old believed to be actor Ashton Cooter's girlfriend is stabbed to
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death they were going to be hanging out the injuries that she suffered were horrific El Monti California
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2005 a 32-year-old woman is stabbed in her home there was slashing and cutting there were multiple stab ones not just a
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couple Sant Monica 2008 a young woman is woken up by a man attacking her with a knife she was
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stabbed multiple times in her chest and shoulder and and right arm she fought she stood up and she fought they were
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all young they were all attractive they were all [Music] female the media started calling him the
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Hollywood Ripper but had he killed others that was the question investigators more than 1,800 miles away
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outside Chicago had been wrestling with it would take a 48 Hours investigation to find the
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answer where was the window was this window outside Chicago 1993 the murder happened here in the
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middle of the night someone jumped out of the bushes and stabbed 18-year-old Trisha Picacho to death
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my daughter Trisha was murdered when she was 18 years old I was the one who found
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[Music] her I woke up I had a cup of coffee and I was going out to my van and I just happened to see two
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little tennis shoes sticking up by the side door and when I saw it was her I dropped a coffee cup
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[Music] who would do this to her why would anybody do this she was a nice girl I
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died right in and there we were told that we have to understand that some murders go
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unsolved and I was like there is no way somebody is going going to come to my door outside my door and do this and get
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away with it he's cold he's devious he's a predator and we've got ourselves a serial killer
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[Music] [Music] [Music] they never saw it coming Trisha Ashley Maria Michelle the trial of an accused serial
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killer has dominated the headlines here in Los Angeles he is known as the Hollywood
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Ripper may it please the court the methodical and systematic Slaughter of women that's what this case is about it
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is not overstating it to say this is a sensational murder trial Aston Ashton on the witness list Ashton Kutcher he was
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scheduled to go on a date with one of the victims the night she was murdered Ashton Kutcher talked about what would
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have been his first date with one of the murder victims for me this Story begins near my
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home just outside Chicago one question has haunted this quiet Glen viw community who killed
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Trisha picachio and why the murder of Trisha Picacho is a case we've been working on since the
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summer of 208 it took years to gain her parents' trust that maybe somehow by telling
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Trisha's story we could help catch her [Music] killer it wasn't long after sunrise in
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the morning of August 14th 1993 I was going out to my van and when I saw it was her I ran over
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there and saw what happened to her Rick Picacho had just walked out the garage when out of the corner of his eye he saw
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his 18-year-old daughter Trisha SPL out on the landing stabbed to death I tried to revive
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her that is what wor feeling in your life when you can't do nothing to somebody you
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love I remember just waking up to this Blood curling scream of my father and it was Doug call 911 Doug call 911 Trisha's
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brother Doug I don't really want to describe the details of of what I saw that's okay I have nightmares about it
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all the time the police arrived and Rick had to make a difficult call to his wife
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Diane he called me at work and said you have to come home Trisha's hurt I heard a lady screaming and the mother had just
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exited her vehicle and she was running towards Trish officer Ray salich saw her pull up
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and I basically tackled her and I didn't want her to see Trish like this and remember her daughter like that who
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would do this to her there is no nobody that knew her that would do this to her my daughter never did anything to put
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herself In Harm's Way you she was the type of girl that you knew where she was what she was doing and you never had to
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worry about her Trisha was also the type of girl who made the most of high school she took
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calculus was on the debate team and played clarinet in the band at the time of her Murder She was just a few days
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away from moving on to the next chapter in her Young and exciting life as a freshman at Purdue
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University she had a great attitude about everything and she knew what she wanted out of
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life were you close with her Trisha was an amazing girl was probably one of the most energetic and
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happy people I've ever seen Trisha's close friend Karen Jones spent a lot of time at the Picacho house her mom was
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very caring and treat us all like her children Trisha's younger brothers 17-year-old Doug and 13-year-old Tommy
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often had their friends over I fed the whole neighborhood everybody ate there they were just a very warm
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family on the night of August 13th Karen Trisha and most of the kids from their senior class went out one last Harrah
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for the summer that night a whole group of us got together for a scavenger hunt party one of the final parties of the
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summer before we all went off to college we ended things at the restaurant and people started getting in their cars to
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go home police believe it was around 1:00 a.m. as trishell walked toward the side
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door of the house keys in hand that the killer grabbed her left arm twisting and
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breaking it and then stabbing her 12 times I remember my chest just sink the minute I realized that she was
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gone and there was nothing I could do to help her detectives interviewed dozens of
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people some parents were too afraid to even let their kids talk no one seemed to know anything there were no leads no
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arrests to be honest I think we was Zed out for a long long time people talk about
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closure my experience is there is no closure that void is always there Rick picachio also had no idea how
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to go on living in the same house where he had found the butchered body of his beautiful daughter the family moved out
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for 4 years eventually they decided it was time to come back home shortly after they had an
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unexpected visitor former High School football player Michael gar julo one of Doug
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Pico's closest childhood friends Michael you've known since he was how old since
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probably he was in second grade because he lived on the next street Michael showed up at that door
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and he says I need I need to talk to Rick and I said well he's at work Michael and he said well can I wait for
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him I said yes he sat and waited for over an hour for him to come home from work sat at my kitchen table I remember
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walking in the garage door and I looked at him he he had this look on his face like he was going to say something to me
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but before Michael gulo had a chance to say anything the garage door opens his father and one of his sisters come in
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and say we have to leave Michael and they picked him up and whis them out and the door closed and I told I says golly
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that that was kind of odd but the look on his face Morin at that point Rick did you think this kid knows something or
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maybe he even had something to do with it yes you believe that was the moment that you
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started to think Michael G had something the Picos told authorities but it was too
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late Michael gar julo had disappeared [Music] soon after he left Chicago Mike gulo
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turned up in Los Angeles like a lot of other dreamers he wanted to be an actor or a
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[Music] model Anthony D Lorenzo and teer ly worked with Mike gulo in the late 9s
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they were all bouncers together at a Hollywood nightclub called the Rainbow Bar in
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Grill what did he tell you he was doing out here here acting modeling is isn't everybody right y he was doing the
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Hollywood thing he's doing the Hollywood thing yeah he sure is did he have a girlfriend at the time when you were all
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hanging out he always had girlfriend he always had girls after he was a goodl looking cleancut guy you know the
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waitress were always after him but garula moved on from the nightclub and began working for a
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heating and cooling company who was the first one among you to meet Michael garula I was Chris Jennifer desisto and
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Justin Peterson spoke to us in 2010 they were the kind of good friends most young people would be attracted to
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really the connection between this big group of friends was kind of partying and having a great time very
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free-spirited lifestyle right you were young We Were Young their introduction to mik or julo started with a flat
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tire I'm changing my flat tire and this guy comes walking down the street now he
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was good-looking and he stopped and offered to help me change attire at the same time 22-year-old Ashley ellerin
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came out of the house she was renting on the street Mike gulo noticed and Ashley
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was standing there with me and he was good-looking and she's beautiful I was like no it's okay I don't I know how to
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change a tire so he stood there talking to Ashley and they were you know talking
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and flirting they exchange numbers and that was our first meeting did you have any feeling about him one way or the
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other I mean he was just you know good-looking guy walking down the street offering to help Ashley ellerin the
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young woman Mike or julo had immediately noticed was a part-time fashion student
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she was amazing I mean she just had this Charisma to her that she could go into a
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room and walk into the room and just take complete control over the room and she was just beautiful and and fun and
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spontaneous she had a lot of friends Ashley was a 20 2-year-old you know attractive girl living in the Hollywood
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Hills and she liked to have fun absolutely she lik to have fun we had a lot of fun the guy they only knew is
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Mike kept trying to spend time with Ashley he called the house a lot after they running called and had begun just
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showing up uninvited scene that we were hanging the friends say one night he walked into the
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house during a party sat down and was laser focused on Ashley but Ashley was not interested back then lots of men
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were interested in her Hollywood is Hollywood interacting with celebrities that is how it is I mean they live here
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one celebrity in particular had started calling Ashley it was then upand cominging TV actor from that 70 show
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Ashton Kutcher why is everything do doing that we had hung out with them a couple
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of times let's go back to the night that Ashley was supposed to go out with Ashton Kutcher I knew they were going to
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be hanging out the next morning Ashley's roommate Jen came home I entered the house and Ashley was
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laying across the two stairs covered in blood the body of 22-year-old Ashley Lauren ellerin was found by her roommate
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early Thursday morning and that's when I realized that no this is not you know this is not happening who could have
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done [Music] this when Jennifer desisto got home that morning in 2001 she walked into a
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gruesome and terrifying scene at that point was just like a sense of trauma just came over me I thought maybe the
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person was still there and I kind of ran out hysterically I dropped that phone and end up getting to the car and
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calling from my cell phone 911 Ashley had been attacked just after taking a shower stabbed 47 times her
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body was lying just outside the bathroom had you ever seen anything like that before for in your life I I I
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absolutely had not and it still traumatizes me to this day police arrived quickly and started
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asking questions who could who could have done this it must have been one of the first
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questions that police asked you though was was anybody angry with her did she have any enemies it sounds like such a
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trait question but you would think that based on what you saw only someone who hated another person absolutely yeah and
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and also it was a given from the GetGo that it was obviously someone she was either familiar with or new to let them
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in because as we had said the the house was kind of double gated you believe that Ashley let him oh
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yeah yes okay this is nurst Road and this is Ashley Erin's uh former residence Hollywood homicide detective Tom small
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says there was little to go on no blood splatter outside no pieces of clothing no other no material that would lead you
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to one particular individual no we had teams of uh detectives searching the interior and the
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exterior uh we walked the streets we canvased every building door knocked every house were you kind of baffled
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initially very much so you know we were just looking for any type of uh direction or clues that would uh to lead
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to a suspect so we had to start with the victim and work backwards find out her associations they definitely wanted to
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talk to the person she was supposed to be on a date with that night how you doing conratulations actor Ashton
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Kutcher and what role has he played in this as a as a witness in any way he is a person in a group of Ashley's friends
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he's one of many and he was a friend of hers Kutcher and Ashley had plans to go to dinner but he was running late and
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kept pushing back his arrival Kutcher told detectives that at 8:24 p.m. he spoke with Ashley who told him she' just
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gotten out of the shower Ashton Kutcher didn't actually arrive at Ashley's front door until
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around 10:45 p.m. at which point he says he was confused because the lights were
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on but no one answered just as he was about to leave he glanced through a window and noticed what he thought was
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red wine spilled on the floor turns out it wasn't wine it was blood uh it just was a very bad scene a
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lot of anger a lot of rage somebody had isolated Ashley ellerin to to kill her and was very very
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angry when he did it could anyone think of someone who wanted to hurt Ashley not
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really almost to a person Ashley was considered to be you know like uh the life of the
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party she had a lot of friends from different walks of life friends from school her
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roommates celebrity type folks ccher wasn't the only man police were interested in talking to this is
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Mark Durban a not so famous actor who was also Ashley's property manager Durban and Ashley were secretly having a
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relationship and he and Ashley had been intimate earlier that evening but like Kutcher he had fully cooperated with
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investigators and both men were ruled out as possible suspects while police had no concrete
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leads Ashley's friends couldn't shake the feeling that the guy who seemed fixated on Ashley was
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involved in your initial conversation with police did you mention Michael garula to them uh yes the I didn't know
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his name but the heating and air conditioning gu and did they pay any attention to that I know they took note
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I don't I don't think they took it very seriously or that much of a threat if he
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was not in their circle of friends and they were creeped out by him so when you hear that does it strike a chord with
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you well I mean it it takes a little bit more than that to to get focused on somebody as a suspect in a in a case
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like this garula wasn't really on detective Small's radar Ashley had a large Social Circle there were hundreds
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of people to talk to and he was just the creepy air conditioner guy it would take
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months for police to learn his last name and put him on their list uh it weighed
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really heavy uh on me personally because uh everybody has the case and this one was mine my
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frustration was why can't I get the evidence I need to solve Ashley's [Music] murder back in Cook County just outside
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Chicago Trisha Pico's murder was unsolved for nearly 10 years her mother Diane was relentless hounding
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investigators at least once or twice a and did you feel like anything was being done in that time no but I kept thinking
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maybe I just keep going and talking to them and keep telling them every little thing that came to I mean it was just it
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it helped me probably emotionally because it was almost like I could talk to them they under they knew what had
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happened mhm I have the tenacity to keep going until it does happen you're not going to give up I'm not going to give
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up no my daughter is going to get the representation that she deserves coook County Sheriff's
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detective L solo was assigned to the case in 1999 we had the benefit of Technology
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when we took the case over by 2002 new DNA technology allowed investigators to take a fresh look at
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the evidence collected from the crime scene we we were hoping to establish some type of DNA profile give us an idea
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of a possible offender so what's the first big test result you get back the First new piece of information from this
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round of DNA testing well the biggest thing is when we got the unknown male contributor from the
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fingernails male DNA found on Trisha's fingernails now they had to match it at that point we began the DNA campaign of
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everybody including the picachio family her friends of hers that were with her at the road rally that night we even
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tested the dog you even tested the dog yeah detectives wanted samples from anyone they had talked to back in the
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day and Michael garulu was on their list detectives heard garulu was now living in Los Angeles so they went to the LAPD
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for help I had no knowledge they were even coming by now detective small had begun to take a closer look at Michael
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garula and uh all of a sudden we get a phone call Cook Count's in town he says well who who is it you're looking for
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and they named Michael garula you said hey that's that's my guy they showed up I held up a photo I said is this who who
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you're looking for and they said yeah how do you know him I said well right now he's a potential suspect in a in a
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murder investigation what do you guys have detective small agreed to help Cook County find garula and collect a DNA
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sample [Music] [Music] in 2002 almost 10 years after Trisha Pico's murder the LAPD caught up with
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Michael garula we obtained Mr gul's DNA sample and I and he was cooperative with that
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not really but it it got done the DNA sample was sent to the Illinois State Police crime lab the
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results were stunning a match it was Michael gul's DNA on Trisha's fingernails Case Closed not exactly did
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you think it was enough to move forward well I thought it was but uh I'm not the
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attorneys Cook County detective L Salah it was explained to me and and the explanation made sense at the time that
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they they just wanted some type of cooperating evidence they needed something more than the more than that
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because they said Michael gul's DNA might have gotten on Trisha in a way that had nothing to do with the murder
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at at the time he was a friend of the family you know and one would have to wonder could it have gotten there by
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casual contact and had there been casual contact in the hours before or the day before they that she was murdered there
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was the day before the day before her murder garula was driving with another friend Scott Olen when they saw Trisha
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we drove past Picasso's house and who do we see around in the corner walking away
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from us there's Trisha Mike's driving he kind of swerves over slows down swerves
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over gets right behind her and we saw she was crying so she's like hey give me a ride like whoa okay sure get in so she
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gets in the car um said take her to so Ando take me to so ando's house so we just we just drove her we dropped her
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off and and that was it when we spoke to Jack Blakey from the Cook County State's
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Attorney's Office in 2011 he confirmed that because of that ride and because gulo had spent time at the family home
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he cannot be sure if gul's DNA on Trisha was from the attack the evidence just hasn't been there I wish we could bring
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closer to her family tomorrow so with nothing else tying him to Trisha's or Ashley's death garula was
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only a guy who had the bad luck of knowing two different women who had been murdered in exactly the same
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way garula left Hollywood and continued doing what he always did never staying in one place for too long how come
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nobody keeps tabs on this guy I don't know if they if they tried my understanding was he kept kind of a low
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profile I think he knew he was on the radar over the next few years gulo had several girlfriends and even became a
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father in 2005 he settled in Suburban El Monte 20 m east of Hollywood then just before Christmas
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that same year in that same neighborhood there was a murder the victim was another attractive young woman we're
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talking about a 90 lb 32-year-old woman who's defenseless asleep in hered de in her home where if there's any one place
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in the world she should feel most secure that attack is every woman's nightmare Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
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homicide detective Mark lilyfield uh this is a building where the murder happened behind me in department number
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20 is where Maria Bruno lived she had uh 2-year-old Twins and then I believe a four-year-old and a 5-year-old in the
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months before her death Maria and her husband had several violent fights including one where her husband punched
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her in the face she left him and found an apartment in this gated complex and she had picked that building
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specifically because it was very secure you had to either have a passcode or a a
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key to get through the front door so it was a pretty secure building but someone got past that
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security the suspect entered through the kitchen it appears from the evidence that he obtained a weapon there in the
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kitchen a knife correct her body was somewhat mutilated and you just you know that's that's crap
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you see in the movies in real life that that is very rare it just doesn't happen there was very little evidence
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Left Behind except for one blue cotton booty found in the courtyard outside Bruno's apartment just about where we're
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standing is where that blue cotton booty was at right here yeah right here right
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here and it was kind of out of place actually on the sole of the booty was a drop of blood and DNA testing proved
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that in fact it was Maria's blood police immediately took a hard look at runo's estranged husband there
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was the history of a turbulent relationship and drops of Maria's blood were found in his car but Maria's
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husband told police that earlier that evening he and Maria had decided to rekindle their relationship they went to
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a restaurant where the manager confirmed Maria had cut her finger and was bleeding as they
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left and like Picacho then ellerin and now Bruno another vicious murder eventually turned into a cold case as
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for Michael garulu his romantic life was once again in turmoil he left his girlfriend and new baby in Suburban LA
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and headed to the beach Santa Monica and once again where julo went an attack eventually
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followed a young woman is woken up by a man attacking her with a [Music] knife Santa Monica April 28
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2008 another Breakin another brutal assault but this attack would change everything
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S I got the call about 12:30 in the morning from my sergeant and uh asked me to come out and uh respond to a scene of
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a stabbing or attempted murder then Santa Monica Police Sergeant Richard Lewis um he gained access into this
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window which was open a few inches and once he got inside there he then opens the front door kind of stages it as an
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escape route um proceeds into the bedroom where she's sleeping and and uh what awakes her is a knife being plunged
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into her he just flat out stabbed her right she was stabbed multiple times uh in her
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chest and shoulder and and right arm and suffered several wounds to both of her hands as she's grabbing this knife as
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it's being plunged down upon her the victim was 26-year-old Michelle Murphy what can you tell us about her oh
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she's an incredible young lady and uh just someone who's very resilient and uh decided to
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fight as Murphy all of 5'1 was fighting for her life the blade is slipping back and forth and somewhere in the struggle
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the attacker is also cut and at some point there's a A Lull in the action and uh she was able to get her feet up
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underneath and kick him off of her the attacker stumbles off the bed and out of the room bleeding profusely
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from her multiple stab wounds Murphy runs after the hooded man down the hallway to the front
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door did he say anything to her ever uh I'm sorry he said I'm sorry I'm sorry then he ran
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out Michelle immediately called her boyfriend who called 911 uh she told me that she woke up and there was someone
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on top of her and she forced him off and out okay we our then the police call Michelle okay what
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is your name it's very hard to hear her answers the fire department is already on the
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way and we're on our way what this person look [Music] like everything dark you don't know how
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big this guy was how he [Music] was so he comes out this door and there's blood on the steps right outside
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the front door we have some blood on the steps okay and then Blood on the concrete steps here leading out down
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this walkway and into the alley so how significant in your investigation and when you showed up that night did you
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think that blood was going to be huge huge about 25 days after uh submitting my samples to the crime lab I'm informed
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by a criminalist or we actually have a hit a DNA hit and who does it match Michael garulu
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conclusively [Music] yes they were able to make the match because remember gul's DNA had been
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collected for DNA testing in the picachio case and was already un file and guess where garula lived at the time
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of the attack it'd be the second building down in the uh first window would be just above that black trash can
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that youd see on the left side he could see right into her her bedroom if she were to have the blinds
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open that'd be correct that's pretty scary yes absolutely within 24 hours of making
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that DNA match garula was arrested for the assault of Michelle Murphy he was taken
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into custody and what was his response his response was which agency is this what did that say to you that tells
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me a lot it tells me that uh he wasn't sure which crime he's getting charged for but that there was more than one out
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there to me that's what that meant yes Sergeant Lewis was reminded of a conversation he'd once had with
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Detective lilyfield about a similar murder that had happened 3 years earlier in elonte just outside of Los Angeles I
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got a call from Sergeant Rich Lewis from the Santa Monica Police Department he had a case that was very similar um
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luckily his victim survived and he had identified a suspect and it turns out garula once lived close enough to Mara
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Bruno to also watch her she reported to friends run-ins with the strange guy across the
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way so this is her apartment and where was gar jula's apartment located um if you turn around and look it's right over
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your right shoulder it's apartment number 34 so that is up just behind that tree correct uh correct just to the
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right of that tree uh so you've got a clear view obviously from his apartment now the pieces of the puzzle were
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finally starting to come together determined investigators had discovered more evidence remember that blue booty
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found near Maria Bruno's front door in gul's old apartment just across the way and sure enough in the Attic of the
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apartment we wound up finding a matching booty a blue cotton booty just like the
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same one that we had found at the crime scene the same manufacturer the same make the same model of
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booty and in that 2001 murder of Ashley ellerin garula lived only a couple of blocks away he was frequently seen
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hanging out with his dog at this park directly across the street from Ashley's home we had information that he's you
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know frequented the dog park parked his vehicle on occasion over there within a month Michael garula was
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also charg with the murders of Ashley ellerin and Maria Bruno [Music] when Trisha Picano's family heard that
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Mike gulo had been arrested in La they were certain he would soon be charged with Trisha's murder but nothing
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happened then in 2011 48 Hours ran our first show about the so-called Hollywood Ripper and the unsolved murder of Trisha
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Picacho almost immediately after the show aired a witness reached out to me he watched the show and it was a mug
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shot of Mike teer ly one of Michael gul's bouncer buddies from Hollywood and did you reach out to
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Anthony I did I did I sent him a text yeah he uh did you know Mike's a serial killer turns out both teer and Anthony D
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Lorenzo had led checkered lives of their own in and out of jail but both men were
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now fathers and seeing Trisha's father on 48 Hours moved them I tried to revive her that is worst feeling in your life
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when you can't do nothing for somebody you love I get emotional cuz I I love my children uh and when I when I look at
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him and I see that video to this day I get a pain in my chest that any man would have to miss and love their child
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like that so you're watching it and we're telling the story and you have already know you already know you have
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pieces of the puzzle that we don't even know exist yeah I said I had to I have to let somebody know what I know here's
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what teer and Anthony knew they said back in 2000 when they were all working together Michael gulo told them he had
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murdered a girl in Chicago we're cruising down Sunset you know he asked us but he's
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like you guys ever kill anybody and he's like I have and like shut the you know shut up here we go again you know he
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said he buried this he was he was I buried a [ __ ] he goes I left the [ __ ] on the steps for dead we put them in
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touch with Chicago authorities And Soon Michael gulo was indicted for the murder
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of Trisha Picacho 18 years after her death then Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez this new evidence that uh
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has just come forward after the 48 Hour episode really coupled with the DNA we feel at this point that we have
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sufficient evidence but the picachio search for justice was just beginning there was a
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long road ahead full of unexpected twists and turns well see my truth is being 100%
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innocent being wrongfully charged all I could do is be Cal and fight for my innocence
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[Music] up next I hate you I hate you I hate you the accused Hollywood Ripper faces trial
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this was somebody who was going to take pleasure in plunging a knife into their victim over and over and over again
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celebrity Ashton Kutcher takes the stand in a surprise both the prosecution and the defense make him their star witness
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Ashton Kutcher talked about what would have have been his first date with one of the murder victims the case will not
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be easy for the da zero trace evidence no eyewitnesses no fingerprints really they had nothing and the defense says
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there may be other Killers out there they just have to establish some Reasonable Doubt in the minds of the
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jury and offer a bizarre story began a circular slicing motion multiple personalities it was really a very
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strange spectacle and even possession if you were caught red-handed doing something you can say I was there but I
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wasn't you don't want to think that a regular person you know can actually commit this horrific of a crime and then
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just go live dayto day who does that the case of the Hollywood Ripper is not over not by a long shot it's really
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really sick [Music] this special two-part edition of 48 hours will continue [Music]