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Encrypted messaging apps helping terrorists "go dark"

November 15, 2015 / 02:50

This episode covers ISIS threats, counterterrorism measures, and encrypted communication challenges. John Miller discusses the potential for attacks in the US, specifically New York.

John Miller, deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism at the NYPD, explains the heightened security measures in New York City, including 1,500 police officers on patrol with tactical gear. He emphasizes the city's readiness in light of past attacks like Charlie Hebdo and Mumbai.

Miller reveals that there have been recent ISIS-inspired plots in New York, including a pressure cooker bomb plot and plans for violence during Fourth of July celebrations. He highlights the ongoing threat posed by ISIS operatives in the US.

The conversation also touches on the challenges of monitoring terrorist communications due to encrypted apps that protect messages from surveillance. Miller cites FBI Director Jim Comey's concerns about going dark in the context of counterterrorism.

The episode concludes with Miller reiterating the importance of intelligence and preparedness in preventing attacks.

TLDR

John Miller discusses ISIS threats and New York's counterterrorism measures against potential attacks.

Episode

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And tonight, ISIS is vowing more attacks, but the White House says so far there is no specific or credible threat
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to the US. Former CBS News correspondent John Miller is the deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism at
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the New York City Police Department. John, good evening. I think the question people want to know is could an attack
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like what happened in Paris happen here? Here meaning uh the US, it certainly could. Here meaning New York. uh we
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spent the last two years redeveloping, redesigning uh the field piece of our counterterrorism program to address just
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this. So now um we have basically 1,500 police officers in uniform in cars with long semi-automatic rifles and heavy
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vests that are on patrol all the time. I don't think any other city um in the world has a tactical capability on that
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level and we've done that because we've been watching this. We watched Charlie Abdo. We watched this. We watched the
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Mumbai attack and we we've reassessed it. I mean the question is are they coming here? They've been here ISIS has
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been here in the month of June. Nora, I think uh we had uh well between April and the end of June, we had uh a
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pressure cooker bomb plot inspired by ISIS targeting police that was interdicted through good intelligence
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and undercover work. We had a second plot that involved a plan to behead somebody in New York and to use pressure
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cooker bombs at the Fourth of July celebrations among the things they were talking about doing. Um and a couple of
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attacks on FBI agents and police officers in the course of breaking up those plots. So it's um it's not a
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wakeup call. Uh it's been happening here. I mean Paris is set to host hundreds of world leaders in two weeks.
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It's a big global chime climate change summit that's there. How could attacks with this level of coordination and
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lethality go virtually undetected? Nora, I think what you're seeing here is what
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FBI Director Jim Comey calls going dark. And that is that in the in in kind of the the the time following the Snowden
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debate about privacy and uh about uh government overreaching and all of those allegations uh a series of apps have
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come out that are encrypted that have messages that self-destruct set to a timer that can hold group chats that are
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completely protected from surveillance for up to 200 people. And the terrorists have found these apps and they're using
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it. And Nora, what I'm talking about is you can walk in the door with a court order from a federal judge, hand it over
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to the company and say, "We need to see what's inside here." Just like we did in
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Mumbai, just like we did after 9/11, and they'll tell you, "We can't see what's inside. We designed it to be
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uncrackable." That's a real challenge and scary. John Miller, thank you so much. Thanks.

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Episode Highlights

  • Ongoing Threats in the US
    John Miller reveals that attacks inspired by ISIS have been thwarted in the US.
    “It's not a wakeup call. It's been happening here.”
    @ 01m 39s
    November 15, 2015
  • Challenges of Encrypted Communication
    John Miller explains how terrorists use encrypted apps to evade detection.
    “The terrorists have found these apps and they're using it.”
    @ 02m 29s
    November 15, 2015

Episode Quotes

  • It's not a wakeup call. It's been happening here.
    Encrypted messaging apps helping terrorists "go dark"
  • How could attacks with this level of coordination go virtually undetected?
    Encrypted messaging apps helping terrorists "go dark"
  • The terrorists have found these apps and they're using it.
    Encrypted messaging apps helping terrorists "go dark"

Key Moments

  • Counterterrorism Measures00:36
  • Encrypted Communication02:29

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