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[Music] we all live two lives only the most intimate people that we know really know who we
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are 911 do need police or paramedics uh paramedic it begins with a 911 call from
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the house it was a Sunday morning November 13th year 2016 what's the address of the emergency
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sir it's a TGA in San Clemente too is a new community it's kind of considered a sleepy little town
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nice place to work nice place to live now What's happen we got a patient here who's Fallen upstairs and I don't have a
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pulse and she's cold Eric Scott Sills is a fertility doctor you found her down at
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the bottom of the stairs yeah partially on the stairs Suzanne Stills is his wife
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looks like her shoe come off or something the mother of twins a boy and a girl so she's not
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breathing no she's not breathing she was the one who was found that morning I'm going to give you
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instructions for chest compressions okay they had it on a speaker phone so Scott
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and Mary Kate the daughter were both heard on the on the 911 call what are you trying to do sir I can't see what's
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going on what you CPR I'm doing the CPR Dr Sills was a infertility specialist you going keep up I'm going to do it
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this way they ran their Clinic as partners Suzanne took care of all the business side of things continue the
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compressions until paramedics arrive and take over she's making noises out of her
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mouth she was his number one supporter in everything that he did they really looked like they had it all okay hold on
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we're we're doing it she was making some kind of noise just from the compressions but I think
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she was already dead we get notified by our Sergeant to come out to a house and begin a death
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investigation so when you went inside what stuck out to you well soon as you go into the front door the stairwells
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right off to your left Suzanne was right there she had a blanket covering her body we could see
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the other things laying around like this stainless steel Soup pot a purse an empty medication bottle and then the
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scarf was a little bit further down away from her the deputy Corner during her preliminary body exam of Suzanne the
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injuries weren't consistent with somebody falling down the stairs her neck had a pretty pronounced ligature
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Mark the question is how was she strangled when she was found the scarf was around her
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neck I think the first day there was mention of dogs maybe pulling on a scarf oh you're so good had a couple of dogs
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rescues very K saw the dogs pulling on the scarf we didn't get the impression that it was any kind of violent pulling
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do you think that the dogs could have pulled on her scarf hard enough to strangle her to death could they do it
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yes when you came to the house it was a death investigation by the time you left
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was it a murder investigation no it wasn't just as clearcut as that [Music] [Music]
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[Music] do you have a spidey sense when you go into these scenes I'd like to think so
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probably all of us would like to think so that we could just figure it out as soon as we walk in Sherlock hom
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Style on that sun Sunday morning in November 2016 Orange County Sheriff's homicide detectives Eric hatch and Dave
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Holloway had more questions than Clues at that point in time that morning November 13th was Scott Sills a victim
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or a suspect to us he was a victim we were going to a house where two kids and a husband just lost their wife and
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mother Dr Scott Sills had made that 911 call and reported finding his wife and business partner Suzanne at the bottom
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of the stairs is it a steep stairway yeah it's pretty high I believe it was 13 and 1 12 ft from the floor to the top
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of the stairs did it seem plausible that a 45-year-old woman in pretty good shape
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would have fallen down the stairs to her death at the time it sounded believable Suzanne had injuries to
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pretty much her whole body her face was all bruised up her back was bruised up both arms and legs
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were had bruising and abrasions and around her body was that odd collection of items they definitely stood out
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especially that steel Puck it almost looked like it was placed there it wasn't upside down or leaning against
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anything we had to figure out why those things were there the detectives say Dr Sills didn't seem nervous that a
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homicide team was in his home asking questions he was just kind of going with the flow how Cooperative was he oh very
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everything we asked of him he he gave us he signed a consent form that gave us permission to search his house and when
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they interviewed the Sill's children Mary Katherine and Eric the 12-year-old twins each told a similar story to their
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dad that Suzanne had not been feeling well that night Suzanne had a history of migraines they were typically
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debilitating requiring a dark room quiet and bed rest and she had been suffering
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from a migraine that weekend the migraine seemed to explain that large pot sometimes she carried around a bowl
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in order to have it near her bedside in case she threw up in the middle of the night and the empty pill bottle was for
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a pain medication Dr SS said his wife took to treat her migraines so did that make it sound more possible that she
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could have fallen down the stairs because she was suffering from a migraine maybe and there seemed to be
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nothing in the couple's relationship to suggest another reason what did you learn about the Sill's marriage
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according to Scott everything was fine they had a you know a good relationship both children attested that their
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parents loved each other and said they rarely argued and were never violent detectives started piecing
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together a timeline of the weekend Saturday night she was on the couch Eric came down to see her check on
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her make sure she was okay it was around midnight when Eric said he and and his mom went back
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upstairs after she put the dogs away in their crate Mary Katherine had gone to bed in her parents' bedroom Susanne was
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going to spend the night in Mary Katherine's room which was the quietest it was Mary Katherine's idea for Suzanne
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to spend the night in that room it was clean according to Mary Katherine and done up like a little hotel suite for
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Suzanne to convalesce in there Mary Katherine had left a note on her door with what would be her last
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words to her mom I know you were tired she said but you need to know that I love
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[Music] you around 4:00 a.m. Eric said he woke to the sound of his parents arguing in
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the Next Room the two windows that's Eric's room so Eric is right next to Mary Katherine's room where his mom was
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and what did he tell you he heard well he heard loud voices arguing but he didn't describe hearing any physical
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confrontation Eric told detectives that after about 5 minutes he decided to go sleep in the main bedroom with his
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sister according to Mary Katherine's statement she thought he'd come in around 3:40 a.m. and told her their
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parents were arguing about a work email how do you know she she got an email because Eric said they were talking
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about that oh okay so Eric told you that there that she got an email and that she
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was it was about some something something about word Dr Sills told detectives he had argued with Suzanne
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because he found her working late on her laptop which made her migraines worse when you heard that they had an argument
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shortly before she was found at the bottom of the stairs dead what was going through your mind well again that's one
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more piece of data that we're going to collect it doesn't mean one way or the other that it was a murder but that's
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definitely an Avenue that we would have to pursue neither Eric nor Mary Catherine heard their dad return to the
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bedroom I woke up and my dad was just like on the covers just laying there like there wasn't enough room to get in
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I guess so we just was laying there on top of it yeah it was around 6:30 a.m. the next
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morning when Dr Sills and the twins woke up he asked them if they wanted to go to
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the pool and get some donuts Mary Catherine said when she left the bedroom and looked over the
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banister she saw her mom's body at the bottom of the stairs that long red and white scarf around her
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neck that was Mary Katherine's scarf it was found in the same room as suzan's body but the scarf wasn't on her body
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when we arrived it was not Mary Catherine told us that she had to remove the scarf and she did that not to impede
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mom's breathing adding to the mystery were the injuries to Suzanne's neck the deputy coroner had noticed during a
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preliminary examination of the body earlier that morning especially with the lature mark across her neck it just
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didn't make sense is it possible that she could have fallen down the stairs and then somehow the scarf strangled her
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could have caught on a banister sure I suppose so but we didn't have any evidence of that as detectives continued
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their investigation the question did anybody in the house hear a fall down the stairs no nobody described
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hearing a fall down the stairs or if suzan had been carrying that stainless steel pot no one heard that bounce down
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the stairs or land on the tile floor there was no evidence on the stairs of someone going down like broken ballast
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or anything like that and something else the detectives thought was strange it was a warm day
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even though it was November but when we spoke with Scott and during the whole time we were in the house doing our
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investigation he was wearing a beanie over his head and he said that he slept with it cuz it was cold did you ask him
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to remove the beanie yes as it turned out Suzanne wasn't the only one with injuries that morning
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[Music] we discovered that Scott had some injuries he had a cut up here on his forehead and on his arm he had a uh
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bruise Dr Scott Sills said there was a simple explanation for the injuries he had hurt himself while working on his
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car in the garage with his son Eric there was just one problem Eric told us dad didn't hurt himself did he say to
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you I left the garage so maybe you hurt himself while I was gone no he told us they came in the house together and
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investigators said they found something Dr Sills couldn't explain on that day you found blood yes blood in Mary
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Catherine's room where Suzanne had been staying on the curtains the wall and the
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nightstand so that morning when you asked Scott about the blood what did he say he didn't know where it came from he
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He was unaware of it Mary Catherine told investigators the room was quote perfect when she left it
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she also said she'd turned down the bed but now it was made it didn't really make sense why would Suzanne take the
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time to make the bed in the middle of the night so if you found blood in Mary Katherine's bedroom you know that there
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are ligature marks on Suzanne why not take him down to the station at this point and question him
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once you arrest somebody that starts processes that you you can't stop besides the blood in the bedroom we
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didn't really have enough evidence of a fight occurring so at the end of the day
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there wasn't enough probable cause legally to arrest him Suzanne's autopsy 4 days later didn't provide any
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definitive answers the forensic pathologist noted that Suzanne had injuries all over her
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body that could have resulted from a fall including a fractured C3 vertebrae near the base of her neck which can be
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fatal then there was that ligature mark across her neck and hemorrhaging of the blood vessels in her eyes which pointed
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to strangulation it would take months to make an official ruling it's not something they want to
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rush into it's not something they want to make a rash judgment on the doctor wanted to examine the whole case more
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more clearly in the meantime detectives requested DNA testing on evidence collected from the Sill's home and
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forensic analysis on Suzanne's phone and laptop they also dug deeper into who the
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Sills were none of their immediate neighbors knew anything about the family eventually we contacted whoever we could
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out of their contact list to try and find out [Music] more in high school I thought this must be what genius
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means his humor his his quick wit Sandy Roberts and Jamie aens have known Scott Sills since their high school days in
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Herman Tennessee he was something we had never seen before in a small town in Tennessee at that age he was very
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special it was hilarious how many people come to class in a three-piece suit and it's not dress
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up day he's flamboyant he's bigger than life he was very very kind I grew up uh pretty poor I didn't have a car in high
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school or anything like that and a lot of times no lunch money and uh he always pulled out his wallet and paid for it it
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just wasn't a question his future seemed Limitless he was accepted to both law school and medical school we were kind
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of all on the edge of our seat wondering what he was going to decide to do and it was no surprise when the
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hometown boy became a renowned IVF specialist a profession that would lead him to Suzanne Suzanne was going through
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fertility treatment trying to get pregnant with her first husband Chris solamini met Suzanne AR
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swaga in business school where she earned an MBA she had confided in him about her struggles to get pregnant
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having kids was everything to suzan she'd cry about it I mean it was so important to
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her and Eric Scott SS was her fertility doctor but soon Chris says they were were a couple she started talking about
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Dr Sills after she had told me she was getting divorced and that she was now dating
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him I just remember her saying he's a brilliant doctor Dr Sills who was also coming out of a previous marriage seemed
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to have met his match Susanna was smart witty we love Mr St sarcastic but not in a mean way you
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know just enough to to dig at you you know incredibly driven a loyal friend she was so classy so beautiful very
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engaging seemed like to me he he found one that is a good it was a good fit Suzanne fit right in at Scott's 20th
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High School reunion she danced the whole time they were lovely together he just seemed really happy the couple married
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and welcomed twins through IVF adding to Dr Sill's two older kids and eventually Suzanne's business
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Acumen would lead them to start their own IVF practice in April 2015 she started the business and she
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built it Suzanne pretty much ran everything with the exception of actually doing the
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procedures the practice soon took off we actually have Dr Scott sils here in OBGYN who's also a fertility specialist
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so and Dr s was often featured on the TV program The Doctors which was distributed by CBS we've decided to
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provide you that removal surgery at no cost he was in many eyes a saint he was uh loved by his patients Dr Julio Novoa
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is an OBGYN who co-authored a book with Dr Sills Dr Sills was a great doctor and
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and Susan was a a great advocate for women as well and there were a team not just married but a team and working well
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together but about a month before her death Rick Leeds another of Suzanne's friends says she left him a troubling
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message she sounded like she was whispering it was so different from the happy jovial excited voicemails I got
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before this one was definitely things weren't good when they spoke Rick says it sounded like there was tension over a
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photo she said it was a topless photo of her that had appeared on a Blog this was
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some discussion she didn't want to [Music] have when news of Suzanne's death reached her friends they were stunned it
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was devastating I couldn't believe it it didn't seem plausible to me that she just fell down the stairs with a
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migraine headache it didn't sound like the vibrant Suzanne they knew Dr Sill's friends say they were
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equally perplexed Scott would not discuss anything with us he quickly changed the
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subject we never spoke again you don't know how tragedies affect people what were your impressions of
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Scott Sills throughout the investigation I would describe him as emotionless he never acted as though Suzanne was even
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his wife he talked about what a good manager she was and how she kept their business flowing but he never once
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mentioned that she was a good mother or that he loved her all very businesslike yeah in fact the day after Suzanne's
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death the doctor had gone to work I was shocked at who goes to the office the next morning when your wife
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died Joanie Ricker's daughter was a nurse at the Sills IVF clinic and had called her in a panic she said her
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patients are in cycle and they have to be treated Joanie volunteered to help manage the office something Suzanne did
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and ended up working there for two years did Dr SS talk about his wife oh never did he ever say how she died or it was
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never discussed pretty soon she says the doctor started changing his his appearance he started dress like a movie
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star I mean he was very simple before and she says the once balding doctor now had a full head of hair we definitely
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noticed um new hair they also noticed Dr Sill's flashier online Persona I said to one of my friends now
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is SS a doctor or a model I personally don't know any doctors on social media that are taking selfies in the gym and
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their their Blazers and their sunglasses and in their Porsches I it was a little
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much all of a sudden there started to be another woman in photos and he was out on dates and they were going around
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town the behavior raised eyebrows but it was hardly evidence then in November 2017 a year after Suzanne's death there
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was finally news from the coroner's office Suzanne's cause of death was cited as ligature strangulation and the
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manor a homicide Dr Sills was now the prime suspect DNA results on the blood in Mary
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Katherine's room showed a mixture of his and suzan's DNA they were both there there was a fight there was a fight and
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he killed his wife on August 8th 2018 nearly 2 years after Suzanne's death detectives
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Holloway and hatch made a surprise house call at the doctor's home did you ask Dr Sills at this point
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just flat out did you kill your wife yes and started stressing out and started sweating and he became more
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defensive they say the doctor denied killing his wife and he now offered an explanation for his blood in Mary
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Katherine's room he said he had injured himself replacing a window screen wouldn't Mary Katherine have seen the
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blood that he left from replacing the screen for sure and she didn't mention it nope despite the death being ruled a
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homicide detectives said they still had more investigating to do like finding a motive a search of Suzanne's phone
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provided some Clues text messages hinted at problems in the marriage there was one in particular where she had some
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pretty strong words towards Scott in text sent in late August Less Than 3 months before her death Suzanne wrote I
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am trapped you are killing me I just want out and we just aren't right for each other and about a month before her death
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Suzanne had confided in Rick Leeds she and Scott were in a really rocky place and she was thinking about leaving
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him he said Suzanne was also upset about a photo photo she' posted online whatever was going on between her and
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Scott and this picture was just a pivotal point for her Suzanne had posted a topless photo
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after making a bet in a political chat room called patrick.net Suzanne apparently was one of the few women who
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was involved in this forum she kind of threw out that if Donald Trump won the presidential nomination that she would
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post a picture of her bare breasts and on the day of her death detectives had found a print out in Dr Sill's home
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office of an exchange between Suzanne and another patrick.net member from August 30th 2016 discussing the photo
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the man who went by 10B bass wrote All I've got to say is you must have a super cool husband Suzanne AKA turtle dove
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replied he's exhausted actually it isn't easy being married to a woman who is partially naked and posing alluringly
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all the time Dr Sills denied that he had printed that chat but when investigators
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later searched his phone they found a photo of the same exchange does this sound like this could
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lead to motive yes if it's something that's building up in him some kind of anger or jealousy about what his wife's
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doing online without him enough to kill her mhm detectives also learned that Dr Sills had tried to collect on a
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$250,000 life insurance policy on Suzanne but he claimed the insurance company had called him he wasn't able to
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collect a death certificate was ruled as a homicide do you think Scott sils thought he'd gotten away with it I think
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so every day that went by he felt a little bit more at ease I think on April 25th 2019 nearly 2 and a half years
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after Suzanne's death Dr Sills was arrested for her alleged murder on his way to surgery he quickly posted a
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million dooll Bond but investigators were about to get an unexpected tip from a woman who said she had met Dr Sills
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while Suzanne was still alive they met through Facebook he was infatuated with her she shared an email
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Dr Sills had sent her about two weeks after Suzanne's death poor marer Marie yes so it's in
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French this is probably the most important manuscript I have ever written I am asking you to seriously rethink our
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suspended but once intense relationship when you first read that email what was your
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reaction I thought me I was shocked this is a motive so could Dr SS have killed his wife to get her out of the way oh I
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just don't see that at all Dr SS defense attorney Jack early denies that there was a romantic relationship and he says
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that email was merely a devastated father's desperate attempt to find a new mother for his children did you feel in
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your gut that you could win this case oh [Music] [Music] yes in November 2023 just over 7 years
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after Suzanne Sills death Scott Sills now stripped of his medical license went on trial for her murder the Orange
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County District Attorney's Office declined our request for an interview but cameras were allowed in court for
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portions of the trial where senior Deputy da Jennifer Walker laid out her case to the jury November 13th of
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2016 this man killed his wife and hit it Walker argued that Scott Sills beat and then strangled Susan to
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death before staging the scene to make it look like she'd fallen down the stairs this is a murder not an accident
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the prosecution's case relied heavily on suzan's autopsy but Scott s's defense attorney Jack early came to court armed
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with a unique theory he suggested that Suzanne fell either going up or down the stairs and that one or both of the
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family dogs then tugged on the scarf that was wrapped around her her neck do you honestly think that the dogs pulled
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hard enough to strangle her to death no no I didn't that was not the main theory
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that the dogs actually strangled her to death instead early focused on another injury identified in suzan's autopsy
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that fractured C3 vertebra he says that injury is consistent with a fall and that it would have left Suzanne
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incapacitated let's assume that someone trips and falls and fractures or C3 their breathing is compromised if
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they're then choked it doesn't take much to kill them the defense had the scarf tested for dog DNA it came back positive
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and there was testimony that the dogs were known to play tug-of-war as seen in this
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video and when Suzanne and Scott's now 19-year-old daughter Mary Katherine took the stand for the prosecution her
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testimony supported the defenses Theory investigator Dave Hollow was at the trial Mary Catherine testified that
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she saw the dogs pulling at the scarf around her neck and none of that came up during the the day we interviewed her
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the first time how did that strike you well um I know that she was still close with her father do you think she's
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trying to protect her dad I would say so early denies that he says the reason Mary Katherine didn't tell investigators
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is simple it wasn't asked why would she think the dogs are important she doesn't
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even know that there's any question of being choked he says Scott Sills did tell First Responders and he argued that
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suzan's toxicology tests point to an accidental fall she had a muscle relaxing and pain medication in her
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system and early told the jury that Suzanne suffered from a fainting disorder and that vertigo would
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accompany her migraines but the prosecution said the defense's theory just doesn't make sense strangulation is
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a silent killer you know what's not a silent killer falling down multiple stairs you have to believe she bounced
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her head neck back shoulders Insider arms legs and feet multiple ways against approximately six stairs like being in a
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soundproof pinball machine then was strangled by her dogs not reasonable and why would
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Suzanne have a scarf around her neck that early in the morning to begin with prosecutors suggested that Scott Sills
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used it to strangle her and then left it around her neck to cover the marks but early told the jury it wasn't unusual
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for Suzanne to wear a scarf especially when she wasn't feeling well because if she got sick that was something that she
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would would would wear a scarf to wipe your mouth with it but the prosecution also pointed out
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that Suzanne and Scott's son Eric told investigators he saw his mother put the dogs away in their crate in the hours
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before she died Eric said that his mom put the dogs in the crate yes sometimes dogs when they're crate trained when
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they go to bed will go lay in the crate even with the door open there was also no blood on the stairs or damage to them
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there are all these injuries that you say come from the fall down the stairs all over her body but she leaves no
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marks on the stairs but there's no marks anywhere in the house but there was that
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blood in Mary Catherine's bed room and the prosecution argued it was evidence that a fight occurred a forensic
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scientist testified that the stains on the nightstand and drapes were consistent with Scott Sill's
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DNA early did acknowledge that his client's blood was in the room but he told the jury about Scott's claim that
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he heard himself there on an earlier date from Scott replacing a screen yeah from getting cut on a nail that was in
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the back of the nightstand that was there that forensic scientist though testified that one of the stains on the
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wall was a mixture of DNA and Scott and Suzanne were likely contributors early says that doesn't mean it was suzan's
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blood and that it could have been her touch DNA that was picked up Susan had touched that area before at some point
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in time and she lived there but the prosecution pointed out that there were also clumps of suzan's hair found in
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Mary Katherine's room and there were blood stains on Suzanne's clothing that were found to be consistent with Scott
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Sill's DNA too early had a rebuttal to it all starting with the hair she has hair extensions and you know what hair
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extensions cause loss of hair and the blood on the clothes you don't know how old it
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is the jury was also shown pictures of those injuries that were observed on Scott remember how he told investigators
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that he hurt himself while working on his car with his son and how according to investigators Eric said that his
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father didn't get injured well when Eric took the stand his testimony allowed for
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the possibility what he testified is why didn't stay there the whole time he fixed the car does that seem like a
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discrepancy to you well it's not a discrepancy nobody's asking him that full story at at the age of 12 so he
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didn't necessarily say at age 12 dad didn't get the injury from the car no he basically said I wasn't there when he
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got the injury while Eric Sills did testify that a loud discussion between his parents had woken him up shortly
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before his mother's death the defense told the jury that there was nothing to it and those texts between Scott and
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Suzanne in the months before Suzanne's death if you have 40,000 texts and there's five of them with hard language
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in it that's a perfect marriage the jury didn't hear about the life insurance policy that email Scott
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sent to another woman or his his social media photos in the wake of his wife's death but they were told about the
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patrick.net posts and the prosecution argued that topless photo that Suzanne posted on the site enraged Scott it
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wasn't a big deal it's not striking to you that he had this photo in two places on his phone and then on the printer no
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first of all I don't know really who printed this stuff up early maintains there is no motive for murder there was
00:34:55
never any physical violence they're working in and marriage relationship everybody looked at his
00:35:02
loving Scott Sills chose not to take the stand the trial spanned 3 weeks and then
00:35:08
the case went to the jury my heart was just [Music] pounding what do you make of the defense
00:35:17
that the dogs may have played a role in her death chat now with the 48 Hours team on Facebook and X
00:35:33
jurors Aaron Ellis Jack Van Camp and Susan bleo say that when deliberations began they felt the pressure it's just
00:35:43
so intimidating that you got someone's life on the line it weighs on you oh yeah and the ripple effect the kids and
00:35:51
know yeah did you think about that that these kids didn't only lose their mom mom that if you convict him now they're
00:35:59
losing their dad of course yeah they say they also felt a clear motive was lacking I mean it's hard to imagine why
00:36:08
something like this somebody would do that yeah after about 3 hours they came to a
00:36:18
decision the Jes have indicated that they breached a verdict in this matter the clerk read the
00:36:26
verdict we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant Eric Scott Sills not guilty of the crime of
00:36:34
first-degree murder we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant Eric Scott
00:36:40
Sills guilty of the crime of second degree murder guilty of second deegree murder Scott Sills who gave the gift of
00:36:50
life to so many through his IVF practice now convicted of taking the life of his
00:36:55
wife the mother of his kids I just felt sad I mean I was tearing up on the way out this whole family had
00:37:04
been through so much you know now this is the next phase of it but he did that the jurors we spoke to say that no
00:37:15
one on the jury bought the defense's theory about the dogs the dogs would have to choke her on the stairs and my
00:37:24
dog was as big as hers and my dog canot get a grip on wooden stairs with their nails to do anything they just slide the
00:37:35
scarf had no puncture wounds either I would have expected holes and the fall down the stairs wouldn't create that
00:37:43
scenario in her [Music] body instead what they spent the most time grappling with was whether Scott
00:37:52
Sills was guilty of first deegree or second degree murder first deegree murder requires premeditation and
00:38:00
deliberation I just didn't think he planned it I don't and if he had planned it or done any kind of forethought it
00:38:08
wouldn't be a hot mess crime scene that it was it was kind of like a snap but investigator Dave Holloway says
00:38:17
while Scott Sills may not have planned his crime he certainly had the time to think about what he was doing he had
00:38:24
plenty of time from when he applied pressure to suzan's neck till she died to stop what he was doing he still did
00:38:30
it I was a little disappointed that it was a second degree on March 15th 2024 about 3 months
00:38:39
after the verdict court reconvened for sentencing Suzanne s's Mother Teresa newbower addressed the court and kept
00:38:47
the focus on her daughter she was a dynamic person she had hopes and dreams hopes and dreams newbower said
00:38:58
that one day Suzanne would see her daughter Mary Katherine walk down the stairs of the family's San Clemente home
00:39:05
on her wedding day it was a very painful uh thing for me to learn of the role the staircase
00:39:16
eventually played in real life Mary Katherine also addressed the court and spoke of all the loss she had
00:39:26
endured at such a young age she and her brother were taken in by a family friend
00:39:31
after their father's arrest and that family friend died suddenly of a health condition around the end of the trial
00:39:38
she asked the judge to show her father Mercy I want my father to walk me down the aisle at my wedding someday when I
00:39:45
have a family and children I want my father to be there to hold my baby I have been left orphaned and I feel so
00:39:52
lost without my parents we're here for s on the matter judge Patrick Donahue sentenced Scott
00:40:00
Sills to the mandatory sentence under California law 15 years to life in prison all good luck
00:40:07
sir his fate was decided but for so many questions remain exactly what led up to
00:40:15
Suzanne Sill's death do you think we'll ever know exactly how it happened I don't think so yeah Scott Sills declined
00:40:23
our requests for an interview but in the end no explanation will suffice or ease
00:40:29
the profound sense of loss that lingers patients now without their doctor thousands of women felt him to be
00:40:37
a saint from the saint all the way down to the devil that's how it ended up being and children without their father
00:40:50
or their mother her kids were so important to her and everything she did revolved around
00:40:56
her her children she was an incredible human being you know I miss [Music] her need more time with 48 Hours go deep
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podcasts hello and welcome to postmortem I'm your host San marie green and today
00:41:58
we're talking about the case of Suzanne Sills who was found dead at the bottom of a staircase in her Orange County
00:42:04
California home now her husband a renowned fertility doctor claims that she fell and her death was an accident
00:42:12
but later he's charged with her murder so joining me now to discuss the final episode of this season are 48 Hours
00:42:19
correspondent Tracy Smith and producer guyan kashishian Mendes Tracy guyan thanks so much for joining us thanks for
00:42:26
having us thank you all right everyone before we dive in a quick reminder for our listeners to go first and watch or
00:42:33
listen to this episode of the title is the puzzling death of Suzanne Sills uh you can find the full audio just below
00:42:40
this episode in your podcast feed so go listen if you haven't already and then come join us for our conversation all
00:42:47
right here we go so there's something really unusual about this case it's that suzan's husband is a doctor and you
00:42:56
would imagine uh that if you're going to have an accident at home and and fall down your
00:43:00
stairs this is the best case scenario the doctor is already there so we heard some portions of the 911 call that he
00:43:08
made on that morning Sunday November 13th 2016 we want to play some of it because there are a few points that
00:43:15
really jumped out at me right away okay and what's happened we got a patient here who's falling upstairs and I don't
00:43:22
have a pulse and she's cold and I don't know what time this happened oh okay so is so she's not
00:43:31
breathing no she's not breathing she's not breathing okay sir I've got help being sent while we're talking is there
00:43:37
anybody else there with you oh yes our whole family's here okay get her let's get her down on a hard flat surface on
00:43:43
her back okay we're going to give you instructions while paramedics are put you on speaker phone hang on a minute
00:43:50
okay can you hear me okay I can still hear you sir so you found her down at the bottom of the stairs yeah partially
00:43:57
on the stairs okay looks like her shoe come off or something so you want me to put her on her back right on her back
00:44:03
flat on her back why is he acting like he doesn't know CPR he's a doctor that's a really good point um and it's
00:44:10
something that was debated at the trial the 911 call was actually played several
00:44:17
times both by the prosecution and the defense and when the prosecution played it she really dissected Ed it from the
00:44:28
perspective of look at all these things that sound different than what you would
00:44:32
expect a person who's just found his wife dead and trying to save her life would do she argues that he's putting
00:44:40
off giving her CPR that he actually waits for the 911 operator to give him instructions on doing
00:44:48
CPR and he's kind of fiddling around trying to find something called a pulse oximeter which measures if you're
00:44:57
breathing if you have a heartbeat and so he waits about five minutes before he actually starts
00:45:04
administering the CPR and you know I think we all know that it's key to start doing CPR right away the prosecution
00:45:12
said that this 911 call is really just a setup for him to tell his story for the
00:45:18
first time and he knows that she's dead there's nothing he can do so he's just sort of biting his time and going
00:45:26
through the motions but then he also calls her the patient so Jack early the defense attorney for Dr Sills says yes
00:45:34
he calls her the patient but he's in doctor mode so he is maybe detaching himself a little bit but that's because
00:45:42
he's gone into doctor mode now he's getting the pul Sox because the 911 operator asked if she was alive so he's
00:45:50
that's his thought is I can get the pul Sox to find out if she's alive this is what Jack early is telling us um he also
00:45:57
was saying he's not doing CPR every day in his IVF practice so of course he's maybe a little rusty on CPR and he also
00:46:05
argues that Mary Katherine the daughter is sitting there would Mary Katherine be
00:46:09
in on this conspiracy this is what Jack early's asking me that she would see her
00:46:15
father not doing CPR and not say something okay those are all really really interesting points that I had not
00:46:22
considered so a year after Suzanne's death the coroner's office f finally cited her cause of death as ligature
00:46:29
strangulation and the manner a homicide out of curiosity why did it take a year to come to a conclusion or is that a
00:46:36
standard length of time it's something that um that was brought up at trial and something that Jack early the defense
00:46:44
attorney kind of went after the fact that it took a year to get this ruling for the cause of death and made the case
00:46:53
that the forensic pathologist was essentially on the prosecutions team you know working with the investigators
00:47:00
rather than being sort of an objective scientific mind looking at the cases and when the forensic pathologist who did
00:47:07
the autopsy was on the stand the defense attorney tried to say that she kind of arbitrarily picked the cause of death
00:47:15
and waited until there was more from the investigation so that she could figure out which one fit best and and and chose
00:47:26
that conclusion so but the investigators say look she she just wanted to be careful she wanted
00:47:32
to look at all the fact and the forensic pathologist does look at evidence in the
00:47:38
case they're not looking at just the body so in this case she saw early on that there was a C3 fracture and the
00:47:45
ligature Mark and she indicated all of the injuries um you know on a diagram right away but she didn't draw her
00:47:53
conclusions until she actually saw some crime scene photos and found out about the blood in the room a trial in
00:48:02
November of 2023 the defense made the argument that the ligature marks could have been made by Sill's two dogs
00:48:10
pulling at the scarf around suzan's neck after she'd already fallen down the stairs how did that argument stand up at
00:48:19
trial I know they showed pictures of the dogs playing tug-of warar I don't know if you guys are pet people I think
00:48:26
anyone who has had a dog knows they play tug-of warar but I don't know with the with your scarf around your
00:48:34
neck yeah I mean it's an interesting point Amar the forensic pathologist testified at trial that the ligature
00:48:40
Mark required a sustained even pull on both sides and the jurors discussed this when they went into deliberations the
00:48:48
dogs would have had to be pulling evenly at the same time and the other thing that the jurors brought up is that if
00:48:56
she was on the wooden staircase how could the dogs with their nails even get a grip to be able to pull on the scarf
00:49:04
uh so yeah it would have to be a very coordinated effort by the dogs according to how the jurors looked at this yeah
00:49:10
there was also the fact that you know there was no damage on the stairs from Suzanne falling you would think that
00:49:16
there would be some scuffs something how did the defense explain that he didn't necessarily try to explain it uh I think
00:49:26
and he was more trying to poke holes in the prosecutions theory and he countered
00:49:31
it with well you don't see marks anywhere else in the house you know like the prosecution's arguing there's this
00:49:38
big fight to the death in the bedroom and that he placed her at the bottom of the stairs but he's saying if that's
00:49:46
true where's the evidence of that why isn't there more blood why isn't there blood all over the floor damage to the
00:49:54
furniture you know he's saying there are no marks anywhere if you're going to make the argument that there are no
00:49:59
marks on the stairs so that was more his strategy was to kind of uh give you the
00:50:05
argument for the reverse and then you know Tracy when you spoke to Jack early he sort of gave a little more insight
00:50:11
into what he thought happened he kind of had two theories but and let me just explain this it it was tough to get the
00:50:18
full story out of Jack early because he says he can't tell it because it's Dr Sills story Dr Sills didn't testify so
00:50:27
he basically said we didn't get the whole story at trial there's more to tell and Scott Sills has to tell it now
00:50:34
having said that what he said to us was maybe she was killed by the C3 fracture so the fracture to her neck which would
00:50:44
have happened from a fall down the stairs or maybe she was incapacitated enough from this C3 fracture that then
00:50:51
she's at the bottom of the stairs and the dogs pull on the scarf enough to leave the mark not necessarily to kill
00:50:58
her he also theorized that maybe it was one dog because the scarf was tied around her neck and then you wouldn't
00:51:04
have to have the coordination of the two dogs then you just have the one dog pulling on the tide scarf and it could
00:51:10
have made that even mark this was his theory did they present any of that at trial I mean yes he did he even went so
00:51:18
far as to test the scarf for dog DNA and it came back positive with dog DNA cat DNA and pig DNA um which they explained
00:51:27
as uh the the dogs were eating pig ears as snacks and so that would leave Pig DNA on the scarf but yeah I mean he he
00:51:34
went with the dog theory yes so he was sort of asking the jury to disregard the coroner's report and to find a different
00:51:43
cause of death yes he poked holes in exactly in the ruling that it was ligature strangulation that caused that
00:51:50
was the cause of death yes all right so let us talk about the motive because it seems like the prosecution really didn't
00:51:56
have a clear explanation for why Dr SS would want to murder his wife yeah that's true I mean they said that they
00:52:03
didn't need to prove motive but they they gave a lot of options right guyan yeah I mean some of this we went into in
00:52:11
our hour but there were some angry texts that Suzanne had sent within three months of her death uh you know there
00:52:20
were finances that were that were kind of tight because they had started this business and so they had to put kind of
00:52:27
everything into it while it got off the ground and another issue that we heard not only in trial but also from one of
00:52:34
the friends of Suzanne that we interviewed was that Suzanne felt really disrespected by Scott's older children
00:52:43
at times his son and she was upset that you know her husband really didn't stick
00:52:50
up for her so that was something that the prosecutor also mentioned at trial that in these text messages was one of
00:52:57
the things that she was she was mad at him about I think the texts are really interesting because you know in talking
00:53:04
to Jack early he basically said if you pull out these things that we pulled out like I just want out and you're killing
00:53:10
me yes they sound very damning but these are all related to work this couple worked together that it's that working
00:53:17
relationship that caused all of the tension and you shouldn't read so much into it you know what I work with my
00:53:24
spouse I kind of get that argument it can get tense and it doesn't mean it's not a reflection on the whole
00:53:30
marriage it's just in that working situation and then of course there are those patrick.net posts and the photo
00:53:36
that was posted of Suzanne topless let us talk about this because I found the whole thing just really odd but let's
00:53:45
just start with because I never heard of patrick.net can you just sort of explain
00:53:49
what patrick.net is so it's basically this political chat room that's frequented by conser
00:53:56
conservatives uh kind of like Twitter or Reddit but they say much more freedom of
00:54:01
speech than either Twitter or Reddit Patrick actually testified Patrick from patrick.net
00:54:09
yes he was a witness and he said that there were about 13,000 members a few hundred of them were active so kind of a
00:54:17
small online community but suzan seemed pretty active and they were really friendly
00:54:24
exchanges she she seemed to feel really comfortable talking about her political views she even shared some personal
00:54:33
photos of herself her family her pets it it was kind of like her little space and
00:54:38
she seemed comfortable expressing herself is this something that she argued with her husband about her
00:54:45
participation on this site when Patrick testified he said that someone claiming to be Dr SS emailed him after Suzanne's
00:54:56
death he was being asked to remove Suzanne's information off of patrick.net and he said that that made him really
00:55:05
uncomfortable and he felt like it would be destroying evidence he said he left everything as is pertaining to Suzanne
00:55:14
and when Dr SS was arrested somebody one of the users actually posted something like you know why do I have a feeling
00:55:22
this is going to end up on 48 Hours mystery on CBS so yeah it was very interesting okay let's talk about that
00:55:30
patrick.net post that Suzanne made this photo this topless photo one of her friends that we interviewed Chris
00:55:38
solamini he said that you know she wasn't like an overly flirtatious person that wasn't the purpose uh with which
00:55:45
she would do this uh but he said she was somebody who would stick to her word so
00:55:50
if she made that promise she was not going to back down so in the photo though you notice both of Suzanne's
00:55:57
hands are partially visible it might have been taken using it self timer but do we have any idea who actually took
00:56:04
this photo well the the defense argued at one point that it was Mary Katherine who took the photo right and I'm not
00:56:11
sure how that helps them in saying that maybe that it was like a family activity
00:56:16
and so he wouldn't have been angry about this like I'm I'm just guessing like I'm
00:56:20
not sure where they were going with that but but Jack early made it very clear to
00:56:24
us that he did not think Scott was angered by this photo and by the chat the question is if it didn't bother him
00:56:31
so much then why did he have a screenshot of the patrick.net chat on his phone and then a print out of that
00:56:38
on his printer welcome back so another possible motive that investigators explored was a
00:56:55
one-time Rel relationship sils had with a woman named Marie Dalton now she was a
00:57:01
former nurse that he met online while he was still married to Suzanne I want to play a clip that we didn't get to put in
00:57:08
the hour of Marie's conversation with police after Suzanne died so did he mention like he was stuck in his you
00:57:15
know Loveless marriage and you know he was kind of kind of miserable he wasn't miserable but he would say that they um
00:57:25
oh he slept in a office a few times we text uh it seems like we had a big affair right and we met nothing I
00:57:32
promise you nothing like that we met once for like an hour one time one time this was all done email or text um and I
00:57:42
think I boosted the guy's ego that's that's what happened I think I came in and you know here he's been married what
00:57:47
10 12 years and uh and she was very beautiful you know very nice he said she was a good mother but um yeah he I think
00:57:55
he is miserable I I felt that and because when I would say something nice he would just like Feed me more you know
00:58:02
he's like a machine I don't know but you had to feed compliments too I mean it almost sounds a little
00:58:10
like she feels kind of sorry for him like she's just not that into him but he is in need of this ego boo yeah yeah I
00:58:19
also it how she starts out saying he wasn't miserable oh yeah I guess he was pretty miserable it's interesting how
00:58:25
she makes that turn she she kind of makes him sound like a little bit of a narcissist you know although later in
00:58:32
the interview I think she also admits to leading him on a little bit because she's got a thing for doctors two weeks
00:58:38
after Suzanne died Dr sils sent Marie a letter and I just want to read you a portion of that because it kind of
00:58:44
illuminates this a little more by the way he addresses her as Maser Marie whoever I find out there and I pray it
00:58:52
really is you I am confident she will be an exceptionally bright and vivacious woman and I will be envied by all other
00:58:59
men because I will have her but you need to understand that in my heart at the end of the day that relationship will
00:59:05
always be judged against your glow I'm not just saying this to jack up your ego for me you really have set an incredibly
00:59:12
high standard and you probably weren't even trying so I want the original and then capital letters you yeah he's he's
00:59:20
a he's a wee bit Rusty I guess in the wooing department but it almost sounds like something that was like written by
00:59:26
chat gbt there's something I don't know how to explain it like somewhat sort of oddly mechanical about it mhm that's an
00:59:34
interesting point he is a scientist once she heard about the arrest um Marie told
00:59:39
investigators she felt guilty and she thought that that he might have killed his wife basically to be with her but
00:59:46
you know we did ask Jack early about this flat out did he want to get Suzanne out of the way and he said no and then
00:59:53
he actually went on to say off camera that Dr Sills really was just looking for a essentially a replacement for
01:00:00
Suzanne motherwise that he wanted someone to help with the kids basically to be a mom to the kids does the letter
01:00:06
include anything about I think you would make such a good mother he's very complimentary to Marie and he actually
01:00:13
kind of numerically lists the things that he finds so intriguing about her and I don't remember if her maternal
01:00:22
skills are one of them but he he definitely talks about how great she looks in a bikini and says you know you
01:00:29
would really help me with my practice you know we would take it to another level and he's kind of like offering her
01:00:37
the position of business manager that Suzanne held and throughout this letter which is which is quite long or email
01:00:45
rather he kind of reminds himself that oh but I've been through this tragedy uh but now that I've had a chance to grieve
01:00:53
and I'm ready to get out there again I really want you in my life and we don't have to sneak around now um just remind
01:01:01
everyone this letter comes two weeks after his wife dies um so the jury deliberates and the big question is not
01:01:07
only if they're going to find him guilty but if they will find him guilty of first degree or second degree murder so
01:01:16
first off can we kind of explain what the difference is sure basically first degree murder is premeditated and second
01:01:22
degree murder is not premeditated so second degree you didn't plan plan it first agree you did plan it now in this
01:01:27
case the prosecution argues that no he perhaps he didn't think about this days or weeks ahead of time but it was
01:01:35
premeditated they say in the fact that when he strangled her he did it for a long period of time and so the amount of
01:01:42
time that it takes to strangle someone to death and not just incapacitate them is long enough for him to say what am I
01:01:50
doing and stop the prosecutor and also the medical experts testified that it takes 30s
01:01:56
to render someone unconscious and then depending on how old you are you know your health it could take you know 3 to
01:02:04
five minutes to actually strangle someone to death and the prosecutor actually looked at her watch and said
01:02:11
let's all just wait for 30 seconds just to see how long 30 seconds feels like and so during that time that he was
01:02:20
strangling her he could have stopped that was where the premeditation came in mhm after about 3 hours the jury came
01:02:29
back with a verdict and they find him not guilty of first-degree murder but guilty of second deegree murder were you
01:02:36
surprised by this decision you know it's interesting because we talked with the jurors quite a bit about motive and they
01:02:43
said that they they wanted to know the why but they also said that they didn't need the why to know that he did it and
01:02:53
they told us that they spent a lot of time going first degree second degree first degree second degree and the
01:02:58
reason that they couldn't do first degree is just that they felt like he snapped and that it was not something
01:03:04
that he planned out a split 30 second decision to you know the prosecution's argument the sentencing is about three
01:03:13
months after the verdict and we hear from a couple of members of Suzanne's family including her daughter Mary
01:03:20
Katherine who still believes in her father's innocence and you know this murder would have had to be occurring
01:03:27
while both of his children are just upstairs sleeping right it takes a certain type of person to do that Mary
01:03:34
Katherine does not believe that her father is that type of person here's some of what she had to say I want my
01:03:39
father to walk me down the aisle at my wedding someday when I have a family and children I want my father to be there to
01:03:46
hold my baby I have been left orphaned and I feel so lost without my parents my heart was breaking for her what I heard
01:03:55
was a young young woman just trying to hang on to anything a wisp of the life she had before this nightmare began and
01:04:05
if it's just a little bit of her father then she wants it yeah it's it's really unfathomable what she and her brother
01:04:13
Eric have been through um you know from the age of 12 losing their mom they've sort of lost their dad now even though
01:04:20
he's alive but he's not going to be around really and Mary Katherine's father foster mom passed away shortly
01:04:28
before the sentencing um and she apparently is the one who found her so just so much tragedy and it's just
01:04:38
heartbreaking yeah clearly we know where Mary Katherine stands on this but what about her brother her twin brother do we
01:04:44
know anything about you know how he feels about his dad and how he feels about what happened so he's out of state
01:04:50
whereas Mary Katherine still lives in Southern California but both Mary Catherine and Eric were called to
01:04:58
testify at the trial by the prosecution he would say things like I don't really remember but then he would be presented
01:05:05
with a statement that he made when he was 12 and when asked he would say yes you know that that was truthful so um
01:05:12
you know they're very much in their dad's Corner um Dr Sills received the mandatory sentence under California law
01:05:21
for second degree murder which is 15 years to life would his sent sence be different if it had been a first-degree
01:05:29
murder guilty bur yes that sentences 25 years to life in California and he's eligible for parole as we mentioned at
01:05:37
the end of the hour in 2033 which kind of seems like it's just around the corner yeah it's true 15
01:05:44
years doesn't seem like much um Suzanne's Mother Teresa also gave a statement at sentencing about the loss
01:05:51
of her daughter what was it like to listen to her talk about the kind kind of person her daughter was so I was at
01:05:58
the sentencing and they were sitting on separate sides of the courtroom where the grandmother Teresa and uh Suzanne's
01:06:06
stepbrother were on one side you know kind of on the prosecution side and then Mary Catherine and her other friends and
01:06:14
family were on the defense side of the aisle Teresa was very careful not to say anything really negative about Dr Sills
01:06:23
she really focused on her daughter Suzanne and this amazing woman that she was and the hopes that she had to see
01:06:31
her daughter grow up and get married and and all these wonderful things and then
01:06:36
once the sentencing was over Mary Katherine came over and talked to her grandmother and they remised a little
01:06:42
bit that was nice to see because we did know that that was something that was really important for Suzanne's mom was
01:06:49
to maintain the relationship at least with her grandchildren and she made a really poignant remark during her
01:06:56
statement oh yeah we mentioned this in the hour the staircase that you know here is this staircase that Suzanne
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dreamed of seeing Mary Katherine walk down on her wedding day and I think as moms we all think about that like I
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think about the staircase in my home and watching my daughter walked down for prom and that just was so poignant that
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of course the staircase ended up playing an entirely different role try guyan this has been fantastic the final 48
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hours for the season thank you thanks s maray all right and thank you to our listeners for tuning in to this season
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of postmortem we have one more special episode coming up next week and then we'll be back for new season of 48 hours
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in September but keep your eye on the 48 Hours podcast feed this summer for more
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classic 48 Hours episodes and perhaps a few more surprises if you like this series postmortem please rate and review
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