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[Music] only 12 men alive today have made the life and death decisions that come with
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running the world's most powerful intelligence agency why did you want to get involved
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with the Spy Masters getting all of the living uh 12 people from the CIA to discuss endless variety of matters and
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hear differences of opinions and see where that went uh was very intriguing to me somebody has to stand up and be
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willing to say this is not what our country is about I did not expect that um they would share too much I don't
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believe these directors are talking about this stuff I'm not talking about because they're pros at the at keeping
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everything inside their pockets I I can't talk about signature strikes if they are even taken I don't know what
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they are but my belief is that there's a lot in between the words to learn from watching people and listening to how
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they listen or how they don't listen I'm touched by the patriotism of Brennan who I met who I went into his
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office I'm forced to make decisions every day why did he bring me in his office what did he want me to see why
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would he bring you in his office why would he allow his cameras in his office and I believe he wants you to see his
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Humanity I wish the world were simpler I wish we didn't have these complex challenges that we Face where there is
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not a right and wrong answer where it's not black and white I think that's the singular most important thing to him and
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going to church as Leon Panetta allows you to do with him that's a private business I was raised a Catholic I
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believe in my faith and uh I Rely a great deal on my faith you know throughout my life I've always carried a
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rosary and always set a hell hell of a lot of Hail Marys and so I think he's trying to show
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you that he is a religious human being too that it's a complicated matter and suddenly you know I I found that I was
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making decisions on life and death uh as director and you as a documentarian are
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trying to put the mirror right in Nature's face and so as the audience we have the freedom to look at their face
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let me bear my soul just a little bit more and listen to them and listen to the questions you ask and how they
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respond you know for them to have the willingness to go in front of your cameras in a highly secretive system
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it's interesting to me why why they want to do that so to watch Spy Masters and see the possibility of turmoil and
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question it was sort of the the last straw and and and and the Yiddish word suas inside their souls for what they're
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asked to do shows that they're troubled by it killing people people no matter how bad they are it's not not something
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that should ever rest easily in anybody's Soul or in anybody's brain they're not comfortable by it and those
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that are comfortable would they please leave the room in my opinion and those that question it are in great turmoil
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those are the ones that I want to remain at the table do we protect our people or
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do we not protect them because these presidents come and go and because the world is in such
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turmoil I think they want their story told