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we were very very concerned about this interview with this guy that we were gonna be sitting here talking to a
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sociopath who believed he had done nothing wrong the first thing you're not under arrest
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at that point what was important was to allow him allow him to establish his narrative I didn't want to walk in there
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predisposed to what I thought I wanted him to lead me down the road of where he is want to go back to the time when you
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first met Michelle we met at work I think you know when Phil let's him tell his narrative he's finding out about the
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mindset of Mark he's listening to certain things about Mark's life minor things even about his diabetes and all
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that's going to play out and be very important but at some point in time you have to confront him about something
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let's get to last Saturday the 22nd okay what's your walks out slams the door to
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a room and about 10 15 minutes later I open the door to say well you know what and Scott the key is what are two things
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people hate to be called a liar and a thief right so you don't want to say hey you're lying to me you stole her life
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you know you you you I think you murdered this woman so you got to be careful on the words that you use you've
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laid the groundwork for what happened in that apartment and I'm on board with you
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and so Phil's transition into the actual point where he's going to confront mark
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I thought was outstanding I need you to explain to me what happened well remember the interview
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room I mean you we're looking at everything all the components of the interview we're looking at body language
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we're listening to what they're saying we're listening to the way they are saying it because that's going to allow
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us to frame where we're gonna go and as you're watching him you're altering what
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you're going to say next I'm putting it together yes we've been doing this time and the art of the interview I mean
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there just comes that point where you know now is the moment I want you to explain to me what you felt like you had
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to do to protect Katie you brought up Katie yes what was the strategy in that well obviously Kayden was the most
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important part of his life in his narrative this was pretty much all about protecting Kayden
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so I knew that I was going to have to frame whatever he did in that apartment in that context wasn't about hurting
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Michelle this was about protecting Kayden if you continue to keep it it will Fester phil was masterful and
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telling a complex story about how something so terrible could go so wrong and broke it down very simply for mark
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and he was able to use visuals something that mark could focus in on it'll eat away at you like that diabetes is either
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way in your foot it was a fantastic visual for him to completely understand and make that connection and that's what
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it's about Phil and I often talk about it's making that connection with the person in the
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room