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foreign [Music] [Applause] welcome to another special episode of 48 hours I'm Jonathan Vigliotti you just
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heard the voice of Kobe Ryan Lori Valerie Belle's only living child and brother to JJ and Tyler
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Lori's trial for the murders of her two youngest children Joshua J.J valo and Tyler Ryan is currently in its third
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week She's accused along with her husband Chad dabell of JJ and Tyler's murders as well as Chad's late Wife
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Tammy dabell they've both pleaded not guilty Chad dabell's trial will be happening at a later date for two weeks
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we've covered opening statements and the prosecution's first set of witnesses again our team is reviewing the audio
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from the proceedings and sharing highlights of the prosecution's Witnesses in this third special episode
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today producer Richie Fetzer is back he's been working with 48 hours for almost a decade and has been covering
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this case from the start a lot happened last week despite there being no court Monday or Friday 17 Witnesses took the
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stand so yes there are 17 Witnesses by far the most heart-wrenching testimony this past week came from 27 year old
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Colby Ryan he's Lori's only living child and the brother of JJ and Tyler and it was reported that Colby avoided looking
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at his mother Lori while he was in the courtroom and it was also reported that when he first walked in Lori mouthed the
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words oh my baby hmm and Colby's testimony was emotional especially when he was asked to identify the photo of
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his sister he was also asked to identify JJ let's listen to a clip do you recognize that person
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yes who is that oh that's my sister Tyler Brian okay what was your specific relation with
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Tyler Ryan she was my half-sister okay Mr Ryan I'm gonna show you what's been marked previously and admitted it states
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exhibit four do you know that person yes who was that my little brother JJ fellow and
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prosecutors presented what we've never heard before a phone call between Kobe and his mother after the remains of JJ
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and Tyler were found on her husband to adiebel's property Lori had already been arrested on child abandonment charges
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and was in jail this is the first time this call has been played and we will say this audio it's a little bit hard to
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hear a reminder this is a jail cell recording being played back in the courtroom
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you think you can hunt for me siblings Colby says quote you murdered my siblings those are strong accusations he
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goes on to say I thought I could trust you I thought that you were a completely different person
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I don't know I don't know a murderous mother to make judgments when you weren't there and you don't know what
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happened and Colby does not seem to be holding back I trusted every chance limitations as a human being
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I pushed half all of everything to try to get to you help my own money Glide to me
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specifically to me more times than I can count so no they've been gone and you knew
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and my phone's being texted by my little sister who's not even alive my little brother who's the sweetest
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little kid ever hmm Colby then asks Lori if Jesus Christ is on her side after everything that you try to tell me
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you can tell me right now that Jesus Christ the savior of the world is on your side
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you tell me that with all the condition in your heart that Jesus Christ is on your side right now please
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I can't tell you that Lori replies after a little pause I can tell you that you might also have heard
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some sniffling in this recording and that's actually Kobe crying on the stand while listening to this audio played
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back in the courtroom yeah that's right something that really stands out to me in this audio is how
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Lori responds to Colby during this conversation and at one point it even sounds like she's laughing
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and one day is this funny this is funny this is funny you're laughing like this is funny well it's just
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incredible to hear after this Lori tells Colby no one knows what happens except her JJ and Tyler the police weren't
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there you're right they know they know exactly what happened and they love me and we are
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still together forever they love me and they are fine and they do know the truth
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and I know the truth and emerging all the people that do so you can judge me Colby all day long go ahead and suggest
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me the whole world listen to me after this Lori goes on to tell Kobe how she's always been there
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for her children I'm the one that was there doing everything with JJ every day I was the one who did it all these years
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you did it all to throw it in a garbage they're not you don't know what happened
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no matter what happens if they're buried in your new husband's backyard tell me that matters what happened you you tell
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me that you did this in Jesus name mom what's clear from this jail cell recording Colby is not only angry and
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his mind it seems he knows what happened accusing his mother of murder yeah I don't think there's a question
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after hearing this and even through his anger Colby goes on to say he's praying for his mother and I pray that you see
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him and fall into his grace I pray every day I pray no matter how mad I am at you no matter how bad I want
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to hit your husband in the face with a shovel I pray for you I pray for him you rip my heart out and you've ripped
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out everyone in the standings heart out when I listen to those recordings from that jail cell I mean it's what sticks
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with me is that anger yeah it's anger and you also just hear you're hearing from
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somebody that feels like they've been deceived by their own mother that's that's something that's hard to listen
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to and listening to Colby talk to her I don't think there's any question in his mind at least that she's responsible for
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what happened to JJ and Tyler during cross-examination Lori's attorney asked Kobe if he ever heard Lori talk about
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the alleged extreme religious beliefs raised by prosecution witnesses the previous week remember in our last
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podcast we heard from a couple Witnesses about how they say Lori talked about how
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evil spirits could inhabit people's bodies making them zombies and how she and Chad had this ability to rape people
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as light and dark did she teach you about zombies no did she teach you about casting out evil
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spirits no did she teach you about light and dark scales no so Kobe is saying he wasn't
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taught any of this but he has gone on the record saying that he did notice a shift in his mother's Behavior around
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the time that she met Chad dabel thank you we're going to take a quick break when
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we get back more testimony from the Lori Valor DeBell trial [Music] we're back there was a lot of talk about
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finances bank accounts Social Security payments and that one million dollar life insurance policy for her previous
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husband Charles Ballo yes so that was a big part of this past week's testimony the prosecution seemed to really be
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highlighting the money part of the money power and sex line that they said in their opening statements prosecutors
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seem to be suggesting that she had her brother Alex Cox kill her then husband Charles vallo to collect that life
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insurance policy one detective who testified said that money is often a motive at homicides this detective also
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looked into that one million dollar life insurance policy that belonged to Charles valo we heard about that policy
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last week did someone attempt to make a claim yeah when I contacted the insurance company
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on Earth hearsay of a real you can continue to answer thank you sir on July 17th I believe it's a honor
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around July 17th um I contacted the insurance company and and Lori had tried to file a claim on that million dollar
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policy now Richie dozens of documents were entered into evidence last week what else did prosecutors point to
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so while Tyler and JJ were missing prosecutors say Lori's new husband Chad Davis sent an email to a realtor in
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Hawaii this was just days after he and Lori were married on that same island and Rexburg police detective Chuck
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considus read that email in court Mr Davao writes we are interested in seeing this property would the others be
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interested in would the owners be interested in leasing this property to a clean couple with no pets or children
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please let us know thank you what is the date on that document that email is November 8th of 2019 three
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days after they were married okay um what was the significance of that to you and your investigation
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well they're looking for a residence and telling them that they don't have any children no children and obviously now
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what we know makes that all the more chilling yeah absolutely I mean the children
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hadn't been seen for two months now and Chad's saying that is just really incredible to hear
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yeah in November before the police conducted the welfare check on JJ and before the children had been reporting
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missing by anyone quote unquote No Children prosecutors they say Chad wrote something else that to prosecutors seems
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to have major implications and I remember learning about this as we covered this for the first episode that
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we did almost three years ago it's a text that he sent to his then Wife Tammy it was sent just one day after Tyler
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Ryan was last seen alive at Yellowstone National Park here's an FBI analyst reading it from the stand
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well I've had an interesting morning I felt I should burn all the limb debris by the fire pit before it got too soaked
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by the coming storms while I did so I spotted a big raccoon along the fence I hurried and got my gun and he was still
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walking along I got close enough that one shot did the trick he is now in our pet cemetery fun times one shot did the
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trick fun times those words are seared in my brain from that first episode we did to prosecutors this seems pretty
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damn it doesn't it I mean he's giving an explanation to his wife for a fire as well as a new Grave in their pet
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cemetery and then we just learned this past Monday that prosecutors introduced evidence about Chad daybell's search
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history which featured a search for what direction the wind would be blowing in that same day and it's important to
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remember how badly Tyler's remains were burned as well as the fact that she was found months later in what prosecutors
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call the day Bells backyard pet cemetery and prosecutors also spent a lot of time
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pointing out lies they allege lorries told about JJ and Tyler's whereabouts prosecutors bring in witness as a
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babysitter and school administrators what's the prosecution doing by bringing in these Witnesses
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so it seems that the prosecution is trying to pinpoint stories that Lori was telling people and investigators believe
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that Lori told blatant lies about where JJ and Tyler were because at this time the detectives believed that JJ and
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Tyler had already been murdered and were buried in Lori's new husband Chad dabell's backyard
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what did she say so according to prosecution witnesses Lori told many people that Tyler was attending Brigham
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Young University in Idaho which is in Rexburg prosecutors called the school's dean of students to testify he says that
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Tyler never applied to BYU Idaho and had never been a student there and then as for JJ Lori enrolled JJ in school but
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removed him about three weeks later and she told School administrators that JJ would be homeschooled with his
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grandparents in Louisiana that he'd be staying with them and we know that that probably wasn't true because you'll
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remember that K Woodcock JJ's grandmother is the one who initiated the investigation into the children's
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whereabouts when she asked for a welfare check for JJ and investigators say Lori didn't just
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lie to school administrators she lied to them yeah yeah true the police body camera video from that
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welfare check for JJ where Lori responds to Rexburg police detectives the officer
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remarks that Lori described her husband Chad dabell who she'd recently married as her brother's friend
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when we addressed um Chad day Bell she referred to Chad as her brother's friend however at this time number one I had
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seen the two of them affectionate together in the parking lot of Hobby Lobby number two at this time we also knew
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that they had previously been married also in this body cam footage Lori tells officers that her friend Melanie Gibb
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had JJ in Arizona and took them to see the movie Frozen now remember Melanie would later tell police that wasn't true
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and Melanie actually secretly recorded a phone call with Chad and Lori where she
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confronts them about JJ's whereabouts she later handed that recording over to police detective Stubbs the police
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officer wearing the body cam footage he sums up all of these alleged lies pretty
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clearly here did you find any of those statements um did were they by and large accurate
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or they by and large inaccurate by and large inaccurate so you've got police officers Friends School
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administrators the list of people Lori is accused of lying to is very long I know we heard from one more person she
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allegedly lied to and that's April Raymond who is April Raymond so April Raymond is Lori's friend from Hawaii
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she attended church with Lori and their children would socialize with each other
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April testified to a visit that Lori made to April in Hawaii in early 2019 where Lori says to April that her
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husband Charles was having an affair and that she needed a place to stay now who was visiting with Lori valo when
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she was at your home at this time Tyler where was JJ JJ was with Charles was my understanding okay and
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um did the defendant say why she didn't bring JJ uh she said that she was done with JJ
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and that Charles and his sister Kay would need to figure it out Richie what does she mean by done with JJ
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so April testified that the context of that was that Lori and Charles were about to get a divorce and that she'd be
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no longer responsible for JJ but it definitely sounds very ominous considering that
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JJ was murdered and that wasn't the only moment April Raymond said she found strange how about when she brought up
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Ned that demon Laurie claimed was inhabiting Charles body who we heard about last week let's listen to this
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clip um so she had said that Charles was already dead and that there was a demon
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living inside him and kind of using his body as a host come and that the Demon's name was Ned
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Snyder follow up on that um did she give you any sort of evidence of this when I asked how do you know that it's
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not Charles she said because he's shorter a demon named Ned who is physically shorter Richie helped me make
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sense of this so I mean the name Ned Snyder always gets me it sounds like an accountant more than it sounds like a
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demon um but it seems to be at least from April's testimony that Lori is saying that Charles was physically shorter
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which is hard to understand it's important to remember that this conversation April's testifying to is
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just five months before Lori's brother Alex Cox shoots and kills Charles valo and then two months before Chad dabell's
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Wife Tammy dabell dies there's records that were collected by police that indicate an email address associated
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with Lori was used to look up and even purchase wedding rings and then on the day of Tammy's funeral that same account
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was used to search for a wedding dress in Kauai this was all revealed this past Monday as a part of exhibits that were
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introduced by the prosecution and then later on Monday prosecutors also brought FBI special agent Nick balance to the
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witness stand balance works with the bureau's cellular analysis survey team which Maps out cell phone usage from
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cell tower records Google location tracking data and more we can expect them to continue to testify into Tuesday
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what else Richie can we expect in this next week of trial so that's going to be the big question it the witness list
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obviously as I've mentioned previously has been sealed the the thing that I wonder is when and if and how the
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prosecution can lay the foundation of what actually happened to JJ and Tyler we've heard about how they were found
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but I wonder if we're going to hear about how they believe they might have been killed and the circumstances around
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it all right we'll leave it there for now [Music] our team at 48 hours will be reporting
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thank you so much for debriefing us again we'll check back with you soon great thank you again for having me
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Jonathan I'm looking forward to the next update on this trial foreign [Music] I was startled awake
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