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[Music] it is a case that has haunted the public for more than 13 years and many feared
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that the Gilgo Beach murders may never be solved the officer located a body it seem to be WRA in burlap which didn't
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make any sense the crime scene gets expanded I'm called and chief we found another set of remains they find another
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one and another one we were dealing with a serial killer they're available they're vulnerable and very petite this
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killer has a type right does he want the petite uh body because he wants to feel
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more empowered and More in control I want the world to know like my sister mattered I want answers
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you just want answers an arrest more than a decade in the making in a serial killer case
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that's baffled law enforcement and the public 59-year-old Rex hman pled not guilty I dropped my phone I couldn't
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believe it so just who is Rex hman an architect who ran a company called RH consultants and Associates Rex hello how
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you doing good to see you when a job that should have been routine sud becomes not routine yeah I get the phone
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call Rex hurman is a mystery man Rex is capable of presenting himself one way to
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one person one way to another person my first memory of Rex was that he was very
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big imposing scary angry he was bullied he was bigger than everyone else the kids would gang up on
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him and Rex was very smart too he's a smart person very smart he liked to shock people he was
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interested in power games Rex loved hunting and he loved guns going out shooting hunting that was
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his passion all petite all bound in burlap bags the burlap on the bodies that's points right at a a hunter it was
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DNA collected from a pizza slice he tossed in a Manhattan trash can that came back back as a match with hair
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found on the victims that's where we obtained you know his full profile from from the pizza crust left in the Box in
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terms of speaking to my client the only thing I can tell you that he did say uh as he was in tears was I didn't do this
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everyone's just trying to put the pieces together I want to know what I missed I
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think we all want to know what we [Music] missed [Music] [Music] not far from this quiet stretch of Gilgo
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Beach on Long Island New York investigators uncovered the hidden remains of four young
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women the mystery of who they were and how they got here might have stayed a secret if not for a woman named Shannon
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Gilbert [Music] in the early morning hours of May 1st 2010 23y old Shannon working as an
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escort call 911 State Police yeah there somebody asking [Music] me the call came from a neighborhood not
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far from Gilgo Beach these people are fting to kill me Shannon starts running knocking on doors
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where are you Shannon she screams and then nothing Shannon was gone hello [Applause]
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hello canine searched the area exhaustively for Shan and Gilbert Dominic Fon was chief of detectives at
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the suffet County Police Department months passed without a sign of the missing woman and then in December 2010
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near Gilgo Beach a police officer and his K9 named Blue found human remains everyone assumed it was Shannon
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Gilbert but it wasn't Shannon stunned Searchers would go on to discover the remains of four other women
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the women were identified as Moren brainer Barnes Melissa Barthel Megan Waterman and Amber Costello like Shannon
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all were in their 20s all were online escorts all petite three of the four were wrapped in burlap the kind you can
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find in hunting stores they became known as the Gilgo four it's really really hard cuz I miss
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her so much 48 Hours has reported on this case since 2010 over the years we've secured
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exclusive interviews with the family and friends of the Gilgo 4 Missy can will never forget the wintry day when she got
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the devastating news the detectives came to my house and just said that Moren has
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been positively identified as one of the victims on Ocean Parkway her sister maren brainer Barnes
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mother of two was the first to disappear on July 9th 2007 she was very smart and
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very creative she liked being a mom she loved being a mom but life as a single mom living in Norwich Connecticut was
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difficult Missy didn't know it but Moren had turned to escort work and that July
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went to New York City for a weekend to make [Applause] money on her way home she she called
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Missy from Penn Station in Midtown Manhattan attention please I could hear the commotions from the train station
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from the time that she called me it was poof she was gone she reported Moren missing
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eventually officers would tell Missy that after her sister's disappearance someone had used moren's cell phone to
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make a call from Long Island it wasn't known then but those those two locations Long Island and
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Midtown Manhattan would become important clues in the hunt for a serial killer nearly 2 years to the day that
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Meen vanished 24-year-old Melissa bartholomy went missing in July of 2009 also from Midtown Manhattan ly
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bartholomy is Melissa's mother how often do you think about Melissa every single
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minute of the day it just didn't happen to the girls I mean it destroyed all of our families Melissa moved from Buffalo
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to New York City to work as a hairdresser at some point she also began working as an escort and then
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disappeared about a week after she went missing Melissa's then 15-year-old sister Amanda started getting calls from
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Melissa's phone we agreed not to show Amanda's face she answers you know Melissa where have you
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been and this voice is saying oh this isn't Melissa Stephen Cohen was the family's lawyer at the time he was
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taunting Amanda and he said do you know what I did to your sister I killed Melissa all I can say is he's sick and
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he's going to make a mistake and we're going to catch him those calls from Melissa's own phone may very well have
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been that mistake when police Trace them the calls place the person they believe
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to be Melissa's killer in Midtown Manhattan the following year Megan Waterman the mother of a three-year-old
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girl disappeared from a hotel on Long Island part of you's like missing or it's just like something's
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always off we he spoke with Megan's daughter Liliana in 2020 I would do anything to bring her
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back but I can't and it just like frustrates me so bad Megan's family says the 22-year-old was a creative but
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troubled young woman who loved fashion and was devoted to her daughter what would you say to your mom if you could I
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would just want to tell her that like I love her I just want her to know like she has a special place in my heart no
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one can ever replace her like the other two women Megan disappeared in the summer on June 6th
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2010 she was working as an escort on Long Island no matter what her job was she was a
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person and she needs Justice this haunting video from a holiday in express is the last time she was seen alive
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moments before she went to meet a client cell phone records later placed her phone in a Long Island neighborhood
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called mipa Park Amber costell was the last of the Gilgo for to disappear she lived here
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just 7 and a half miles from masipa Park she used to say she was 411 but she wasn't she was like 49 you know I mean
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she was small Amber's friend and former roommate Dave Sher spoke with us in 2011 she was amazing person she really
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was he says Amber was addicted to drugs and used sex work to support her habit but as amazing as she was was as
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tormented as she was after Amber disappeared police say shaller told them about her clients he described one of
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them as looking like an ogre and having a first generation Chevrolet Avalanche on the night she went missing
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Cher says a client offered Amber $1,500 for the night six times her hourly rate this guy was so relentless he called
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several times he was on the phone with her for quite a while each time he says the client got Amber an experienced
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escort to do something she never did leave without her purse or cell phone and meet him in his car I walked out the
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front door with her she she gave me a hug she's like I love you and she left it was nearly midnight night Sher
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says that when Amber left this house she walked down the street and he never saw
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her again shaller told us that he didn't see the client's face that night but suspects he had seen him
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before so this is a guy you might have seen yeah this is somebody that I seen I might be the one of the only people who
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knows who he is it would be more than a decade before sher's description would lead to a break in the case
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and a prime suspect to see a timeline of how the case unfolded go to 48 hours.com the shocking developments in a
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murder case gotone cold my coworker called me and she said did you hear what happened to Rex and I'm like no a
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husband a father an architect stood before a judge charged as a serial killer she says it's Rex I said no way
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this house was a main focus and they brought out a lot of evidence I just didn't think it was real a Long Island
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community is still a crime scene tonight I even thought to myself it's crazy that
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there's two Rex humans out there Mary shelle and Muriel Henri worked with Rex hman and couldn't wrap
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their heads around the news we never thought he would be that kind of person it's
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shocking in July of 2023 nearly 133 years after the gilo 4 were discovered suffi County Police Commissioner Rodney
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Harrison made the announcement authorities believe Rex hman is the Long Island serial killer Rex shman is a
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demon that walks Among Us a predator that ruined families the man he calls a demon is a 6'4 architect he's
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charged with killing Melissa Bartholome Megan Waterman Amber Costello and is the
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prime suspect in the death of Moren brainer Barnes what does my client told me he told me he didn't do
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this hman was living about 20 minutes from Gilgo Beach in masipa park the very same town where Megan's phone last
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connected with the cell tower and hman worked here at his architectural firm in Midtown Manhattan just blocks from where
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Morin disappeared the same area where several of the threatening calls to Melissa's little sister were made the
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cause of death with regard to the three victims is homicidal violence a married man hman lived in
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this rundown house and has a daughter and stepson with his second wife Assa Assa who was born in
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Iceland would take the children to see her family there in the Summers it was during these trips and others police
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believed that hman killed the women you never got any kind of hint of another life no two totally Muriel henriquez
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worked at Herman's company RH consultants and Associates and spoke exclusively to 48 Hours she recalled a
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gift he gave her in the summer of 2007 this is a sweater he asks his wife to bring back from a trip to Iceland
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Muriel who says she was touched at the time by Herman's thoughtful gesture now wonders if his wife's absence that
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summer gave him an opportunity to kill Moren brainer Barnes who disappeared on July 9th 2007 how do you feel about this
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sweater now now no I'm definitely not going to wear this sweater now still she says she saw nothing alarming about the
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Rex Herman she saw daily a little bit of a nerd in a way he liked to talk about himself what he knew I mean not a
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narcissist but a little bit of a you know I know everything kind of guy pompus pompus she remembers him running
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to and from job sites eating fast food on the Run Pizza that was his number one thing police say they found nearly 300
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guns in a basement vault when she heard that police had recovered almost 300 firearms from a vault in huberman's
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basement she was surprised only by the number she knew him as an avid Hunter going out shooting hunting that was his
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passion what was it about hunting he liked I don't know I guess he liked the idea of having a prize stalking prey
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stalking prey and winning he like to win and while she says it never occurred to
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her that Huer could be dangerous she does remember a time when his tracking skills unnerved her it was her 40th
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birthday and she had booked a cruise vacation where are you going I said I'm you know I'm going to be in the middle
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of the ocean you're not going to find me in the middle of the ocean he said oh yes I
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can Muriel didn't think much of the comment until the second day of her trip there was a white envelope under my door
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it was a note from him the note said I told you I could find you anywhere he had photos from hunting
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trips Mary shelle worked with Huer in the summer of 2010 it was the same summer that both
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Amber Costello and Megan Waterman vanished he would talk about you know the meat in particular that bare meat
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could keep in the freezer for months hearing authorities now say that some of the victims were wrapped in a burlap
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that Hunters often use was chilling the burlap really got to me since Herman's arrest Mary has written about her
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experience with him she's also talked to other former female employees who said they weren't always treated with respect
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he would have one of them uh clean the toilet if he thought the cleaning person hadn't done a good enough job a woman in
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the office yes he more than once commented on women's bodies if someone perhaps had gained some weight you know
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that kind of that kind of thing John perzy grew up with hman he says hman was bullied as a child I
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remember meeting Rex when I was in first and second grade he was a loner not many
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friends the children were super mean to him made fun of him and teased him but John says he never saw hman fight back
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he was big enough that if he got upset and started swinging he would hurt somebody but he never
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did as hman got older John points out things didn't get much better it was rejected by many girls we all go through
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that awkward stage growing up and it seemed like that awkward stage I stayed with him longer than
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usual still he says many in the community find it hard to believe that Huer is the notorious serial killer
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living a double life for more than a decade people were saying oh my God I can't believe we have a serial killer in
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our town and we grew up with and we walked amongst the killer another classmate of hans's actor Billy Baldwin
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took to social media media when the news broke tweeting it was mindboggling Rex hello how you doing the
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awkward Long Island teenager grew up to be a confident and seemingly successful architect antoana Mira met and
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interviewed him in 2022 Born and Raised on Long Island okay been working in Manhattan since 1987
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there's nothing in my interview that made me think that this person in front of me uh is a dangerous
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person Antoine is a hotel food and beverage manager in New York who loves real estate he has a YouTube Interview
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show where he handpicks guests whom he thinks are interesting and accomplished I'm an architect I'm an architectural
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consultant I'm a troubleshooter Antoine says hman was well known for his skill at helping companies and individuals get
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building permits when a job that should have been routine suddenly becomes not routine yeah I get the phone call got
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you correct what really stood out for me was he was very very very smart and known says Anan for his ability to find
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loopholes in the rules he was pleased when he was doing it that he could that he that he could out out with
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the the system that's it folks that was Rex but antoan says he remembers it was hard to get Huer to crack a smile it's
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selfie time selfie time not even during the signature sunglasses selfies he takes with every guest two
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three can you spile that [Music] is if police are right Rex hman was able to hide a life as a serial killer
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and if he did his habit of eating pizza on the go would turn out to be his [Music]
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[Applause] undoing for more than a decade after the discovery of the Gilgo 4 Rex Herman's
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name never appeared on a suspect list until a new task force was formed with suffk County Police Commissioner Rodney
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Harrison and suffi County DA Ray tyranny in February of 2022 we formed the task force and then a mere six weeks
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later Rex hman was identified for the first time a suspect in 6 weeks so how how did
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they do it it turns out that buried in the original case files were a number of critical clues that the new task force
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was finally able to connect remember Amber's roommate Dave shaller she's like I love you you know she gave me a hug
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and she left he had told BCE about one of Amber's clients and his vehicle just a large built man and that
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he was driving this this first generation Chevy Avalanche a first generation Chevy Avalanche with a
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description of an ogre-like man and the make and model of his truck police took a closer look at Amber's phone records
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from 2010 shaller had told them that before Amber disappeared there was one particular client calling
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incessantly he called several times he was on the phone with her for quite a while each time police back then knew
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the client was using a burner phone that's a prepaid phone that anyone can buy and use
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anonymously and they knew that Moren Melissa and Megan had all been in contact with Burner numbers right before
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they disappeared in 2012 with the help of the FBI they determined that most of those
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calls connected to cell towers inside a small area of mipa Park they called called it the box so how large an area
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is that box it's you know a couple of blocks within within mipa Park the new task force began the search
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for a large built man who also lived in that small area and owned a Chevy Avalanche at the time of the
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disappearances was there a aha moment when all of a sudden his name came up once we were able to attach the
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Avalanche inside of that massive peal box which then attached to Rex hman that was a moment where we said okay there's
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something here the task force now had a prime suspect and when they looked at H's personal cell phone records They
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found that his phone was in the same area as those burner phones when they were used to contact a victim in mipa
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park or in Midtown Manhattan it was always consistent tyy says this was also true
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for those awful calls Melissa's family got from that man using her phone back in 2009 he said do you know what I did
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to your sister and he said well I killed Melissa the task force says that it confirmed that hman does in fact use
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burner phones investigators say he had two different burner numbers in 2022 and they say they watched him put
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money on one of those accounts accounts here and according to court papers the team also documented three email
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accounts using fake names including John Springfield Thomas Hawk and Hunter 1 1903 and all linked to those burner
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numbers and prosecutors say that hman was using a burner phone to send these selfies to solicit and arrange for
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sexual activity one of those account linked to heuerman prosecutors wrote was used to conduct quote thousands of
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searches related to sex workers sadistic tortur related pornography and child pornography there was a lot of uh
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torture uh porn and depictions of women uh being abused uh being raped and being
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killed investigators also say that while they were busy watching hman hman was trying to watch them conducting searches
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on the task force and the Gilgo victims not only pictures of the victims pictures of their relatives their their
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their sisters their children uh and he was trying to locate those individuals the circumstantial evidence was building
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but investigators also had physical evidence from the Gilgo 4 including one male hair that was found in the burlock
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app used to quote restrain and transport Megan Waterman's body and they wanted to
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see if they could link it to hman police tailed hman and when he threw out this pizza box in this trash
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can here in Midtown Manhattan they pounced the pizza which was you know obviously very significant tyy says that
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Herman's DNA that was found on that pizza crust was consistent with a DNA profile from the hair found with Megan
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Waterman's body and that DNA profile is only found in .4% of the population that was a
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remarkable day it was you know the weekend and you know you read you get the report and you read it and then you
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read it again and then you read it a third time and then you read it a fourth time uh and then you start making calls
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with the DNA the search histories and the burner phone evidence the team felt it was time when we
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decided to take down the case we you know it was a sudden decision we did see him contacting a number of sex workers
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using a burn phone which obviously is concerning pling clothes officers arrested him around the corner from his
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office I don't think he had any clue I don't think he had any clue that we were on to him
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police spent 12 days looking through Herman's home pulling those guns out of the basement and digging in the backyard
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they say it will take some time to comb through what they have now and they were
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tight lift about what they found has the search been great question and answer is yes
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you elaborate on fruitful you said yes it's fruitful there have been items that we
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have taken into our possession that makes it fruitful and one more big piece of evidence taken into possession a first
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generation Chevy Avalanche hman once used and it was sitting on property he owns in South Carolina when they
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recovered it we were able to seize that Chevy Avalanche pursuant to a search warrant and we're certainly going to
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analyze that but there were female hairs found on some of the victims's bodies that don't belong to the victims
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so who do they belong to what do you make of the evidence against Rex hman join the conversation
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now on social [Music] media after Rex Herman's arrest his quiet neighborhood in masipa park was
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overrun by investigators and media focusing intense scrutiny on the ramshackle home and its remaining
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residents his stepson Christopher Sheridan daughter Victoria hman and his wife of more than 25 years Assa erup
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there life going forward is always going to be the wife or the children of suspected serial killer that's what it's
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going to be from now on attorney Bob Macedonia represents Assa erup who has since filed for divorce from hurman he
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says she was as stunned as anyone by the accusations she had no idea how this going on the allegations are shocking
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nobody wants to think that they've been living with sleeping next to a serial killer for the past 25 years as it turns
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out ASA may have inadvertently helped Focus the investigation on her husband investigators say they've identified
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strands of female hair that were found on two of the victims one hair on Waterman comes back to his wife or the
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DNA profiles are consistent and then the DNA profile from Costello is consistent
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with the wife although prosecutors have evidence that Assa was out of town when those murders occurred they will have to
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explain how those hairs got on the victims suffk County DA Ray Tierney says it could be as simp simple as transfer
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you live at home with a spouse uh a little bit of your hair falls on your shoulder as well as your spouses then
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you go out and you interact with a third party and that hair gets on them Assa erup has not been charged or named a
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suspect in any of the murders you don't believe that Rex huan's wife was involved in this in any way there's no
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evidence to indicate that no along with the public scrutiny of Assa there's also
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been some report from people that perhaps know all too well what she's going through Carrie rosson the daughter
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of serial killer Dennis Raider who named himself BTK tweeted Assa and her kids are also victims I can tell that they
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are going through hell and from Melissa Moore the daughter of Keith jerson a serial killer known as a Happy Face
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Killer for taunting authorities with letters signed with a happy facee she reached out immediately to myself and we
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put her in contact with Assa at a press conference Macedonia announced Mo set up
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a GoFundMe page for Assa which raised over $50,000 money he says will largely go to
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medical bills Assa is battling breast and skin cancer and because Rex hman was a Sole Provider for the family macedonio
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says she will soon lose her health insurance Assa would like me to express her thanks
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for the support she's received um she's going through a very difficult time asa's children have also paid a heavy
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price her daughter Victoria who worked for her father at the architectural consulting firm and her son Christopher
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are both now unemployed ASA struggles to support them says macedonio while she's
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also trying to figure out how to start over how is she getting through every day I'm honestly yeah minute by minute
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she has no one else to turn to it this time family and friends have been hesitant to have her come over because
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they don't want the media attention she gets followed wherever she goes for the moment she and her children
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continue to live in the house in masipa park which the family says was excessively damaged during the police
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search seen in these photos provided by asa's attorney it's a daily reminder of the UN imaginable crimes her estranged
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husband is charged with and the investigation that continues into what else he may have
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[Music] [Music] done Rex hman awaiting trial is lo locked inside a suffi County Jail in a
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60 ft cell he denies killing Melissa bartholomy Megan Waterman and Amber Costello their vo is now silent as the
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sand where they have been ruthlessly discarded how sure are you as you're sitting here now that stman is the Long
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Island serial killer so we're just at the beginning stages of this case but we would not have brought this indictment
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if we weren't confident in our case he took away Somebody's Mother Somebody's Daughter somebody's sister and not just
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one person multiple individuals hman is currently the prime suspect for the murder of Meen brainer
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Barnes and for investigators and obvious question still hangs heavy if hman is a killer are there
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other victims I mean isn't there a real concern that there may be other victims out there always who's to say that
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there's not more bodies out there that we need to investigate in 2011 police did find
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other bodies along Ocean Parkway after finding the Gilgo 4 there is victim number five Jessica Taylor an escort who
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went missing in 2003 another set of remains police called Jane do number six is now
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identified as Valerie Mack also working as an escort number seven to investigator
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surprise they found a toddler girl number eight an Asian male dressed in women's
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clothing number nine a female skull belonging to Karen verada an escort who disappeared in
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1996 number 10 female remains from a victim cops nicknamed peaches because of a tattoo on her torso although her
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remains were found six miles away police say DNA confirms peaches is the mother of that
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toddler none of those victims has been linked to Huer men is it that you can't connect him yet or you believe he
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probably isn't the person who killed these other other individuals I don't know investigations also spread to Las
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Vegas in South Carolina where hman owns property with detectives there taking a fresh look at cases of missing
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women and then there's Nikki brass I remembered him because one he's massive and how many massive like 6'5
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Architects work in Manhattan live M you're going from brown and blonde now a hairdresser Nikki claims she may be one
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that got away she told us she used to work as an escort and while we canot substantiate her story Nikki claims she
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can't shake her memory of the night she says she was solicited for sex by Rex hurman and says she fled the restaurant
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where they met I had never gone anywhere and like felt fear my go was tell me I needed to get away and I've never had
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that before Nikki says what she found most disturbing is that hman himself brought
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up those bodies Bound in burlap by Gilgo Beach he wanted to like really get into
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it like he asked me how I thought they could get rid of the bodies without being caught in that area and I said
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I've never been over there I've never even seen Gil go Beach and his response was well it's
00:39:06
really dark and desolate I'm John Ray and I'm the lawyer Nikki is now represented by John Ray an
00:39:16
attorney who is also representing Shannon Gilbert's [Music] family in December of 2011 investigators
00:39:30
finally found Shannon here in the marsh not far from Gilgo Beach but they don't believe she was murdered it's an
00:39:38
unfortunate incident but right now we believe that she just ran into the marsh and unfortunately drowned a former
00:39:44
investigator told us that he believed Shannon was high on drugs that night and says her death was an accident something
00:39:52
John Ray just can't believe while he doesn't think Shannon was a victim of hman he does believe she was murdered
00:40:00
and points to that 911 call it absolutely makes no sense that she's found where she is except that
00:40:10
someone else put her there or killed her there while questions remain about Shannon's last hours there's no question
00:40:21
she's the reason so many families May finally be getting answers that they have long waited for we spoke to her
00:40:29
sister Sheree in 2011 my sister you know didn't make that 91 call I don't think that these other
00:40:37
women would have been recovered either now investigators hope that with an arrest they can give the victim's
00:40:44
families who stood with them a sense of justice end of Peace I've gotten to know know the
00:40:56
families and I'm inspired by them and I'm impressed by their [Music] patience a local Legend has it that this
00:41:08
place Gilgo Beach was named for a skilled fisherman called Gil these silver gray Waters once his secret
00:41:15
hunting ground today this Beach area is better known for a Relentless Hunter of human
00:41:25
prey a serial killer whose chilling presence can still be felt in the Ocean Air four students connected by
00:41:40
friendship then by tragedy zanna's family speaks for the first time she was always fun she was uplifting Kay's
00:41:47
parents believe that killer was there before he had to know when people are coming people are going 48 Hours next on
00:41:54
CBS and streaming on Paramount Plus [Music] us personally I could sort of relate to
00:42:15
Kathy Blair and just thinking about what that would be like as a woman to be home
00:42:20
alone that is the Boogeyman story for every woman right awful an intruder is in your house yeah
00:42:28
someone is stabbing [Music] you what's happening dead off this is a case that sticks with you
00:42:43
throughout your life my name is Derek Israel I was working in the homicide unit when this case uh
00:42:51
occurred uh my name's Carrie scandin and I was the lead investigator on the C Kathy Blair
00:42:57
[Music] murder Kathy was a larger than life she's my big sister I have always thought everything Kathy did was amazing
00:43:13
how would you describe her from a students's perspective she was so kind um just believed in me wholeheartedly it
00:43:21
still makes no sense who kills a choir director who does that a monster uh I get notified that there's
00:43:32
been another murder the victims are an elderly couple they were the best parents you could
00:43:39
ever wrong they were just sweet people like anybody's grandmother and grandfather
00:43:45
right from the get-go it started sounding really familiar it's so violent and it's eerily
00:43:54
similar to Kathy Blair's and when we saw the connection we just continued to work the investigations
00:44:03
together you know Carrie and I both kind of came to the conclusion that there was
00:44:07
a serial killer working here in Austin I was uh out testing a thermal scope I needed to get some video of some
00:44:17
deer Rob Leaf has this thermal imaging scope it's been night vision rifle scope so I saw the car pull up and park I
00:44:26
zoomed in with the scope and by the time I had zoomed in someone had gotten out walked over to the
00:44:31
sidewalk that is just unbelievably chilling the last thing they were expecting was high resolution thermal
00:44:37
video this video showed the murderer walking towards Kathy but's house the actual killer the actual
00:44:54
killer [Music] [Music] these days in Texas it seems like all roads lead to Austin the Sleek skyline of the Lone
00:45:49
Star Capital glittering a Boom Town that welcomes newcomers chasing facing dreams it's a city charged with life an
00:46:02
unlikely place to find tragedy as dark as the death of a dreamer like Kathy Blair she loved life you loved being
00:46:12
around her what were the things that were important to her she had I think a sense of justice right and wrong kren
00:46:20
mat is Kathy's younger sister um she was bossy and even as kids in California it
00:46:27
was clear Kathy had a passion she was always singing she had a god-given talent which was her
00:46:37
voice it was music that led Kathy to Austin Kathy went to UT Austin to get her master's degree in vocal performance
00:46:49
she loved Austin but love didn't always work out for Kathy she divorced twice still her affair with Austin held
00:47:00
firm and by 2013 Kathy was renting a house on a quiet street here on tamarak trail it was home she loved the people
00:47:10
here she loved the vibe in a city known around the world for music Kathy Blair fit right in she
00:47:19
had Melody and rhythm in her soul but you wouldn't find her singing the blues here on Austin's Fame Sixth Street
00:47:27
instead she chose a more spiritual stage for her [Music] talents Christian Coral Society was a
00:47:38
positive social setting the kids were kind to each other Barbara Sally's daughter was one
00:47:44
of hundreds of students touched by Kathy's Talent as a choir director and teacher I think she lived breathe at s
00:47:56
music Barbara along with Kathy's student Kristen de Groot met with us to share their memories of Kathy she was so kind
00:48:04
um just believed in me wholeheartedly which uh was something I really needed and for Kristen Kathy was a role model
00:48:13
she and I were the same music needed to be in our lives or we would die she was their teacher and their Mentor one of
00:48:21
her friends called it the Cathy Nation the Cathy Nation the Cathy Nation it was December 6th
00:48:31
2014 Kathy's son Joe was staying with her while waiting for his assignment from the Navy after a night out he came
00:48:39
home to tamarak Trail what he found was shattering and echoed across that Cathy Nation think my mom is dead there's a
00:48:49
lot of blood broken we K my mom Joe what's your mom's name her name is happing [Music]
00:48:59
Bo this case was clearly different really right from the right from the Geto starting with
00:49:07
the location oh this is a nice neighborhood this is a place where people I think feel safe a l of up until
00:49:15
this case which would frighten and chill Austin and shock veteran detectives scanland and
00:49:21
Israel one of the first things I thought of I'm like why this yeah why this house
00:49:27
there's nothing that makes this house stand out from all the other ones this is the living room right here then in
00:49:34
Kathy Blair's bedroom there's a fullsize jewelry case right here large drawers all the drawers have been pulled out and
00:49:43
they're stacked up so it's like someone dumped them out and then put them in a pile right here someone who had time to
00:49:49
do that correct a jewel thief who had time because Kathy Blair was already dead this murder started right here on
00:50:00
the bed 53-year-old Kathy Blair lay alone asleep in her own bed she awoke to the
00:50:08
Ultimate Nightmare yeah Kathy Blair fought like hell choked stabbed and finally slashed
00:50:16
across the neck the wound is a fatal wound but she still has time you know to put up that fight she she fought for her
00:50:24
life Kathy's here and there's blood all around her so much blood that it formed the timeline of a murder there's a light
00:50:34
switch and on that light switch we saw blood like a a blood swipe that told us that the perpetrator had come in here
00:50:40
after the murder and switch that light on there are more blood swipes on these drawers that tells me the murder of
00:50:47
Kathy Blair occurs before these drawers were words soon spread across Austin and
00:50:54
across Cathy Nation I just said no that's not what happened that cannot possibly be what happened was Kathy
00:51:03
Blair the kind of woman who might have an enemy who would do that no she didn't have a malicious bone in
00:51:10
her body why does someone come in here and and murder someone in order to steal a
00:51:19
little bit of jewelry you know it doesn't make sense it would be the first in a hideous
00:51:26
series of Senseless events it's just one of those moments where you're in disbelief you think you're living in a
00:51:33
dream this does not happen but it did happen and the killer left almost no evidence no DNA no
00:51:42
fingerprints no fingerprint and no blood from the killer no Israel and scandin would need all their street smarts and
00:51:50
then some because just N9 days later I get notified that there's been another murderer for Austin detectives Israel
00:52:18
and scanland images of Kathy Blair's death were harrowing attacked in the middle of the night and it was a really
00:52:26
horrific scene but there was no physical evidence from a killer who made virtually no
00:52:35
mistakes and that meant there was no clear suspect then suddenly the search for a
00:52:43
suspect changed in a way no one could imagine it was around 1:30 a.m. on the night that Kathy Blair died and one of
00:52:52
her neighbors was out for a late night walk what what he saw and what he did would give the detectives their first
00:52:59
big break in the case I was out testing a thermoscope I needed to get some video of some deer
00:53:06
and we've got some deer up and down the street Rob Leaf lived a few short blocks
00:53:10
from Cathy Blair so this a thermal scope so it picks up a heat signature wow it's
00:53:16
like daytime except it was the dead of night and Rob was only looking for deer I saw
00:53:24
the headlights a car coming up I saw the car pull up and park and on this street
00:53:28
on this street Rob kept recording this is video he recorded that night with a scope like this one I
00:53:36
zoomed in with the scope and by the time I had zoomed in someone had gotten out and walked over to the sidewalk you can
00:53:41
flip the setting to Red to see the image more clearly did you focus in on the card I first focused in on the person
00:53:48
and turns left on tamrock Kathy Blair Street the next day Rob flew to Las Vegas on a planned trip with old friends
00:53:57
reading the news on my phone and saw a murder story I clicked on it I saw the address Rob raced back to Austin he
00:54:04
checked the video of that stranger on his street and I called Austin Police and how important does the video end up
00:54:11
being in Kathy Blair's case very very important the video was tantalizing but blank on images that did
00:54:22
not give off heat so you couldn't actually identify the man a license plate number or even if there was anyone
00:54:29
else inside the vehicle still there was one important clue it gave us an idea of
00:54:36
what kind of vehicle our murder suspect arrived at the crime scene with and it was a sedan of some
00:54:43
sort these cops needed much more evidence then 9 days after Kathy Blair's murder in another peaceful Austin
00:54:52
neighborhood just 15 minutes from Kathy home they would get it the victims are an elderly couple
00:55:00
murdered overnight viciously viciously Sydney Jr Johnny and Brenda want their parents to be remembered as
00:55:11
the outstanding people they were not the Grim headlines they became Billy and Sydney Shelton were hardworking and
00:55:20
happily married for 64 years we were never rich but not once did daddy ever complain about it not once did Mama ever
00:55:32
complain about it a life well- lived and peacefully slowing down Billy was 83 her husband
00:55:42
Sydney 85 these are sweet people that'll you know send you on your road with some
00:55:48
cookies home nurse da catola was making her scheduled visit on December 15th 2014 I knocked nobody answered front
00:55:58
door was splintered it was clearly had been busted open Dow nervously headed to the Shelton's modest bedroom their room
00:56:06
had been ransacked and then to the left I saw him on the bed and I I ran I just turned around and I ran Sydney and Billy
00:56:16
Shelton had been beaten and stabed the knife is still present yes in one of the victims that's correct is it clear that
00:56:24
it's also a burglary yeah I was seeing some of the same things the same things found at Kathy
00:56:31
Blair's murder scene starting with an empty jewelry box and again the drawers were pulled out they had been emptied
00:56:39
and stacked three people had been slaughtered in their own beds the crime scenes were eerily similar and
00:56:47
investigators were privately wondering was there a serial killer loose on the streets of
00:56:53
Austin if word gives out that there's a serial killer it kicks it to an entirely
00:56:59
different level so investigators kept their worst fears to themselves but why would any killer Target Kathy or Billy
00:57:08
and Sydney who cops determined didn't even know each other none of these people had any enemies that we could
00:57:14
figure out what is it that connects these people together besides the killer every lead was chased down then almost 3
00:57:22
weeks after Kathy was killed the name of a stranger surfaced Tim Parlin he done yard work at Cathy's house and a friend
00:57:32
reported Parlin was weird and rude I go to our computer system it was a simple and easy search Tim Parlin had spent
00:57:42
decades in prison and he sto jewelry and he stole jewelry specifically jewelry at
00:57:47
night are you hopeful at this point yeah I [Music] am so this is the in town sweets Tim
00:57:57
parand where here is living at the time the murders happened Israel and scandin went to look
00:58:03
up the lifelong convict the detectives snapped these photos of Tim Parlin told him we're
00:58:11
homicide detectives so he asked us a few questions as well about the murder well
00:58:16
yeah like so how'd she die wow that's bold you know stuff like that he's susing it out to see what we know cat
00:58:23
and mouse it is Parlin spoke to the cops in the hotel's parking lot but when they asked to see
00:58:30
his room he refused claiming his wife was inside and asleep and you drive away and what's the conversation I said this
00:58:38
is our guy you did yeah and Derek says I don't know yet a return trip to the in town suits
00:58:48
just a few days later pays off Parlin wasn't home but his wife was expl explain what we were investigating and
00:58:56
she knew the Shelton his wife knew the Shelton Tim parlan's wife knew the Shelton from church and Tim Parlin had
00:59:04
worked in Kathy Blair's yard it was tenuous but it was a connection she gave us permission to search the apartment
00:59:12
did you find anything we did a pawn receipt this is that pawn receipt for a piece of jewelry a a nugget pendant and
00:59:21
it turns out that pendant belonged to Kathy Flair it was pawned on the same the Catholic Blair was
00:59:26
murdered we found out that his sister had a green Toyota Harlin had been using his
00:59:33
sister's car a green Toyota its outline appeared similar to the car in Rob Leaf's video and one caught on security
00:59:43
footage approaching that Austin pawn shop less than 24 hours after Kathy was murdered we took it we had it towed
00:59:50
towed and tested on the passenger seat traces of dried blood blood belonged to Kathy Blair that
00:59:59
was in that car Austin was on edge Kathy Blair was found dead inside her home hoping for an
01:00:07
arrest the wait for justice has been troubling for her students family and friends my name is himma Muller and I'm
01:00:13
an anchor at CBS Austin news it was very very shocking in the community and it was really unsettling but now Justice
01:00:20
was closing in on one man Tim Parlin but you're thinking one guy still oh yeah do you believe Rob Leaf's video can
01:00:32
help ID Kathy Blair's killer see more of what Leaf captured that night on Facebook at 48
01:00:49
Hours when Kathy Blair's blood was found in Tim parlan's car detectives Israel and scanland were convinced that he had
01:00:58
killed her at that point we're all jubilant we're super excited we got our guy Parlin fit the bill perfectly he had
01:01:07
done yard work for Kathy Blair and was a career criminal with a long rap sheet of
01:01:13
burglaries now I just need to question him confront him hopefully he'll confess if he doesn't we have hard physical
01:01:20
evidence to tie this guy to the murder Israel had parland arrest did for an unrelated parole violation and brought
01:01:27
in for questioning seemed like a pretty short and straight road to charging Tim parlon with murder it turned out it
01:01:34
wasn't a short road and it certainly wasn't a straight road the first step was to get Parlin to
01:01:41
corroborate some of the details of Cathy's murder I just straight up told him that you know we knew that he had
01:01:47
killed uh Kathy Blair what's his response I didn't do it and this was the thing he really liked to say these hands
01:01:56
didn't kill anyone so the detectives asked him who did but Parlin wasn't giving up that
01:02:04
information so easily so after hours of this conversation he finally says okay I'll tell you who it was and that's when
01:02:12
he said Sean Gant Ben alkazar who is that that's what I said who is that did you think he was stalling oh yeah yeah
01:02:21
yeah this sounded completely made up and I knew as soon as he said it that he had
01:02:26
screwed us cuz now he had to now we got to go hunt some mystery guy down and prove that he didn't commit a murder
01:02:32
with their lead suspect behind bars for now the detectives reluctantly contacted
01:02:38
parlan's mystery man sha Gant benel Kazar had never been in trouble with the law he had a degree in microbiology was
01:02:46
once a high school science teacher and seemed an unlikely acquaintance of a serial jewel thief this guy lived in G
01:02:54
Galviston he didn't cause any trouble gamp and elgazar readily agreed to meet with them that night at the galvaston
01:03:00
police department CU see C all right we're investigating a murder in Austin and in particular we're looking at Tim
01:03:09
Parlin as the person that we we believe committed the murder I'm completely in the dark on this um who was
01:03:17
murdered he tells the detectives he barely knows Parlin that he just met him a few months earlier when his sister
01:03:25
began dating parlan's nephew so we started talking okay when was the last time you were in Austin well I've been
01:03:30
in Austin a few times for the last month he was in town during the the weekends of both of those
01:03:35
murders and on top of it he was staying with Tim Parlin the thing is honestly I want to help you guys out because this
01:03:43
guy wolf and chep's clothing basically didn't tell me anything about his his past and I'm starting to feel like he
01:03:51
set me up like a py or something the detectives knew from parlan's criminal record that he did have a history of
01:03:58
being a master manipulator did Tim ever approach you about doing burglaries and before long the mystery man who
01:04:07
initially said he knew nothing slowly started to crack Gant velkazar now says he was sitting in the car when Parlin
01:04:16
went into Kathy Blair's house so where are you sitting in the car passenger seat Well if he's sitting in the
01:04:22
passenger seat then why is there blood in the passenger seat but gamp Ben elazar had an explanation he says Parlin
01:04:30
came back to the car clutching a bloody pillowcase came back with the sack had blood on it threw it in the passenger
01:04:38
floorboard and I took a peek at it had jewelry in it and I didn't want anything to do with it when did you figure out
01:04:46
that it had something to do with the murder the fact that it had blood on it was not a good
01:04:51
sign then about 4 hours into the interview no I'm just wondering his rest as he walked down a hallway and he was
01:05:00
walking in front of me I looked up and it just I mean I got to chill because I was like that's the same walk as the guy
01:05:08
in the video remember that spooky thermal video that the cops think accidentally caught
01:05:15
Kathy Blair's killer ambling down the side walk you know it's just the broadness the deliberate
01:05:23
steps I thought it was him I definitely believed it could be him was it actually
01:05:28
Gant benel Kazar and not Parlin who had gone into Kathy's house we started pursuing you know the line of
01:05:34
questioning along the lines of maybe he was in the house he bully you into going into the
01:05:42
house or I was scared and you know he he was taking a threatening tone he told me
01:05:48
to go in the house and get the stuff and finally he admitted I did go into the house and I did steal the jewelry came
01:05:56
in through where the back door you said yeah it was open okay open unlocked unlocked yeah I looked around and kind
01:06:04
of prowled and snu through quietly I turned on a couple lights um in rooms where I didn't see her and I found the
01:06:13
room where she was and she was fast asleep that was the room her jewelry box was in okay and so I I opened the
01:06:20
jewelry box took the stuff out put it in the the thing maybe he went back I don't
01:06:27
know but I didn't kill her I told him that's that's impossible everything you said is true except that
01:06:35
it's not possible she was still alive when you left and I explained that the person who turned on those light
01:06:41
switches you talked about turning on the person who removed that pillowcase you talked about removing the person who
01:06:48
removed those drawers you talked about removing that person had Kathy Blair's blood on on his
01:06:55
hands so the person who did all that killed Kathy Blair I kept pushing him for the reason something happened in
01:07:04
that room when you were there what happened and that's when he said I was standing there I was looking at
01:07:11
her with no room left to lie he breaks down she woke up she lunged at me grabbed the knife started trying to
01:07:22
wrestle it out of my hand and then it was a struggle and I stabbed her in the neck the confession came
01:07:34
unexpectedly the witness was now the prime suspect we had gone to clear the guy and instead he confessed to capital
01:07:43
murder gamp and El Kazar kept talking and claimed that after murdering Cathy Blair he handed off her jewelry to
01:07:51
Parlin you didn't get to keep any of it no he didn't give me anything I got nothing you're going to have to ask him
01:07:58
where he fenced it Sean Gan elazar appears to have gained absolutely nothing from this
01:08:06
senseless murder I've never met anyone who would go into someone's house and sneak in a night and and murder them in
01:08:13
their bed for what reason none for their own gratification that's it we're going
01:08:19
to place you under arrest for capital murder detectives immediately read Gant benel Kazar his rights but they still
01:08:26
wanted to learn what he knew about the murder of the Shelton we started talking again asking about the
01:08:32
Shelton try as they might gamp benel gazar wasn't talking anymore well I wasn't there for that one
01:08:39
I don't know anything about that one by this point everyone is exhausted So eventually he just he terminated the
01:08:44
interview he said I'm done done wish this all had never happened after the arrest detective scandin made
01:08:53
this video of gamp benel Kazar on his cell phone his hunch seemed right that's the
01:09:00
moment that you think that's when I thought it was him two men are in jail in connection with
01:09:05
the murder of a beloved choir teacher 4 days later Austin Police announced that they had made two arrests 30-year-old
01:09:12
sha Gant Ben Al Kazar of Galveston is charged with capital murder 49-year-old Timothy Parlin is also expected to face
01:09:20
charges related to Blair's murder Sean G Ben alkazar he was a UT graduate he had
01:09:25
no criminal record of any kind how did he get involved with a crime like this Tim parland had an answer later
01:09:33
while in custody Parlin admitted to the cops that he had driven gampa alkazar to
01:09:38
Kathy Blair's house and to the Shelton residents on the nights they were murdered and parlan says he knew all
01:09:45
along that gamp and alkazar had killed all three of them investigators now thought they understood what had
01:09:52
happened Shan the Shelton Tim Parlin was a party to that murder and he planned it
01:10:00
he facilitated it he profited from it he assisted in it but you are 100% convinced that it was Shawn who murdered
01:10:07
that couple yes will he ever be brought to trial for it it seems unlikely unlikely because there was no
01:10:16
direct evidence linking gamp and Al Kazar to the Shelton murders and he would always deny he had killed them
01:10:24
prosecutors would focus instead on building their strongest case using gamp and alcazar's confession to convict him
01:10:32
of killing Kathy Blair but when Shan gamp velkazar finally gets his day in court no one
01:10:41
could have anticipated what would happen next makes you worry because this guy cannot be out on the
01:10:52
streets [Music] okay good morning ladies and gentlemen we're here to start the trial in state
01:11:08
of Texas versus sha gazar three years after sha Gant benel Kazar confessed to the murder of Kathy
01:11:16
Blair his trial begins did then and there intentionally commit murder By causing the death you never know what a
01:11:21
jury's going to do MH but it was a very very strong case you're all here today assistant DA's Andrea Austin and David
01:11:30
levingston present the state's case the man who sits Among Us in this courtroom the defendant Shan Gant balazar is Kathy
01:11:38
Blair's killer how hard was it to be there during that trial it was really hard there were some pictures throughout
01:11:50
that that I saw that I can't unsee there was a car that parked while I was on of my walk Kathy's neighbor Rob Leaf
01:11:59
testifies about the video he recorded on the night she was murdered by the time I
01:12:04
zoomed and zoomed back in someone was already out of the car and was crossing onto the sidewalk that someone the
01:12:11
prosecutor tells the jury was sha gamp Ben elazer on his way to murder Kathy Blair I just kind of looked through the
01:12:19
rooms you know and I I turned on a couple lights um in rooms where I didn't see her the prosecution's case hinges on
01:12:28
Gant benel Kazar rambling 5-hour confession where he describes breaking into Cathy's
01:12:36
house she woke up she lunged at me he had a knife out they fought over the knife and
01:12:46
I stabbed her in the neck he didn't just kind of confess he straight up confessed to all the
01:12:57
details of of killing Kathy Blair sign that confession was vital to the prosecution's case he gave enough
01:13:07
details in this confession that were kept out of the media so we could show the confession was from the actual
01:13:13
killer and that he knew enough about this crime to have either been there or done it himself there is no question
01:13:20
that this is a horrible horrible crime gampa alcazar's defense lawyer Ariel Pion makes a bold accusation right off
01:13:28
the top that damning video she just was trying to fight the knife away from me and I was it was all a lie a false
01:13:38
confession coerced by detectives Israel and scanland no I'm just wondering the defense tells the jury
01:13:47
that during that 5minute bathroom break in the hallway when Gant benel Kazar was
01:13:52
not being recorded detectives threatened him law enforcement went down there we believe the evidence will show with the
01:14:00
express idea plan purpose and intent to try to get him to confess to something he didn't do they have to come
01:14:09
up with something they have to argue that it's a involuntary statement but we obviously knew that wasn't true the
01:14:15
exact words were this is important and we're not you're not going anywhere until we finish gamp benel gazar takes
01:14:22
the stand to blame the cops for his confession that if I I didn't explain a reason for having done it even though I
01:14:29
Didn't Do It um I would get the death penalty and he maintains that it was actually Tim parand who killed Kathy
01:14:37
Blair on that chilly December evening back in 2014 were you worried the jury might you always have to worry with
01:14:45
juries you don't get blood on your hands and put it on a jewelry chest at closing
01:14:49
arguments prosecutors insist Gat benel Kazar voluntarily confessed and offered details about the crime only the killer
01:14:58
could have known I think it comes down to a credibility and hopefully are sitting
01:15:03
there thinking this guy confess why are we here the case goes to the jury when the hours started ticking away
01:15:13
2 3 5 6 7 8 n you feel you feel awful were you worried yes the idea that he would get
01:15:27
out was just Unthinkable I mean Sean is going to kill somebody else if he got out after 19 hours of jury
01:15:41
deliberations this time I'll declare a mistrial a mistrial the jury cannot reach a verdict one person held out she
01:15:51
didn't want to consider the confession I mean look that's what this system is about we we're required
01:15:57
to get a unanimous verdict we didn't get a unanimous verdict how hard was it to hear that there was a mistrial and you
01:16:03
would have to go through it all over again really hard yeah that was that was tough with a retrial in the works and
01:16:10
Tim parlan's trial less than a month away prosecutors were worried could they get any jury to convict either of these
01:16:22
men good morning this man Timothy parlon knew that Sean Gant would go in and murder Captain Blair with sha gampa
01:16:42
alcazar's mistrial still fresh in her mind prosecutor Andrea Austin is determined to put Tim parand away for
01:16:50
life he stands trial for both both the murders of Kathy Blair and the Shelton in Texas if you were part of the
01:16:59
crime then you were also guilty of that crime you can convict him even if you don't believe he stepped foot inside
01:17:06
that house because he was there and he participated correct I'm going to ask you to find him guilty of capital
01:17:15
murder detectives were convinced Gant Bazar had killed the Shelton but had no evidence to charge him with their murder
01:17:23
so Tim Parlin would prove to be an easier Target for prosecutors Parlin admitted he drove gamp and alkazar to
01:17:30
both murder scenes and the car Parlin was driving had Cathy Blair's blood in it oh he did much more than sit in the
01:17:39
car he's the one who targeted Kathy he's the one for whatever reason said hey you know what this would be a
01:17:48
good person for you to murder good morning ladies and gentlemen parlan's lawyer Keith Lowman argues that
01:17:56
despite his client having confessed to driving gamp benel Kazar to both murders there is no evidence placing Parlin
01:18:03
inside the two houses he never set foot in either one of these hubs and at the very end you're going to realize that
01:18:12
this man in those hands never participated in any murders after a 9-day trial the jury
01:18:20
doesn't take long to reach a verdict we the jury find the defendant Timothy Pary guilty of the offense of capital
01:18:27
murder guilty Parlin is sentenced to mandatory life in prison without the possibility
01:18:35
of parole for his role in the murders of Kathy Blair and Sydney and Billy Shelton five months later gamp benel
01:18:43
Kazar went to trial a second time for the murder of Kathy Blair the nerves were much higher the second round well
01:18:52
there's a lot at stake a lot of the vehicle parked on the side of the street it wasn't in front of a house again Rob
01:19:00
Le's testimony is critical for the prosecution and uh did at some point did you see an individual get out of that
01:19:07
car yes sir I did I want you to watch this it was a struggle and I stabbed her in the neck I
01:19:17
I didn't look what he does with his hands he's retrieving a memory right involuntarily he's doing this he
01:19:26
remembers doing because he's the one who murdered her the police wouldn't let me
01:19:30
go is my once more Gan elgazar swears the cops coerced his confession and I come out of the bathroom they keep
01:19:38
saying oh we we know you did it there's no doubt you did it and they keep saying
01:19:42
it keep saying it and I just got worn down this time out the jury deliberates Less Than 3
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hours we the jury find the defendant Sean G Ben Alazar guilty of the offense of capital
01:19:58
murder we poured our emotions out into this case it was Justice delayed [Music] and yeah but delivered but
01:20:09
deliver like Tim Parlin before him sha gamp Ben elazar was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole
01:20:19
we're pleased um we miss Kathy this isn't going to bring her back our hearts are never going to completely
01:20:28
heal a few months after the verdict I spoke with gamp benel Kazar via a prison video phone I wanted to ask why why
01:20:37
would a guy who'd never been in trouble with the law suddenly turned into a vicious killer instead with no evidence
01:20:45
of any remorse he repeated what he told the jury that he was innocent the cops had forced him to confess and that Tim
01:20:54
Parlin was the one who had killed Kathy Blair when I went to go see him at 4 4 a.m. um he said well we're going to go
01:21:04
get breakfast and uh drove me out to the place and then said that he had killed her and told me about it Tim parling
01:21:12
confessed to you that he killed Kathy Blair yeah that's right how could you have known the movements of the killer
01:21:21
anything that um I said was something that either uh you know Tim told me or I just made
01:21:30
up and not surprisingly when I visited Parlin at a prison in Northeast Texas hello hello how you doing he pointed the
01:21:38
finger at gampa elazar and claimed he knew absolutely nothing about the murder of Kathy Blair after Shawn viciously
01:21:49
kills Kathy Blair gets back in your car and drives away and he goes back to G he
01:21:54
never said a thing never said a thing he never said Stone Cold individual actually right you've been described as
01:22:00
the master manipulator that you talked him into doing it my IQ is very low and I have a
01:22:07
big heart I believe that it is it's very low actually and I have a big heart so I'm Not The Mastermind behind anything
01:22:14
you're just a big teddy Bearer Behind Bars yeah pretty much were Rob Leaf is The Accidental Hero of
01:22:22
this story someone who never knew he'd be called upon to help solve a murder and you
01:22:28
ended up leaving the neighborhood I did needed to change I did absolutely I would not be where I am as
01:22:36
a a professional actor and musician without her influence Kathy Blair's student Christen degut is moving to New
01:22:43
York to pursue her dream of a career in music one of my greatest regrets is that
01:22:49
I never was able to tell her that she did this for me how proud do you think she would be of
01:22:58
you I I hope she'd be really proud of me they're just evil people in the end there's just
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two this broken human beings who you know basically put a path of Destruction through you know two
01:23:17
[Music] families two families who will forever share the same tragedy they were the
01:23:27
best parents you could ever want I just miss her and at the end of the day she's gone
01:23:37
and I can't call her [Music] tonight what do you think really happened watch more of Marine's
01:23:49
interviews with the two convicts at 48 hours.com this is terrifying this is a senseless
01:23:55
murder this is not a minor point this is really a who done it this is a heavy gun this is hate this is
01:24:03
real this is crazy this is the Moment of Truth this is terrifying this is exactly
01:24:08
what I tried to stop CBS News original [Music] reporting [Music] I met Vicki in high school it was like
01:24:33
we were just meant to be we had so much in [Music] common that was my favorite song and to
01:24:42
this day I'll Crank It Up in the car if I hear it it just says something about I guess
01:24:49
kind of like the way I thought of her maybe there was never never a doubt in my mind how much my mom and my dad loved
01:24:59
[Music] us my name is Bill werly I was coming home for lunch I was working on that
01:25:06
side of town I figured whyd hurry and get home for lunch I found Brandon by himself I thought that was unusual for
01:25:16
her not to be there with him I kind of looked around I think for her and didn't find her normal life you
01:25:24
don't expect something bad to be happening she died by strangulation there were a number of uh lature marks
01:25:34
around her neck why why her you know what did what did she do what did we do he's there for 50 minutes probably
01:25:44
before he discovers the body there were definitely police officers that thought that bill wagly killed his wife could
01:25:51
that person be involved you know who else would have killed the wife did they ask you to take a polygraph yeah I took
01:25:58
a polygraph for them and I also took one privately and did that make them less suspicious no it made them more
01:26:07
suspicious why I failed both of them so bill werly for 18 years had to live under the cloud of suspicion that
01:26:15
he killed his wife I don't think they put two and two together that this had anything to do with a serial killer the
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this is BTK this is him he killed my mom out of the [Music] [Applause] Shadows for three decades Witchita Kansas has
01:26:59
lived with a murder mystery 10 victims strangle without mercy and a faceless killer who called himself
01:27:08
BTK dealt with very very coldblooded Killers but none who have such a tremendous memory over this many years
01:27:17
I've never dealt with anybody like this hello everybody district attorney Nola f
01:27:22
is Prosecuting Dennis Raider The Man Behind the initials which stand for bind torture and kill we have torture devices
01:27:31
he commented to me at one point I'm sorry I know this is a human being but I'm a monster you'll learn how Raider
01:27:38
became that killer and the untold story of one family's horrific encounter with BTK bill wagly was
01:27:49
victimized and tortured in this whole episode from the day that his wife died the day that she was
01:27:57
killed it not only killed him it put him under suspicion for a long period of time bill wagerle and his children have
01:28:08
been silent about what happened to them for 19 years they speak for the first [Music]
01:28:17
time I remember seeing her across the hallway in school and just thinking you know
01:28:23
wow Bill met his wife Vicki when they were 16 she was just tall and slender and attractive well-kept I mean she just
01:28:32
quiet and you got married when we were 17 young yeah sometimes it seemed like they were
01:28:42
just you know two kids in love when they were just 18 Bill and Vicki had a daughter Stephanie what do you remember
01:28:51
of your mom to me it seemed like she was always happy and bubbly and you know easy going and life was life was good
01:28:59
eight years later a son Brandon was born my life revolved around her and and her
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life revolved around the kids in me and her family too those are the important things to
01:29:13
us then came a day so sural that even 19 years later bill werly still seems in shock when when was the last time you
01:29:22
saw Vicki uh when I left for work that morning probably about 8:00 the date September 16th
01:29:33
1986 and I just remember kissing her goodbye which normally I didn't take the time to do that but that morning I
01:29:42
did while bill was at work and Stephanie at school Vicki was home at one point that morning she was heard playing the
01:29:51
piano she was also taking care of Brandon who was then too I was coming home for lunch and just to see her and
01:30:02
Brandon I passed my car on my way home did you know it was your car yeah I was sure it was my car and could you see who
01:30:10
was driving it I saw a person driving it yes but not your wife no what happened when you got
01:30:18
home uh I found Brandon sitting on the floor by himself were you worried at that moment I was concerned yeah I I
01:30:27
didn't know exactly what was going on why why Brandon would be there by himself that that's very unusual what
01:30:33
did you do at that point I eventually went into the bedroom and discovered her on the floor Vicky
01:30:41
had been tied up and strangled then you start to put things together that the person that was in my car probably I'm
01:30:49
sure did this and and and I immediately called 911 but when police arrived and started
01:30:56
putting things together themselves they came to a different conclusion did they believe you I I don't think they did
01:31:05
that's because Bill failed those two lie detector tests the individual that I hired to take the polygraph he said he
01:31:13
believed what I was saying was true he said it's just the stress that I was under did you think it was possible you
01:31:20
might be charged it got to a point yeah I was fearful of that police never had enough evidence to actually charge bill
01:31:29
or anyone else but the rumors persisted for years I remember going back to school and my my friends would tell me
01:31:37
on the playground that you know my mom and dad said that your dad did it that was tough wouldn't it MH what
01:31:47
would you say to them I didn't say anything we knew what the truth was so it just made me more aware of who I was
01:31:57
friends with what about you Brandon yeah I had a a teacher I think in middle school that
01:32:05
had relay to her younger son who had told me that uh me and my dad were bad people and a stay away from us why cuz
01:32:14
my dad killed my mother as you two got older did you wonder what had happened to your mom
01:32:22
yeah what would you think well I can remember from probably age seven or eight my grandma told me that she
01:32:30
thought it was BTK but at that age you know that meant nothing to me so BTK those initials and this symbol
01:32:39
haunted Witchita representing a phantom killer who had never been caught although it had been nine years since
01:32:47
his last known murder Vicki's brutal death seemed to carry his trademark she had been bound and strangled like all
01:32:55
the others before her January 1974 four members of the ottero family are tied up and strangled including two
01:33:06
children 9-year-old Joseph and 11-year-old Josephine who was hanged from a basement
01:33:13
pipe April 1974 21-year-old Katherine brigh tied up strangled and stabbed to death
01:33:22
October 1974 in a note left at the witcho public library the killer took credit for the
01:33:29
ottero murders and gave himself a name BTK for bind them torture them kill them March
01:33:39
1977 another strangling and this time a witness 6-year-old Steve rord what do he
01:33:48
remember that day remember of time Steve was walking home from the store with soup for his sick mother when
01:33:55
he was confronted by a stranger he stops me approaches me shows me a picture asked me did I know who it
01:34:04
was said no sir I don't know who this is Steve ran home but moments later there was a knock on the door me and my
01:34:12
brother rush to the door I beat my brother I left the BTK in my house BTK gave Steve and his two
01:34:21
siblings a blanket of some toys then he locked them in the bathroom the terrified children watched through a
01:34:28
crack at the top of the door as their mother Shirley Von was tied to her bed and strangled what do you remember of
01:34:36
him was he tall ma'am I don't remember how tall I don't remember how short but I remember what his face
01:34:45
looked like it sounds like you feel guilt that you ever let him in your house else that b for the rest of my
01:34:54
life how could you feel guilty about it Steve you didn't have anything to do with this yeah
01:35:00
did answer the door December 1977 BTK bound and strangled 25-year-old Nancy Fox and added a Twist he reported
01:35:12
the murder to police himself yes you will find a homicide at 8843 South then the killer sent a chilling letter
01:35:26
to a local TV station that read in part how many do I have to kill before I get a name in the paper or some national
01:35:33
attention he apparently was pretty irritated by the lack of news coverage former witch police detective arand
01:35:40
Smith says the city was in a panic we worked it with a sense of urgency because nobody knew how long it was
01:35:48
going to be before he killed somebody else but then in 1979 BTK seemed to disappear
01:35:57
so when Vicky werly was killed 7 years later police focused on the most logical suspect her husband I knew there was an
01:36:06
individual out there that did this but to me it just seemed like they weren't looking for anybody
01:36:20
else [Music] [Music] all the the pain and the heartache and just miss her what do you miss about
01:36:39
her everything I mean even even at 10 years old you know she was my best friend I don't think people understand
01:36:51
that that the difficulties that I had and the fears of just raising two kids it was like Stephany was my second
01:37:00
mother she she stepped in and kind of took over the werly children not only lost
01:37:09
their mother Vicki they also had to endure The Whispers and rumors about their father for 18
01:37:17
years was there ever a Time Stephanie that you thought your dad might have been responsible for your mom's death oh
01:37:23
no absolutely not never there's a kind of a cloud that rests over your head and oh there's Bill wakerly his wife was
01:37:31
killed and nobody's ever found the killer H and then on a March day in 2004 everything changed it started with
01:37:43
a letter to reporter Hurst laviana this is a copy of the envelope inside the envelope a copy of VII werley's driver's
01:37:52
license and what appeared to be crime scene pictures of her body I looked at the crime scene
01:37:58
photographs and realized they weren't routine crime scene photographs they weren't routine because
01:38:07
police didn't take them the only person who could have was the killer we do not have photographs for it scene because
01:38:15
she was transported because it came in as a medical call so EMS gets there transports her out before police have AR
01:38:22
she for lieutenant Ken landar who ran the BTK task force the letter was a huge breakthrough after 18 years it cleared
01:38:31
Bill werly and exposed BTK as the real killer this monster come into my home and took my wife from me
01:38:41
you know took my life our whole lives away from us as we knew it and and changed us as
01:38:48
people for the rest of our lives for the wagerle and all the families that lost loved ones to BTK the horror
01:38:58
came rushing back we had gone on you know with our lives all these years and then to have all of it come up again and
01:39:09
to have to live through it all again was pretty hard the return of BTK also shocked witch's district attorney Nola
01:39:18
Fon like everyone else in town her her life and career had been haunted by The Faceless killer I was the same as
01:39:26
anybody else with locking my doors checking my phone living in the same fear that everyone else was living with
01:39:35
good evening a new letter and new Clues possibly from Vicky werley's driver's license was only the beginning
01:39:41
throughout 2004 there was a frenzy of chilling BTK communic as the killer scattered Clues
01:39:49
from past crimes all over the city teasing puzzling and frightening kfdi the FBI is now checking out a package
01:39:59
that was found in a Witchita park there were doll grams little dolls one with a noose around its neck the killer POS the
01:40:07
doll to represent the murder of 11-year-old josephin Tero who was hanged he's perverted he's a sexual
01:40:16
offender he is a pedophile there were ser boxes btk's sick play on the words serial
01:40:26
killer he's got to be really twisted to have to manufacture these pictures he is
01:40:32
sexually benefiting as he's drawing this stuff why would he reappear after years
01:40:39
of Silence okay are you ready police believe it was because of a writer named Bob Bady hi excellent book and the
01:40:47
publicity surrounding his new book about the murders this guy always wrote Because he wanted
01:40:53
attention he writes to a television station it says how many do I have to kill before I get some
01:41:02
attention soon enough the killer seemingly jealous of batty submitted his own book to
01:41:10
police and then he made a mistake inside another serial box he sent a note asking
01:41:17
if he could send police a computer disc and still will stay Anonymous so he wrote and he said be honest with me his
01:41:25
words be honest with me if I send you a disc will it be traceable you know put in the newspaper it'll be okay Rex and
01:41:33
send it under this code number police placed an ad in the paper just as BTK instructed he in turn sent
01:41:42
in a disc and was trapped when it reached its destination immediately it was forensically
01:41:48
examined in no time computer experts traced the disc to a local church and a user named
01:41:56
Dennis a Google search did the rest turning up a Dennis Raider president of the Christ Lutheran Church and I looked
01:42:06
at this picture and I had I I went you have got to be kidding me the ghost to a terrified Witchita for
01:42:16
30 years finally had a face and what a face it was BTK was of all things a dog catcher a
01:42:27
Suburban family man with two grown kids and a tidy little house it all seems so normal and then it was kind of like he
01:42:38
fits he just fits he fits the profile he's every man everyone's gut said Dennis Raider but police wanted the case
01:42:49
airtight they wanted DNA they secretly obtained a sample from Raider's daughter it was
01:42:56
taken while she was in college and blood no um paps the daughter's DNA was compared to
01:43:04
seen left at some of btk's crime scenes and it was a close match on February 25th three decades
01:43:15
after the BTK murders began it all ended one of the most notorious murderers in American history was
01:43:24
arrested in the most routine way as he headed home for lunch it was so emotional I can't I
01:43:32
can't tell you how emotional it was it was so great it was like this son of a [ __ ] is gone he is out of
01:43:49
here this is BTK and your job is to get confession from him he needs to say what
01:43:59
he did Witchita police Lieutenant Ken lambar spent his entire career preparing for this one moment confronting the man
01:44:09
he believed to be the serial killer BTK I went to clear all the homicides I just didn't want to clear two or three I
01:44:16
wanted all of them as lambar sat down to interrogate Denis Raider district attorney Nola folston watched from the
01:44:24
next room what was your first reaction I thought he was a geek I know that sounds terrible but he
01:44:32
was just he was so full of himself for the first few hours Raider admitted nothing then lambare took him
01:44:43
by surprise and told Raider there was DNA evidence connecting him to six of the murders including Vicky wager Le
01:44:51
Raider's skin was found under her fingernails then it was like the damn had broken you could not shut this guy
01:45:00
up what was the most surprising part of the confession the the one that that I will never forget is the fact of when he
01:45:09
asked me the question Ken why did you lie to me you li to and what's he talking about when he
01:45:16
asks you why he's looking at the floppy disc he didn't think we could trace a floppy disc because he asked me that
01:45:24
why'd you lie to me if you wouldn't have lied to me I wouldn't have sent it to you because I was trying to catch you
01:45:30
and when I told him I was trying to catch you he says but we had such a good thing going you and I had that Rapport
01:45:38
he really thought that they would be honest with him can you believe that it could have sold him to Brooklyn
01:45:47
Bridge from that point on Raider eagerly spent the next 30 hours reviewing the last 30 years of his life as he proudly
01:45:56
confessed to murder after murder Raider revealed a darker nature than anyone could have imagined it's nauseating he'd
01:46:04
start going on and on and on about each and every one of his conquests while Raider was confessing investigators
01:46:14
began turning up physical evidence against him in his City Hall office they discovered imp plain site a cabinet full
01:46:22
of souvenirs from the killings all neatly filed away Raider called the stash his mother load he had all the
01:46:31
original Communications he had all the evidence all the trinkets driver's licenses all those things were all very
01:46:39
neatly stored all in binders inside Raiders tiny 900 ft house investigators found another stash a
01:46:50
contain container in his closet full of what Raider called slick ads sexual fantasy cards he made using magazine
01:46:57
photos of women and young girls what is wrong with this guy his mind was totally
01:47:03
fantasy driven police theorize these fantasies allowed Raider to go years without killing and were key to his
01:47:11
elaborate double life a life in which the normal activities of Dennis Raider fed the ghoulish appetites of BTK for
01:47:20
instance he told police he used a former job installing burglar alarms to enter homes and troll for
01:47:28
victims he always felt like uh he was very busy and you know whatever you got just whatever you need let him know
01:47:35
because he's got things to do very busy man Denise madx shared an office with Raider at the home security company ADT
01:47:43
in the 1980s Vicky wagerle was killed in the middle of the day when he was working at
01:47:49
ADT and when you were working with him which means he had to leave in the middle of the day and then come back
01:47:58
after killing a woman and brutally killing a woman when Raider admitted to the 1985
01:48:06
strangling of marine hedge a woman who lived on his own block he told police he took the body to his church where he
01:48:15
posed and photographed it it was the same Church where he appeared to be so devout he was elected
01:48:24
president of the congregation we just couldn't believe that they were talking about the dentist
01:48:29
Raider that we knew Paul Carl said has known dentist Raider for 30 years the dentist that
01:48:36
came to church every Sunday the dentist that was was there to help in whatever way we wanted him to help it just didn't
01:48:42
it just didn't make any sense Raider also revealed that He Slipped Away From a Boy Scout camping
01:48:49
trip in 19 1991 to strangle 62-year-old Dolores Davis it was Raiders last murder his fantasy is to take her to a
01:48:59
barn string her up and then do some sexual bondage things with this dead body and photograph her but Raider got
01:49:08
caught in a snowstorm and dumped the body under a bridge instead and it isn't until a couple of weeks later that her
01:49:16
body is actually located underneath this bridge out in the county and they find with it
01:49:23
a mask a plastic mask that's been painted decorated with some eyelashes and lipstick and painted face on it what
01:49:32
made him think he had the right to take somebody that meant the world to me so unjust for Dolores
01:49:44
Davis's son Jeff learning the identity of his mother's killer is a fresh outrage
01:49:51
what sick perverted pleasure can you possibly get enjoying looking into somebody's
01:50:01
terrified eyes as you strangle the life out of them the BTK suspect will be back in
01:50:12
court in about a half an hour a court proceeding is scheduled at 9:00 finally Raider was forced to appear in public
01:50:20
for the first time since his arrest sir I have been advised as your desire to enter a plea of guilty in this case is
01:50:28
that correct yes sir on June 27th in a witch talk courtroom he pleaded guilty to all 10 murders I used a Roose as a
01:50:38
telephone repair man to get in their house Raider's casual Cooperative tone in the courtroom seemed strangely at
01:50:45
odds with the brutal murders he described I was still kind of in a fog I think you know it just didn't seem real
01:50:54
that this person could do these things and then for me it really hit home when he said he walked on up to the door and
01:51:00
heard the piano as I approached it I could hear a piano sound that's when I knew that you know
01:51:08
yeah that was my mom that he heard playing is that the first time you realized this really was the
01:51:14
killer but even as he was admitting what he did Dennis Raider failed to answer to
01:51:20
the biggest question of all what made him do it I remember one of the detectives saying uh the Devil comes in
01:51:27
an angel's disguise it just still doesn't seem it still doesn't seem seem 100% real to me why not that this normal look
01:51:55
you know normal average guy that's married has two kids does all the normal stuff that that he
01:52:03
could do such horrible things to so many innocent people we know Dennis Raider did do
01:52:10
these horrible things the only question is why I was able to speak with him by phone and I met with him twice in jail
01:52:19
cameras however were band this is what Raider told me he says he grew up like any other
01:52:27
child in a loving family and insists he was never abused in fact Raiders courta appointed attorney Steve osbor admits he
01:52:36
tried to find something anything from Dennis Raiders past that could somehow explain
01:52:43
BTK we talked to the family some and you know we didn't see anything that jumped
01:52:47
out at us as abnormal um no trauma no big event that would scar him or or or cause you know something
01:52:57
like this to happen yet as young as seven or eight years of age Raider told me and
01:53:04
investigators he became fascinated with inflicting pain on living things he started with animals as a young boy he
01:53:13
first became aroused when he was at his grandparents farm and and they would um uh kill chickens for um for feeding the
01:53:25
family and he became very fixated on the death of those animals and it gets stranger while other
01:53:35
boys of his generation looked up to baseball players Raiders says his hero was Harvey glatman a serial killer who
01:53:43
targeted young single women in Hollywood he was executed in 1959 when Raider was
01:53:49
just 14 but glatman became an inspiration for the boy who would grow up to terrorize
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Witchita remember Annette Funicello Raider told detectives quote she was my favorite fantasy hit Target
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when she was on the mousers raer imagined how he would kidnap the star mousketeer and quote do sexual things to
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her in California reader told me that as he got older he collected detective pulp
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magazines depicting women in bondage that the act of tying up a human body became an obsession an obsession that he
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managed to keep secret from everyone he knew even when he began killing at the age of 29 for all these years he seemed
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just like anybody else here he might have been someone you talked to you might have been standing next to him
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here in the library right right this is author Robert batty they wereing looking
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for crazy Charles Manson somebody with a history of crime sex crimes uh mental disorders you get on the elevator with
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Charles Manson you're going to move the other side of the elevator so you get on
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the elevator with BTK you're going to smile and Nod and have a conversation you're never going to suspect this guy I
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trusted this man I mean I really trusted him during the time that Denise maddo shared an
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office with Raider at ADT you will find a homeless that 14-second phone call reporting
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Nancy Fox's homicide was replayed repeatedly on television Denise you worked with him for 11 years I did and
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you didn't recognize his voice on that I didn't phone Mr Raider would you please stand
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with counsel she also never connected the Killer's Behavior with a Dennis Raider she knew he was polite and even
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protective of women I was working around all these guys sharing a restroom with him I was the only woman and he always
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wanted to make sure that they put the lid down and no dirty jokes he painted the bathroom for me because I thought it
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was a it was really gross well no I mean they were we know from Raider's own letters to police that he admired famous
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murderers like Jack the Ripper and Son of Sam but what isn't widely known is how much he borrowed from his hero
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serial killer Harvey glatman a warning what you were about to see may be very disturbing back in the 1950s glatman
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victims were beautiful young models he would lure them with the promise of a photo shoot glatman bound
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gagged and then photographed them in the moments before he strangled them Raider
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told me that's where he got the idea these are the pictures Dennis Raider took this of his last killing he shows
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her laying on the bed gagged Raider even sketched a drawing of that same victim it was with her eyes open and I very
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horrified look on her face and actually reinforcing that uh she knew of her impending
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death Raider is proud to take credit for all of this but what he didn't want the
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public to know was how far he took his obsession with bondage this is Raider he took these
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photographs of himself this one in an open grave he dug for a victim Dennis Raider did not want that evidence to
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come out he did not want people to see him in a negative light he wanted people to see him as some gentleman serial
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killer we believed that that was totally inappropriate the killing the stalking the fantasy world somehow Raider managed
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to hide it all even from the woman who thought she knew him best his wife of 33 years Paul a Raider a bookkeeper they
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appeared to be a devoted couple regularly attending church together is it possible that his wife who lived with
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him for all those years truly had no idea he was connected to this I'm convinced of it yeah what makes you say
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that I've talked to that woman that woman just to be honest is a very very nice woman a saint She is totally
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devastated I've talked to his daughter a wonderful wonderful young woman totally
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devastated by the actions of this man they had no idea how would his wife not have any idea that she was living with a
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serial killer in a 30-year period he disappeared for 10 nights in a 30-year period probably less than a lot of men
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in America but he hid so much stuff in the house and she he was pretty neat he uh he had he kept it neat he kept kept
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it orderly a lot of this stuff was at his his workplace and he's such a control freak maybe that's the
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relationship he had with his wife don't be touching my things why didn't Raider Target his wife he looked shocked when I
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asked him that question he said he didn't kill anyone he knew that his victims were just objects he did say
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however that his wife was terrified of BTK and that he once reassured her by telling her to keep all the windows
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doors locked I wasn't really worried he told me since I knew I was the one doing
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all the killing I'll take care of that Steve osbor believes that even if no one had discovered his well-kept secret
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Dennis Raider dog catcher scout leader Church president was planning to one day take credit for becoming
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BTK I think this was his life's work and he wanted basically to take a bow for it
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I mean this this is who he was this is what he did I don't think that he was going to go to the Grave without taking
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a bow for this what do you hope happens to Dennis Raider at this point I hope he's incarcerated for the rest of his
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life which he will be and that we never have to hear from him [Music] again it is some person within our
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community suffering from a mentality disorder leaning toward the fetish for those in wiah who lived
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through three decades of fear and [Music] grief it's like a war has ended and there's not really a victory but the
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war's over today is a day they never thought they'd see Dennis Raider is about to be sentenced for his crimes I
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could see it in his eyes and his face this guy's an animal and he's a [Music] monster to make sure raadar is put in
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prison for life the state must present evidence of his killings after we had heard what she had
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went through I know for me that's when I decided that I could be strong enough for her to sit through everything that I
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had to to get to the end of it it's the least I could do for her for stepen rord
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[Music] it is a memory he has tried so hard to [Music] forget I see the same thing all my life
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my mom laying there on that bed me looking over that door until now this is the only way
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Steve rord could release the Ang and grief he has known since his mother was killed by Raider in
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1977 will it be over after the sentencing for you no it will never never be over ma'am never until this son
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of a [ __ ] is dead my mom was my life man he took it from me good morning pleas satisfying for you
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any point are you guys feeling this morning with the sentencing about to begin rord
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and the other families arrived to finally confront the man who caused them all so much pain I waited 14 years I
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want him to hear my statement I want him to hear what I have to say district attorney Nola Fon hopes to expose the
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real man behind the killer who was invisible and once seemed Invincible this is a man who is
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twisted and the community needed to see that all right thank you please be seated it is a day and a half of Mind
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numbing testimony he strangled her by tying the Rope tightly around her neck put a plastic bag over her
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head did Mrs Davis put up any resistance or fight there was nothing that she could do he stated that it took
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approximately 2 to three minutes for her and she felt no more pain finally my name is Charlie o Terell
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my name is Beverly pla the families get their chance to speak I want him to suffer as much as he made his victim
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suffer although we have never met you have seen my face before it is the same face you murdered over 30 years ago the
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face of my mother Julio Terell for the last 5,000 326 days I have wondered what it would be like to confront the walking
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Cesspool that took my my mother's precious life if I had your devil nature I would Delight in the fact that your
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congregation has turned its back on you that your wife has divorced you that your own children have disowned you you
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have now lost everything and you will forever remain nothing thank you your honor my name is Steve rord charlee
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vanan was my mother after waiting 28 years for this moment I'd just like for him to suffer for the rest of his life
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words fil Steve rord and you know I so your honor uh my name is Bill wagerle Bill werly too is
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overwhelmed as his daughter speaks from her broken heart it's been almost 19 years now that my brother and I had the
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most important woman in our life lives taken from us it's not fair that we had so little
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time with her it's not fair that she doesn't get to see me with her grandchildren my mother begged for her
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life yeah he showed no remorse if the families hop to see that remorse from Dennis Raider today they
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didn't get it some of them weren't even willing to sit and hear him speak and simply walked out
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can you okay uh know the victim's families will never be able to forgive me I hope somewhere deep down eventually
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that'll happen when he finally apologizes a final apologize to the victim's families there's no
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way that I can ever repay him his closing words ring Hollow it's pitiable for Mr Raider to stand here here looking
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all pale and pasty and say how sorry he is you know gosh I'm really sorry well what else do you say after you killed 10
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[Music] people at the time of the murders Kansas had no death penalty you Dennis L Raider
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be taken by the sheriff of SED County so the judge gave Raider the maximum sentence
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175 years they're coming down the road they're now on Prison property and if the families get their way Dennis Raider
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and BTK will just fade into the past I hope that people will not correspond with him have anything to do with him
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that would probably be a greater suffering to him than if he was put to death or tortured or whatever
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