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[Music] This search for Germaine Austin Charlo continued today in the Missoula area.
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This is a 23-year-old mother of two. We get a missing person advisory probably maybe a couple times a month and 98% of
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those people who are reported missing are going to be found or their case is resolved. It is unusual just to have
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somebody vanish. Germaine Charlo was 23 years old when she vanished on June 16th, 2018.
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She was very active on social media. Hi. For those of you who don't know me, I'm
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Jermaine. This is now going to be my blog about me and whatever I do. She posted about
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everything. None of this is scripted. Oreo. I don't like fake like food, makeup.
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This is what I'm doing. This is where I'm going. I'll have a better vlog tomorrow because I'm going grocery
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shopping. So, like for her like to not be active on social media, then I knew something was not right.
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So, on the evening of June 15, 2018, Germaine was downtown Missoula, uh, socializing at some bars,
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and she was last known to be alive in the alley, uh, behind one of the bars. Charlotte is a Native American woman.
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She's 5' 8 and weighs 130 lb. She was last wearing blue jeans. We started thinking about, okay, did she make it
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back on the reservation? Did she not make it back on the reservation? The reservation itself is 1.319
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million acres. It's mountainous. There's numerous rivers. There's numerous predators.
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And every hour, day, minute, that search area expands. I think there's always that hope that
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she's out there somewhere. You didn't know Germaine? I didn't know Germaine. I dream about her. I think
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about her. But what does she represent to you? She definitely represents our people. This is one of many cases in
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Montana. I know how to take pictures and visual representation of any issue is huge. That red hand you can't not see.
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It shouts out, "We're not going to take this anymore." Germaine has become the western Montana
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face of missing and murdered indigenous people. And now we're to the point where
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it's the first anniversary. It's the second, the third. And you've been living in limbo for 6 years. Yeah. I
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miss her. I'm never going to say, "Oh, you know what? I'm going to stop searching for
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her." She's out there somewhere. But where? What do you need to solve this case? I feel like I got this puzzle in
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front of me, but I don't have all the pieces on the table quite yet. One or two pieces could break the case. Someone
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out there knows. Someone out there knows what happened to Germaine Charlo. And they're just not talking. Come forward.
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We know you're there. Be brave. [Music] [Music] on Highway 93 on route to Missoula.
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It's hard to miss this billboard [Music] and Germaine Charlo's haunting gaze. When I see that billboard,
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I'm frustrated. Missoula police detective Guy Baker has been searching for Germaine for more
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than six years. We've just time and time again come up empty-handed. These are the last known images of
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Germaine Charlo. They were captured on surveillance video on Friday, June 15th, 2018 in downtown Missoula.
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There's Germaine chatting with people outside a bar called the Badlander. A little before midnight, Germaine walks
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away from the camera, a man by her side and disappears into the night. Six years
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later, with no arrests and no publicly named suspect, police released the video to 48 hours, hoping to generate leads.
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Someone out there knows what happened to Germaine Charlo. Germaine walks out of view, so maybe somebody saw something
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that has never thought about contacting us. So if anybody has any information about that night or any aspect of this
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investigation, I encourage them to call me. For Germaine's aunts, Danny Matt and
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Valinda Morv, this painful ordeal began on Saturday, June 16th, 2018 with a call
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from Germaine's grandmother. She was very close with my mom. My mom's actually the one who had called me and
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said, "Have you heard from Germaine?" And I said, "No." Why? Hello, I'm back. Um, the family
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says Germaine never went anywhere without her phone, so it would be unusual for her not to text or call.
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They knew she had been in Missoula. So, I kept calling her, calling her. And when she didn't answer her phone,
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Danny had a feeling something wasn't right. We'd called to the hospitals, to the shelters, anywhere we could think of
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just cuz it was not natural for her to not talk to my mother like she did on a daily basis. She disappeared without a
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trace. Nothing. The family was sick with worry. No one had heard from her, and she had not
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returned to her home on the Flathead reservation about 40 miles from Missoula. On Monday, June 18th, 48 hours
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after Germaine was last seen, Belinda contacted authorities for help. Because she went missing out of Missoula, I had
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called Missoula Police Department to let them know she had gone missing. There was like no sense of let's make
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sure that we check all the boxes and make sure that we've done everything that we can to make sure she's safe. The
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family also contacted the Flathead Reservation Police. We try to get as much information out there as we can.
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Try to get flyers, pictures, whatever we can do out there. Police Chief Craig Couture. As the days go on, people
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started thinking, "Hold on, maybe there is more to this than just she's gone." Then on June 20th, 4 days after Germaine
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disappeared, Belinda made the drive from the Flathead reservation to the Missoula
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Police Department, officially filed a missing person's report and met with a detective assigned to Germaine's case.
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He did his due diligence and he checked the hospitals and the homeless shelters.
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I was told that she was not in immediate danger. Belinda knew in her heart Germaine was
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in immediate danger. Frightened and frustrated, the family reached out again. Thank you so much for
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being here today. Volunteer searches were organized. I've been on a couple of the searches. Describe them to me.
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They're heartbreaking. Jen Murphy is an educator living in Montana. Every little step that you take, it's a
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grid search, so you can't be any farther than an arms length apart so that you don't miss anything. Yep. You come upon
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anything that looks out of place. So, grid searching a mountain with trees that are right next to each other is
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almost impossible. During one of those searches, she met Valinda. How would you describe your
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bond with Valinda? She's like a sister to me now. So, her pain is your pain. Absolutely. Mhm. They're
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continuing to investigate the disappearance of 23-year-old Germaine Charlo. Here is another look at her
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right now. If you have any information on her disappearance. After Germaine had been missing for
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about 10 days, Detective Guy Baker, who just come back from vacation, volunteered to take over the case. Is it
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unusual for someone to go missing in Missoula? Uh, no. No. I think we have sometimes multiple people per week, 97
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98% statewide reported missing people are found. So, it's that 2% that are the difficult ones.
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Baker was concerned Germaine's case was among that difficult 2%. Then in mid July, one month after her
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disappearance, there seemed to be a new and disturbing development. Missoula police are concerned that a
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missing Dixon woman might be held somewhere against her will. Tonight, they're continuing to investigate the
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disappearance of 23-year-old Germaine Charlo, who also goes by the name Liz. We had some information early on that
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there might have been some people in Missoula from out of state that were trying to buy a girl and I was thinking
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there was a connection there. There are thousands of rural areas and miles to go across this state
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and there are people who are extremely vulnerable. Missoula County Deputy Attorney Britney
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Williams. Human trafficking is a huge problem nationwide, but how does it differ in Montana?
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I would say it differs from a lack of knowledge. I think people have an idea that Montana is rural and undeveloped
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and we don't have major crimes that occur here, but the fact of the matter is we have one of the largest
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interstates that runs through our state right here through Missoula, Montana. There are people who
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can be swept away in an instant and because of lack of GPS or cell towers, you might never hear from that person
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again. In a matter of minutes, they could be gone and they could be trafficked to another
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state, potentially another country. If Germaine Charlo was a victim of trafficking, could law enforcement find
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her? While Detective Baker was investigating the possibility Germaine Charlo may have
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been a victim of sex trafficking, her family was desperately trying to get her back home. We called her phone, it seems
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like a million times over. tried to Facebook, FaceTime. [Music] Even from the time she was a little kid,
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she had like the best personality. She's very outgoing, beautiful, resilient, animal lover.
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Oh gosh, the list of pets she had is I think she had like a flying squirrel or something. And then a pig. She had two
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pigs. She's very outdoorsy. She had always loved to be by the river and fishing.
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Valinda was only 10 when her niece Germaine was born. Soon they were as close as sisters. When she was born, I
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didn't like her at all. I was the baby of the family and she stole my thunder. And then one day my
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grandma was cooking and Germaine, she needed to be fed and my grandma's like, "Hold this baby." I was like, I remember
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like looking at I was like, "All right, you're not that bad." And then from that
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day on, she was my baby. She was my baby sister. Germaine was creative and imaginative.
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She was an amazing artist. Her dream was to attend the Institute of American Indian Arts in New Mexico. On her
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YouTube channel, she was like using fingernail polish to make an octopus. She would like crochet grocery bags to
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try to save the environment. That girl could do anything she set her mind to. I swear she was so smart and so talented.
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She grew up on the Flathead reservation. Got the confluence of the Flathead and Jackal rivers. You've got the bison
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range right next to you and mountains, you know, as far as you can see. A really strong sense of community. And
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Germaine Charlo's roots run deep on this reservation. She's a member of the Confederated Salish and Coutney tribes
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and a descendant of Chief Charlo known for his peaceful resistance during the 1870s when the tribe was forced to move
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from their ancestral land in Montana's Bitterroot Valley to the Flathead Reservation.
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We are on tribal land. Yes, Germaine lived in this orange house over here. Germaine was balancing life while
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co-parenting her two young sons, Jacob and Thomas. Her relationship with their father was strained. Oh, she was a great
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mother. Her world evolved around those boys. She wanted to teach them all about fishing and hunting, take them to the
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fair, try to give them the best life she knew how. Germaine had been working at the Big River Cantina on the Flathead
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Reservation. She was hoping to find work as a seasonal firefighter and had an interview scheduled, but she didn't show
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up. Is she the first native woman to disappear from the Flathead Reservation? No. Missoula County Deputy Attorney
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Britney Williams knows it all too well. In Montana, indigenous persons make up only about 6% of the population, but 24%
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of the state's active missing person's cases. Would you consider it to be an epidemic? I would. Yes. And is there any
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indication why? I think that there's that's a very complex question. There's a lot of history there. I think there's
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just so many different factors that go into each missing person, from domestic violence to human trafficking to poverty
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to homelessness. As law enforcement began digging deeper into Germaine Charlo's disappearance,
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they would rule out the possibility the 23-year-old mother of two had been a victim of trafficking. That was
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initially a avenue of investigation. Ultimately, I don't believe that she was trafficked. Why? I think that we have
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enough evidence through this investigation that lends itself to believe something else
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has happened to her. Germaine posted this Tik Tok video lip-syncing lines from a TV show together. Together. Yeah.
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The day she disappeared. It's the same image seen in her missing poster billboard. She's wearing the same
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clothes in the surveillance video. Detective Baker discovered the video early in his investigation and he shared
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excerpts of it with us. He told us that the man standing behind Germaine was Michael Def France, Germaine's ex and
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the father of their two children. He agreed to speak with police without a lawyer. You believe Michael de France
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was the last person to see Germaine Charlo. That's what the investigation has determined and he told us that.
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According to police, sometime around midnight, Michael and Germaine walked away and got in his 2011 brown Dodge
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truck. He said that uh they left the downtown area and that he dropped her off and that that ended their night
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together. According to law enforcement, Michael de France stated he dropped Germaine off at
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the Orange Street Food Farm. Michael de France did this because Germaine stated that her friend Cassidy lived nearby and
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Germaine was going to spend the night there. Michael de France dropped Germaine off at approximately 0100
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hours. Police didn't find a Cassidy, but they learned Germaine had been visiting
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Missoula regularly because she was dating a man named Jacob who lived in that neighborhood.
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They had met on a dating app and they weren't together for very long, but it seemed like they had a very strong
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connection and he was just totally infatuated with her. Authorities say Jacob was out of town miles away in
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another state. Belinda says he and Germaine were texting each other that night before she disappeared. Her plan,
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according to like her message to him, was that she was going to go back to his place that night cuz he was out of town.
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According to law enforcement, when Jacob attempted to call Germaine shortly before 1:00 a.m. on June 16th, he
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thought it was strange because the phone rang several times before it went to voicemail. Jacob felt that somebody
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purposely ended the call. And this particular call that was made to her has been shown through the carrier to have
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been silenced by someone. Jacob also told police that the day before she disappeared, Germaine told
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Jacob that Michael had been yelling at her, asking if she was dating anyone and wanted to get back together with her.
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Police say Jacob cooperated with the investigation and was never considered a suspect.
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It's unsettling to see Germaine Charlotte socializing that night and Michael de France, the last known person
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to see her alive and not know what they were talking about or what may have been
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going on between them. Michael de France has not been named as a suspect in Germaine's disappearance.
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We showed the surveillance video to Valinda and Danny. They're seeing it for the first time. And there she is. For
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her to be walking in front of him, it seems like he keeps like trying to catch up to her. They sense Germaine was
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sending a message about Michael de France and she's, you know, we got to go our separate ways.
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[Music] Germaine Charlo never went anywhere without her phone, so it was crucial for
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investigators to find it. We got cell phone data linked to Germaine's cell phone that indicated it was active on
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the night she disappeared. And it was active multiple times, uh, primarily between the hours of 2:00 a.m. and up
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until just about 10:00 a.m. on the 16th of June. And where was the phone? So, the phone's never been recovered, so we
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don't know where the phone was, but judging by the information we got from the tower, it was most definitely north
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of Missoula, and it was in the area of Ever Hill. Ever Hill is on the Flathead Reservation. It's a rugged area with
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lots of trees and wildlife, and it's a place Michael de France knows well. He lives specifically up on the Ever Hill
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area. He was the last person to be with Germaine Charlo before her life as we know it came to a standstill. Searches
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have been conducted on Evero Hill, but Germaine was not found. There's always that hope that she's out
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there somewhere. Germaine's family came up with the idea to put her missing poster on a billboard. Jen Murphy
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expanded the family's mission to include more missing indigenous women. I currently am doing a project with
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billboards throughout Montana and throughout the United States. I try to have billboards as close to our
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reservations as possible. Trying to make sure that speaking to the perpetrators too, like we see you. The investigation
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into Germaine's disappearance is just one of many cases of missing and murdered indigenous women known as MMIW.
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In 2019, the Justice Department created a task force to investigate cases of missing and murdered indigenous people
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around the country. Social media has helped to ignite the movement. And this is the case of Germaine Charlo. At the
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2024 Emmy Awards, Reservation Dogs actor and nominee Defro Wunat was on the red carpet. Yeah, this is representing this
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is red palm print representing missing and murdered indigenous women. Bringing attention to the crisis. I feel like
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we're all of the human race and should be looked for the same. It's not like we're asking for special treatment.
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We're just asking for the same treatment. We're not going to stop looking for our people.
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We're not. Our lives matter. As a photographer, Jyn Murphy is using her lens to open the aperture to the
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MMIW crisis. This photo shoot with Vina Little was in the same alley where Germaine was last
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seen. Starts out with praying and trying to set yourself right. We offer a moment
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of silence in a space for our sisters. It's a painting on the paint. Just relax your hand. Okay. Then
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just put your hand just straight down. What does the red hand mean? The red hand print really symbolizes our people
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being silenced. How we have always been looked at differently and that our people have not
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been heard in the same way that other people are. That's a harsh reality and it has been since the beginning of time,
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since colonization. Germaine's family can't help but wonder about how her case was treated in those
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critical early days in the investigation. When I reported her missing, there was no sense of urgency.
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I don't know if it's because she's over 18 or because she was drinking or the fact that she was Native American. Lead
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detective Guy Baker can't speak to those first days of the investigation. Remember, he didn't get the case until
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10 days after Germaine disappeared, but he's well aware that some missing person's cases do get more attention
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than others. You know, just look at our national media. Gabby Patito goes missing and uh look at the national
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exposure she got for a week or two for a Caucasian female and how many missing Native American females went missing in
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that same time period and got nothing. So, I've made a concerted effort to keep Germaine relevant.
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It's Baker's hope that by releasing the surveillance video to 48 hours, he'll gain new leads for Valinda and Danny. Do
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you see her? Yeah. Being social, silly, being herself. It's the last glimpse of Germaine's life the night she
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disappeared. Germaine, her bubbly self. It's beautiful just to see her. Um, hurts at
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the same time, but um so full of life. Then they zero in on the man standing behind Germaine here. Yep. Michael def
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France introduces him. Then he's got his arms crossed like and rolls up his sleeves like trying to
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intimidate whoever the dude is that she's talking to. Does it tell you anything? It kind of
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shows me his demeanor that night. Looks like he's in a rush to leave and that he's annoyed that she's her attention
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isn't focused on him. Danny was surprised and relieved to see there were other people, potential witnesses in the
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alley that night. There's a lot of people, which reassures me that somebody knows something. Somebody's seen her.
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Somebody's got to know what that conversation was. Detective Baker says he spoke with
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several of the people seen on the video, but because this investigation is still
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active, he wouldn't say much about what he learned. I'm hoping that maybe by chance somebody saw them and just has no
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idea that she's been missing and says something and that is just like the small missing piece
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that we need. Authorities needed a break in Germaine's case to learn more about her life. They
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would take a closer look at her past and they would discover her relationship with Michael de France wasn't just
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strained, it had been dangerous. [Music] While authorities did not name Michael de France as a suspect in Germaine's
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disappearance, they did want to learn more about the couple's relationship. They started at the beginning. Germaine
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Charlotte was 14 when she met 16-year-old Michael de France in 2010 when his family moved in across the
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street. They both enjoyed fishing on the river and taking long walks. The teens were practically inseparable,
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but there were red flags. I don't remember why I had her phone, but like I had found some explicit
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photos of her on her phone. Like you know I had mentioned to Michael I was like she was never like this before like
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you know this is not okay. This is not something that you guys should be sharing at your age. What was his
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reaction? He didn't really say much. Despite family disapproval, Germaine continued to see Michael de France. Then
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in April 2013, just two weeks shy of Germaine's 18th birthday, Valinda got a harrowing call. There was an incident
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where um she had called me and said, "Auntie, I need you down here. Michael, hit me." According to court documents,
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Michael de France, who was 19, admitted he assaulted Germaine. On 414 2013 in Sanders County, I caused bodily injury
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to my girlfriend. The documents also state how he hurt Germaine. The defendant made the following admissions.
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that he hit her three times, that he used his fist. It was hard to hear that and see her go through that and the
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emotional phone calls and the conversations that followed. You know, she was a kid.
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Def France plead guilty to partner family member assault. He wouldn't serve any jail time, but he would be
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prohibited from possessing firearms. Despite the violence, Germaine and Michael Defran remained together.
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Germaine's family says she was staying with Def France in a camper on his parents' property.
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A few months later, Michael def France left town to work as a seasonal firefighter.
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I'm home alone for two more weeks. So, everyday vlog will probably be only me until my boyfriend slash fianceé gets
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home from work. Germaine, alone, lonely, and living in a camper, began sharing her world on YouTube. I usually don't do
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much. I'm just supposed to be a house boy. She was very good about hiding pain and
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tried to pretend like everything was okay. Soon they were young parents raising their two boys, but Valinda says the
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violence continued. Multiple times of getting phone calls and going down to make sure she was
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okay. And it was hard for us to watch her go back. But that's what happens to a lot of women who are victims of
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domestic violence. They'd break up and make up and break up and make up. According to Danny, the couple
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eventually broke up for good in 2017. Michael still wanted Germaine to do as Michael said. And so when Germaine
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started to create a life without him, um it seems like things got worse for her.
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She was the mother of his kids and had to kind of walk on eggshells around what Michael wanted or how, you know, he
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pictured her or wanted her to be as a mom. In early 2018, just months before her disappearance, Germaine and Michael
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had a heated custody battle over the boys. According to her family, Germaine had
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limited resources. Michael de France, it seemed, had more. He had an attorney. She didn't have an
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attorney. Germaine was working hard to find stability with work. A judge decided the kids would live with
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their father and she would have visitation rights. The parenting plan says her family was stressful for
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Germaine. Shayla Russell noticed a change in her cousin's behavior. Michael had the boys and so she was
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lonely and scared for her safety. She was scared for her safety. Yeah. She would talk about having nightmares or
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being scared to be alone. 48 Hours requested an interview through Def France's attorney. He declined our
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request. In their effort to find Germaine, authorities secured numerous search warrants, including at least two on
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Michael de France's property. But because this is an active investigation, many of the search
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warrants have been sealed. Dozens of searches for Germaine over the last 6 years. There have been canine
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searches. Canines who are trained to detect bodies. Every place that we've searched has not
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yielded the evidence that would give us the answer. What do you think happened to her and why? All I can say without
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compromising the investigation is I think Germaine's disappearance is a result of a criminal action and somebody
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knows what happened to Germaine and we need their their assistance. Somebody knows something. Something that always
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baffled Baker is what happened to Germaine's cell phone. Turns out Michael to France provided an answer.
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[Music] Evero Hill is the last known area where Germaine's cell phone was active.
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According to investigators, it was pinging between 2 and 10:00 a.m. the morning after she was last seen. It's a
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very heavily forested area, lots of different wildlife, and then one sole highway that runs through the top of
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Ever Hill. It's the area where Germaine's ex, Michael de France, was living. In his initial statement to police, he
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said that he dropped Germaine off in Missoula around 1:00 a.m. and that she had her phone with her.
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So why was it active on Evero Hill, roughly 14 miles north of Missoula hours later, the France changed his story and
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said her phone was with him. In a subsequent interview, he provided a statement that she left her cell phone
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and he attempted to go through her cell phone and he was unable to get into her cell phone.
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What he said he did next surprised detective Guy Baker. Def France admitted that 2 days after he last saw Germaine,
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he threw her phone away. So Mr. France had told us during one of his interviews that he discarded uh Germaine's cell
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phone in Idaho. [Music] Michael de France, then working as a truck driver, told authorities he disposed of
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Germaine's phone in Idaho at mile marker 94 on Highway 12. Law enforcement searched the area but
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never found the phone. I I have to ask why would he get rid of her cell phone? What explanation did he have?
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You can't tell me. Can't tell you. Is that unusual that someone would one admit to having a missing person's cell
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phone and then two that they would dispense with it? Yeah. Why would you get rid of his cell phone if someone was
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around to give the phone back to him? Why would he have her phone? Why would he destroy it? Throw it out at mile mark
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or what the hell ever? I I don't understand. I wouldn't say Michael de France is not a person of interest. I
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would say that I'm not at liberty to say who is or who is not a person of interest.
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No suspects have been named in connection with Germaine's disappearance. Police are now considering the case a
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nobody homicide. But without a body, prosecuting a homicide is a challenge. I think it's important for everyone to
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know that you only get one bite at the apple here, only one shot. And so I want to gather as much information to ensure
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a successful prosecution should we meet that crossroad. It's my belief that we are close to
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moving forward in this case. Moving forward meaning filing charges against a suspect.
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If it ultimately is determined that this is criminal means, absolutely. Germaine and her family deserve answers
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and it is my hope that someone comes forward, provides us some new lead that can lead to justice.
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I have my cell phone on that billboard, not just the police department's main number, cuz I want someone to call me
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because I want the information. The billboard's location was important to Danny and Valinda.
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It looks out toward the reservation and Evero Hill where Michael de France was living with
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Germaine's two sons. I know that Michael would probably have to take that route to come to Missoula. And I thought,
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well, the boys might not be able to see her in person, but that picture will be there, and Jacob and Thomas could see
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their mother every time they drove by there. I hope through out these years that Thomas and Jacob haven't forgot who
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their mother is, and I hope they know that she loves them very much. In Missoula, there's a different
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billboard. This one showing Valinda's face. Her photo stands as a stark reminder of the
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ongoing crisis of missing and murdered indigenous women. It took me a long time to do that photo
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shoot because I don't want people thinking that like I want attention on myself. It's not
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about me. It's about Germaine. We will no longer be silent about our women going missing.
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We have to fight for justice for our loved ones. Do you still plan on searching for Germaine?
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Always. I don't care how long it takes. I'm never going to give up on her. I don't care if I have to search till
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I'm 80 years old. If this case is never solved and I retire, it's not going away in my mind.
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That'll be one of those things that will be with me until the day I die. That weighs on us. That weighs on our
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tribal council. Everyone here thinks about it. Six winters have passed since Germaine
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disappeared. Today is Germaine Charlo's birthday. Danny and Belinda no longer believe she
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is alive. So I have a gift of when my family makes it to the other side. When my grandma
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passed away, she came and told me she made it. When my grandpa passed away, he told me
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he made it. and had this dream and Germaine was there and she's like, "I just wanted to
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tell you I found grandma and grandpa and I'm fine and she gave me a hug and she turned to
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walk away and I said, "Gerine," and she goes, "What?" I was like, "Where's your body?" And she
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looked me dead in the eyes. She said, "It's an evero." She's like, "I love you, but I have to
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go. [Music] I can only describe it as evil. Something horrible from 48 hours. This
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is Train to Kill the Dog Trainer, the Aerys, and the Bodyguard. He couldn't control his obsession. Who was the
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