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there were two of us that really even throughout all this conflicting testimony uh you just really had a feeling that
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Michael Ferrara was partially responsible for what happened to John McCade but you couldn't get that across
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H boy I wish I could have did you try we tried of course we did what what argument did you use well the best
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argument obviously is why does anybody admit to being involved in a murder when they had nothing to do with it and
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that's what Edward Brown did Brown said he was there yes that just makes no sense and you would you would argue that
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to the other jurors and they would say what they would say he's not a credible witness right off the bat um probably
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two hours into our deliberations we took a vote it was 10 to two I was one of the
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two you wanted to convict him of something yes yes I really felt that he had taken part in
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this man slaughter wasn't an option which you really felt like it probably was so we were really
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dissecting uh two of us were anyway everybody else seemed like they were pretty pretty firm and not guilty were
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you surprised when Walter Shelly was convicted same evidence same Witnesses I certainly was I think I know
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the answer to this but were you pleased of course I was we got part of it right