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[Music] [Applause] in January of 1978 I was 20 years old I lived in the kega sority house on the
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FSU campus in [Music] Tallahassee I was happy I was with my other friends and Florida State was just
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a safe place to be when I moved into the sorority house my roommate was Karen Chandler when I was at FSU it was very
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laid-back it was just a great time classes had been going on for about a week and everyone was moved in to the
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house Saturday January 14th I walked home and and I got in this sority and there were kids talking about you know
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where they're going tonight what are they doing who they're dating what party and then I saw my book sitting on the
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trunk and I said you know I have a test on Monday I'm going to go ahead and stay
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home and study tonight my roommate Karen came in at the same time and she had a sewing project
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she had to do so she sat in her bed next to mine and we talked for a little while and
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then Kathy was tired so I just went ahead and decided to go to bed it was maybe around midnight maybe a little bit
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before midnight that night I heard our bedroom door slam open I was opening my eyes a
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little bit because it kind of brought me into Consciousness and I'm awake enough
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to know someone's there as I'm opening my eyes more and focusing he raised his arm and he had something in his hand I
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thought it was a pipe or a stick I didn't know what it was he came down and hit me in the
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face it just felt like pins and needles and knives in my face my roommate Karen was now
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stirring and he went over and hit her I'm still awake and I'm moving so he came back to my side of the bed and as I
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see him raise his arm up this bright light Shone into our room and this light was a car from one
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of the sorority sisters coming home from a late date he got spooked and he left the
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room the next thing I remember is the feeling like I was being lifted downstairs and I remember asking if
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Kathy was okay and them saying she's going to be okay you need to worry about yourself our detectives tried to track a
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man who slipped into a most coeds here terrified they put me on the stretcher and there was all this noise there were
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the um lights from the police cars and the ambulance police say he simply walked in through an unlocked door
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people talking and the radio squawking they say he was was armed with a heavy Oak L and I thought I was at a
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carnival because my mind went to somewhere I could understand my name is Kathy Kleiner and I was attacked by Ted
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[Music] Bundy [Music] [Music] the early morning hours of January the 15th 1978 I got a call and the call
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basically said Sheriff uh there's multiple murders and assaults uh on girls uh they told me it was at the KY
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Omega house I was [Music] stunned before I could get myself settled into criminal investigator Ken casares as my
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role as Sheriff I I I had to get over my personal thoughts about these could be my own
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daughters I was there before Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler were brought out on gurns I said prayers for both of
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them as they passed me I didn't know if they were alive or deceased at the time they told me two were definitely
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deceased inside I knew I woke up in intensive care I didn't have any idea for sure why
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I was there but I knew something bad had happened I had at least one skull fracture I think every bone in my face
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was broken and my jaw was broken um I had a broken arm and I had a couple of fingers on on my hand hand that were um
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crushed maybe I had been in my room for a day or two and my parents were afraid of what
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was going to be on the TV so my dad said before we turn on the TV I need to tell
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you something and he told me about Lisa and Margaret Margaret Bowman 21 and Lisa
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Levy 20 had been killed just down the hall from Karen Kathy's room in the sorority house they had both been
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strangled beaten and sexually assaulted I can't imagine how horrible that was for hurt their parents
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and it was very hard because I really couldn't express my grief and my sorrow to their
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families my jaw was broken in three places here here and here um it was hanging on this joint the
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jaw um what they did was put my jaw back together and wire it shut in the hospital Kathy could remember nothing
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about the attack she says those memories have slowly come back to her over the years I remember the detectives were in
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my room first off before my family even showed up asking me questions but I was not able at all to help the detectives
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it was just a big blur a big to me but it turned out the Kyo Mega house had not been the only crime scene that
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night we were outside uh that evening when all of a sudden I get a radio communication from the sheriff's office
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that there is something going on at a duplex a young lady who lived there alone uh and the next door neighbor
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hearing some beating some sounds this is going on on less than six blocks away I
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sent an investigator there and found Cheryl Thomas on the floor in Blood and had been beaten badly
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Cheryl Thomas was a dance major at FSU like the kai Omega victims she suffered severe head injuries and was taken to
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the hospital in a coma I thought could this be the same individual and I said how we've got such
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a police presence how could that person go just a few blocks and strike again it
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was inconceivable I got a call from Colorado about an escaped uh criminal named Ted
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Bundy I was familiar with the name they said do you know Ted Bundy I said I've heard of him Theodore Bundy a suspect in
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the raped murder cases of at least 36 young6 rapes and murders mostly in the West 7year period they said we don't
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know where he is Bundy was on the FBI's 10 most wanted list and I wrote his name
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down on a legal pad in my car Ted Bundy it was the first name associated with the murders in
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Tallahassee Ted Bundy was known to lure women away with his charm and then abduct them or pick them up at a bus
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stop and say can I give you a ride I did not think that the method of operation of this Cas was anything near similar
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except for an attack on girls so I did not take that at that time as serious when I woke up in the
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Tallahassee hospital I I couldn't really tell you who I was or what where I was I know I had head pain and um my
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face was very swollen my mom and and dad had to tell me what had happened because
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I I really did not know I couldn't remember what happened and they had to slowly break the news to me Cheryl you
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were attacked Cheryl's jaw was broken in two places her shoulder dislocated and she had five skull fractures leaving her
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permanently deaf in her left ear I felt very grateful because obviously if I had
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not had the two neighbors next store to call that night when they heard me crying and a a beating kind of sound I
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know I wouldn't I would not have survived as the news sunk in across the FSU Community Cheryl remained in the
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hospital Karen recovered at her parents home nearby and Kathy went home to South
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Florida I was flown down to Miami with my family my parents took me to an oral surgeon and had to rebre my
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jaw because it was not going to be lined up correctly so now I had to be wired shut for additional 9 weeks it was so
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depressing when you have your mouth wired shut you have to always wear nail clippers on a necklace around your
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neck because if you ever start choking or anything you have to be able to cut the wires and be able to breathe as K
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Cathy and her fellow survivors healed Sheriff kasaris looked for ways to put the person who did this to them away
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searching for clues in untraditional places I did a personal examination of Margaret Bowman
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and Lisa Levy when I examined both of the bodies I found what I think was the most significant piece of evidence and
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that was a bite mark and that bite would potentially be able to be compared to whoever we found to me it was almost
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like he was leaving whoever it was a [Music] [Music] [Music] signature I think before tasse and FSU was a
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cocoon but that was sort of the shutting of a door in a way that was the end of we are
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[Music] safe that type of evil that encompassed me that night I couldn't wrap my head
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around it it just seemed surreal it didn't seem like it was possible the Innocence at Florida State was
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gone the university had asked the fraternities for volunteers and if a lady needed to go to the library or to
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campus or anywhere one of us would go and escort her to wherever she was going men started sleeping in the
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lobbies of the dormitories they were police patrolling all the time for that month no one knew if they were sitting
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next to the person that had committed the crime I mean if they couldn't tell you who did it how could they tell you
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who didn't do it as January 1978 stretched on police were stumped although they had bitemark
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evidence they had no one to match it to within a few weeks after the soror sisters were murdered we had information
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that a 12-year-old Kimberly leech dis disappeared from her school so we thought could it be
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possible but this was a 12-year-old girl we're dealing with college students in a
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sorority Kimberly leech disappeared from Lake City over an hour away her body later found by a nearby park fear of the
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unknown attacker pervaded the area until news broke of an arrest in Pensacola there was something on TV when the news
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came on police arrested this 31-year-old man after high-speed chase Wednesday morning in Pensacola Florida he claimed
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to be a Florida State University law student Pensacola Police had pulled over a Volkswagen Beetle that was driving
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slowly and the mysterious driver refused to give his name came to find out of course that the vehicle was stolen from
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a location nearby to the sorority house in that Volkswagen they found dozens of IDs and credit cards that had
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been stolen from around Tallahasse in the weeks before then the identification came
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back it was Ted Bundy the moment I heard Ted Bundy I had the flashbacks of course of the phone
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call and that's exactly what we had we had Ted Bundy who came to our town if those who link him with dozen of
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sex slings are right Theodore Robert Bundy is one of the most Savage killers in history Mr Bundy had been a very
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prolific serial killer for many many years it is very unusual for Mr Bundy to leave a
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Survivor Ted Bundy's murder spree out west ended when he went to prison in 1976 but at the end of 1977 he had
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escaped and made his way to Florida Florida St immediately after his arrest he became a suspect in both the FSU and
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Kimberly leech attacks we know that he got here somewhere in the vicinity of January the eth he rented a boarding
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room in a boarding house adjacent to the Florida State University campus Bundy was at home on a college campus around
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the time of his crimes out west Bundy had attended college and even Law School when Mr Bunny was in school he took jobs
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working for political campaigns and apparently did an extraordinarily good job there was absolutely no indication
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that he was the serial killer that he ultimately turned out to be his charm his wit no fool his
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intelligence his Charisma everything about him made him different than all the other serial
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killers the first photo I saw of Ted Bundy after they arrested him he didn't look like a
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serial killer he looked normal the survivors learned more about who Ted Bundy was and the brutality of
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the crimes he was suspected of committing his history was a shock I think when I learned about those
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women it's just an immense sadness there are all these families that are devastated in the months after the
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attacks while the Florida authorities were building their case the survivors slowly began to move forward with their
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lives for Karen Chandler that surprisingly meant moving back into the Kaio Mega house when I came back they
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gave me space they didn't it wasn't like they treated me as a special china doll
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that they could T to I felt like everyone treated me pretty much like they had treated me
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before so life just sort of continued on like I had never left Cheryl the former dance student was
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now suffering from balance issues and didn't know what her future would look like I knew I couldn't hear again but I
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asked the neurologist would I ever be able to dance again he said that's totally up to you so then I knew that I
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had an option of train my body all over again or I won't dance again I made my decision I was going to
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go back and get my degree Cheryl moved to Texas and studied ballet at another University but for Kathy life took a
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different turn life totally changed for me I did not go back to college I was married 6 months after the attack my
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parents thought I needed someone to to take care of me and to be sure that nobody came in the middle of the night
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and attacked me again and um I was okay with that but as much as they wanted to they couldn't put
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Bundy behind them to bring him to Justice they needed to come face to face with their
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attacker we wanted more than anything to make sure if this was the guy that did it we want him locked up that he never
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has the opportunity to hurt another [Music] woman FBI agents and Florida police are
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questioning a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy with every passing day the media grew increasingly
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fascinated with alleged serial killer Ted Bundy he will remain in Pensacola under tight security until authorities
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can determine if he will be charged with the Florida State University murders I feel like they were so focused on Ted
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Bundy which I'm sure Ted Bundy enjoyed the media that they forgot about the women as Florida authorities
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investigated Bundy they first questioned why his method of attack would have changed he typically was organized he
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would plot pick up and then abduct the young lady and here it was obvious that he had gotten
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disorganized they developed a theory that Bundy had originally stocked and targeted Cheryl Thomas there had been a
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guy that I'd seen ride his bicycle by my house Ted Bundy looks similar so I sometimes wonder if maybe that was
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him he had no doubt case that place out and we believed that Mr Bundy went to Cheryl Thomas's residence and when he
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got there apparently there was a car that had broken down right in front and there was a man there working on the car
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he found that kind of got spooked he then went to the Kyle Mega house and when and his attack at the sorority was
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interrupted Bundy returned to Cheryl's you know I compared Ted Bundy to a killing machine like a
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shark because the shark is just feeding in a frenzy off of whatever is available
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just like the shark has the need to eat he had the need to murder their case intensified with an
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eyewitness who put Bundy at the sorority house one of the um kega sisters Nita ner came
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home that night after being out on a date she came in through the back door of the sorority house and she saw a man
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coming from the upstairs area down the stairway that would have been unusual for Nita to see a man because no men
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were allowed upstairs in the Shorty house she did not see him full face on but she saw a profile of it he opened
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the front door and immediately exited the uh sorority house Neri identified Bundy from a lineup and as the case came
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together investigators still had that key piece of evidence to analyze we crafted a search warrant to use to
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search Mr Bundy's mouth and obtain uh models of his teeth to compare against the bite mark impression that was
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left the search warrant for his mouth probably was the first in the nation's history so I went to his cell one
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evening I told him he's coming with me and he went with me to my dentist's office the doors opened up he saw that
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we were in a dental office he immediately started screaming where's my attorney I want my attorney you can't do
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this he knew exactly what we were going to be doing once we read him the search warrant for his mouth he realized that
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we could use Force he sat down in the dental chair he opened his mouth said do what you have to do Ken you know I'm not
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a violent person the state asked four Dental experts to compare Bundy's molds to the
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marks all four of them concluded that Mr Bundy was the one that left the bite mark we were confident going to the
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grand jury with the evidence that we had there was an indictment last night in the aftermath of a brutal crime in
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Tallahassee Florida and what was unusual about the indictment was how it was delivered I have copies of the
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indictment to give each of you we had Print [Music] Media Radio media television media step
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out Mr Bundy and they they were able to view the indictment reading that night what do we have here Ken let's see you
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always say an indictment on all right why don't you read it to me let's read it let's go Theodore Robert Bundy you
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are charged indictment two counts burglary in the uh two counts murder in the first degree three counts attempted
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murder in the first degree he was obviously not very happy I did not let it deter me said Theodore Robert Bundy
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did make an assault upon Karen Chandler and or Kathy Kleiner not surprisingly the former law student took an active
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role in his defense Mr Bundy took depositions from the Witnesses in the case himself it's very
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unusual but Mr Bundy did have legal training I think he was acting as the lawyer that he always wanted to be since
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I didn't remember anything about the attack I think that was helpful but my feeling at that time was I don't want to
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show him any fear because I don't want him to think anything about him bothers me is under my skin scares me he was
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sitting there um looking at me and I looked at him and I didn't take my eyes off of him
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and he had this smirk on his face it kind of made my stomach sick but also I knew I was walking out and he wasn't and
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that gave me some Power I felt like I had done my job I had answered his questions and I hope I gave him
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absolutely no satisfaction months passed as the case wound its way toward trial down in Miami Kathy Kleiner
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struggled to put herself back out in the world after I got attacked I was afraid
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of men it was something that I didn't want to have control me and I went to work at a lumber yard because I figured
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that's where I'm going to see the most men and it worked that experience helped me a lot Kathy would soon need that new
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found confidence the survivors were set to testify against Bundy but this time his life was in their
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hands to know I was going to have to testify um I think I just needed to build up my resolve and know that this
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was going to happen and be prepared as much as I could for it we locked eyes once again and I stared at him
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why do you think people are so fascinated with Ted Bundy for more on the case go to Facebook at 48
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[Music] hours I think I always knew that I was going to have to testify in court if it went to
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trial what camer going on the fourth floor get away from here you know you're not
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supposed to be here excuse me there was a total media circus we'll be standing by prosecuting
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attorney Larry Simpson and it was the first major case that actually was broadcast live evaluating it as it was
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actually going down in the courtroom only one camera fixed on the tripod tapes the courtroom proceedings his 20
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television Crews from around the country have been covering the trial get a front row se you can get it
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all there I think Mr Bunny was playing to the cameras Robert my name is he got a real kick out of
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it at trial Bundy again took an active role on his defense team Z it's enter on this motion by participating in
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his own defense Bundy and his attorneys hoped to convince the jury that he was intelligent articulate and innocent a
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victim of circumstances Bundy had a lot of interaction with the judge he argued his own motions as good as a lawyer
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could I think def young women packed the courtroom every day to see the star defendant every time he turns around I
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kind of get that feeling no no you know he's going to get me next as lead prosecutor Larry Simpson
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felt pressure at or near the cause of death to make sure sure Bundy was put away forever the cases out west were not
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particularly strong cases we know we needed to finish the job in Florida the survivors felt that pressure
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too as Cheryl Karen and Kathy each took the stand I felt it was important for the
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jury to see a real person who had been subjected to what Ted Bundy did I had um five skull fractures and
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multiple contusions in my head it was just my mission to tell my story and I just really didn't want to
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look at him didn't want to talk to him didn't want anything to do with him the defense asked is this the man
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you saw attack you that night in your room at Kai Omega and I had to say I don't
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know because I never saw his face I wanted to help put the nail in that coffin to put him away to help the
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other girls who couldn't do it I couldn't help and she was weaving in though the survivors couldn't identify
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Bundy from that night someone else could sorority sister need a nearing do you recall the man that you
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saw at the door of Kyle Mega house on the morning of January 15 1978 yes I do would you point him out
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for us please man in the dark suit with a red TI perhaps the prosecution's most daming
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evidence was that bite mark left on one of the victims this is a photograph of the bite mark and as you can see there's
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a ruler in place and this is what the forensic dentist did in court they made the mark you can actually place this
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model right on the photograph and you've got it coming in like this laying down and then he turned his head slightly and
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did it again it fits like a glove but bite mark analysis was a new and relatively
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uncertain science and the ever smiling Bundy seemed confident as the trial came to a
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close of course I was worried when it went to the jury but I knew in my heart and by
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the evidence that was there that he's the one that actually murdered my friends the jury was out a little less
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than 7 hours and returned to Verdi with the jury I'm the defendant guilty is charged the verdict that was guilty as
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charged on all counts he was convicted and now whatever sentence he got couldn't be bad enough
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as far as I was concerned it is ironic that he ended up in Florida because we were a very active death penalty state
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as hereby impos the death penalty he was sentenced to death on my birthday I don't believe the death
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penalty should be a willy-nilly kind of thing but if he had gotten out there were women that were going to die I have
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no doubt in my mind following the FSU trial Bundy was also found guilty of murdering
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12-year-old Kimberly leech and received another death sentence after the trial was over I felt that it was just going
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to be all over and no more in the news or or anything but that didn't happen it was probably
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just crazy for me to think that as Bundy sat on death row his notoriety only grew books and TV programs came out
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focusing on his good looks and charm instead of rejecting it Kathy decided to embrace it I read as much as
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I could about Ted Bundy watched all his movies because I think by learning about
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him it has helped me move forward because I wanted to just disassociate myself so that he wasn't part of me
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anymore in 1981 3 years after the attacks Kathy had a son Michael I didn't want him to know that I had been scared
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that I had been attacked I just wanted to be a normal mom with a normal kid one night I was putting him to bed
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and he looked up at me and he touched my face and he said Mommy what happened happened to your face right there and I
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told him that a bad man came into my house one night and had hurt me you just don't grasp that at a young age you
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don't really get it but you kind of do and you just feel like you know I'm not going to let anybody hurt
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[Music] you I felt that it was important to keep her safe she was such a loving person
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How could somebody do that too sorry and I think in his mind he he always carried that that it could happen
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again and would I be there you know to help my [Music] mom how do you deal with traumatic
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events for more of Kathy kleiner's Story of Survival go to 48 hours.com [Music] for most of the 1980s Ted Bundy sat on
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Florida's death row appealing his convictions in that time Kathy Kleiner went through a divorce and focused on
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her young son Michael I was a single mom for 5 years and he and I grew up together we're very very close growing
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up my mom was the most loving caring affectionate happy person she never let what happened to her get to
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her Kathy had grown accustomed to projecting a tough exterior but that softened in 1987 when
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an old high school friend came back into her life over the years I thought about
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Kathy now and then Kathy's very special and you could tell she was very special back then so I
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called him and um he came over one day for lunch on a weekend and basically never left I
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mean I felt energy from Kathy right away when we first saw each other it was just
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her smile and she really looked in your eyes and but happy eyes all that together just was like
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boom when Kathy told me a little bit about the attack by Ted Bundy it just kind of blew me away she would cry about
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it I wanted to take away all her pain and you couldn't take away this pain in her family Kathy found happiness
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and she leaned on them for support as Bundy's Appeals finally ran out at the end he was bargaining for his
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life he started confessing to murders he confessed to 30 murders and now he was trying to give information but it was
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vague I'll tell you where more women are buried please don't kill me and I can imagine those being the last words that
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he heard from his victims please don't kill me serial killer Ted Bundy scheduled to
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die in Florida's electric chair at 7:00 there was the atmosphere of a public hanging as hundreds of singing chanting
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death penalty supporters [Music] gathered when it happened we got a call we had TV on and at that point we
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saw the white flag that they hold and wave when someone has been electrocuted [Applause]
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[Music] Scott and I were sitting on our little sofa and my condo and I cried and I
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cried and I cried for all the victims that could not see [Music] [Applause] [Music]
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this long after surviving Ted Bundy Cathy is speaking publicly about her experiences
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hoping it might help others I think by telling my story it has helped to heal me but I feel that it
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also helps people to hear that I have been through something so horrific and I've come out the other side I want
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people to know no matter what they've gone through that um they too can do it there's no one way to heal from
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trauma Karen and Cheryl feel like they've talked about Ted Bundy enough I was a victim until I walked out of that
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hospital I was a Survivor until he was executed we got to come up with something that's after that it's not
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part of me anymore I want to be more than Cheryl Thomas that was attacked by Bundy I want to just be Cheryl Thomas I
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got married and I had two wonderful children I got my Master's at galludet University and worked with the hearing
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impaired and dance I've had a 40-year marriage I have two wonderful self-sustaining children I have three
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wonderful grandchildren I really don't think about Bundy anymore Cathy's Journey takes her back
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to Tallahassee for the first time in over 40 years she's come in part to thank former
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Sheriff Ken kasaris Kathy he's someone I've thought about over the years and someone who has a
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good memory you're here yeah I'm seeing you again I can't believe it thank you so much don't I'm looking forward to
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doing this this is something I needed to do together Kathy and Ken return to the
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kai Omega house totally different it's weird the swy house looks so different it doesn't bother me like I thought it
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would and your room was on the back side that's right it's okay to be here I'm okay and I'm with Ken so he's given me
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strength well thank you through everything life goes on you have to keep it going this case is about probably over a
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hundred victims that that lost their lives because of Mr Bundy as time moves forward the hope is
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that it will be the women not Bundy who are remembered he's not to be glorified he's to be
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damned they were important people they were people just like me living breathing people that had Futures
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and they're gone and we only remember this inhuman thing for Kathy and Karen the sorority
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sisters they lost are always with them I think about them occasionally when I'm with my grandchildren or when I had
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children I wonder what their lives would have been like what they would have done I feel that because I survived Ted
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Bundy and there were so many victims that didn't I don't want to take that that opportunity I was given and not do
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good with it I want to be sure that I keep going for them Ted Bundy confessed to at least 30
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murders but it is believed he may have killed over a hundred women in at least six
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[Music] states did a couple's massive home renovation Project Lead to murder did
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you guys get into an argument m is it possible that without this house Shanti might still be alive I think that's
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