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[music] My name is John O'Hare. I am a police officer with the Broomfield Police
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Department. >> Officer, how did this case begin for you? >> On December 14th of 2023.
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I was dispatched to a welfare check at the Krug household. >> Springfield dispatchers meeting.
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>> Hi there. Uh my name is Dan Krug. Dan Krug was calling and asked that we check
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on his wife Christile. >> My wife isn't responding uh to text messages or phone calls
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>> said that he had not been able to reach her for about 3 hours. >> We've had threats against us. We have
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both been targeted by a stalker. Dan said that this alleged stalker had made threats to both him and his wife
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Christile, >> which is why I'm >> Yeah. >> I'm nervous that she's not answering me.
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>> Yeah. >> The first thing I did was walk right to the front door, kind of peek inside.
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Everything looked orderly, quiet. I gave it a wild knock. [music] My thinking at the time was, it's very
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possible she's not even home. So, [music] I wanted to see if I could peek into the garage.
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Quickly realized that I'm not tall enough to see in those windows. >> I went back to my patrol car and I
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pulled it into the driveway so that I could get my push bumper close to the garage and use it as a as [music] a step
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up. I stepped up on it and looked in the window. I immediately see Christile, apparently
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lifeless. She had some type of wound to the head. >> 151 send medical. I got a female down in
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the garage. >> Rodale police. Roomfield police. >> Immediately I just checked for any signs
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of life at that point. Does she have a pulse? She does not. >> 151. >> I immediately started CPR. There was a
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stab wound on her chest. >> Send the next unit eent, please. As the paramedics arrived, I opened the garage
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door and a woman came up and I believe this woman was Christile's mother. >> I arrived.
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>> I need you to stay out, please. >> I said, "That's my daughter." >> She came running up to me and said,
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"Cristile is dead." >> It's just shocking. [laughter] >> You don't want that to be your reality.
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>> Oh my god. This can't be true. This can't be true, can it? >> It was chaos. I heard screaming coming from the top of
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the hill. >> My house. >> Hey, stay back. Stay back. Stay back. Stay back. >> This my house.
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>> I understand. >> I see a man come running down the hill. >> This is Dan. This is her husband.
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This man just lost his wife >> and he is beside himself. I'm with Dan and he's on the floor and
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he's crying. They all just kind of said, "I can't believe this happened. He did it. The
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stalker did it." >> We were on heightened alert. We were very, very concerned for Dan's safety.
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>> This is after Christile was murdered. You're worried that Dan may be next in this in this stalker's sights.
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>> Correct. We thought Dan Krug was next. >> The community was very alarmed. >> Is this a murder?
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>> There's a killer out there and we're going to go after him. >> [music] [music]
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>> It's a weird feeling standing there when somebody's being told, [music] "I'm sorry, but your loved one has died."
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Victims advocate Heather Aates is trained to comfort those in emotional agony like Dan [music] Krug who dashed
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home from work and learned his wife Christile had been found murdered in their garage in suburban Broomfield,
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Colorado on December 14th, 2023. >> This man has been going through a stalking case with his wife. He's being
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stalked as well and now she's gone. As investigators searched the crime scene for clues,
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Heather drove Dan to the police station. An officer's body camera recorded the ride.
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>> He was crouched over to the side of the passenger door, and it was very much.
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I'm comforting Dan by rubbing his back. >> Dan and Christile had been married for
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16 years. The couple, both 43, had three young children. >> What did he say in the car?
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>> In the car, he was pretty focused on the kids. He was very adamant about wanting
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to be the one to tell his children. >> Under the command of Broomfield Police Chief Ania Hempleman, investigators were
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doing everything in their power to find the killer. >> We immediately uh started doing
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interviews, talking to neighbors, canvasing. Several hours had passed since Dan Krug's emotional ride to the [music]
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police station. He had settled down and he told detectives there was nothing out
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of the ordinary that morning. >> Mornings are very routine in the house. >> He said [music] they got the kids to
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school and Christile seemed fine when he left for his job at the Colorado Department of Public Health and [music]
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Environment. While I was driving, uh, my my phone dinged. >> Dan said Christile [music]
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texted him asking if he could pick up one of the kids after school. But when he texted back and asked what time, he
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said Christile never responded. >> And that that was weird. >> So weird. So out of character for
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Christile, Dan called police and asked them to check on her. I got a female down in the garage.
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>> There are not words that can describe what you feel as a [music] parent at that point.
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>> It's probably some parents worst nightmare. >> These are some memories, aren't they?
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>> Christile's parents, Lars and Linda Grimsro. >> She was an engineer. She had incredible
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skills in math, sciences, chemistry, physics, but she also had the talents in the arts. She loved to just get out and
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live life. >> Throughout her life, Christile spent countless hours working with her dad on
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classic muscle cars in [music] his colorful garage. We'd work on the cars. We'd race the
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cars. Christile always felt very comfortable coming over here. If we needed to talk or whatever, this is
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where we would sit and just en enjoy each other's company. But those fun, casual conversations
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suddenly turned disturbing in the fall of 2023 when Christile first told her father that she was living with intense
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fear. >> She sat here and told me that she was being stalked. And that just shocked me
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when I asked her, "Well, have you talked to the police?" >> Christile had called the police and met
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with Broomfield Detective Andrew Martinez. She came into the interview room and just [music] kind of took over
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and just told me everything without hesitation. >> Their conversation was recorded.
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>> I keep trying to remind myself this is intending to be terrorizing. This is intending to scare me.
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>> Christile told Martinez that on October 2nd, 2023, she received an unsettling
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text from someone named Anthony who said he would be coming to the area and asked
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if Christile wanted to hook up. And how does she respond to that? >> She did not respond.
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>> The following day, Christile told Martinez she got more texts from Anthony that included obscenities and said, "You
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should kill yourself. Don't waste my time. >> Somebody wants to hook up now is saying,
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"Go kill yourself." [music] How do you interpret that that second text? >> It's a pretty extreme reaction to not
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getting a response. Christile told Martinez she knew an Anthony from her past. Anthony Holland,
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a boyfriend she dated for about a year after high school and into college. The two broke [music] up in the fall of
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2000. Lars and Linda say back then Anthony made a good impression. >> Very friendly, very courteous. He always
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had good manners. >> In 2002, out of the blue, Anthony contacted Christile. [music]
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According to Christile, Anthony never seemed to take no for an answer, contacting [music] her again in 2005,
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2010, and 2016 via Facebook. >> He's like, "We're meant to be together." I said, "This is really creepy for me.
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You need to stop." >> Christile deleted Facebook and thought she'd heard the last of Anthony Holland.
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>> But then came the text in 2023. >> Like, this was alarming. He's never said this kind of stuff to me before.
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Over the next two months, Christile said she received alarming message after message through text and email. They
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included threats to her and Dan, including this disturbing photo of Dan getting out of his car at work, which
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prompted Castile [music] to first come forward and call police. A few days later, this text to her. Saw
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you at dentist. See you soon. That suggests he might be surveilling them both. Right.
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>> Correct. >> This now is escalating. >> The harassment uh is just constant and
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she's just believing that every corner presents some sort of danger for her. >> To gather evidence and locate Anthony
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Holland, Detective Martinez was required to file search warrants with the phone and email companies. A slow process.
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Getting that information takes time. Sometimes those companies are reluctant or they sloww walk getting that
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information to you. Correct. >> Yes. >> Christile had been searching for Holland
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on her own. She hired a private investigator [music] and eventually located him living in Utah about 500 m
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away. Christile shared her discovery with Detective Martinez [music] who chose not to contact Holland. I
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explained to Christile that we wanted to gather as much evidence as possible and
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ideally obtain an arrest warrant so when law enforcement does go to Anony's door,
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we can take him into custody and not have to walk away. >> But Lara says Christile had been losing
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patience with the investigation. >> She made the comment that she felt uh they had abandoned her, that they
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weren't doing things aggressively enough. Christile had taken steps to protect herself and her family,
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including installing security cameras. >> She was scared. I said, "Well, this sounds serious enough that uh you need
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to start carrying. You'll use one of my guns for for right now." >> Is this the very gun that you
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>> that is the the actual gun that she initially then carried? >> Dan was also interviewed. The threats
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were taking a toll on him as well. I went to the grocery store briefly on Tuesday
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and someone behind me dropped a can and I panicked. So what am I doing? I'm panicking
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and I'm doing a lot of protecting my life. So I'm not I'm not doing good. >> Dan told Martinez the stalker had a
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nickname. We call him Kickman. >> Where'd that name come from? >> Kickman Dan had told me was because the
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suspect email that was initially contacting Christ was a Holland [email protected].
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>> As the weeks went by and Martinez's investigation continued, Lars and Linda say the constant [music] threats were
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ruining their daughter's life. >> It was just heartbreaking. She was just [music] in tears. She was just like,
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"What am I going to do? How am I going to live?" >> Did she feel she was being hunted down
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by by Anthony? >> Yes. >> Christile also shared her fears with siblings Jenna Ericson and Josh Adamson.
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>> She was terrified. >> Did she ever express to either of you the fear that this man I think is going
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to kill me? >> Yes. She said, "It's either going to be me or him that's dead, and I'm going to
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do everything in my power to make sure it's not me." When Christ was found dead in her
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garage, Detective Martinez had only one suspect in mind. My initial assumption was that Anthony Holland had uh gone to
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her home and murdered her. >> Within hours, local police descended on Holland's home in Eagle Mountain near
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Salt Lake City. >> So, you're alone in a house. What do you hear? >> Pounding out the door
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>> like >> Yeah. >> big time. >> So, I go to the door. I see like eight cops. I had no idea what was going on.
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>> Where's your ID at? Is it in my room? >> Have you ever heard of the name Crystal
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Krug? >> They asked me if I knew Crystal Krug and I told them I did know her. >> She was my very first girlfriend ever.
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>> When was the last time you talked to Crystal? Has it been a while? A minute. >> Um, it's been a minute. Yeah.
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>> When was the last time you had reached out to Crystal? >> It was around 2014 2016.
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Anthony says he'd reached out to Christile on Facebook years before. >> What are you thinking? Why would they
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come over all the way here to ask me about Christile? >> I thought it was for that message where
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I said I missed her. That's the only thing I could think of cuz I was like, I haven't contacted her since then.
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>> They didn't tell you that Christile Crew had been murdered. >> No, they did not tell me.
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>> Police were there to gather information from their suspect, not give it. >> They asked me where I was that day. Can
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I prove where I was? >> Anthony had made a purchase just hours earlier at a coal store near his home.
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>> What'd you buy? >> The sweatshirt. This one right here. >> And he still had the receipt. The
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purchase was made at 12:16 p.m. Investigators say Christile was attacked around 8 a.m.
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>> Turns out that was one of the most important purchases you have ever made. >> Cuz it was my alibi. cuz there's no way
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I could have made it from Colorado back to Utah to buy the sweatshirt. It was an 8-hour drive. Anthony also showed
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police some of his employment records. They proved he'd been in Utah all along, never traveling to Colorado, as the
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messages from Christile stalker led cops to believe. I had a bunch of receipts from my work showing the days that I
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worked and they took those took my receipt from Kohl's and went to the squad car and made a phone call. Came
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back in and told me I was free to go. >> You have a better day. Okay. >> Back in Colorado, Dan was still face tof
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face with investigators. He told them his theory of the crime. >> So in my brain, the story that I have is
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someone came to the door. Maybe she went outside to get a package and they must have come in. And she's
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she's a fighter. She's she is strong. She would have fought Earlier in the interview, Dan requested
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he tell the children what had happened to their mother. >> Your kids do not know yet.
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>> Okay. >> Here. Arrive in the hall. I should >> You want to tell them? >> I just don't know.
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>> Okay. Watching their response [music] is just heartbreaking. >> Investigators were working every angle.
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They checked those security cameras Christile had installed on the house. >> The doorbell camera, the side camera,
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and the side house camera uh were all manually turned off >> except for that one Nest camera near the
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garage. Police canvased Dan and Christile's neighbors in search of anything their home security cameras
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might have recorded. >> So, I saw you had a Ring doorbell camera. You mind reviewing that camera?
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>> Oh, goodness. Absolutely. >> If possible, if you guys can review the last 3 to 5 hours.
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>> They also enlisted Randy Pilac, a digital forensic examiner with the Broomfield Police Department [music] to
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take a closer look at those disturbing messages to Christile. I think it was probably 4 hours, 5 hours after the
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murder was reported to us. >> Now that the stalking case [music] had become a murder investigation, Pilac was
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able to file new expedited requests for information. He quickly discovered that messages from two accounts used to
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harass Castile had been sent from the same location. Both came back to [music] the same IP
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address. That IP address was the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment,
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which is where Dan [music] worked. The messages to Christile [music] threatening her, threatening her husband
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had been sent using the Wi-Fi system at Dan's office. For the first time, detectives [music]
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believe Christile stalker could be sitting right in front of them. Could he be her killer as well?
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>> The entire air was just kind of evacuated out of our investigations room and we realized that we need to focus on
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Dan and where he's been and what he's been doing. >> Martinez along with detective Jennifer
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King [music] Sullivan confronted Dan. >> Who do you think killed her? >> I think it's Kim. I think it's Anthony.
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What if I told you that? We had already spoken with Anthony and there's no way that he was in town today
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and I have nothing and I'm terrified to bring my children home. >> What are you terrified of?
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>> If it wasn't him, was it? But even as Dan claimed ignorance, the detective saw
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that his body language told a different story. >> What were you seeing with Dan? He took a
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defensive posture. He sat back in the couch a little bit. He crossed his arms. Kind of like I have nothing [music] to
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explain. >> I think his head is spinning thinking about what else are they going to find?
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>> [music] [music] >> The mystery continues. And I ask you, >> if you were watching these facts unfold
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in front of you in a movie, what would you say happened? There has to be some other.
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>> Moments after detectives told Dan Krug they had eliminated Anthony Holland as a
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suspect, Dan calmly insisted he was not the one who stalked and murdered his wife Christile.
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>> I loved her. There has to be someone else. But I don't know who that is. Martinez [music] and King Sullivan
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didn't believe a word of it and were struck by how stoic, how unmoved Dan was. >> He had no reaction. Um, and really no
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explanation. >> Help me make sense of it. >> I don't know. I'm not the one who does
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this. I don't have a narrative or a story that I can offer you. Within minutes, Dan Krug had gone from
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sympathetic victim to murder suspect. >> I I I get the narrative you're putting together, but it alleges that I would do
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this to my children. >> I love and adore my children. >> It's a pretty frightening idea that the
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biggest threat to you and your safety is actually living in the same house as you.
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>> We need to process you for physical evidence. Okay. He knows that we're on to him. We just
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didn't have enough evidence at that point to take him into custody. >> Walk down to the lobby.
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>> On his way out, Dan kept insisting the real killer was still on the loose and
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he made a desperate plea. >> Might as well he took my children's mother for Christmas.
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They're never going to get over that. I don't care if you capture them. I don't care if you kill them.
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Find out. Don't just assume this man. Keep looking. >> When did you find out that Dan was now a
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person of of interest in this case? >> I think at his interview, so that same day when they held him, they held him
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pretty late. An autopsy revealed what happened to Christile. She had been attacked from behind with a
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blunt object, bludgeoning to death in the head and rolled over and then stabbed in the heart.
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>> With Dan now the prime suspect, the detectives wanted to know more about his relationship with Christile. According
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to Christile's parents, it wasn't good. >> She said, "Well, I'm sleeping on the couch, Mom." But you knew there was
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trouble in paradise, right? >> Yeah. And especially in that those last few months.
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>> Christile's family says those troubles were caused by Dan's fiery temper. >> What set him off?
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>> It it could be it could be anything, but it was usually if he was losing control.
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>> Christile's sister, Jenna Ericson, says she could always tell when Dan was angry.
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>> His face would get really red when he would was getting frustrated. I vividly
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remember seeing his face get red. They had a thing where they'd go, "Okay, walk away. [music] You need to walk away."
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And so, you know, they were trying to manage it. >> But in the weeks before her death,
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[music] according to her parents, Christile was getting ready to leave Dan. >> She didn't want to have this marriage
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anymore. >> She had decided that she needed to get a divorce. As the detectives methodically built
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their case, more evidence was uncovered on Dan and Christile's cell phones by digital forensic expert Randy Pilac,
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including texts from the morning of the murder. >> So on Crystal's phone, we see text
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messages to Lars, Detective Martinez, and then a text message to Dan, >> the one Dan said he received while
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driving to work about picking up one of the kids at school. But Pilac discovered
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those texts had been set on a timer. It was a new feature on the phone [music] Cile had. Who do you believe
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pre-programmed those messages? >> Uh Dan Krue. >> And he did it to do what? >> To hide his actions.
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>> Pilac says the messages were pre-programmed before Dan left the house. >> And we believe Crystal was deceased.
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[music] That for him then would establish an alibi that well I had already left and
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my wife is alive, right? She's texting me. [music] >> Correct. >> All while Dan casually arrived at work.
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Pilac discovered more damning evidence [music] from Dan's phone. Internet searches like what happens when you're
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knocked unconscious? [music] Do people really go unconscious when hit in the head? and how hard for head
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trauma to go [music] unconscious. >> All searches were the day before the murder. It was rather damning.
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>> Just 2 days after Christile had been murdered, detectives Martinez and King Sullivan felt they had enough evidence
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to charge Dan Krug with stalking and murdering his wife. We begin following him.
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>> Coming up to the stop sign now. >> How many cars we talking about? >> Probably eight cars. We're like, "That's
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him. He's alone in the car." >> Hey, be ready to pop that once he gets it into park.
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>> We follow him all the way to the grocery store. >> Pulling in King Supers parking lot.
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>> We wait for him to park. We quickly converge on his car. >> Go, go, go, go, go, go.
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>> Show us your hands. Show us your hands. on your face. >> Hands on your face. >> Hands on your face.
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>> So, we surround him. >> Pull him out of his car and tell him he's being arrested for the murder of
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his wife. >> I asked him just one question. >> Do you want me to tell your kids that
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you killed their mother or do you want somebody else to? That's quite a line that goes back to
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when he said he wanted to tell his kids that their mother was dead. >> After I asked that question, he just
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said that he wanted to speak with his attorney and then looked away from me. >> All right,
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>> good luck. >> And I shut the door and he went to the county jail. You >> get one leg up and then kind of swing
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around. I felt a huge relief. They got him. It felt like a burden had been lifted that
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he had been arrested. And soon Christile's family would come face to face with the man detectives say
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murdered her. >> He looked right at me and smiled at me. >> And here for the first time, Dan's side
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of the story. >> [music] >> When deputy district attorneys Kate Armstrong and Stephanie Fritz were
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assigned to prosecute Daniel Krug, they say they were struck by his downright stupidity in believing he could get away
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with murdering his wife by impersonating her ex-boyfriend. >> The audacity with which he thought he
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could manipulate not only his family, his loved ones, but also the police department.
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>> And some of this is sophisticated, is it not? >> It's sophisticated, but not too
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sophisticated because we were able to figure it out. [music] >> The trial began in April 2025.
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When he first came in, he smiled at me like he was [music] saying, "Hey, thanks for being here for me." I believe my
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facial expression made it very clear that I was not on his side. >> The prosecution laid out Christile's
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final hours of life for the jury. >> On December 14th of 2023, Christile Krug started her day like any other day. She
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took her younger two children to school. >> And when she returned, >> Crystal pulled back into her garage. She
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gets out of the car. When she is attacked from behind >> and did she ever see him approaching, do
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you think, or was this an ambush? >> It was an ambush. She had uh two or three skull fractures. As she's laying
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on the floor bleeding, he pushes her over, gets over her, and stabs her just above her heart. And why do you suppose
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he had to do that vicious last stab? >> I think it was rage. I think it was control and power that he wanted to
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exert over Crystal. >> Dan had been losing that control for a long time, say prosecutors. Their theory
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of the crime is that Dan sent Christile those disturbing messages in an attempt to drive her closer to him and not
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leave, hoping she'd see him as her heroic protector. >> It was not working. The stalking was not
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leading her back to him. I think it then turned to I'm still losing her kind of if I can't have you, nobody can.
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[music] The prosecution says that in the last days of her life, Christile had begun to
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suspect that her stalker was possibly her husband. [music] >> We know from Dan's own interview that
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she confronted him and said, "I can't rule you out as the stalker." >> She said that right to my face
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that she wanted to know if it was me and I told her no. >> He felt the walls closing in.
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>> Closing in. He was going to lose Chris Dale anyway. He was going to be exposed
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as the stalker. So, he did that last fatal act and murdered her. >> Prosecutors say Dan tried to outsmart
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investigators, pre-programming [music] those text messages on Christile's phone before he left the house, assuming he
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wouldn't be caught. Were we not able to discover that that was a delayed send text, it would have
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appeared as though Crystal was still alive when he left the house. At trial, the long list of digital
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evidence against Dan was laid out. the threatening texts, the emails, the internet searches. Also included that
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photograph of Dan arriving at his office attached to a menacing email seemingly sent by Anthony Holland to Castile.
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But there was one problem. According to the state's digital expert, who took this picture, do you believe?
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>> Uh Dan. Dan took this picture. Pilac discovered that the phone which snapped that photo [music]
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was in selfie mode using a timer. A fact that [music] Kate Armstrong reminded the jury about in her closing
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argument. That's when the judge allowed cameras into the courtroom. >> The phone was propped on the back of
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this vehicle next to him. The defendant took this photograph and then he sent it
00:33:31
to his wife. >> We respectfully disagree with the prosecution in this case. Defense
00:33:36
attorney Philip Geel argued the murder investigation was poor. The blunt object used on Christile's head and the knife
00:33:45
used to stab her were never recovered by police. The defense also zeroed in on the fact that Christile's phone was not
00:33:53
tested for fingerprints or DNA. >> Why not the phone? And the prosecution wants to believe, well, you know, there
00:34:00
may not be a lot to be found there. Well, you won't know if you won't try. Geel said other forensic tests supported
00:34:07
his claim that Dan is innocent. >> They submitted the chest swabs. And you know whose DNA wasn't there? The person
00:34:15
who lived in the house, the person who ate in the kitchen with them, the person who shared the living room, that idiot
00:34:22
right there. There is absolutely no physical evidence on Mr. Krug's clothing. There's no blood found on that
00:34:29
car inside or out. It searched three times. In week three of the trial, the jurors
00:34:37
began deliberations. After a day and a half, verdicts were reached. >> Please rise for the jury.
00:34:45
>> Judge Priscilla Lowe read the verdicts. >> We the jury find the defendant guilty of
00:34:50
murder in the first degree. We the jury find the defendant guilty [music] of count number two stalking
00:34:58
extreme emotional distress. >> [music] >> Krug was also found guilty of stalking
00:35:03
with credible threat and criminal impersonation. >> Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. And at
00:35:10
that point, I think I started breathing again. >> Krug was later sentenced to life in
00:35:15
prison without the possibility of parole on the murder charge and an additional 9
00:35:21
and 1/2 years for the stalking and impersonation counts. But right after his conviction in a
00:35:30
video call from jail, >> how are you? >> Uh, been better. >> Daniel Krug told his family that the
00:35:38
jury got it wrong, saying the real killer remained at large and that his children could be the next targets.
00:35:47
>> I need them safe. I don't know where or who did this, where he is or who he is.
00:36:00
I need my children out of Colorado. As Daniel Krug began serving his life sentence, he continued making video
00:36:26
[music] calls to his parents and brother in the days immediately after his conviction. The man who viciously
00:36:33
murdered his wife, terrorized [music] his own children, and lied to everyone was seeking sympathy from his side of
00:36:41
the family. Yeah, I'm probably sleeping like 16 hours a day because of the depression.
00:36:47
>> Mhm. >> I sleep, I read, and I cry. That's about it. >> Okay. >> Despite overwhelming digital evidence
00:36:54
against him, [music] Krug fell back to his old ways, lying to his loved ones, now claiming he was wrongly convicted.
00:37:03
>> They never produced a single piece of hard evidence. His brother Jeremy gave Krug a
00:37:14
much needed reality check that the foundation of the family's loyalty had started to crack.
00:37:21
>> Support is dwindling. You know, mom and dad want to believe you very much. I want to believe you
00:37:30
very much. Right? There's a lot that's come out. Um, and as imaginative as I can be with finding explanations and
00:37:40
ways to theorize how that, you know, this or that could have been the the reality. Um, some of it is beyond even
00:37:48
my creativity. The case that ended with a murder had begun with stalking and criminal
00:37:57
impersonation of Anthony Holland, which begs the question, what if Detective Martinez had acted on the information
00:38:05
CIL and the private investigator had uncovered? >> They should have found me right away.
00:38:11
They should have found me. They should have came to my house. They should have approached me. They should have talked
00:38:16
to me. But Detective Martinez chose not to call, telling us he didn't have enough evidence to do so and was
00:38:24
concerned a phone call could exacerbate the situation. >> Is this something where you've kicked
00:38:30
yourself about this? >> Uh, this case has uh haunted me since um it occurred and the outcome of this case
00:38:40
has haunted me for the past two years. And if you could get in a time machine, perhaps you make that call today.
00:38:49
>> Absolutely. >> And Christile's parents sympathize with Martinez and believe their daughter was
00:38:56
doomed no matter what the outcome of his investigation. Inevitably, I think he was going to kill
00:39:04
her. When someone sets their mind to do something like that and that's what the plan was, I don't [music] think that
00:39:12
would have uh stopped the murder from happening. >> Christile's death has left a hole in the
00:39:18
lives of those who experienced her love and joy for life. >> I've had lots of other girlfriends and
00:39:26
I've never been in love with anybody else like her. >> She was the love of your life.
00:39:31
>> Yeah. Jenna hopes her sister Christile's story will serve as a cautionary tale.
00:39:39
>> If it can help just one other person who's in a dangerous situation like she was in that it gives them the strength
00:39:46
to make a move because it can escalate and it can escalate really really fast. >> What was lost when she was taken from
00:39:57
us? >> Her light. you know, like >> it's a that's a tough one to talk about because there's uh there's so much.
00:40:14
>> I wanted to jump out of that car and say, "Hey, Bubba." Laura still passes [music] his time
00:40:22
restoring parts for vintage cars. That fatherdaughter hobby is [music] now being passed down to Christile's
00:40:30
children. >> They're in here. They run that same electric screwdriver and they can tear a
00:40:35
carburetor apart. >> So, in that way, you're honoring her memory, aren't you? >> Well, that's the whole idea. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:41
That's the whole idea. She She would get such a kick out of seeing the kids doing
00:40:46
the stuff that she was involved in. I look at my grandkids and I find a moment of peace because I see her.
00:41:17
>> [music] >> Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm [music] your host, Ann Marie Green, and today
00:41:42
I'm joined by 48 Hours correspondent Peter Vans and journalist Sheila Flynn. We are discussing the murder of Christ
00:41:50
Krug, a Colorado mother of three. Ashila, you actually reported on this case for the Daily Mail and you were
00:41:58
also in the courtroom during the trial. Um, so we're going to get into that and we're really, really appreciative that
00:42:04
you're here to give us your perspective on this case. >> Thank you. I'm thrilled to be here.
00:42:08
Hopefully I can help. >> And Peter, it's always great to have you here with us to break down uh this 48
00:42:15
hours episode here on Postmortem. >> Yes. In in honor of the Daily Mail, I'll say hello and welcome [laughter] Sheila.
00:42:22
>> Is that that's your best British accent? >> It's pretty good. I lived there for a
00:42:25
while, so I I'm all right. >> It's better than mine, so we'll take it. So, before we get into it, a reminder to
00:42:31
everyone. If you haven't actually listened to this 48 hours episode yet, head on back to your podcast feed.
00:42:38
You'll find the full audio version of this in your feed right below this podcast. So, go take a listen and then
00:42:44
come on back for this conversation. So, in December of 2023, Christile's husband, Dan Krug, requested a welfare
00:42:52
check on his wife, uh, who wasn't responding to his text messages or his phone calls. Krug also told police that
00:42:59
there was an alleged stalker that had been threatening them. When police arrived at the couple's home, they found
00:43:06
Christile dead in the garage. An autopsy later revealed that she had been bludgeoned to death in the back of the
00:43:13
head and she'd also been stabbed in the heart. There was a tremendous amount of police body cam footage from the crime
00:43:21
scene for this case, and we use it a lot in the hour, and we see also just how emotional Krug was at the scene.
00:43:34
Peter, when you watched that video, what did you think about his behavior at the
00:43:38
scene? >> I had never heard anything like that before. Here was a man you could hear
00:43:44
before you saw him on these body cams. He was shouting and wailing as he ran down the street. It seemed so unnatural.
00:43:52
And by the time he got in front of that house and he was bent over and he was wretching and making all of these
00:43:59
sounds. It was an extraordinary performance and we know now it was a performance and but
00:44:11
it was completely over the top. You know, I first viewed it actually sitting just feet behind Krug himself, who was
00:44:17
sitting as a defendant in court at the trial. And you know, Peter used the word performance. It seemed so much like a
00:44:23
performance to me. Just very overblown, not asking why. Just almost seeming like
00:44:30
he was trying to make himself seem scattered, like he didn't know what to do as he wailed. And it was really
00:44:37
interesting to watch him watch that without any reaction as he was on trial for Castile's murder.
00:44:44
>> I'm glad that both of you guys said that because when I watched the video, I felt
00:44:49
like I was judging him, but I just wasn't convinced with his behavior, the way he was sort
00:44:56
of hunched over. And then we see that he's actually with a victim's advocate. Her name is Heather Ace. So, she's seen
00:45:05
people in situations like this many, many times. Um, and we want to play for uh the listeners here some unaired
00:45:12
footage from Peter your interview with her and she talks about when she actually first started to suspect Krug.
00:45:19
>> The car ride from his house to the police department seemed like an eternity and it felt as if
00:45:29
something had switched. I I was starting to look at him a little differently, especially since he was
00:45:38
very adamant about telling the children. And he wasn't asking any other questions. He wasn't asking where was
00:45:47
she? How what happened? And I turn and I look at him and I get this weird feeling. And
00:45:55
it's a it's a it's a feeling of are you really crying? Are are you really Is this happening?
00:46:05
Did you do this? You didn't know. You didn't do this, Heather. You're watching You watched too many 48 hours episodes.
00:46:12
You're watching too much TV. This is This man has lost his wife. Why are you thinking that? But it was it was a gut
00:46:18
instinct. How interesting. But Peter, it's not just a gut instinct. He's not asking any
00:46:25
questions about what happened to his wife. >> Yeah. Bizarre behavior. and she followed
00:46:29
her instincts which was great. Heather has a lot of wisdom in all of this. At one point she said, you know, he had
00:46:34
really settled down. Then he started to make this very strange whimpering sound and she felt it was invented that it
00:46:41
just wasn't uh genuine. So, to bring people some of the background that we already know about if you watch the
00:46:47
hour, for months before her death, Christile had been receiving threatening text messages and photos that appeared
00:46:54
to be coming from an exboyfriend, Anthony Holland. Christile brought her concerns to Detective Martinez, who at
00:47:03
the time chose not to contact Anthony. Uh, he said that they were compiling enough evidence against him to actually
00:47:10
obtain an arrest warrant. You both interviewed Anthony. What was your impression of him?
00:47:18
>> He was a very uh downto- earthth individual. There's a sadness about him. Christile uh was somebody that um he
00:47:27
deeply cared for. They'd met in high school, but they were such different people. Christile was this intellect, a
00:47:34
a truly genius level intellect. An engineering future awaited for her. She was very ambitious. she was going to go
00:47:41
to university. And um Anthony on the other hand had no plans. He had no academic interest. These two split up
00:47:50
and it haunted him. He he just felt like a big part of his life was missing. >> Anthony is just very very earnest, very
00:47:59
honest, genuine, softspoken. Uh and he just really loved Christile. And when he described to me, you know,
00:48:08
they had met, they were both working at J C Penney as teenagers, and he described their first date and their
00:48:15
first kiss as magical. And it almost sounded like he was recounting scenes from a teen movie. And when I saw him
00:48:23
testify at her trial, he was so anxious he was clutching fidget toys. And you could tell he was really trying to do
00:48:32
Christile's memory well up on the stand as well as stand up for himself. And he told me that he stared down and I could
00:48:41
see this that he stared down Krug uh at the defense table kind of going, "Man, you tried to frame me for murder." And
00:48:50
he thanked me later after I ran a story, an interview with Anthony about his past. And Christile, he thanked me for
00:48:57
sharing her story as well as his because it was his great love. >> So seeing as you know she had been his
00:49:04
his great love. Sheila had Anthony actually contacted her over the years. >> He had you know I think in that way
00:49:12
sometimes you reach out with whatifs etc. Uh he sent a few messages I believe the last I think in 2016 just saying
00:49:20
seeing how she was doing. Nothing malicious or anything. You know he had kind of a rockolid alibi. He he
00:49:27
literally and figuratively had the receipts. >> Yeah. It's it's an incredible twist in
00:49:32
in this story that on the day that Christile was murdered, he'd gotten up and uh he now thinks this voice in his
00:49:42
head was Christile sending him a message. He got this urge to go to a Kohl's department store and to buy a
00:49:49
sweatshirt. And when I did the interview with him, I didn't realize he was wearing that very sweatshirt and he had
00:49:55
the receipt and it proved that he was 500 miles away in Utah and could not have been um in Colorado uh not not in
00:50:05
the area at all, not in the neighborhood to have committed this murder. And he thinks somehow Christile's uh spirit um
00:50:14
helped save him, exonerate him in in this case. >> Wow. So more and more often with these
00:50:21
cases though, we are able to use uh surveillance footage or you know body cam footage, but it it's not often that
00:50:28
we have so much of the victim before the crime. In the hour we see Christile's interview with police when she's
00:50:36
reporting that someone is stalking her. She seems to be taking all the right steps to protect herself and her family.
00:50:44
Do you think that she would have maybe eventually uncovered the truth that it indeed was her husband behind these
00:50:51
threatening text messages? >> You know, I think she absolutely would have. She was so smart and it was so
00:50:58
frustrating to see her in that footage talking to the detective with everything laid out before him. I mean, she had
00:51:06
spreadsheets and color-coded files and mountains of evidence, and he joked that she had done his job for him, and she
00:51:14
had I mean, she did everything. And she had even told her stepmom's sister, I can't even rule out my husband. This is
00:51:23
someone used to using the scientific method to solve problems. And she had done that looking at the facts of this
00:51:30
case. And we know now because Dan Krue, whether that was a this was a slip up or
00:51:35
whatever, he actually admits during the course of one of these interviews that she had mentioned to him that he could
00:51:42
be the stalker. And think about that cuz it wasn't that long after she revealed that to him that she ended up being
00:51:51
murdered. >> I mean, she was she was petrified as well. She, you know, she broke down in
00:51:57
tears in a parking lot to her mother once. She was, you know, re-uping her shooting skills. She was arming herself.
00:52:04
This was all discussed in court when they were outlining witnesses on the stand as well as the prosecution. So to
00:52:12
know that she was in fear and literally carrying a gun at the time of her death and just always looking over her
00:52:19
shoulder and still died, it was it was really tragic and infuriating. Dan was aware that uh she had armed herself um
00:52:28
when she was attacked and authorities came into that garage. Her gun was inside her purse. She may have felt a
00:52:36
little bit of safety going into that garage. Dan obviously knew the garage. He knew her her habits and he was able
00:52:44
to uh to ambush her. And all of that gun training and all that preparation uh ended up being for nothing cuz he he got
00:52:51
to her first. You mentioned that she had mentioned that she couldn't rule out her
00:52:56
own husband. Most people don't say that about, you know, their partner. I'm kind of curious
00:53:03
about how Christile's family felt about Krug. Did they give you any indication as to whether or not they liked him or
00:53:10
not? >> They did in the interview. Uh her mother, Linda, in particular, didn't really like him from the beginning, and
00:53:17
she just had a bad feeling about him. He was very awkward in family um gatherings. He at times could be uh
00:53:26
quiet. And I asked them, "Did you ever just mention it to her that you were concerned about it?" They said, "No,
00:53:32
she's very smart. Um we we wanted to leave that decision up to her as to who the person her partner in life would
00:53:38
be." But from the very beginning, it just didn't feel right to them. They said in courts that they were aware that
00:53:46
the marriage was disintegrating. Um, and I just think what united them in the weeks running up to Christile's death
00:53:56
was this stalker. I mean, there was family testimony during trial that at a family birthday party in the weeks
00:54:04
before Christile's murder, Dan was really playing up the stalker angle. He kept looking out the window in case the
00:54:11
stalker might be surveilling them or in in the vicinity. And I I just think that
00:54:20
his behavior looking back now must anger them so much more seeing that deceit. I
00:54:25
want to talk about the footage of Krug's police interrogation. We see the very the moment really where the tables turn
00:54:31
on him where police reveal that Anthony has an alibi. And I want to play a clip from the show. What if I told you
00:54:39
better? We had already spoken with Anthony and there's no way that he was in town today.
00:54:50
And I have nothing and I'm terrified to bring my children home. What are you terrified of? If it wasn't
00:55:06
him, it wasn't. >> What gets me in all of this is um I covered the Lacy Peterson murder case
00:55:13
many years ago and at the time we did a story about deception and signs of deception. One of them is whisper
00:55:20
talking and you noticed it there. It's in that audio. It is dramatic. He's talking and all of a sudden it just
00:55:26
falls off and you'll you hear him speak in this whisper talk which is which is for these these psychological experts a
00:55:35
sign that that he's lying and telling a story. Um the frustrating part in all of
00:55:40
this too is that they had to release Dan after this interview even though he was
00:55:45
their number one suspect. And at that point they were pretty convinced that he is the killer. He knew they were on to
00:55:52
him and that whisper talk just said it all to me. >> You know, even throughout his police
00:55:57
interviews that we saw during the trial, he was always presenting himself as completely harmless and non-threatening.
00:56:05
He's very tall, very skinny. He was stooped, slouched on the couch, hunched over, um moving gingerly, you know,
00:56:14
holding a cup of coffee or water as if it was going to hurt him. uh just [music] constantly putting out this vibe
00:56:23
of I'm harmless. Don't look at me. And even there when he was still protesting his innocence, who could it be
00:56:30
pretending to [music] be afraid? Uh it was all it was all a facade. Welcome back. Well, after a digital
00:56:38
[music] forensics expert traced the stalker's messages to Krug's office wifi and uncovered chilling searches on his
00:56:46
phone, like, "Do people really go unconscious when hit in the head?" Police move in to arrest him. It's rare
00:56:54
that we see this moment, uh, you know, the hands up, you're under arrest moment, but we actually get it from
00:57:01
multiple angles here. >> We get it from six different angles. This is like this is like a Hollywood
00:57:07
movie at this at this point. And as more and more local law enforcement gets into
00:57:11
the get into the body cam technology, we're seeing uh incredible moments like this unfold before our eyes. The
00:57:19
tragedy, he was out at that supermarket because his daughter was going to be performing in the Nutcracker that night
00:57:24
and they wanted to get some flowers. Um, on the day of the murder, Dan insisted to police that he wanted to be the one
00:57:32
who told his three children that their mother was dead. Well, at the time of arrest, you flip the script here and
00:57:39
Detective Martinez, who had uh such enormous frustration during the course of this investigation and some
00:57:46
self-doubt whether he should have acted earlier to pursue Anthony Holland, reach
00:57:51
out to him earlier, he finally had a moment where he's looking at him and he says basically, "Hey, you want me to
00:57:57
tell the kids that you murdered their mother or someone else?" And it was, I'm paraphrasing there, but it was it was
00:58:04
such a powerful moment there. Uh, and I I felt good for the detective that he finally got one jab of the sword at this
00:58:13
at this creep. >> Absolutely. Um, let's go to the trial. No cameras were allowed in the courtroom
00:58:20
until closing arguments. Uh, but Sheila, you were there in person for pretty much
00:58:25
most of the trial. >> Mhm. >> What was Krug's demeanor like? A and was there family there to support him
00:58:32
through the trial? >> There was, you know, he his demeanor was very similar to how it was in police
00:58:40
interviews and on that footage where he stooped over, he moved slowly, presenting himself as harmless, meek,
00:58:48
sitting there quietly at the defense table. Um, his older brother was there for much of the trial. His elderly
00:58:56
father was one of the last witnesses called and he and his elderly mother were there for the verdict as it was
00:59:05
read. His brother seemed shell shocked when he addressed the judge. But Chris Steele's family meanwhile was there
00:59:12
right behind the prosecution every day at the trial, active, engaged, just supporting her every step of the way.
00:59:19
The prosecution's biggest hurdle in this case was really the lack of DNA evidence
00:59:24
tying Krug to the murder. The murder weapon was also never recovered and investigators didn't find Priscile's
00:59:31
blood on Krug's clothes or in his car. That is something you would expect uh when someone has, you know, a stab
00:59:39
wound. So, it begs the question just how is it possible to have no DNA evidence in a case like this where there's
00:59:48
clearly a lot of blood. >> Well, for all the mistakes that he made, perhaps it's blind luck in his case. It
00:59:55
is something that, you know, the prosecutors and Sheila knows this very well, they all want a CSI moment in a
01:00:01
case like this. You know, the DNA, her DNA found in his car to really lock this down for jurors. But in this case, um,
01:00:10
there just wasn't that. >> And, you know, that was a cornerstone of the defense really, that there was no
01:00:16
DNA. And how could that be? I mean, investigators were told that he by his children that he was wearing the same
01:00:24
clothes that morning that he was when he came after she was murdered. So truly, how did he manage it? But I always
01:00:33
wondered, I mean, Krug worked for the Department of Health here in Colorado. who knows what he had access to. And
01:00:40
when you think about it, even though he made a number of really elementary and unbelievable mistakes when it came to
01:00:48
digital evidence or emails or phones, he did have a lot of time to plan this over
01:00:54
a matter of months as he was carrying out that stalking campaign. Well, let's talk about the digital evidence. I mean,
01:01:03
I don't know when people are going to learn like your Google searches will become part of the case against you. The
01:01:10
Google searches first off were incredible where he was asking about, you know, basically I'm paraphrasing uh
01:01:16
what does it take to knock somebody out and if you strike somebody on the back of the head, which of course is what
01:01:22
happened to his wife when they were able to determine that messages had been sent
01:01:27
from his company wifi system. That is as good as a fingerprint. That who else could have have done that? Now, the
01:01:35
defense tried to say, well, the person that was stalking him may have been in the building at the time and that's how
01:01:40
this occurred, but they really had him on that. Also, they were able to determine that there was a a iconic
01:01:48
picture in the course of this where the alleged stalker had taken a photograph of Dan as he was getting inside uh a
01:01:55
vehicle. Well, their digital expert was able to determine that that had been that picture had been taken on Krug's
01:02:02
phone at in selfie mode on a timer. And they were even able to figure out the bumper that was was used to hold the
01:02:10
phone to take that photograph. >> It would be laughable if it hadn't involved the loss of a life. I mean,
01:02:17
it's just astonishing. He bought a burner phone, but with a gift card that was registered to himself. He also in
01:02:24
one of the really wow moments of the trial on October 2nd when he sent a text one of the threatening stalker messages
01:02:33
to Christile. She didn't answer and it was the first stalker message he sent. And when she didn't answer, he clearly
01:02:40
was worried that the message wasn't getting through. So he texted his own cell phone test and then responded to
01:02:48
that text with his cell phone to the burner. Yeah. So, I mean, he absolutely absolutely kind of condemned himself
01:02:58
with that interaction >> clearly. Um, and a a jury uh finds him guilty. Uh, he's found guilty of
01:03:06
firstdegree murder as well as stalking and impersonation. Sheila, what was the reaction like in the courtroom when the
01:03:13
verdict was read? >> On Krug's side, his uh parents, his mom slumped into his dad. a supporter put a
01:03:21
hand on her back. They were just clearly in disbelief and bereft. On the other side of the courtroom, people were
01:03:28
tearful for different reasons. You know, they later spoke about how they felt this was some semblance of justice for
01:03:35
Crisio. After he was convicted, we get more fascinating video uh and we include this in the hour of a jail house call
01:03:44
that Krug makes to his family. We want to play for you now an extended clip of that call that was not in the show.
01:03:52
>> We are in a digital and monitored age. They never produced a single photograph
01:04:04
of me with phones. They never produced a single photograph of me buying anything.
01:04:09
They never produced a single piece of hard evidence. Just identity theft. That's it.
01:04:25
That's it. And we're in a world today where that's enough. DNA exoneration doesn't mean
01:04:38
because someone can do things with a cell phone. Not a single photograph, not a single
01:04:53
drop of blood, not a single scrap of DNA. Not a single recording. Identity theft
01:05:07
is all it takes to destroy somebody. >> This almost sounds like an attorney performing closing arguments. It's quite
01:05:17
dramatic with all those pauses and such. >> They don't have that hard physical evidence, but the evidence that was
01:05:24
presented was compelling um to this jury and uh I think to the community. You know, you could tell that his brother
01:05:32
who got up, Jeremy, who spoke at trial during victim impact statements, you could tell that he was caught off guard,
01:05:39
that he still had no idea how to handle this because the point he made was that the family hadn't been privy to all the
01:05:46
evidence until it was presented at trial, that they were holding on to a glimmer of hope. That hope had been very
01:05:54
quickly shattered once they saw the case that was presented. And his brother also
01:05:59
expressed anger at Dan for doing this to his family and putting them through it and talk about driving his elderly
01:06:07
parents home as they collapsed against each other in the car. So, not only did he put his children through it, now he's
01:06:14
putting his parents and extended family through it and continuing to do it is gling.
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>> Yeah. So Dan Krug, you he is sentenced to life in prison um without the possibility of
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parole on the murder charge and an additional n and a half years for the stalking and impersonation counts. And
01:06:32
Sheila, you were talking about the victim impact statements um at at sentencing. And Christile's
01:06:39
sister-in-law also got up and made a victim impact statement and and she talked about what the children will have
01:06:46
to deal with. >> She did. She actually read out statements from the kids themselves who
01:06:50
spoke of their grief. And it was not [clears throat] just Christile's sister-in-law and the children speaking.
01:06:57
It was a long line of friends and family members. Whether they were school friends of Christ's or friends she'd met
01:07:04
in adult dance classes or cousins, relatives, siblings, everyone spoke of what a bright light she was, how smart,
01:07:12
how quick, how she would amuse them with self-deprecating humor. And you could see how much Christile touched so many
01:07:20
people's lives and how angry they were that she was so needlessly stolen. >> Yeah. Um, how's Christelle's family
01:07:28
doing? They are um they're such incredible people. Um Lars um Christile's dad is Norwegian. Uh he's
01:07:41
from a family of engineers. Christile followed in that tradition. In that uh workroom they have at the house where he
01:07:48
has these these old vintage cars. They used to work on them together. Lars can rebuild an original Corvette carburetor.
01:07:56
He's a brilliant guy. He misses her so desperately as he looks around that that uh shop. He can hear her voice. He can
01:08:03
see her there. Um they're trying to continue that tradition with the children. Lars is and he's desperate uh
01:08:11
and and will never let her memory die. >> The kids, the oldest is about 16 now. And you know what they do have around
01:08:19
them is a very large and loving extended family. And the crowds who stood up for
01:08:25
Castile for victim impact statements were just I think the tip of the iceberg. And the judge even acknowledged
01:08:33
at sentencing what a pleasure it was despite being an awful, tragic and bittersweet circumstance to get to know
01:08:41
about Christile and her family. So I I guess despite this horrific situation, the kids are lucky in that regard to
01:08:50
have all of them around her, all the people who turned up at the trial for Christile and the many others out there.
01:08:56
>> Absolutely. It's a community that they will need moving forward. And it, you know, it makes me feel at least a little
01:09:03
good to know that they are well loved and well protected and supported. Um, well, Peter Sheila, this has been a
01:09:10
great conversation. Thank you so much. Thanks, Anmarie. >> Thank you. >> If you like this episode, please rate
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