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He is a hollow vessel, something less than human, a body without empathy, without remorse.
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He chose destruction. He chose evil. He feels nothing. [Music] >> For the first time, Dylan Mortonson, one
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of the two surviving roommates in the house on King Road, courageously spoke in court about her grief and trauma as
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the murderer of her friends, sat facing forward with no emotion. >> He tried to take everything from me, my
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friends, my safety, my identity, my future. He took their lives, but I will continue
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trying to be like them to make them proud. On Wednesday, a shackled Brian Coberger,
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who admitted earlier this month to the mass murder of University of Idaho students Kaylee Gonzalez, Madison Mogan,
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Zana Kernodal, and Ethan Chapen was forced to hear the cries, the anguish, the frustrations, and the righteous
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anger of the loved ones left behind at his sentencing hearing in Boise. Today we are here to prove to the world that
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you picked the wrong families. >> Instead, I will call you what you are. Sociopath, psychopath,
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murderer. >> We are done being victims. We are taking back our lives. >> I'm 48 hours correspondent Peter Vans
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and this is the Idaho student murders inside the Brian Coberger case. Today you're going to hear what happened
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inside the courtroom. And joining me to discuss it all is CBS News legal analyst, attorney Mary Fuljiniti, and
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Washington State University Muro School of Journalism Professor Matt Loveless. And Matt, you live in Pullman, just a
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stones throw down the road from Moscow. You're the one that went over to that house on King Road after you learned of
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these murders. You saw that that tragic sight of some blood seeping down the outside of the building which gave us
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all a sense of what was going on on the inside. Give me a sense of what this day
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was like for you. >> It was an emotional day, Peter. And as this case has gone on for close to a
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thousand days now, I hesitate to call it closure, but it was nice as a community
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member just to hear the families be able to speak and release a little bit today.
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And I think we'll get to the fact that they released quite a bit today. So, it did feel like a little bit of closure
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and also it felt incomplete. I know we'll talk about that as well. For the victim's families and surviving
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roommates, they had been expected to give impact statements after a trial when their words would influence the
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sentencing, but that trial never came to be. >> Yeah. No, it didn't. I mean, Brian
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Coberger ended up signing a plea agreement and on July 2nd in court admitted his guilt to each charge in the
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indictment. And part of that agreement and part of those admissions included him agreeing to fixed terms, fixed life
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sentences for each of the four murder counts as well as a 10-year count for the felony burglary, all to run
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consecutively. Uh, and in addition, he waved all rights to appeal. And for all of us who have watched this from the
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beginning, to see all those loved ones in that room and be able to look at the man across the way who was so stoic,
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emotionless, lacking remorse sitting there, the man who had wielded that knife and and and and created all this
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pain was just extraordinary, wasn't it? >> Yeah. Watching him was was eerie to be
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perfectly honest. I think the one thing to me that stood out out of all the tears and emotion was that Brian
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Cobberger did not shed a tear. He did not show any emotion. >> Even the judge was wiping away tears
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throughout. And for me, in the dozens and dozens of court cases I've been involved with, I'd never seen that
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before, Mary. What about you? >> Yeah, you know, I've never seen a judge shed a tear in a case. The prosecutor
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was tearing up. The the judge was tearing up. We had the victims. We had the family members. I was even tearing
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up throughout much of it because you sit there and you hear how heinous and horrific the crimes were. And as a
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mother to a daughter who's in college at a sorority, it just it hits home. >> In addition to Dylan Mortonson, we heard
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from her fellow surviving roommate Bethany Funk. Good friend Emily Alant read Bethy's words inside a packed
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courtroom. >> For some reason, I am still here and I got to live. I still think about this
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every day. Why me? Why did I get to live and not them? >> People always ask that, the survivors.
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Matt, what do you think? >> It's still hard to explain. You know, we know Bethany had a basement room in that
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place. I think people are learning the layout of that three-story uh building there on 1122 King Road. We know Dylan
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came down to be with Bethany. She had a second floor bedroom. She went downstairs after she says she opened the
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door and saw a man with bushy eyebrows. And I know there was a lot of confusion over the 911 call, the fact that it took
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more than 7 hours for them to make that call. >> When I first woke up that morning, I had
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no idea what happened. I woke up around 7:00 with a terrible toothache. So, I called my dad who is a dentist and he
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asked what I should do. He told me to take Advil. So, I did and I went back to sleep. I was still out of
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it and still didn't know what happened. If I had known, I of course would have called 911 right away. I still carry so
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much regret and guilt for not knowing what had happened and not calling right away. Even though I understand it
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wouldn't have changed anything, not even if the paramedics had been right outside
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the door. I was so frantic that morning and scared to death, not knowing what had happened.
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And when I made the 911 call, I couldn't even get out the words. And from then on, I don't remember a
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thing. It was like my brain wiped that whole memory. That was the worst day of my life and I
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know it always will be. >> You know, much of the information in this case, it's sort of been that leaky
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faucet. We'll get a drip here and a drip there and a drip there. And one of those
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drips came recently as we found out a little bit more about why there was so much chaos on that call. There's still a
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lot of confusion, but we hear some context now from the Amazon series about how friend Emily Alant, friend Hunter
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Johnson, and another friend had come and how Hunter had found Ethan and Zanna and
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reported that they should call the police for an unconscious person, essentially sparing his friends the
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trauma of knowing what happened. And we also know now that at the time they weren't even aware that Maddie and Kaye
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had been killed as well. And so we are just beginning to learn this little trickle of information about what had
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happened that morning. And it is starting to make a lot more sense. >> And while Bethany did not attend, we
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learned more from Dylan who lived on the second floor of the house. And she sat down at the prosecutor's table and took
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moments to compose herself. >> Dylan, just take your time. I'm all right. I'm sorry.
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Thank you, your honor. And the presentation that Dylan Mortonson had in that courtroom. This
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was a a young teenage girl at the time of these murders, overwhelmed by what had happened there, and she had been
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savaged in social media. Well, the Dylan Mortonson that showed up today was mature and eloquent and profound and and
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so impressive. >> I was barely 19 when he did this. We had just celebrated my birthday at the end
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of September. I should have been figuring out who I was. I should have been having the
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college experience and starting to establish my future. Instead, I was forced to learn how to survive the
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unimaginable. I couldn't be alone. I had to sleep in my mom's bed because I was too terrified to close my eyes.
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Terrified that if I blinked, someone might be there. I made escape plans everywhere I went.
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If something happens, how do I get out? What can I use to defend myself? Who can
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help? Then there are the panic attacks. The kind that slam into me like a tsunami out of nowhere. I can't breathe.
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I can't think. I can't stop shaking. All I can do is scream because the emotional pain and the grief is too much
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to handle. My chest feels like it's caving in. >> The the enormous consequence of murder.
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uh was just expressed there. And I hope those who tortured this young woman take
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a moment perhaps to send off something kind now that you know the context of what had happened cuz she doesn't
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deserve anyone's sworn. She didn't speak at the sentencing hearing about what she saw that day.
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mostly just talking about the pain she continues to endure. We got to hear her talk about a lot of the coverage that
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was about her early on in the coverage of this case and it was it was just devastating to hear.
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Mattie Mogan's stepfather Scott Laramie spoke on behalf of himself and Mattiey's
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mother Karen who stood beside him in tears. He said he refused to waste words on the defendant, saying evil doesn't
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deserve time and attention. It helps us to know that he is in heaven now, freed from the trials of this earth.
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We, however, continue to live on without the grace and support of her presence. We will grow old without our only child,
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our bright, beautiful friend and daughter. In the end, there are no words that can
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accurately capture the devastation of losing Maddie. You know, one person who was so moving to me was Mattiey's
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father, Ben Mogan. This is a man who's been through a lot in life. And he said that Maddie was the only child he ever
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had. She was the only great thing he ever really did and the only thing he was ever proud of. Boy, those hit me.
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That was so sad. and he was honest about his struggles with addiction and how Maddie helped him.
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>> I went through a lot of uh issues with addiction and with uh with substance abuse and and um when I wasn't
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wanting to live anymore, she was what would keep me from just not caring anymore. and um
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knowing that she was out there and that she was just such a beautiful person uh kept me alive a lot of a lot of rough
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moments and for for her father Maddie's Maddie helped put him back on the rails and even though she's lost her life in
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some ways she has saved his and that was very poignant. Ben Mogan Scott Laramie and Mattiey's paternal grandmother
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expressed their support of the plea agreement. Now, in contrast, Kaylee Gonzalez's family has been outspoken
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about their disappointment about that plea deal agreement. Her father, Steve, called it a deal with the devil and has
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called out the prosecution and judge in the case. When Steve Gonzalez got up to speak, he dramatically turned the podium
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in the direction of Coberger. Today we are here to finish what you started. Today you've lost control.
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Having interviewed Steve Gonzalez a couple of times for many hours and other members of the family. What he had to
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say about when the family learned of this tragedy and the shock and the horror and they're holding each other
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and what they decided to do as he tells that story. For me, that was one of the most memorable moments in that courtroom
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today. >> My kids turned around, looked at me, and said, "What do we do, Dad?" I told them, "You get to work.
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You get your ass to work." And we started calling. We started texting. We started emailing. And you know what?
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Within hours, within hours, we had your white car on a camera. We knew. We knew from the very beginning we had you.
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The police officers tell us within minutes they had your DNA. Like a calling card. You were that careless,
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that foolish, that stupid. Master degree, you're a joke. Complete joke. >> This family, they came out fighting
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right out of the box. you know, from the day they heard what happened to their sister, their daughter, um they were on
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it and they wanted to find out who did it, how did it happen, what happened, and uh and they haven't really stopped,
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you know, and I think that that's very telling of sort of the dynamic in the family and and and how, you know, and
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how they express, you know, their own feelings and handle situations. Kayle's older sister, Olivia, um, who I
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I've met along the way, who had done such research and found breakthroughs in this investigation, and listen to what
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she had to say. >> I will ask the questions that reverberate violently in my own head so
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loudly that I can't think straight most any day. Some of these might be familiar, so sit up straight when I talk
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to you. How was your life right before you murdered my sisters? Did you prepare for the crime before
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leaving your apartment? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling at this time.
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Why did you choose my sisters before making your move? Did you approach my sisters? Detail what you
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were thinking and feeling. Before leaving their home, is there anything else you did?
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How does it feel to know the only thing you failed more miserably at than being a murderer is trying to be a rapper?
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Did you recently start shaving or manually pulling out your eyebrows? Why November 13th?
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Did you truly think your Amazon purchase was untraceable because you used a gift
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card? How do you find it enjoyable to stargaze with such a severe case of visual snow?
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Where is the murder weapon, the clothes you wore that night? What did you bring into the house with
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you? What was the second weapon you used on Kaye? What were Kayle's last words? Please describe in detail the level of
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anxiety you must have felt when you heard the bearcat pull up to your family home on December 30th, 2022.
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Which do you regret more? Returning to the crime scene 5 hours later or never ever going back to Moscow, not even
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once, after stalking them there for months. If you were really smart, do you think
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you'd be here right now? What's it like needing this much attention just to feel real?
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You're terrified of being ordinary, aren't you? Do you feel anything at all or are you exactly what you always
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feared? Nothing. >> She came mad, but mad and prepared. I sat there at various points and said,
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"Can he can we get some answers to those questions?" She asked a number of questions we've all wanted to ask since
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the beginning of this case. Not only that, she talked about reports of his heroin use. She talked about his efforts
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to be a rapper. She made fun of him taking a online IQ test. >> The truth is, you're as dumb as they
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come. Stupid, clumsy, slow, sloppy, weak, dirty. Let me be very clear. Don't ever try to convince yourself you
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mattered just because someone finally said your name out loud. I see through you.
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You want the truth? Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you hadn't attacked them in their sleep in the
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middle of the night like a pedophile, Kaye would have kicked your ass. >> Yeah, she was brilliantly angry. Mary,
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what did you think? >> Yeah, I know. I I thought she was incredibly articulate and frankly poised
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given how angry she was. Uh but I you know she also you know brought up things like do you feel anything at all? Do you
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have any remorse? What you know what's wrong with you? Are you a sociopath? Are you a psychopath? I mean she was really
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grappling with you know what the heck are you and and don't think that this is going to make you powerful or important.
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And I'm a little shocked that the judge sort of allowed that vilification, but uh but she clearly got across how she
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was feeling and and what she and the family I think wanted to know. >> And following Olivia's blistering uh
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comments, Kayle's mother, Christy, also called him a loser and referenced the death penalty, which had been taken off
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the table when Coberger took that plea agreement. While I'm disappointed the firing shodd won't get to take their
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shots at you, I'm confident that the men in prison will have their way with you in more ways than one. You will finally
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get what you wanted. Physical touch. Just probably not how you were expecting it. See, you haven't beat the system.
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You've simply entered a new one where the rules are cruel and the consequences will never end.
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You are entering a place where no one will care who you are and no one will ever respect you. You will be forgotten,
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discarded, used, and erased. You will always be reme remembered as an as a loser, an absolute failure. And when
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those prison doors slam shut behind you, I hope that sound echoes in your heart for the rest of your meaningless days. I
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hope it reminds you of what we all already know. You're nothing. May you continue to live your life in misery.
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You are officially the property of the state of Idaho where your fellow inmates are anxiously
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awaiting your arrival. But it's okay cuz they're there to help you. Hell will be waiting.
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>> I don't have a word to add to what she just said. The things Chrissy told me in
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in the interview we did was that she wanted this firing squad because she wanted Colberger to have just that
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moment of fear of deep fear that she knew her daughter had experienced as he was attacking her. And then she had one
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last thought. She shared a message from Kayle's younger sister. Listen to this. You may have received A's in high school
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and college, but you're going to be getting big D's in prison. >> Thank you. A spattering of applause there.
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Something that I've never heard in a in a courtroom, too. >> Yeah. I mean, again, you typically don't
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hear such strong language uh ever really at a sentencing hearing. And outside the courthouse after that
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hearing, Steve and and Christy uh re referenced 34 stab wounds that they believe their daughter suffered. And
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Christy said the details are far more horrific than anybody ever imagined. We do not know at this point if the
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families learned of information that came out after the hearing in documents released by the Moscow Police
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Department, but here's some of what we have learned from one of the first officers at the scene. He said, "I
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looked inside the bedroom. Zanna was lame and it was obvious an intense struggle had occurred. Zanna was
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obviously deceased." Quick side note, when I interviewed Zana's family, they said they were so proud. They had been
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told that she had fought for her life and that they were very proud of that. They mentioned that in the interview
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they did with 48 hours. Ethan was found on the bed. Quote, "The midsection of Ethan's body was covered by a blanket.
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Kaye and Madison were covered by a pink blanket which was covered in blood. And Kaye, the report shows, was
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unrecognizable as her facial structure was extremely damaged. >> I would caution anybody who feels like
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they're curious to take a second thought before reading through these documents because the details are just awful.
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And as far as Zana Kernodal's family, the court heard from her father, Jeff, and her sister, Jasmine. I walk with the
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comfort of knowing I will see my sister again. Zana didn't get the future she deserved.
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She won't be the maid of honor at my wedding. The cool aunt to my future children.
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I'll never hear her laugh or see her light up a room ever again. But I will carry her with me for the
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rest of my life. I will live in her honor. Fight to be the best kind of woman and someone she's proud of. To
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make sure the world never forgets who she was. Zanna's story doesn't end with what was taken from her.
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>> Aunt Kim spoke of forgiveness at this hearing. One of the few people who did.
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Brian, I'm here today to tell you I have forgiven you because I no longer could live with that hate in my heart. And for
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me to become a better person, I have forgiven you. And anytime you want to talk and tell me what happened, get my
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number. I'm here. No judgment because I do have answers or questions that I want
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you to answer. And I'm here. I'll be that one that'll listen to you. Okay. >> And then in contrast, Zanna's
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stepfather, Randy Davis, he turned to Coberger with disgust. He did not have forgiveness on his mind.
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>> I want to I want to just be out in the woods with you just so I can teach you
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about loss and pain. I'm not I love God. I wouldn't take your life. That's up to
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him. But I guarantee you, you are weak. God, I would just give a moment, man. Five minutes out in the woods.
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Oh man, you're gonna go to hell. >> Zana Kernodal's mom, Karen Northington, also spoke. She has been open about her
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struggles with addiction. She previously said she hit rock bottom and relapsed when Zana was killed and went to jail.
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She is now sober and has spoken recently about how her faith has helped her cope
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with this tragedy. However, Ethan Chapen's parents and siblings were not in court. Ethan's father, Jim Chapen,
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said last week that he preferred to spend this time on their boat with his children. Ethan was a triplet and his
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brother Hunter and sister Maisie also attended the University of Idaho. With the impact statements complete,
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prosecutor Bill Thompson held back tears while reading the sentence for each count as photos of the victims were
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displayed. Cries could be heard in the courtroom. He then showed that photo we all know so well of the roommates on
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that game day weekend taken just hours before the murders. He called them a family. The prosecutor said Coberger
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would die in prison. Colberger was given the opportunity to speak. This was a moment all of us were waiting for. And
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here's what it turned out to be. >> All right, Mr. Coberger. Uh, you have an opportunity to make a statement if you
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wish to. I take it you are declining. >> I respectfully decline. >> He said, I respectfully decline. Our
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producers inside the courtroom heard murmurss of surprise, surprise, and coward. Judge Steven Hipler said he
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couldn't force Coberger to speak. But even if he could, how could we know it's the truth? Mary, he has a point there,
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doesn't he? >> Yeah. He I mean, first of all, you can't force a defendant to speak. they have
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their fifth amendment right and under Idaho law a criminal defendant can't be forced to speak at sentencing and it
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can't be used against him or her in any way shape or form um procedurally the court must ask for alocution but again
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it's optional >> Mary I think one of the questions we have though is why can't we ask him
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anything why can't we get any information and I'll ask it by offering a little context I think a lot of us
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look at what had happened and if anything hope that there was a warning sign there that future young men and
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women who go to these universities, could we possibly find that out? Would there not be a benefit to trying to get
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at some of those answers? >> Look, absolutely. I mean, there's a benefit to understanding the why, you
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know, and and and a benefit to understanding everything, the plotting, how did he figure out who they were? Did
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he know who they were? Did this just become a happen stance? I mean, but at the end of the day, you guys have to
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realize that there is a process in place here. And there are protections that are
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afforded not only to the victims, but obviously to the defendant. And this is a capital case. And just like any other
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criminal case, you can't compel them to talk. You couldn't compel them to take the stand. You can't even compel them to
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take a plea agreement. After all of these uh passionate words um eloquent um spoken through pain, broken hearts, the
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judge sentences Kobberger to what was agreed to in this plea agreement. He received four consecutive life sentences
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without the possibility of parole along with 10 years for burglary. I remand the
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defendant to the custody of the IDO State Board of Corrections for to be imprisoned in an appropriate facility
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and execution of the sentence where he will remain until he dies. >> Also, uh Coberger has waved his right to
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appeal, but he can file a notice of appeal. What does that mean, Mary? Uh it seems to be contradictory.
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>> Yes. uh under the law, and this is the Supreme Court of the United States, if a
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defendant asks to file a notice of appeal, his attorneys must do so. And failure to do so is a huge procedural
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problem they found. But it's really done to protect those defendants that might not have entered into a waiver of appeal
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voluntarily, who who might not have plead guilty knowingly and voluntarily. So here, although he has the right to
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file that notice of appeal, and they must do so if he asks, uh, I predict that an appellet court, if he did, would
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look at the the basis for the waiver and make sure that it's adequate and determine that it was in this case and
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that the waiver was knowing and voluntary uh, and therefore reject any appeal. We've touched on this a bit, but
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at this point, after hearing all that people had to say and all the questions they still have, everyone wonders, why
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did Brian Coberger murder Maddie, Kaye, Zana, and Ethan? Even President Trump weighed in days before the hearing,
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posting on Truth Social, "I hope the judge makes Cober at a minimum explain why he did these horrible murders. There
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are no explanations. There is no nothing." At a presser, Lieutenant Darren Gilbertson of the Idaho State
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Police said, "We have never to this date found a single connection between him and any of the four victims or the two
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surviving roommates." Detectives also said they found no social media connection between Coberger and the
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victims. There was also evidence he wiped his devices regularly, using software to clean, and he also used VPN.
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And we also heard that they never found the weapon. They never found the clothes
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he was wearing that night. >> Uh but I think what we do know is that he's going to that area over 20 times.
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So there had to have been some connection. He's going to that area. He's doing something. And it's not like
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he's going to random areas. He's going to that particular area. So you don't always know the answer to all the
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questions. But I would suspect there's some connection at some point along the way and we might just never know what it
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was. Judge Hipler acknowledged the public's need to understand the why. >> I share the desire expressed by others
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to understand the why. But upon reflection, it seems to me, and this is just my own opinion, that by continuing
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to focus on why, we continue to give Mr. Cobberger relevance. We give him agency,
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and we give him power. The need to know what is inherently not understandable makes us dependent upon the defendant to
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provide us with a reason and that gives him the spotlight, the attention and the
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power he appears to crave. >> Finally, after all of this time, the judge lifted the gag order on this case.
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Uh when can we expect to learn new details? What does it mean now that the gag order is gone?
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Well, it means that people can talk, right? You're going to hear a lot of people talking. You could hear some of
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the victims and the roommates talking and and the police and investigators can all now speak about about the case and
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their investigation, the facts, evidence, whatever they found. Um, when it comes to the documents that are
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sealed though, the judge made it very clear that he was going to wait until obviously this notice of appeal uh time
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lapsed before he would actually review those and decide what to unseal and not to unseal. But that time period is about
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42 days. And so I think once that time period lapses, we're going to see the judge looking at these documents closely
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and then um hopefully releasing some that will hopefully answer some questions that everybody's been asking.
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>> And a number of these documents are already revealing initial reports from arriving at the scene, conversations
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with family members. You know, as much as we talk about closure in this case, I think what people need to understand is
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we're going to start seeing body cam footage of at least conversations with witnesses and people standing outside. A
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lot of information is going to come out. And as of this recording, the Moscow Police Department just posted its police
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reports and other documents on its website. As more information comes to light, we will continue to keep you up
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to date on this perplexing, disturbing case. And we'll leave it at that for today.
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Mary and Matt, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me and thanks to all of you for listening. I'm
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Peter Vans.