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[Music] the week before Frank was murdered we were at a go-kart race Frank would be running all these
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cars and it got so competitive and they loved it he couldn't quit a real competitor yeah
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he really he just he the quit wasn't in him Frank Spencer was he was like a big teddy
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bear if he knew you he'd cut a leg off get up and ask if you need anything else he was one of a kind great
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person outstanding friend I've talked to at least five of Frank's friends who've all told me they
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were Frank's best friend I think that speaks volumes about who Frank Spencer was Peter this is the Frank Spencer
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residence uh the scene of the murder really unchanged since 2012 can you take me inside sure let's
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go Frank Spencer's body was right here on these tiles oh my is that remnants of his blood here it
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is we didn't have to ask each other we knew knew we knew it was Maria we didn't know who else might have been involved
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but we knew it was her Maria Spencer to me is a classic fem fatal an attractive woman a seductress who when a man
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becomes involved with her this is going to end poorly how would I describe her as a terrorist you keeping with me cuz
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I'm not with you I mean it's done it was a campaign of Terror Frank is afraid of
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Maria and he's also afraid of Roco Franklin Roco Franklin's Maria Spencer's father everybody knew who Rocco was I'm
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a street guy Roco everybody calls me rock what was the reputation of Roco the mythology of Roco in the community he
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was a hitman he would do things for people he was had some type of association with the mob I'm not a
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violent guy no I don't mind breaking somebody legs but they deserve it this was not simply a murder
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case Frank told me where it was going to happen was going to be at his house she said you're going to get shot
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in the head and she told him that I think she was an emotionally troubled woman who did not want to be
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divorced if you could picture somebody screaming help help help and everybody's just standing around watching that's
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what the situation was like was he a dead man walking absolutely in his opinion yes you w win unless I let you in he
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understand you don't win sper how could this all happen if you made this into a movie
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tomorrow nobody believe it actually happened [Music] [Music] I was working on a go
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uh we're right in the middle of a big series we were trying to win it was July 3rd 2012 in the once
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easygoing town of Bloomsburg Pennsylvania a Tuesday Joe yodok Frank Spencer's lifelong friend hadn't heard
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from him since Saturday and I had been texting him cuz we had issues we had to work on with the go-karts Joe and Frank
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raced go-karts together for years with their kids and so that morning Joe went went looking to find his missing buddy
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I'll never forget it I was pulling down the driveway and I thought man I hope I don't find him dead when Joe found Frank
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lying on the floor it took him a moment to process what he was seeing and he had
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this look of Peace calmness that he hadn't had in a long time uh I stepped over his legs and I
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noticed what looked like dried blood in his ear now I realized what happened and
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then he wasn't alive this loss of somebody you knew from the time you were in kindergarten can you put that in
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words nope it was a tragedy but not a mystery for Frank's loved ones most suspected Maria Spencer Frank's former
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wife who had officially become his ex-wife just 3 weeks before the murder Maria didn't want the divorce and the
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proceedings had been drawn out and contentious very contentious you could tell there was just Venom didn't matter
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who was there she'd fly in screaming slamming car doors ironically Maria's passion was one
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of the things that had attracted Frank to her in the first place he liked the crazy Frank's friend Paul ceciliano you
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know in the beginning when they were together it was fun for him you know cuz he did have that kind of Wildside to him
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Frank and Maria eloped in 1997 soon they had a son Cyrus and then a daughter Frankie well the kids were
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the were his biggest priority everything he did was about the kids when Frank's father retired he took over the family
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business a junkyard located behind Frank's childhood home Frank's friend and Joe's wife Katie yodok he knew
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everybody I mean everybody in the town knew Frank Spencer Frank's friends say Maria didn't seem to
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warm to family life the way Frank had Frank was disappointed that she wasn't taking that much of an interest in the
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kids the marriage eventually began to crumble and Frank filed for divorce in 2006 police were called several times
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for domestic disputes despite this Frank wanted to keep the kids in one home his
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friend Ron Roman Frank said that kids shouldn't be punished by having to go to their
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mother's house or their father's house this is your house so this week I live here then the that week I'll leave and
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that that the kids should try to have as stable as life as they possibly can but
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friends say Maria was anything but stable in 2008 she was arrested after a scuffle with Frank's mother at her
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daughter's school she was charged with disorderly conduct harassment and child endangerment for allegedly not buckling
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her daughter into the car Tom lipold prosecuted the case when he was an assistant DA but didn't feel
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he could prove child endangerment and so I agreed to dismiss that charge in exchange for the plate of the two other
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offenses Maria pleed guilty and had to pay a $600 fine but the Judgment only seemed to Fu Maria's rage she repeatedly
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threatened to kill Frank sometimes in front of other people Frank had been reporting those threats to local police
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for years the issue is is that Frank and Maria relationship was volatile Hemlock
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Township police officer Scott Tross says Frank and Maria would fight but often reconcile he says he wrote up Maria's
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threats but says Frank didn't want it pursued he just wanted things documented for his sake in case something happened
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to him by 2009 the Spencer's divorce battle was 3 years along and still far from
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over but emotionally Frank was moving on did the two of you hit it off right away
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we did Frank and I both admit that we were both smitten at the same time when meeting each
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other Julie Dent met Frank through mutual friends and things soon turned serious Maria did not take this news
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well especially when she heard Julie had spent time with the children hey Julie it's Maria Spencer you can go out with
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Frank but do not make no mistake about it watch my children the situation escalated further that summer Maria's
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father Rocco Franklin who had a reputation as a tough guy was released from prison after serving 5 years on
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fraud charges this was not good news to Frank he started changing his habits uh when when her father was out
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of jail because he was very concerned about something happening to him did he feel like he was being hunted
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yes a few months after Rocco's release there was a Breakin at Frank's junkyard nothing of value was taken but a pile of
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business records was stolen documents that could potentially help Maria prove Frank's income in the divorce the day
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after the apparent break-in uh I received a phone call from Maria Spencer saying that she had found a trash bag on
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the front porch of her mother's house with all these business records in it remember Tom lipold the man who once
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prosecuted Maria he was now serving as Maria's divorce attorney even though he was still an assistant DA it may sound
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bizarre but it is allowed in Pennsylvania for part-time prosecutors in terms of appearances do you understand why it for
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some it's troubling that you took on Maria Spencer because she'd had all these run-ins with the law doesn't that
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compromise you it did not compromise me I had no contact and no involvement with
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any criminal matter involving Frank Spencer or Maria Spencer after I undertook to represent her in the
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divorce none many in town suspected Maria and Roco had been involved in the burglary Sergeant TR interviewed Maria
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and gathered evidence which he took to the DA Tom Li hold's boss um I consulted with the district attorney at that time
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and then I reviewed the entire case with him and he determined that there was not
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enough to pursue criminal charges against Maria Spencer Maria gave the documents to her lawyer and they were
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ultimately returned to Frank but the burglary was left unsolved to this day I don't understand it it's like we're in a
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you know some weird Universe Frank's friends were beginning to wonder if Maria would ever be stopped especially
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when they saw what happened next I guess when the house burned down I was like this isn't a game
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anymore tough talk or threats listen to more of Maria Spencer's voicemails on Facebook at 48
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[Music] Hours hey Julie it's Maria Spencer jimm me a favor don't watch my children do
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not get between me and Frank by doing my children do you understand me by the winter of 2010 the war of the Spencers
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continued and so did the threats from Maria I've never been threatened I really chocked it up to just a a bully
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that she was just running her mouth as she so often did Maria continued to harass Frank too
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often making veiled threats about her father hey Frank it's Maria she's an old man got funny ways I thought I'd let you
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know because I care about you because I wanted to frighten you despite the threats Julie and Frank
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tried to live a normal life that January they planned a romantic trip to the Caribbean and was Maria aware that you
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were about to take a vacation unfortunately yes Maria started texting Julie about Frank he says he loves me
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and didn't want to disappoint you on your only vacation this year and do you want to know if he loves you or me then
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the night before they were supposed to leave she asked Frank to dinner to talk about custody and dinner turned into a
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room for the night at a hotel she lured him away that night Frank's mother's home where he lived off and on went up
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in Flames Frank's friends rushed to the scene including his divorce attorney Joel whis nobody could find Frank we
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were all very upset thinking Frank was in the fire fortunately the house was empty that night except for the kid's
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dog who died in the fire Frank's friend Dirk Reed says as they were standing by the smoldering ruins Maria drove up
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smiling drives up the driveway smirk on her face turned around left that was that Frank arrived soon after Maria left
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and told the state police fire marshal that he was certain Maria and her father had set the fire but the Fire Marshall
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said there was no way to find evidence of arson because the structure was destroyed the fire was designated
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undetermined Frank was extremely angry that they could not figure out why or how the fire started Frank was done with
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just wanting things documented he wanted an arrest Frank and I approached everybody we could think of in the law
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enforcement Community I still until to this day do not know if there was ever an investigation Sergeant tra from the
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hemlock Township Police started a case File and spoke to Maria but says because of the Fire Marshal's conclusion there
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was little else he could do I did have a strong suspicion that it was arson um but I'm not an expert so when he
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determined that that's what I have to go with after the fire Maria seemed to taunt Frank in a text
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karma is a wonderful thing you destroyed my life I feel a lot better since your whole life went up in the fire makes it
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fair and I can hear her saying it it was just a text I can hear it Maria followed
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up with another menacing text about Julie I will make her lose her job her home and you did Frank read that to you
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he did he was very um to Dro by it as time went on Maria's threats grew more bold and more public at a kids
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soccer game Maria screamed in Julie's face that her house was next a few months later Julie was home alone asleep
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it was when I heard the breaking of glass as I came around to the top of the stairs as I was about to round the
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corner I was greeted by a fireball literally a fireball coming up the stairs what do you do nothing else I
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could do but to open a window and go out onto the porch roof Julie jumped from her secondstory porch roof and survived
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shaken but uninjured I lost everything and do you believe that the sole intent of this was to burn a house
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down or was it to kill you I do believe it also had the component of of ridding me from the life yes of Frank Spencer
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Julie lived in a different County and she and Frank were hoping for a better outcome this time but another state
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police fire marshal at the scene that night said he couldn't find evidence of what started the fire at this point even
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I wasn't accepting it let alone Frank Julie's home insurance sent a fire inspector out the next morning and Joel
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whis says he showed him what they found here by this window there was a car jack
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right here laying on the ground it was a scissor jack that would lift the car what would a jack be doing here it's
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heavy it's steel it was used to break that window in and the investigator noticed a path through the weeds by the
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house there was a milk jug a gallon container and there was an unused road flare lying next to it an igniter an
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igniter which said to the investigator these are the makings of a firebomb a firebomb the state police fire marshal
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came back out to the scene and they used their apparatus to determine accelerance
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and there was gasoline all over those steps this time the fire was ruled and arson Frank and Julie told the fire
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marshal they were certain Maria was involved and shared her prior threats but once again no one was charged in the
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fall of 2010 Frank and Julie tried separating briefly and in desperation told their story to a local
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paper a year and a half later there was something else in the newspaper an announcement that Frank and Maria were
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finally divorced had the two of you talked about spending the rest of your lives together perhaps we
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did yes but that would never happen the day after that divorce notice was published Frank Spencer
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was dead let's open this a little bit farther oh my this is his home right here yes it is
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right here on the left uh this is the murder scene Pennsylvania State Police Corporal Shawn Williams was assigned to
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lead the murder investigation the day Frank Spencer's body was found on that July Morning as you
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approach the front door here what did you see Peter there was a lot of blood right here in front of this doorway uh
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the blood had striations in it like as though it been pushed with a push broom attempt at cleanup
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Frank's house has been frozen in time in the years since his murder in 2012 you can see some of our Chemical
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Testing uh Frank Spencer's blood uh spattered against uh this frame and door can you get us inside
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sure Frank Spencer's body was right here on these tiles uh Frank's head was uh behind this doorway and his arms were
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outreached above his head he was laying on his back investigators found their next clue in the blood around Frank's
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Body right here where this section of the floor was removed the forensic Service Unit did
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their collection of evidence uh they found that there were Footwear Impressions on this tile in blood
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Footprints yes right here yes we sent it to the FBI uh for analysis and it came back that it was a Dr scholes model
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Escape brand uh size 11 uh sneaker the same size and brand of shoe that Maria's father Rocco was known to
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wear what other evidence did you find here in the house I can show you if you come on in this is the main living room
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of Frank's Spencer's home we come back into the kitchen here the forensic Services Unit they
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found a glove a yellow cleaning glove uh right about this position right here you expect to see a rubber glove in
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the kitchen but not laying in in the middle of the floor and the mate for the rubber glove was actually right inside
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the sink here when the gloves were tested Maria's DNA was found inside friends say she
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hadn't lived in that house in over a [Music] year it wasn't a a door slam close the
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file and make an arrest but it definitely helped us along the way Detective Williams had now apparently
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linked Maria and her father Rocco to the murder scene but that could only take William so far I mean we work in our
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business with fact so just because everybody in town was saying I think Maria did this I think her father did
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this we couldn't just assume that but soon investigators uncovered more evidence of two suspects Frank had been
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shot by two different guns and forensic analysis determined that the first bullet struck Frank when he was outside
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the front door and it came from a rifle uh a bullet passed through his bicep and went into his chest cavity and was
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that a fatal shot do you believe yes since a rifle is typically a longdistance weapon police expanded
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their search into the woods Peter right up here on this Ridge across from the house you'll see a y in a tree and
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there's a big base this one right up here yes so that is the location uh where we found a spent casing a live
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casing both 30 o six rounds and there was a soft gun case uh for a long rifle uh located as well now this killing took
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place in July height of summer so I take it this whole Hillside would be covered
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with leaves bushes would Frank have seen an attacker up there I wouldn't think so so this was
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a classic Ambush yes after that first shot Williams says Frank was dragged in inside and shot again this time with a
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handgun at close range then why a second bullet it could be a motivation of hatred uh it could be a message sent to
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Frank Spencer that shot meant something to someone that put it there Detective Williams had another
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mystery to solve where was Frank's pickup truck we have a victim inside the house but there was no vehicle there for
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the victim investigators checked security cameras along the roads near Frank's house and
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they found images of Frank's truck driving away from his house just minutes after they calculated he had been
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murdered but who was inside the [Music] truck I sent it to the United States Secret Service and it was still just too
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far away it wasn't like they could zoom in look through the window and see who was there
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Frank's truck was eventually found in Sunbury Pennsylvania 27 mil from Frank's house and just 5 miles from where Maria
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was living at the [Music] time Frank's missing truck had led police toward Maria's home but there was
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something else missing from Franks that day that would lead them toward rocos and then all of a
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sudden there was a dog up here right over here is a w [Music] [Music] miranian you good what do you think it
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look all right yeah so Frank and Barbara Pinto run a wedding venue in Dolphin Pennsylvania 72 miles from where Frank
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Spencer was killed on the day of the murder they were setting up for a wedding when an
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Uninvited Guest wandered in beautiful dog just come saching in I said well whose dog is this and nobody knew whose
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dog it was it was Frank's dog Mutley adopted after his kid's dog was killed in that fire so did Mutley look
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exhausted like taken some 70 mile journey to get here no you could tell he was somebody's dog he was very well
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taken care of take care of Detective Williams realized that someone had driven Mutley to dolphin and that person
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must have been at Frank's house at the time of the murder and how many killers would take a
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dog with them unless they knew that dog I wouldn't think too many Williams learned that Rocco lived in Harrisburg
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Pennsylvania and the wedding venue is right along the road from Frank's house to Rocco
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O's cell phone is on that direct route that same day Williams theorizes that Maria had asked Roco to take Muttley for
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the kids sake and that Mutley had run off accidentally when Roco stopped along the
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way it was now 2 months after Frank's murder and Williams wanted to talk to his two main suspects Maria refused but
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to William's surprise Rocco agreed which still blows my mind why he decided to talk to us however I think Rocco likes
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that cat and mouse part of an investigation Rocco did give Williams an alibi what did he say he said I never
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left Harrisburg I couldn't believe it because I know from his cell phone that he had traveled twice Roco told police a
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Preposterous story saying that while he had never liked Frank he was actually at
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Frank's house the day before the murder without Maria helping tidy up I what kind of cleaning were you doing and he
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said well uh I was you know folding laundry and uh cleaning up with the push broom that's the same push broom that
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was used to clean Frank's blood off the porch even more far-fetched Rocco said Frank had let him test drive his truck
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that day and that when he offered to buy it it Frank suggested they wrestle for it basically what he's saying is I
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touched Frank Spencer I touched the truck and I touch that push broom it sounds like he's trying to create a
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scenario if you find my DNA in any of these places this is why absolutely around the same time Rocco
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was talking to Williams Frank's friend Dirk saw Maria in the stands at a high school football
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game so I just sat down beside her and I said I just want to let you know don't worry about me around your kids I said
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I'm never going to say anything to disrespect you or Frank around your kids and she looked at me and goes that's why
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you're still alive Reed and I just looked at her and said tell your dad I said hi and she went off
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like many of Frank's friends Dirk suspected Rocco had helped Maria murder Frank and we were basically almost nose
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to nose and I'm going why you took him away from not just your kids from everybody what did she say to that
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though I mean did she say I didn't kill him oh no no what she said was the last thing he saw before he died was
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me it was a wretched moment for dirk but a huge piece of evidence for the case she's putting herself at a homicide
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scene if she saw someone take their last breath she's saying she was there by that Autumn Williams was working with
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prosecutor Tony foray the senior Deputy attorney general for the Commonwealth of
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Pennsylvania I think it was horrible that what Frank went through foray was handling the prosecution because the
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County DA was now Tom lipold Maria's former divorce attorney and he had recused himself from the
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case foray was a gast when he learned Frank had been reporting death threats for years both before and after the
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fires in 2010 in the state of Pennsylvania is making a death threat to someone is that
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a crime yes that would be a terroristic threat even when Frank did ask police to
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investigate some of the threats he reported Maria was never brought in for an interview or charged with making
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terroristic threats you get away with terroristic threats and then if you get away with a burglary and you get away
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with a fire and you get away with a blatant attempt to murder a girlfriend in a fire the only thing left is
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murder local police officer Scott TRW people in this town who believe that you and other members of the hemlock
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Township uh police department were just not doing your job you were not properly
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investigating these threats and complaints you say what that's not true every incident that was thoroughly
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investigated if they were serious in nature um the colum County district attorney was consulted and he would
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determine at that time if somebody would get arrested or not arrested the County
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district attorney during most of the time leading up to Frank's murder was Gary Norton he says he never knew about
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Maria's threatening voicemails and texts as District attorney I only know what the police tell me and Norton says it
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was usually up to police to make arrests not the da but when I was Da 95 to 99% of the arrests that were made were made
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without consultation with the da the police had that power and exercised that power Julie danfire was not in TRW or
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Norton's district and Norton says he didn't ignore Frank's mother's Fire or the theft of Frank's business records he
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said say he was following the law is there an arson and can we prove arson no is there a burglary no because Frank
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Spencer had no proof that it was Maria who entered the premises before a prosecutor can ethically bring a charge
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there has to be evidence or proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt but prosecutor Tony fory felt he could prove the earlier
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crimes and Frank's murder it took time to gather evidence and in 2013 foray convened a grand jury this time both
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suspects agreed to talk and there was no interrupting Maria so as soon as she took a breath I would ask a question did
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you ever threaten to kill Frank Spencer her answer would be absolutely not check
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one count of perjury did you ever threaten Julie Dent absolutely not check and so for8 charged Maria with 12 counts
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of perjury more than a dozen other charges and most importantly Frank Spencer's murder in July
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2014 Williams went to arrest her and that's when I told her she was under arrest for the murder of Frank Spencer
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she immediately began to say oh my God oh my God oh my God the warrant for Rocco's arrest was
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issued the same day but Rocco was nowhere to be found it had been two years since Frank
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Spencer's murder and Maria Spencer was finally under arrest it was like you lifted you know a weit like there's
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1,000 lb on your back but her father Rocco had skipped town the year before fleeing right after he finished his
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grand jury testimony within like 36 hours Roco Franklin had boarded a plane to Columbia South America and are you
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hot on his Trail not at that point that's because Roco had an 11-month Head Start but once Williams had an arrest
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warrant and a Little Help from the state department he found him he was only four
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blocks away from the United States Embassy in Buenos series AR artina I couldn't believe that it was sort of
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that easy sort of was the operative term within weeks Roo was arrested by Argentinian police but he fought
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extradition and so in the fall of 2015 Maria Spencer went on trial for Frank's murder
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alone prosecutor Tony foray the totality of what went on is I think both the strength of the case and also the the
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horror of the case foray had Maria's DNA at the crime scene the truck found close
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to her home and her history of death threats Maria's defense was to blame her own father clearly the defense strategy
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was this was all Roco Roco Roco He's the bad guy it was all him cameras were not
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allowed inside the trial one by one Frank's friends took the stand how many of you uh were called upon to testify at
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trial all of us all of us they told the jury about the fires Maria's admission that she was at the crime scene and the
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years of harassment Julie Dent testified about an especially disturbing threat so
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what would she say to Frank one specific that I remember plain as day is that she would cut off both of
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his hands and dip it into hot tart cauterize them so that she would never he would never be able to hold his
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children again the trial lasted 9 days as the jury began its deliberation Frank's
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friends were worried you're just think my God things never seem to go our way you know I was
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scared 8 hours later the jury had reached a verdict I look down I never look at the jury because I don't want to
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react I'm waiting which seems like an eternity and then it's guilty guilty guilty guilty Maria was found guilty on
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all counts for murdering Frank Spencer and for the two arson the burglary 12 counts of perjury conspiracy and
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terroristic threats Merry Christmas she was sentenced to life without parole plus 50 years that was it that was it
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yep that's it for all of us oh my thank you thank God it took another year and a half but
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in 2017 Williams was finally able to bring Roco back to St Tron I never done anything you killed Mr Spencer of course
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not don't talk big Maria had argued Rocco killed Frank alone but Rocco wasn't following that script come on I
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got no beef with Frank Spencer if I had a beef I a broke his face a long time ago but Rocco who spoke to us from the
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county jail doesn't appear to be holding a grudge against Maria for trying to blame it all on him Maria never hurt
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nobody what they did to that girl's outrageous Roco says he's innocent of murder and the rest of it but they got
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no proof what proof they had show me one piece of evidence one eyewitness one fingerprint one
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anything prosecutor foray says he has plenty of evidence from the shoe print in Frank's blood Footprints yes to
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Rocco's ridiculous Story how are you feeling Rocco I'm doing fine how you doing putting himself at Frank's before
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the murder and of course the arrival of Mutley at that wedding like I'm that dumb that I'm a steal a guy I'm supposed
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to whack take his dog and leave it 10 miles from my house come on that don't even sound
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right in the Autumn of 2018 after a 4-day trial Roco Franklin was convicted of Frank's murder and for the burglary
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and the arson at Frank's mother's house he was sentenced to life plus 45 years I mean this has been a long drawn
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out affair and it never needed to be what we're going through now Dirk's wife Dena Reed after the first fire she
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should have been in prison um Frank should still be here Sergeant TR says he did what he
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could Frank said I I understand that but I wouldn't do anything and our department would do anything differently
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than we did Tony foray has called what Frank experienced an epic failure of law enforcement did anyone stop and look at
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the totality of everything that was going on and do something significant in terms of arresting either Maria or her
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father Rocco the answer is no well there's not a crime in the Pennsylvania crimes code that's called the totality
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of the circumstances make you look really guilty former da Gary Norton you have to analyze these things Case by
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case and ask yourself can then arrest be made and can I in good faith secure a conviction Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and
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the answer uh was yes where we prosecuted her and no and we did not prosecute her I reacted as best I could
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in the situation and my conscience is clear I don't have any regrets as to what I
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did out in front of the courthouse where Gary Norton now serves as a judge and Maria's former divorce lawyer Tom lipold
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serves as the county d a is a fundraising brick Frank Spencer purchased years ago he dedicated it to
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his children and there's not a day that goes by that I don't think about them and I and I still can't figure out
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why why it happened [Music] was Rocco a wise guy listen to what he has to say at 48
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hours.com right now it seems as if everything is unpredictable we're all stuck at home and like you I'm feeling a
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bit helpless right now but I want you to know we are here for you all working together you are not alone that's right
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