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real people real crimes real life drama in the mid 1980s a young funeral home director named Bernie
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Titi came to the little East Texas town of [Music] Carthage it's beautiful yes I love the
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people here in Carthage Carthage is just a small town of 6,000 people a lot of people got very wealthy on oil fall in
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gas there's a lot of little widows in town who have a lot of money none more so than Mrs margorie
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Nan Bernie Titi was running a con on my grandmother they picked up a gun shot her four times in the back and
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then he buried her in her own deep freeze my name is Bernie TAA you may have heard about me this is my story
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they did a movie about me me called Bernie Jack Black who's going to play you [Applause]
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yes Richard link later is my favorite filmmaker I've ever worked with all right cut I'm Rick linklater and I directed
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the movie Bernie there was something about this story that stayed with me and I think it was that relationship the
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Miss nent Bernie relationship and the Bernie Tito that you know is he a good man he's the sweetest guy you know he's
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the a great man very complex character is that part of what attracted you to this
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film The thing about playing Bernie is that he's lovable and it's really important to
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Bernie that he be loved perf submiss and I can relate to that visions of I have a little bit of that in me too
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you know this would be funny if it was wouldn't so damn sad apparently marjerie was tough she was vile and hateful and
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just mean w hi hello she's very loving I miss her Bernie stole $3.8 million from
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my grandmother and then he put four bullets in her back at close range how did this happen and that was what the
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movie explored she didn't have a lot of friends she didn't have a lot of people around her to take care of her and to
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love her and that's where Bernie came in did she ever look at you Bernie and say
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Bernie I love you well we often told each other that yes she was a wonderful woman and didn't deserve to be executed
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by Bernie Titi I have to live with is every day of my life and I don't like that I think the film is asking the
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question can the nicest person in the world I don't like thinking of Mary be capable of the worst
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[Music] [Music] [Music] act [Music] let's go back and start the Bernie story from the
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beginning where'd you grow up well right here in East Texas one way or another Bernie TAA has
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been dealing with death and darkness since he was 3 years old my daddy and my mother they had a car accident and my
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mother was riding in the passenger side of the car and uh um daddy never forgave himself for that
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his mother dead his father started drinking hard and died when Bernie was just 15 so a lot of death had occurred
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in our in our family things only got worse for Bernie he claims he was molested by his own Uncle Elmer ducet 12
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when my uncle began molesting me ducet has always denied Bernie's allegations did it darken your world in some way yes
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it did Bernie learned firsthand that the wounded lonely and those the dead leave
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behind need comforting this was Bernie Tia's world I guess you could say that's true here Carlton shamburger is the
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owner of Hawthorne Funeral Home where Bernie worked for 9 years he was very successful here at Hawthorns and as a
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funeral director overall he could do everything he could he was talented could do everything from makeup hair he
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could sing he could preach even out coloration then apply highlights it would just be part of what inspired
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director Richard linklater and actor Jack Black to collaborate on the Darkly comic movie Bernie too much color does
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not make one look more alive he was on a lot of people's list to literally sing them to Heaven he knew how to take care
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of families he could connect that quickly connect yeah exactly so it wasn't long after 27-year-old
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Bernie arrived in Carthage back in 1985 that everyone seemed to know him from the dusty dirt roads one of his
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excellent qualities was he was a gourmet cook where Jack Payne and Ira bounds live I think that he was well thought of
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amongst the little old ladies in town and at Comer's famous barbecue he taught our Sunday school he preached a
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funeral for us even down at the courthouse did you know Bernie TAA yes where local Legend district attorney
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Danny Buck Davidson ruled back then and still rules today everyone sense something good had come to town you
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think G I'm glad this guy came here he's an asset to the community everybody love
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Barney I come to the G alone well I enjoyed singing in the choir and then I got active also in the
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school here in the drama Department I was acting and and and doing in plays and you were often times the star often
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times often times yes did you feel loved in this community very much so I felt very much loved local ladies Lisa and
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Susie cochrell sum it up simply he was a God he God I mean almost people really s
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like that yeah he's got a warmth got a magnetism just a super generous sensitive guy and
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is is everybody's best friend Bernie TAA always had that human touch he knew just
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what to say to bring a smile to anyone who needed it so when a grieving vulnerable Widow came here to the
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Hawthorne Funeral Home Bernie saw an opportunity to do what he did best in 1990 the town's leading banker and
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oilman Rod nent hard-nosed tough but fair businessman man dies skip Hollingsworth covered the case for Texas
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monthly magazine and Bernie is in charge of his funeral I inbombed his body and got him ready for the funeral and Mrs
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Nan arrives and I'd met with her about the arrangements Marjorie nent would one day be portrayed by Oscar winning
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actress Shirley mlan I saw her to the grave site we had the funeral service there and then I took her back to the
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car are you thinking to yourself well we've parted ways we did some business and never shall meet again well no cuz
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that's not how I I conduct funerals as I often do with the widows widowers check
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on them uh go by the house make sure they're all right did they appreciate your your dropping by oh very much so
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why don't you know that I was thinking about you you know these times can be hard well Margie wasn't a Huggy C person
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Ruth cochrell would come to know as much as anyone in Carthage about the Friendship of Bernie and margorie well
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we are first cousins were you guys close we got pretty close could margerie be difficult I think any of us can be
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difficult I mean as an old setting hand [Music] sometimes in small towns anywhere your
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reputation is not often defined by who you are it's by what people think of you and so the reputation did get around
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that Mrs Nan could be cantankerous could Marjorie be mean yes sir she could and another thing newly widowed
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74-year-old margorie nent was loaded with cash she would kind of be a call a blue blood as much as $6 million some
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soaps and a little bubble bath to soo the in the tub Bernie wasn't about to be turned away come in oh that it would be
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my pleasure I felt sorry for margorie I really did and soon Marjorie and Bernie were
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seen on the scene The Odd Couple of Carthage we'd go to the Cherokee club we would go to the Jalapeno Tree here in
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Carthage yeah they were uh they were a pair and it wasn't long before marjerie wanted more than a part-time dinner date
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and Bernie complied SL she asked me to leave the funeral home she just wanted more and more and more of me around she
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actually hired Bernie and paid him a salary there's this notion out there that you were attracted to margery's
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money yes um I'm aware of that uh I that was not part of the deal that was not part of my wanting to be around
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Marjorie there's members of margery's family that tell a different story Bernie TAA is what a
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thief just two hours up the road in Dallas these are some of our old family photos of my grandmother three proud
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granddaughters everything that has been said about her is not her have a very different take on just why Bernie was
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befriending Marjorie he saw her as a mark he stole her money when he was about to be found
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out he shot her and killed her that's the real story that is the real [Music] [Music]
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story is this case about money yes it is how so I think that defines everything The Majestic Gates swung open to a
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kingdom of riches and Bernie TAA rolled right in I think the Fatal mistake my grandmother made is she ended up buying
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a $30,000 headstone from Bernie D from that moment he marked her within months of meeting at her
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husband's funeral Bernie was fulltime at marjerie Nan's ey popping home helping her with anything that she needed help
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with make her coffee make sure she was up she was all right he was there he was there for her
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they loved each other yeah Bernie loves everybody and I think he's the one person in the world in that era who
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could feel that from Marge when no one else could I never thought of them as being lovey Dobies never just just just
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together just friends I never saw him kiss you never did nope and da Danny Buck probably
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never would because there was something about Bernie that made folks Wonder back
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then I'm a gay man and it's hard to be a a gay man and being out in a small town
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did margerie know you were gay we never discussed it never discussed no so what was the attraction she's 42 years older
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than you right he was targeting wealthy women well I think the attraction for Marjorie was uh the same as it was for
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every everybody else in town he was just a a lovable guy when you spend time with him you
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want to hang out with him less than a year after her husband's death Bernie and margerie started
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hanging out big time trading in the back roads for Broadway we'd go up on Friday
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morning and then come back on Sunday saw Broadway shows we had a lot of fun together Bernie TAA the morti who made
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about $24,000 a year now had access to marjerie Nan's 10,000 sqt mansion in Carthage her checkbook and a world of
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opportunity they went on great adventures together away hi hello they had a ball together they traveled the
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world we went to Washington Baltimore and then took a a cruise down the East Coast we went to uh ger Germany
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England Scotland and Wales to Egypt I went to the pyramids we just went everywhere was she having a good time
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she was having a great time he was her man servant is it too busy the guy hired to
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take care of her every need clipped her toenails all the uh nitty-gritty and for
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Bernie the perks kept piling up marjerie showered him with cash clothing cars even flying lessons and planes to
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go with it and in turn Bernie gave gifts to the good people of Carthage he provided
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money he provided scholarships doing good doing a lot of good in Carthage turns out he was generous with M Nan's
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money he was kind of the conduit to her generosity to her better Angel she spoiled me rotten but the nents say
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their Grandma never needed Bernie or anyone to teach her kindness my grandmother was a loving sweet woman and
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she was kind she was she was kind and she loved telling stories this is really eye
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openening guys to talk to you this is really eye opening in '93 like we went there and she opened
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the door and she hugged me and she kissed me like eight times but whatever margery's affection for her
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granddaughters the stakes were about to change Marjorie nent filed a new will leaving everything to Bernie and nothing
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to her family did you encourage her to do that no she brought that to me uh one day and it was in
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1991 why would she do that well I felt like she could felt like she could trust trust me I guess it was on one of the
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next family visits to Carthage that the nent women got a hint of How Deeply Bernie had moved into their
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grandmother's life flash forward to 1994 we go to see her and she opens the door and she goes I don't know who you
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are and I go what do you mean you don't know who we are and she goes I don't know who you are she's like you need to
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leave and we went in and there were pictures of Bernie every everywhere and we said who is this you know nanny who
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is this and she said well he's my friend and the thing that Disturbed me was that
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all of the pictures of my grandfather were gone for shanana Alexandria and Susan Grandma margery's new Behavior was
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disturbing she was like a school girl in love and the motives of her new companion deeply suspect we believe that
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my grandmother was in love with Bernie and believed that he was in love with her when was the last time you guys saw
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your grandmother alive that visit in 1994 and now they worried that Bernie was well on the way to tricking Marjorie
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out of millions I think it's the perfect example of a sweetheart scam um that I have ever seen my grandmother believed
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he loved her how do you know that cuz I saw her but Bernie tells a different story claiming that after 5 years
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attending to Marjorie the relationship had soured and that even though he had his own modest home he felt trapped by
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Marjorie and wanted out Bernie claims marjorie's 247 demands had turned into an abusive relationship she was very uh
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mean-spirited very um uh abrupt with me very um could she be abusive yes very much so in some ways what was her place
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his gilded cage and she closed the door on that cage yeah we were uh in a heated discussion
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about um I I I told her I said I just I've got to I can't do this anymore and I said I I I can't be your friend
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anymore I just can't do this go ahead desert me she was very distraught you can't leave me you're not going to leave
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me no one has ever left me I know you're so I backed my car out of the garage and by the time I got out there
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she had locked the gate on me until I finally de okay I won't leave you I won't leave well just park your car jump
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over the gate run you know whatever but Bernie is not one built for conflict I think he takes it as his fate I can't
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get away from this woman the door's right there Bernie but it's not as simple as that uh people get trapped
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people get trapped no exit no way out and at least according to Bernie feeling like
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margerie nen prisoner reminded him of the abuse he says he suffered as a boy and in some ways did you feel trapped in
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this relationship just as you had been trapped with your uncle yes yes I did I think he is a killer I think he
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has no remorse I don't believe a word that comes out of the man's [Music] mouth [Music]
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[Applause] Bernie TAA claims it pains him to recall how controlling and contener margorie nent
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could be I don't like the things that she did but I don't like talking about him
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either personally and I think he's Pure Evil let's move now to November 19th 1996 tell me about that day and what
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from your perspective led to the tragedy I had gone out to the house to make coffee early
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7:30 got her up that's enough of that ex I don't want you to talk about the shooting this is attorney jod Cole she
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would eventually become a big part of Bernie Tito's life this is all public records I do not want him to talk about
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the shooting and how his story would be told that's enough yet when we spoke with Bernie jod Cole stopped him from
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telling those Grizzly details hard facts everyone from Carthage to Hollywood now knows shot her in the back
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four times shot her dead with this 22 caliber rifle the first bullet in her back makes
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her paralyzed so she falls straight down onto the concrete he shoots her again he
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then walks walks straight up to her body puts the nuzzle to the gun to the back of her and shoots it two more times
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those graphic details would be missing from the movie I remember right before we shot that scene I went up to Jack
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Black and I said have you ever killed anyone in a movie like this yeah yeah that was one of the hardest scenes in
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the movie AR you see a scene like that in a script and you Circle it in the calendar
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when you're going to shoot that and you think about it a lot why can you say something oh no no no no no Jesus no no
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no what have I done I'm sorry that that happened in my life I caused the death of somebody that
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I loved days turned into months as Bernie kept his awful secret and marjorie's family they began to wonder what had
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become of Grandma I started asking my dad have you heard from Nanny I I can't get her and you know maybe she's on
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another trip she'll call you when she gets back and the nent women all busy college students at the time this was
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Christmas it's my grandparents admit there was a reluctance to reach out to Grandma margorie we had the strange
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encounter in 1994 where we didn't feel welcome and every Sunday he'd come sit right beside
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me and give me a full report on Margie and what were you thinking to yourself I'm thinking you're lying that's what
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I'm thinking and I just made up one thing or another you told one she had Alzheimer's another she was in the
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hospital such a a difficult time and Mama would tell us what he had been saying and and it's like Mama are you
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crazy he's either got her locked up in the house poisoning her or he's already killed her if I had gone to the police
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and then been proven wrong I would have been left out of Carthage because people thought so much
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of Bernie so week after week month after month passes marjor is nowhere to be seen nine
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months nine months it was August 18th 1997 the nents had finally shared their concerns with the local
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sheriff I get a call from my dad he and I drive down and it's clear that no one's been there
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for a very long time so where was Marjorie nent I wanted to check the freezer my grandmother was a child of
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the depression so you didn't waste food turning back up the hallway so when Alexandria and the sheriff's deputies
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got to the house she knew exactly where she wanted to go she walked down this hallway Alexandria knew that if her
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grandmother had left the house she would have put everything she kept in the refrigerator in a freezer located inside
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this Pantry she opened the door and there it was it was so quick it was like I walked in I said there's tape on the
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freezer and this is freezer she untaped it and raised it up and threw the lid open and there was a top of Miss n's
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head and I looked at my dad and I said they found her and he just kind of did this and all I wanted at that
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moment was my mom do I regret the fact that I didn't rush down there to stop him from doing
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this yes because that's what you do when you love someone and you find out that the person that they were in love with
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shot them four times in the back as you think how could I have saved them while a motive remained unclear there was Zero
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mystery about the prime suspect Bernie's name was top of list Bernie was easy to
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find he was right in Carthage at home when the sheriff's deputies showed up and brought him in for questioning I was
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so relieved when they came for me and arrested me it felt like this big weight had been
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lifted off my shoulder how could you come to my house eat my food and sing hymns and my cousin over there in the
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Deep Freeze it's Grim when you know you see an old lady on video being pulled out of
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a freezer those are images that stay with you and I think it took two days to thow out and for them to do an autopsy
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strange yeah that same day Bernie TAA confessed to Penola County sheriff's deputies that he murdered margorie nent
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there wasn't a question in anybody's mind everybody knew thank you're right Danny Buck Davidson would charge Bernie
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with first-degree premeditated murder and seek the ultimate penalty laugh life in prison maximum sence and that's when
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this Twisted Texas tale really got strange people in the community were coming in saying Berney was a real good
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guy if he killed her he had a reason for doing poor Bernie he had his groupies Bernie had his groupies yep some people
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are saying hey let him go some people are saying no put them away for life you just have never seen a story
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like this come across your desk ever and people still want to talk about it they're still mystified about what
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really happened on that November afternoon that led Bernie to shoot her four [Applause]
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times I'd stay Bernie TAA had preached and comforted and sang his way into this proud small Town's everyday
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life he held a special place in the hearts of many people in Carthage Texas some folks even suggest Bernie was next
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door to the angels and I said he's an angel all right he's an angel of death your job as a prosecutor you got a
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man who's admitted he put four bullets in the back of a little old lady put her in a preure and kept spin her money
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while she was dead and you have a community saying leave him alone that's what would they say go easy
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on Barney it happened so often he asked for a change of venue and and he got one
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the trial of Bernie TAA for murdering marjerie nent was moved 50 Mi away and in February of 1999 Danny Buck told his
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tale to a jury who had never heard about Bernie I thought it was greed and betrayal that's what I sold to the jury
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Bernie's defense was that he killed margerie in an act of passion that her murder was not premeditated I
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don't know what happened that morning but jury did not relate to him they related to
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me the trial lasted less than a week how long did it take this jury to make its decision I think it took them maybe 20
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minutes to find him guilty 9 years after he met marjerie newon at her husband's funeral Bernie
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was sentenced to life life in prison which is the top Max sentence and I felt pretty good about it I deserve time I've
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done a particularly horrible thing the worst thing in my life Case Closed except for this Richard
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linklater couldn't get the tale of Bernie TAA out of his head I ended up attending the trial and started thinking
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of this maybe there's a movie here Rick and Skip Hollingsworth wrote The Bernie screenplay and brought it to Jack Black
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and he said hey I never told you about this thing that I've been obsessed with this story about this fellow Bernie TAA
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and so I said let me read this thing amaz Jack Black became so intrigued he agreed to play the lead
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role but not before he and Link later paid a visit to a Texas Maximum Security Prison to try and understand just who
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Bernie TAA really was I wanted to come and uh meet you I still think it's important if uh if I want to play a real
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person that I that I should meet you love be around people I'm just a people person black wanted to know what made
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Bernie tick right down to what he felt in the days after he murdered Marjorie that must have been incredibly stressful
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that period with the have no Earth idea it was absolutely horrendous if you're playing a person
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and you have access to them you got to go see them it's just one of the rules of the game I'm very appreciative of of
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them coming to meet me and I have to stay here unless something changes oh there's one man in particular I can
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think of i' you like to talk to the movie Bernie also featured Matthew mccon as Danny Buck Danny Buck's coming to get
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you first ja over here please in April 2012 it premiered in Rick's hometown of Austin critics loved it I know you hate
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me this idea that my grandmother was a monster is ludicrous the Newen family thought it was beyond offensive it was a
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complete lie it was devastating to us I mean they took the most awful part of our lives and just laughed about it and
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joked about it it's like he castes fell over the entire area and now the Bernie TAA story was about to take yet another
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bizarre twist that began right at the movie premiere a little feisty lady comes up to me and says I bet there was
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some you know crazy stuff going on to the trial she's appeals lawyer jod Cole and after watching the movie she got a
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hunch that the trial of Bernie TAA had been a miscarriage of Justice I want the world to know that Bernie TAA is a good
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person and that this outcome is unacceptable I said look at that he snaps and so I thought why did he get a
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life sentence she asked link later if he had the transcripts from Tia's 1999 murder trial he came with his boxes of
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transcripts put it on her desk and like I don't know have at it jod poured over the files knowing that Bernie's sentence
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hinged on Danny Buck's argument that the murder was premeditated and within a couple of
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weeks she had come to see me is there a miracle that's about to occur yes and jod Cole did a lot of work toward that
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Miracle happening all [Music] right Marie margerie are you okay that morning I felt like I wasn't a
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part of the shooting 16 years after he shot marjerie nent dead Bernie painted a picture for defense attorney jod Cole
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about how he felt that awful morning I felt like I wasn't even there and I have learned that that is called a
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dissociative episode I think it's a classic case of a kind of a disassociated moment that's what this
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whole case hinges on a dissociative episode the new age psychological term would
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break the case against Bernie TAA wide open when they are overwhelmed with stress and emotion they
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actually disassociate which is leave their body and Bernie's body the theory goes
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killed marjerie without his mind taking part and he shot her yes involuntarily the nen family would have their own take
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on on Jody's ideas not connected with reality thoroughly confused this woman had been abusing him for a very long
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time and his body acted in a way to end that abuse Bernie also confided in jod what he says is his darkest secret about
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that childhood sexual abuse he claims he suffered at the hands of that Uncle jod brought the findings to the DA
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and he was sold what do you include in terms of why this murder occurred the child abuse and the abuse of
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relationship I think that he did not plan on killing her Denny Buck says if he had to do it all over again he would
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have sought a much lighter sentence 20 years would have been the maximum sentence not because Danny Buck want to
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me it's what the law says Danny Buck then went to B for the killer he had once helped convict and on May 6th 2014
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Bernie T's life sentence thrown out a new sentencing trial is ordered and Bernie is released from prison for the
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time being lots of Miracles have happened in my life the next miracle was in the parking lot Mr linklater picked
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me up and we drove to Austin the real life Bernie Titi just got out of an East Texas prison uh this is Bernie's little
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apartment he lived down here he put me up in his apartment at his home in some ways did Bernie become part of the
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family yeah very much I mean did you ever babysit your kids yeah in Austin Bernie went about creating a new life
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all on borrowed time he joined the Gay Men's Choir in the time of King Herod he became a regular at Pastor Sid Hall's
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Church our folks surrounded him like mother hens just loving him he was definitely feeling the uh Ecstasy of
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[Applause] Freedom well my first thought is how is this happening the nent granddaughters
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found it all beyond belief Richard linklater ConEd Richard L CL is just as ConEd as my grandmother
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was I think I'm pretty uncontable I think Danny bet got enthralled with Hollywood I'll say
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that's B before the sentencing trial Danny Buck recused himself he was replaced by two
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prosecutors determined to put Bernie TAA back behind bars this was just a straightup execution I think he's conned
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Hollywood and he's con the whole Judicial System Jane stars and Assistant Attorney General Lisa Tanner weren't
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buying it Bernie didn't have a dissociative episode this case is about abusing elderly vulnerable people it's
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about abusing marjerie nent financially and it's about just cold blooded murder what do we have in front of us here we
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have just small portions of the paper trail Lisa Tanner would allege Bernie regularly forged marjerie Nan's
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signature he was very good at signing her signature manually manipulated her bank accounts this is what he showed
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margorie but this is what he really deposited we had 14 of these all Ed her brokerage statements the original of
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this document is literally a cut and pasted dummied up statement all of this he's pocketing her money both while
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margerie was alive and after Bernie had killed her and stuffed her in her freezer the numbers ended up being
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approximately $3.8 million total Bernie's motive for murder came into Focus he was about to be found out
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about in April 2016 after 2 years of Freedom Bernie Tia's new sentencing trial began is the
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jury here and ready to go it was moved to Henderson Texas because Bernie still had so many friends and fans in Carthage
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we began with the state Miss Tanner Lisa Tanner put Bernie in her sights this is
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a real case with a real murderer he did that and Hollywood so we're going to talk about that in a non-f fictionalized
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non hollywoodized kind of way Hollywood means you know lack of morality thank you guys but I took that really personal
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cuz I don't live in Hollywood I'm an indie Texas director Rick link later was called to the stand to defend his friend
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I think he's a incredibly nice generous man who you know did a horrible thing the
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director and those who love Bernie argued he had paid his dues with time already served 16
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years yeah I'd say he served enough time and Bernie's Uncle under oath denied ever having molested Bernie you say
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never never but did admit writing him a letter sexual in nature Bernie did not testify at the trial I mean I just there
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there just some questions they don't have any [Music] answers two dramatic versions of
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margerie Newton's murder have now been told one on the big screen the other in a courtroom in Henderson Texas the
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question now is who will the jurors believe sudden passion dissociative episode Snappy when he took that gun and
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pointed it down straight to the ground and put it in her back that justified a life sentence then Bernie are you a
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danger to society no sir not at all the jury goes out to deliberate Alexandria what's going through your
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mind you know at that moment all you can do is pray on April 2nd 2016 some 26 years years after he met
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marjerie nent the jury once again sentenced Bernie TAA to 99 years in prison for 99 years
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alive everyone in that courtroom knew that my grandmother was not mean she did not deserve to die and that this man
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deserved to go away for the rest of his life when I heard 99 years I mean it was
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just it was devastating he's back in prison for life it's very discouraging now what's as certain as
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his life sentence is this deep in the Heart of Texas Bernie TAA is [Music] loved even today is there a Bernie TAA
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fan club in Carthage yes not as big as it once was but it's here [Music] [Music]
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