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[Music] we were a bunch of women who came from all over the world to Soul in 1988 to
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teach English Korea was transforming and opening up its doors to the West the 1988 Olympics really
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represented South Korea debut on the world stage we were helping teach English to
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Koreans so that they were prepared for the new world coming into their Peninsula it was an interesting time it
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was a dangerous time there was Sandra she took me under her wing and we definitely bonded Kathy
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Patrick she was the head teacher kind of our boss I was definitely a party girl and then there was Carolyn Abel she
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was sparkly she was beautiful really funny she had a wicked sense of humor my sister Caroline was an
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adventure people did notice her she was vibrant she attracted people's attention she had become friends with
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all of us but particularly with Kathy they were like sisters life that year was great we had
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so much fun we worked hard we played hard we party at night everything was going so
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well all our fun came to a sudden crashing halt when one of us Carolyn Abel was murdered it was absolutely horrible
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brutal violent there were multip stab wounds I can't even begin to describe what that loss has
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been like somebody had detonated a nuclear bomb in the middle of the family so whoever killed Carolyn is
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still out there we're at Newark Airport about to head overseas to try to find some
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answers what happened to this woman Carolyn Abel and where did Carolyn live carollyn
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lived over there um out in this direction here out in this direction I've been asking questions for
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30 years what happened the night that Carolyn was killed everybody loved Caroline who was in the
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room who put the knife in why should anybody be able to get away with murdering somebody and never face
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charges more than 30 years later our investigation has brought us here to a university in Bellingham Washington
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where Carolyn Abel's alleged killer works we just got worried we're going to make our move now okay this is the
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building we were so sure the enemy was on the outside that never occurred to any of
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us that the killer was Among Us [Music] [Music] [Music] 48 Hours Out Of Reach reported by Peter
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Van Sant for writer and author Nancy burcaw flying to South Korea in the winter of
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2018 reopened a painful chapter in her life one of murder loss and fear not only were we Deb devastated about the
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loss of Caroline we of course wondered who's [Music] next back and soul where should be our
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first stop well I think we should go to the school to El where we all taught El is
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the English language school this is is the neighborhood where Nancy met fellow teacher Carolyn Abel back in
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1988 this is the school and the world was never the same for any of us who were in that building together on
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December 20th the events of that day have haunted Carolyn Abel's family for more than 30
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years and the Damage that's been done was just so devastating Wanda Abel remembers her
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younger sister Carolyn as the center of attention from an early age this is our very first passport photo Carolyn is on
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the right this is a passport picture with three people in it yeah she was the youngest and the cutest and the baby of
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the family the youngest daughter of professors Dr Francis and Evelyn Abel Carolyn had a love of
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Photography and a wander lust that took her around the world my mother said in retrospect it was almost like she knew
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she didn't have a lot out of time she wanted to do as much as she could in the time she had and not waste a
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second by the time she graduated from college Carolyn had already lived in Pakistan East Asia Germany and France
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she would get Restless she didn't like being just in one place for too long that restlessness compelled Carolyn to
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join the Peace Corp after college serving in Nepal where she taught English in 1987 Carolyn took another
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teaching job in Japan where she met this man tomoyuki aagi a customs agent she's
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always cheerful did she make you laugh yes she's funny Carolyn and tomoyuki began a relationship that very quickly
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became serious did you fall in love with Carolyn oh yes Tomy Yuki did propose to
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Carolyn and what was her answer do you know Carolyn was trying to decide whether she would be happy being married
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and staying in Japan well contemplating a future life with tomoyuki Carolyn received an offer for another job 330 Mi
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away and across the Sea of Japan and in the fall of 1988 Carolyn set out on her next great adventure in
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life teaching English here in Soul South Korea and from the minute she walked into the staff room she was just breath
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of fresh air she sort of looked a little bit like Farah faucet that's where Carolyn quickly fell in with Nancy burha
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and the other American teachers at school like Sandra Ames who requested that we alter her current appearance for
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this interview she was making her students laugh and sing and and have fun learning English and Tamara do she made
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friends with everybody she was very very friendly so this is Kathy Carolyn also hit it off with the head teacher at the
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school Kathy Patrick carollyn and Kathy Patrick were extremely good friends they
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were considered if I can use a modern term besties the women taught traveled and
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partied together expat life in Soul in the late 80s was wild and one place where our world's collided and that was
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Ewan the red light district this is where Kathy and Sandra and Carolyn and Tamara and I would come so what we did
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is we danced and drank like crazy [Music] people on the weekend of December 17th
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1988 just 3 days before the murder Sandra Cathy Carolyn and some Korean students took a trip into the mountains
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Carolyn took these pictures we spent the time looking at temples and hiking and then partying in the
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evening classes were winding down for the winter break tomoyuki was getting ready to fly to Soul hoping to get an
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answer to his marriage proposal on Tuesday December 20th Carolyn never made it to work and a lot of us missed work
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on occasion for various reasons I was not at that point concerned but Kathy was concerned about Carolyn because she
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couldn't get her on the phone Kathy was asking all of us had any of us heard from Carolyn no Kathy was very upset
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convinced that something had happened to Carolyn and I said well maybe we should
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go over there at that point some of our students drove us to Carolyn's apartment we went into the apartment and
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Kathy discovered the body she was murdered brutally and horribly and in a way that she did not
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deserve and we were just all in shock just trying to figure out what [Music] happened I think we all just felt like
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what the heck hell is going to happen now are we in danger how would Sandra and Kathy ever
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recover from the shock of seeing their dead friend where do we go from here [Music]
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carlyn's apartment was on the 15th [Music] floor so here we [Music] are I'm Peter vanand and I'm a reporter
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for CBS News and we are working on a story about a woman named Carolyn who used to live in your apartment and we
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came by to ask you if if we may have permission to come into your apartment to take some video
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pictures early in the afternoon on December 20th 1988 colleagues and students of Carolyn
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AES came to this apartment building after she failed to show up for work Kathy Sandra and three Korean men
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walked down this hallway surprisingly the door was unlocked and they went [Music]
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inside who was the first person into the apartment Kathy she went did a beline right to the
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bedroom Kathy came out of the room and said Carolyn's dead we need to call an ambulance no we need to call the cops
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and she didn't want me to go look at the body so we have our shoes off and we're ready to check out the
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murder scene this is the room where Carolyn Abel left this world and she put up a
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fight in her last minutes of life she had a number of defensive wounds and she took the brunt of it more than 30 stab
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wounds including a cut from ear to ear on on the throat and there was blood everywhere in here on the walls on the
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bed it was a mess Korean police and press swarmed the apartment which had been ransacked and
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within hours the murder led the national news in South Korea and I remember watching the news
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and the cameras panning around the room and they kept going in on this teddy bear and it was really
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horrible the impact of seeing her body wheeled out in a body bag really made it quite real it wasn't a
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dream it became the nightmare that it really still is to this day how did you get the news of what had
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happened to your sister I was at home and my mother called me she told me that Carolyn had been murdered and I just I
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screamed we were just crying trying to figure out I mean how could this happen who
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would want to do this to her everybody Lov Caroline why with the killer still out there
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Carolyn's friends wondered could they be next we were all certain that perhaps a
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Korean had probably killed her if a Korean hated an American this much was he coming after
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the rest of us the shocked friends turned their attention to Cathy and Sandra who had discovered Carolyn's body
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they seemed horrified I was so concerned about them they were hysterical it seemed as if they were
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having a nervous breakdown Days Later Kathy Patrick led a memorial service for Carolyn I think it was quite
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moving even now thinking about it you tear up a bit Kathy also wrote Carolyn's parents Wanda
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still has that letter please know that I love Carolyn as a sister and a dear friend my roommate and I are the two
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people who found Caroline in her apartment let me know if I can tell you anything in Japan Tomo Yuki learned the
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love of his life was gone but he decided to make his trip to South Korea any anyway he stayed with Kathy and
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Sandra even today after all these years 30 years this still gets to you doesn't it
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yeah sorry in Soul rumors were swirling and South Korean police cast a wide net we were all suspects every single
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teacher on the staff was interviewed you know the Korean police were in our faces
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just like where were you how did you know Caroline what's your story why are you here why did you come to our country
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are you secretly FBI we just kept thinking why are you asking me this get out there and find the real
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killer then Nancy took a phone call in the teacher Lounge that moved the investigation in a whole new
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Direction of like a Korean woman and then very quickly she said I know who killed Caroline I said what she said an
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American military officer Nancy told the South Korean police who brought in detectives from the US
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Army and very quickly therea John Boatright walked in John Boatright was a legendary chief of detectives for the
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Army's criminal investigation division in South Korea he quickly eliminated the US military officer who was pegged as a
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suspect by his ex-girlfriend he did not know carollyn able and it appeared that she was just trying to get revenge on
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him for the bad breakup 3 weeks after the murder an autopsy revealed the cause of death a
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stab wound to her right lung the report also confirmed her throat was cut in my opinion her throat was cut after she was
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deceased after how unusual is that based on your experience very unusual so what did happen at Carolyn's
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apartment and I was convinced that whoever did this probably knew Carolyn why because there was no signs for to
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enter into the apartment it appeared that whoever was in that apartment knew her there were two coffee cups found in
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the room if there's a to break in generally a criminal would not say hey let's let's have a cup of coffee before
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I ransack your place and and attack you that certainly would not be normal like his South Korean
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counterparts boat Wright decided to question Carolyn's colleagues who told him you really should look at the two
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girls who found the body those two women Sandra Ames and Kathy Patrick [Music] we assumed that a Korean had probably
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killed her but little did we know that the enemy was inside that staff room with us
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[Music] [Music] just weeks after Carolyn ael's murder the investigation by John Boatright was
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focusing on the two friends who had discovered her body roommates Kathy Patrick and Sandra Ames and do you get a
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chance to question each of them no Kathy Patrick had already got on a plane left
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Korea we had encouraged her to go she must have lost 15 lbs she just looked like someone who was
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about to to break Kathy returned home to Washington State but Sandra was still in Soul I
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took a statement from her and then I asked her uh did you kill Carol and she just sort of sat there and
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stared at me she's just staring at you that's correct after about 30 seconds she was
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very quiet but she said no that was just just not normal s maintains she had nothing to
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hide so 2 months after the murder she waved her right to an attorney and agreed to take a light detector
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test I remember being hooked up to all the wires in a darkened room he asked her do
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you know where the murder weapon is and she said no and she really peaked out on that
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indicating that she was not being truthful I said I'm not lying I'm telling the truth so we took it again with the same
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results and at that point I said let me tell you about this picture in my head the picture was a dark shape on a
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bed covered in a quilt that I knew was a body Sandra described that picture in her head as a fragmented memory of that
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night as Boatright asked her for more details she told a new story it was nothing short of a bombshell the story
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began with being in bed and having Kathy at the door of my room and coming in and
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saying I think I killed Carolyn what with I asked and she said a knife where is it I asked
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in the kitchen sink Sandra said she was in disbelief and asked Kathy to take her to Carolyn's
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apartment where she saw her friend's brutalized body on the bed covered in blood to the best of my
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recollection we sat in the living room at Carolyn's apartment and she convinced me manipulated me to help her make it
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look like a robbery though she didn't mention it when we spoke with her Boatright says that
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during their interview Sandra made another statement about her own actions that night after she walked in and saw
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Carolyn's body she says I touched her arm and it was warm and at that point I realize that
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she may be still alive and that she might testify against Kathy and so I went to the kitchen got a knife and came
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back and I cut her throat to make sure she was dead remember Boatright believed that
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wound was inflicted after Carolyn was already dead from the stab wound to the lung so what Sandra is telling you is
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actually forensically matching up what was done to Carolyn's body absolutely but
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Sandra's story quickly changed in these official statements Sandra wrote that Kathy had admitted to cutting Carolyn's
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throat and today Sandra claims that the only reason she made that admission was due to false memories implanted by
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investigators but she doesn't deny going to the crime scene or handling the murder weapon you did tell authorities
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at the time that you cleaned a bloody knife I did I did and that was because I remembered putting the clean
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knife into the dish rack Kathy had said that that was the knife she had used to kill
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Carolyn it may seem far-fetched but Sandra claims those memories had been suppressed deep in her subconscious mind
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until the interview with Boatright so are you telling me the truth yes yes because some of these
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lapses in memory are kind of convenient oh they're very convenient but no this is the truth as I lived
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it though Sandra story was bizarre to say the least investigators believed the core
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details which never changed that Kathy woke her up and confessed to killing Carolyn and the two of them staged it to
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look like a robbery and the evidence they collected appeared to back that up each time that she was interviewed later
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she kept changing the facts to to limit her involvement in the murder but she never denied that uh Kathy did the
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murder and she never denied that she was present uh just after the murder who do
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you believe held the knife and murdered Carolyn Abel Kathy Patrick after her confession Sandra Ames
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was kept in house arrest here in Soul five months later in July of 1989 she pleaded guilty to harboring a criminal
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and depressing evidence I was fingerprinted photographed and put into a holding cell but why would Kathy want
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Carolyn dead investigators uncovered a secret which provided a potential motive Kathy really fell for Carolyn Tamara do
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was one of the few teachers who knew Kathy was gay and she would confided me you know I really like this woman I
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think she's into me and and I'm like Kathy I don't really think she's gay you should really be careful Kathy told me
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that she was in love with Carolyn and that her feelings were not necessarily returned I believe that Kathy and
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Carolyn were alone uh during that initial attack the thing that makes most sense
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to me is Kathy tried to kiss Carolyn and Carolyn pushed her away and rejected that kiss I think Kathy was so enraged
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and angry that she lost control Kathy Patrick was now the prime suspect in Carolyn ael's murder a murder
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warrant for her arrest was issued in South Korea back in Japan Carolyn's boyfriend
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tomoyuki heard the news you stayed with Kathy at her apartment yes for her part in the alleged crimes
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Sandra was sentenced to one year in prison meanwhile Kathy Patrick was back at home in Washington
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state the South Korean government made diplomatic requests to return her to soul from the US to face a murder charge
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but hit a wall there was no extradition treaty with Korea at the time and when she left they couldn't get her back
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there why couldn't we see through Kathy and Sandra it's just unreal you know so in in one Fell Swoop you learn that your
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friends are involved in this crime and that the one who might have been the Killer is free because of this loophole
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and American law in the States Carolyn's family pushed for an arrest the US attorney in
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Washington state said no you can't arrest her because she hasn't committed a crime in the United States there was
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no jurisdiction to arrest her for murder and that's what pushed my family to say
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wait a minute this isn't right but American authorities weren't finished with Cathy Patrick and soon
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they would come fa face to face with her did you ask Kathy Patrick flat out did you murder Carolyn Abel yes I
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[Music] did so this is one of the last pictures taken of her alive right right [Music]
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in the days after Carolyn's murder Wanda worked overtime during the holidays to bring her
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home we got her back in time to hold the funeral on New Year's Eve gone but never
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forgotten Wanda Abel and her family were pushing the government to pursue a case
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against Kathy Patrick who had left South Korea just weeks after Carol L's murder so do you believe this sudden
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move from South Korea to the United States was in a way a an expression of consciousness of guilt yes well Kathy
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knew she did it so she had to suspect that sooner or later somebody was going to put it together or the sander was
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going to crack and tell on her so she spent as little time in South Korea as possible after she killed
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Carolyn with Kathy Patrick back in Washington state Carolyn Abel's family was fearful they could be
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targeted I was worried that Kathy would try to kill us because Kathy wrote these
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letters to my parents that she was her great friend and that you know she'd loved to meet them and I was working
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through my mind what would I do if I saw this person or if she showed up at my house despite the lack of an extradition
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treaty there was still that South Korean arrest warrant for murder for Kathy Patrick my name is Steven schroer I'm a
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retired assistant United States Attorney and I worked in Seattle they also asked
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the US government for help what did the South Koreans want you to do among other
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things they wanted me to take a deposition of Kathy Patrick and ask her some questions about the murder that
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occurred in Soul it was 1989 when Scher was assigned the case with John Boatright and FBI
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agents along with her lawyer Kathy Patrick willingly sat down with them to be questioned did you ask Kathy Patrick
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flat out did you murder Carolyn Abel yes I did what did she say she said she did
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not and did you present her with what her roommate had said yes and what did she say about that simply it wasn't true
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and did Kathy try to shift blame at all did she point the Finger of Suspicion at
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all at Sandra not with me Kathy also denied under oath that she was in love with Carolyn
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Abel do you believe Kathy Patrick lied to you there was enough indication of that
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to justify us doing further investigation yes my strategy at that point was if the
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Koreans did not prosecute her then to look whether we could for basically false statements perjury
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obstruction and Justice even though lie detector tests are inadmissible in federal court they
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are a tool used by investigators to confirm deception Kathy Patrick willingly agreed
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to take one and answer questions about Carolyn's murder The Examiner concluded that she was deceptive and deception is
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why lying after the polygraph Kathy Patrick whom South Korea still wanted to arrest
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for murder was free to leave is that frustrating it was very frustrating compounding Carolyn's
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family's grief Sandra AMS was released from a South Korean prison after serving just 6 months of her one-year sentence
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and it wasn't because of good behavior is it true you got out of prison because someone bribed a judge to
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get you out yep absolutely we just couldn't believe it I mean 6 months for assisting a murderer and
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covering up the crime scene and making it look like a burglary and not even telling anybody not talking I I don't
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understand I when Sandra returned to the United States she was recruited by the FBI to
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to go undercover and secretly record a reunion with Kathy Patrick in hopes of eliciting a
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confession I didn't even call I simply went to her house and what does she say to you Sandra what are you doing here
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probably and I think I said something along the lines of how could you have done that how could you have killed
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Carolyn and she said I don't know what you're talking about without incriminating statements
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from Cathy the feds were not able to press charges for perjury as long as she stays Within
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These borders she's a free woman that's that's correct yes and with no extradition treaty in
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Place South Korean authorities put the murder case on the Shelf I think the South Koreans were
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taking the attit ude that this is a US problem it's two US citizens meanwhile Carolyn's family carried on with their
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Quest For Justice my dad contacting every Congressman every Senator and he wrote to news stations 60 minutes
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because he was hoping that if that happened then there would be more publicity more pressure while Kathy
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Patrick carried on with her life if it is true that Kathy Patrick murdered your sister is she a a danger today to the
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public I I think she probably is and who knows what would trigger some kind that
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kind of violence again Kathy declined to meet with 48 hours so we went to her in Bellingham
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Washington where today she's a counselor at Western Washington University okay guys we're going to make
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our move now to Kathy Patrick's office hi hi Kathy Patrick hi hi Peter Van sand with CBS
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[Music] News my sister never got to live her life why does Kathy get to live a full
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life for almost three decades Kathy Patrick has lived a quiet life in Bellingham
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Washington north of Seattle where for the last 18 years she has worked as a student adviser at Western Washington
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University okay this is the building okay so when we get in let's move quickly to her office Cathy turned
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down our request for an interview saying Carolyn's murder was too painful to talk
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about but on this day her past was fast approaching hi Kathy Patrick Peter Van Sant with CBS News there are
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investigators from two countries that have now are certain that you murdered Carolyn Abel what do you have to say um
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I have to say that I'm innocent and that I don't know what happened after I found
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Carolyn's body these are Kathy Patrick's first public words on the murder of Carolyn Abel in 30 years now your
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roommate says just the opposite that you confessed to her and that the two of you
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then went back over to Carolyn's apartment and staged the scene as a burglary no that never happened no so
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she's lying to us when she told us that I believe she is you flunked a polygraph
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test how did that happen I don't know the science of poly graphs I'm not surprised that I would um flunk it in
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retrospect given how clammy and nervous I am right now and I'm even shaking it was a frightening
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experience and I absolutely do not know what happened before I went to her apartment
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and found her body it has been it has been 30 years since this isn't it time to come clean about this investigators are
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certain that you committed this murder they are wrong if you didn't who did I believe it
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must have been ases Sandra ases she says you did it and you had her go over and help manipulate
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the room to make it look like a burglary that's not true another circumstance in all of this is that
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people have you want these people to leave um can we stop right now these are important questions to be asked about
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this um there were 30 stab Woods on Carolyn's body and friends say that you attacked her after she rejected you your
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romantic advances no this has to stop now please um you're really sidelining me here and I'm not prepared to answer
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questions here at my place of work this happened 30 years ago I have been a available to investigators in Korea and
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in the US in her interviews with South Korean police a deposition and a polygraph test with American
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investigators Kathy Patrick did not point a finger at Sandra Ames Steven schroer had a question about that for
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Kathy well why didn't you tell us that 29 years ago when we recently contacted Sandra
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Ames she told us she wasn't so surprised that Cathy tried to blame her and denied
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having participated in Carolyn's murder if it went to trial I would be willing to testify I would need to
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testify where should Kathy Patrick be today in your opinion she should be in prison plain and
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simple thanks to the able family's lobing efforts in 1994 Congress passed a law that allows for the US prosecution
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of us Nationals who kill other Americans in foreign countries and so today American families if their loved ones
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are murdered abroad by an American um will have a very different experience in Carolyn Abel's family did
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and I think I think we all owe them a debt of gratitude but in Carolyn Abel's case any
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trial seems highly unlikely in South Korea the statute of limitations for her murder M has expired and the AEL family
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says investigators told them the physical evidence in the case has been destroyed evidence that would have been
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crucial for a trial in the United States no one should have to go through what my family went through how do we
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live in a world where a US citizen can go murder a US citizen and then come back and live like nothing
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happened that's the outrage of this in a case where nothing is simple the long path to Justice may never reach its
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destination I honestly can't picture [Music] old cuz she was just always so so vibrant and so
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energetic and I I I think she still would be you know I miss her she was like my
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best friend we've all continued Our Lives as adventurous people but you know we kind of carry the memory
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of Caroline behind us whatever ground we walk on it's hard not to remember that there's another one of us who could be
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out there on the same path 48 Hours don't miss an episode [Music]