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[Music] I like to make a TOS to Todd and bar hope you live a long and happy life
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here's the Todd and bar Jessica I will be girl I always said when I was younger you know God I want
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be just like my parents there's my son Jordan how old are you Jordan I want to be married young and have kids and well
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off just totally in love with my partner just like them right ladies and gentlemen is my
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understanding you've reached the verdict is that correct yes sure did it ever occur to you that your dad would be
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blamed for the death of your mother Mr Ken Hammer if you please rise absolutely not leave the jury find the defendant
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Tad Ken Hammer guilty a first-degree intentional homicide is charged in the information husbands kill their wives
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all the time the husbands kill their wives where only they know the motive every day but it happens all the time
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time11 what is the adder Todd K never called 911 at 806 a.m. on a Friday morning was in a car
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accident you a p or something came through a l he reported that there was an accident where a truck lost a pipe
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and it hit his wife and he needed help she got out Northern M he tried to do CPR while she bled all over
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you're doing great I think he was just [Music] frantic this is the driver this is Todd
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I got to see if she's okay well just wait let them do their work okay the only thing he really cared about was
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what's happening to Barbara and when can I see her no I don't want to go with [Music]
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the injuries on Barbra did not occur by a pipe coming through the windshield do you believe that Todd kendhammer
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murdered his wife yes and they exhaustively searched for a motive in this case no infidelity no
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financial trouble no life insurance no domestic violence history no argument history do I know why he did it all I
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don't but I know it didn't happen from a pipe coming off a truck because there was no truck and none of his story is
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true what are we looking at here here's the area where the pipe went through the
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windshields you can tell standing right next to it it's pretty easy to take a pipe and hit it just like that it only
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makes sense one way is that he caused her injuries caused her death and tried to cover it
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up it was a sensational narrative the way the state wanted to present it a man kills his wife stages an accident the
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jury was given a very narrow view of what really happened and what the evidence really
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showed what do you want people to know about your father that he's not a bad person he didn't do this
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and he deserves to come home do you think that Todd kendhammer got a fair trial no I don't all right
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Dad we'll get you out don't worry about it if this could happen to Todd kin hammer it could happen to anybody
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[Music] [Music] every year where the Mississippi widens out on its steady Journey South
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alongside the Rivertown of Lacrosse Wisconsin bald eagles gather lofty symbols of Freedom they SAR
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close to the remote country road where 46-year-old Barbara kendhammer was fatally
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injured the circumstances so unusual made headlines and sent her husband Todd to prison for life I just became
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fascinated by the story that I saw unfolding here I'm looking for the actual exhibit here now Tod hand
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Hammer's appeals team says his murder conviction is the true Injustice that occurred in this controversial case do
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you believe that Todd Kemmer had anything to do with the death of his wife no this was an accident you don't
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believe there was a murder at all not at all this is not a murder case it was because of this man right here right
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lawyer Jerry Bey is best known for defending Steven Avery on Netflix making a murder and now along with the attorney
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Kathleen stilling who also happens to be his wife they've taken on Todd's case which they say should be measured by his
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marriage to Barbara the relationship was really special and that was one of the things that really drew me to this case
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the idea that out of the blue he would snap and kill his wife and then stage the accent it just seems so implausible
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to me they insist this isn't a murder mystery it's an oldfashioned love story that ended in a tragic
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accident I want to talk to you about bart during his trial Todd told the court that he fell for Barbara at First
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Sight just one of these things where you you know immediately um that's the girl
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you want both were just 16 friends at first they began dating in 1989 and in August 1991
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they sealed the deal good night good night night soon Jessica and then Jordan came along hey
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Witnesses they say to a romance how would you describe your dad well mom always called him a wild
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hair he's always always always on the go always has some new crazy idea and she just like was all about going with him
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for anything to the kids it was clear Todd adored Barbara he's just always like doning on her with
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stuff did your parents argue more than any other couple definitely not I would say no basically whatever my mom wanted
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my dad gave it to her Barbara worked in the cafeteria at the West Salem Middle School Todd at a
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factory making aluminum soda cans on the side he flipped houses with Barb that was like the biggest out on a whim thing
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he was like let's buy a house and flip it we're just like okay for extra income Todd also worked with glass replacing
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people's smashed and broken windshields they paid their bills and lived comfortably they were just in a really
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good time in their lives cuz they had their first grandchild and they were well off in
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2016 Jessica and Jordan threw their parents a surprise 25th anniversary party everything was perfect it was good
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until it wasn't yeah it was a month later September 16th 2016 the kendhammer family Was preparing
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for their annual camping trip the plan was to leave later that day after Barb finished work I woke up in the morning M
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and dad were still home I heard mom in the kitchen it was early that morning Jordan home from college says he heard
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the garage door open and his parents car leave no arguing nothing unusually he says just his dad likely driving his mom
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to work at school if he had off he'd take her to work and he'd go about doing his errand things and then when he got
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done he'd pick her up a little after 7:45 the couple stopped at the home of a neighbor they
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were looking after her house while she was away and stayed just a few minutes and then surprisingly instead of heading
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to Barb's School Todd headed north away from it why he did would become a critical question 911 what the emergency
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at 8:05 a.m. a distraught Todd made that call to 911 he said there had been a horrible accident and Barbara was badly
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hurt she's hitting a head in the throat I think in the throat or something at this scene Todd began to tell his
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version of what happened there was a pipe in the ground no come out of that tree off the truck off a truck a truck
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or a trailer or something Barb was rushed to the hospital is she okay I can't tell you that I don't know placed
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by cops into a squad car Todd continued with his account I thought it was a bird
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at first and then at the last I seen it said it was a pipe soon Jessica and Jordan met their
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father he seemed devastated his T-shirt soaked in blood he was kind of pale and shaky and panicky and wanted to know how
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she was doing like all the time tell me what he told you about the accident they
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were driving and something came and it and it hit mom I was like how did a pipe hit her he
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said it came through the windshield and I pulled it out of the windshield how did you find out how
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seriously your mom was really really injured the neurosurgeons kept coming in and giving us updates but the way that
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they're talking her prognosis was pretty poor the start of a family holiday fast
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turned into an allnight bedside vigil it wouldn't last long it was like 4 or 5 or
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something when they actually pronounced her like brain dead how did your father deal with that
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news he was just very upset [Music] as Dawn broke over the Mississippi Barbara kendhammer wife mother
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grandmother took her last breath she was gone the family mourned they had already made the tough
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decision to donate Barbara's organs but things would soon get even tougher police were already supicious of
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Todd take pictures of Todd his front all the blood his knuckles everything at the
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scene of the incident cops had noticed Todd's bloody knuckles and he had what appeared to be scratch marks on his neck
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the police kept finding one more step and one more step that would disprove his story
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[Music] so how big is this pipe Tim 53 in long and it weighs about 10 lb this thing is heavy this is the pipe
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that Todd canhammer says flew off a truck smashed into the windshield of the car he was driving and caused his wife
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Barbara's death a story that prosecutor Tim grinkie says is simply preposterous our theory is that he used that himself
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to put the hole in the windshield it didn't fly off of a a truck going by Todd said he was traveling north and
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Highway M grinkie says the police became suspicious of Todd when pieces of his story just didn't seem to add up turned
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right on the Bergen Road starting with that mysterious truck this is the description Todd kendhammer gave police
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it was a older like a bigger flatbed looking truck like a pickup truck with a flat bit on it what color was the cab I
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don't even remember it was darker I don't that's all I know dark green or dark blue so he's going this way and he
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claims that a truck carrying a pipe what going this way correct were you ever able to find a truck no uh police uh
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spent some time uh looking for the truck and putting out word to the uh Community
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to ask if anybody saw a truck that day surveillance video from a horse ranch down the road does show what
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appears to be the kendhammer car pass by at approximately 7:57 a.m. on the day of
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the incident but at around the same time no truck that matched the description Todd gave police was ever seen heading
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in the opposite direction and then 4 days after the incident medical examiner Dr kathle
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mccubbin conducted an autopsy on Barbara she didn't understand what she first heard a pipe had done it she had called
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law enforcement to look at the pipe cuz she didn't understand how that could be Barbara had three lacerations on the
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back of her head she said that the injuries to Barb were very inconsistent with a pipe of that size and that weight
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coming through windshield she concluded that barb died of blunt trauma injuries of the head and
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neck with skull fractures CID cartilage fractures and ultimate brain death the CID is the ring-shaped bony cartilage
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structure that's located in the lower neck what do you believe caused the broken cryo cartilage it's consistent
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with strangulation the medical examiner also noted that there were countless other injuries on Barbara that suggested
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there could have been an earlier struggle she had scratches on her neck a broken nose a laceration on her forehead
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and bruising all over her body she had injuries to her fingers do you need any medical attention Todd also had injuries
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to his hands he said that came from striking the windshield when he saw something flying at him and he had what
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appeared to be scratches on his neck and chest as well he said he got that cuz he
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worked with glass turns out he doesn't work with glass he puts in windshields but he doesn't normally work with glass
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or broken glass so those injuries seemed odd it seems consistent like someone who
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was in a fight uh a really bad fight police it all o interviewed a construction worker who said he drove by
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the kendhammer car around 8:00 a.m. but didn't see any damage to the windshield or any people around he saw the car in
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the ditch and thought maybe somebody had just driven off the road or tried to make a turn and got stuck so he didn't
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see anybody he didn't see either Todd nor Barbara corre could they have been hidden in the High Grass well that's the
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only thought is that he was maybe trying to hold her down and keep her from calling for help
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there were other red flags on the day of the incident Barbara was scheduled to work at 8:00 a.m. but she never called
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to say she'd be late she also did not make her daily call to her mom it's a woman who's never been late for work who
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always calls her mom when you look at patterns that's an obvious change of the pattern and where were Todd and Barbara
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driving to that morning going in the opposite direction from Barbara's work I'm gonna put a windshield in a truck
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for for a guy this is what Todd canhammer told investigators on the drive to the hospital a windshield
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you're replacing somebody drive in his truck I was going to take it to my Todd told police that on the way to drive
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barbar to work he decided to drive over to pick up a truck that needed a windshield replaced he said the truck
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with keys inside was in the driveway of a person he knew from work named Justin H we do that no I didn't call him I was
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just going to thing over and if it was there grabing but when the investigators spoke with Justin Heim he told a very
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different story when the police looked into that they found Justin Heim never had ordered a windshield from Todd
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didn't need a windshield Todd didn't even know where he lived so just one week after Barbara's
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death and just two days before her funeral investigators asked Todd to come down to the police station under the
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ruse that they had some leads on trucks that may have dropped the pipe that day are you okay if I take C I didn't take
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no medicine this morning yeah that's fine as investigators began to question him Todd told them he had not taken his
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anti-anxiety medication and he appeared confused and forgetful of details um I I I just don't
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I remember I remember and I don't know how I remember I remember that's and that's how I was and I don't
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the pipe was the pipe was there he was trying to help like he thought they were trying to help him find the cause of the
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accident how did the pipe get through La you let's start there I I don't it came
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off the truck but they were closing in on what they believed were Todd's lies there's no explanations for it you can't
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the injuries that were un Barbed did not occur from that accident from a pipe going through your windshield and then
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when police pressed him about where he was actually going that day I talked to Justin to canhammer changed his story he
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told a story that he wasn't going to Justin heim's house it was actually friend of Justin's police would later
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find that friend who told them he also didn't need a windshield and was not expecting Todd the day of the incident
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isn't it possible he was in shock isn't it possible that he just can't remember anything from that time part of it I
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could see somebody not remembering a detail or two um not remembering uh something traumatic but the things that
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surround it usually do remember so things like remembering where you were going after three and a half hours of
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questioning Todd investigators let him go home but they kept building their case
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do I know exactly blowby blow how it happened no I don't but I know it didn't happen from a pipe coming off a truck
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3 months after Barbara's death Todd kendhammer was arrested we were basically just like well how do we get
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him back out cuz he's not supposed to be in there Jessica hoped a jury would believe her father when Todd took the
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stand to tell his side of the story at his trial I think he just looked like somebody who was trying to explain a
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Way's lies [Music] what started out looking like a tragic car accident would soon become much more
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complicated in December of 2017 when Todd kendhammer went on trial for his wife Barbara's murder almost everyone
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who attended was there to support him yet his daughter Jessica feared the worst every day as in a constant state
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of anxiet and couldn't eat and couldn't sleep the cause of Barbara Ken Hammer's death was blunt impact injuries of her
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head and neck the state star witness was medical examiner Dr kathle mccubbin I do
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not believe that these injuries are consistent with the end of a pipe striking the back of the head Todd's
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trial lawyer Steven Hurley didn't call a forensic pathologist of his own to dispute the state's case but tried to
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create Reasonable Doubt during cross-examination if her head were moving at the time of the pipe coming
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through the pipe had the potential because it is some 5 ft long to strike her head in more than one place is that
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correct that may be possible yes attorney Hurley asked mccubbin if Barbara's large water mug could have
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slammed into her face if she ducked to avoid the pipe and cause some of the injuries and yes it could be it's a
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possibility but when Hurley questioned Dr mccubbin he didn't focus on one of the critical injuries that Barbara
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suffered the cry covid fracture which the prosecution insisted could only have been caused by Todd it could have
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happened in a multitude of ways but I believe during the fight her CID fracture happens this is a view from the
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inside of the car the windshield of the car was as hotly disputed as the medical
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evidence the defenses expert mark melum with over 30 years of experience working
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with glass believes the evidence supports Todd's Story by observing the crack branching the fracture patterns on
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the windshield he said show three different events the first one was a hand impact when Mr Ken Hammer's fist
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went into the glass the second event was the puncture when the pipe broke through
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the windshield and the third harder to detect was caused he said when Todd removed the pipe from the windshield the
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lines that are highlighted in here would but the state's forensic expert Nick stalky said the impacts didn't occur in
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the order that mesum said they did da grinkie argues this is more evidence showing that to kendhammer intentionally
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damaged the windshield and it was not from a pipe falling off a truck it couldn't have done what it he said it
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did the crime lab found that the windshield had two strikes on the outside which is impossible however the
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pipe comes it's not going to hit and then back up and then hit again if he wanted to kill ma why the hell would he
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go through all the work and trouble to find a pipe drive all the way out to the middle of a busy road he has like 28
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guns in the basement more than that this one's from their Crews Jessica and Jordan don't believe prosecutors ever
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answered critical questions about what happened they never really said how he killed her or
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what he did to Stage everything if what they're saying is he staged it and killed her at the same time the time
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frame doesn't fit up either you don't have enough time to do all that stuff because that construction worker drove
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by at 8:00 a.m. that morning Todd had just five minutes to Stage the crime before he called 911 at
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805 so in that short period of time he had the presence of mind to go get the pipe out of the trunk go around break it
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twice and call 911 and Minister CPR yes you can do a lot of damage in two or three minutes so it's more time than
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people think Mr hurle you'll be finding your next witness yesmer with so much at stake the defense
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decided to gamble by putting Todd kendhammer himself on the stand did you ever strike Barbara kenam no Todd tried
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to explain to the why during the police interrogation he told investigators conflicting stories about where he was
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going that morning when I watch that video it's me in the picture but it's not me talking it's not right state of
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mind talking in that I wasn't thinking of where I was going or what I was doing I was thinking of Barb Todd seemed to be
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doing well Mr grink you may begin your cross-examination until he had trouble remembering details about that day I
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don't recall if I said that or not I don't remember that I can't recall for sure but his most damaging testimony may
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have been when he changed his story yet again he told the jury about a third person he was supposedly going to see on
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the day of the incident Jared Logan and today you say that you were trying to find the house of Mr loggan
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correct that's another kind of odd statement to make that that's why you're were going that way and why you couldn't
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have told the police that the first time or the second time or in the year before
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the trial and just like the others Todd said he was going to visit that morning Lin said he had never arranged for Todd
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to replace a windshield did you change your story for trial because you knew the police had figured out your lies
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no we the jury find the defendant Todd Ken Hammer guilty of first degree in the jury was out just 9 hours before they
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reached their verdict 3 months later today is time set for sentencing this matter everyone was back in the
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courtroom the conviction had an automatic life sentence but it was up to the judge to decide if Tod Ken Hammer
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would be eligible for parole I am here today I do not stand alone Jessica and Jordan were stunned when Jeran bner
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wetstein their mom's cousin spoke out against Todd and read a letter signed by several other cousins I just remember
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thinking like wow Barbara Found the courage that day to fight back therefore we stand here today United with that
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same courage asking you to sentence her killer to the maximum penalty possible Jessica says jerianne had been as
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stranged from their mother she basically painted the scene that she just feels so
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bad about my mom and her big blue eyes even though her eyes are green my mom hates her we reached out to Jeran and
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she denies Jessica's claims that she was as strange from Barbara but her testimony wasn't the only surprise that
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day grinkie had some harsh words for the kendhammer family who had to sell Todd and Barbara's Home and Jessica's house
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to pay Todd's legal bills pardon my language but to be perfectly Frank they they need to get their head out of their
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ass they need to start looking at this in reality I don't think you should be able to talk that way in the courtroom
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if you can think that to yourself and that's fine cuz I also think you're an ass but at I'm not going to say that out
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at least word it different don't you think you might have added to their pain at that sentencing by saying that I
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think I have to try to open their eyes in some way I think they're giving him false
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hope and I think he's dragging them down with him by using all their money to continue in his
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lies the judge ruled Todd kendhammer would be eligible for FR after 30 years but Todd's case is far from over
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[Music] [Music] we the jury find the defendant toad Ken Hammer [Music] guilty Todd Ken Hammer's verdict was
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guilty but Jess and Jordan are determined to clear his name cuz he didn't do it and he doesn't lie
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so when he says he didn't do it we believe him that belief is why Barbara and Todd's children brought on beting
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and stilling so this is Todds who understand that undoing a murder conviction is an immense challenge it's
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very difficult to reverse a judgment that's become final it's kind of like trying to turn an aircraft carrier it's
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slow and difficult to do the defense could have argued still they overcame a big first hurdle getting back in court
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good morning judge morning attorneys Jerome buing and Kathleen steing Todd kendhammer was granted an evidentiary
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hearing it was a chance to argue that his original defense team had been ineffective and that there was critical
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new evidence so we were grateful that the judge was taking the time to see what we had come up with and four years
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after his conviction for the intentional homicide of his wife Barbara inmate kendhammer was back in front of Judge
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Todd Beery so presid is Mr kendhammer in custody it opened the courthouse doors a
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crack to the possibility of a new trial is this the most hopeful you have felt that your dad may have a chance to walk
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out of prison yeah the burden is now on the defense Jerry butin starts by calling a forensic
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pathologist something Todd's First Defense team had elected not to do they chose to go a different route and I
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think that was a a serious mistake that really damaged Todd's ability to defend himself but now Dr shaku tez Who has
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performed some 6,000 autopsies would examine Barbara Ken Hammer's medical records and autopsy photos Did You
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observe anything on her body that was consistent with Barbara K dammer having been beaten with fists no
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or that she was a woman who had been in a fight no Dr teas contradicted the findings of
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the medical examiner who had performed the autopsy and testified a trial Dr mccubbin yes her in some of her injuries
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certainly could be consistent with an assault or beating as well yes consistent with strangulation it could
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be yes but for Dr teas the Stark photos and Silent sketches tell a different story I
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don't see any any injuries on Barbara that I would say are suggestive or are consistent with strangulation and Dr T
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suggests that the injury to Barbara's CID could be due to that large travel mug so if she had that in her lap when
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she's moving forward could that have caused the the CID fracture it could be the mug as for the injuries to the back
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of her head if the pipe is coming in how would she get severe injuries in the back of her head because she ducked and
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the pipe came through like that and and grazed the back of her [Music] head Barbara Ken Hammer died as a result
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of an automobile accident and teas believes some injuries seen in the autopsy came from the Final
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Act of Barbara Ken Hammer's generosity the harvesting of her donated organs but da grinkie doesn't buy the
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theories of Dr teas I don't put a lot of faith in her testimon but when it comes to Todd Ken Hammer's
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Guild or inocence beauty and stilling say there is more than just physical evidence to consider something very
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traumatic and attention grabbing had occurred which would likely obliterate any short-term memory that Mr Kent
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Hammer would have had the the defense hired another expert this time in human memory Dr Jeffrey ofst testified that
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Todd Ken Hammer's various stories could be a result of stress from a terrible accident would you say that this was a
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situation that was ripe for an inaccurate memory yes still the most controversial aspect
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of this story is about that pipe that Todd claims crashed through his windshield and killed Barbara
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as part of their initial investigation local authorities had attempted to reconstruct Todd's story of the deadly
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incident on County Road M they tested and taped dropping a similar pipe off a truck to see if it
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could in fact bounce the idea to determine if a pipe might have bounced high enough to hit the windshield of
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Todd's oncoming car but Ken Hammer's lawyers thought the pipe test was inconclusive they never
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shared the investigator's video with judge or jury and neither did the state I didn't think we needed it the defense
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didn't want it we disagreed not to use it it was only at the new evidentiary hearing that the pipe test was finally
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presented in court the first time the judge ever even heard of those experiments is in our motion Beauty
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instilling shared the pipe test video with 48 Hours what you're showing me is that the state's own experts did an
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experiment that if in fact the pipe bounc like this it could have done exactly what Todd said it did that's
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right now that one hits on its end and look how it bounces and comes up really high comes
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up high in your mind those videos show it could have happened that's the point yes which contradicts State
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investigators who from the beginning had suggested said that a pipe slamming through Todd's windshield was next to
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Impossible what are the odds that that would happen to a guy that changes windshields I mean what he suppos was
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out there one in a trillion if at all Beauty instilling introduced evidence from across America to prove it's more
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common than you think this one is in near Bakersville California a pipe that looks remarkably Sim SAR that went right
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through this person's vehicle here's another one this one's Houston okay um and it goes right through and hits would
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have killed a passenger and it turns out you don't have to be an expert to find a
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piece of pipe along a country road there was another pipe on the road up the ways
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that someone found there was a pipe and when was that pipe found shortly after and it was very
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similar to the one that went through the Dy material what do you think happened I
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believe a pipe came through and hit mom that belief in their father would not waver still how could the experts at
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trial see a case so differently we decided to ask another forensic pathologist to take a fresh look at the
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evidence the more I looked at it the more I understood why it's so complicated if it didn't happen the way Todd says it
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happened then how did it happen Dr Lindsay Thomas is a forensic pathologist who has performed about 5,000 autopsies
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this is the kind of case where it isn't that clearcut 48 Hours asked her to review the medical evidence in this case
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including Dr mccubbins autopsy report the original autopsy was very well done and the conclusions that they reached
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were very reasonable still Dr Thomas says she wouldn't have reached some of the same conclusions and that's what
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makes this case so challenging the most troubling injury for her is that CID fracture on
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Barbara's neck she agrees with Dr teas the forensic pathologist who testified for the defense in the evidentiary
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hearing and does not believe that Barbara was strangled I've never seen a fractured Cid in strangulation I
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wouldn't say it absolutely can't happen but certainly I haven't seen it I haven't read about it I haven't heard
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about it it seems more consistent with the kind of thing that would happen in a weird car crash and she believes the
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injuries to the back of Barbara's head were too severe to have been caused by Todd's fist but says Barbara could have
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been hit with a heavy object like her mug yeah it would have to be a pretty substantial coffee cup but I understand
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there was a pretty substantial coffee cup in the car ultimately Dr Thomas can't say for sure how Barbara sustained
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her injuries based on just the medical evidence alone it wouldn't be one where you could definitely say oh this is
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clearly a homicide or clearly an [Music] accident the idea that a man is sitting
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in prison does that concern you well it always does when you have a case like this that isn't clearcut you just worry
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a little that the evidence was given too much weight one way or the other or the
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jury wasn't given all of the relevant materials had you ever served on a murder trial before as a jury member no
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no never Tim Brennan the jury Foreman says he found Dr mccubbin testimony very convincing we shared with him some of
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the new information from the evidentiary hearing including Dr T's conclusions if
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you had heard a medical examiner disagree with Dr mccubbin would that have made a difference without hearing
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the full extent of of that it's hard to say still he stands by the jury verdict when Todd Ken Hammer gave his testimony
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he just came across as a person with a lot of falsehoods when you say falsehoods did you feel he was lying
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definitely I'm very confident that we got it right as the kendhammer family awaits the
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judge's ruling Todd is serving his life sentence more than two hours away from his kids what do you miss the most about
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your mom and having your dad around I used to be annoyed that he would call me all the time and like always come over
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but I can't miss it [Music] now I just miss having them around all the time and Jessica's daughter Carlin is growing
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up without her grandparents their dream was always to do stuff with their grandkids so it's just really hard to
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not have him with her now Jess Jordan and all those who believe in Todd kendhammer continue to
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wait hoping he gets another shot at what they believe is Justice do you think your dad will be
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coming home yeah we aren't going to stop until he can be home prosecutor grinkie believes justice
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has already been sered for Barbara kendhammer do you have any concerns at all that you might have convicted an
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innocent man not in this case no [Music] 48 hours to miss it would be a crime were you at all prepared for what
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happened in this case [Music] n [Music]