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[Music] what is your emergency a shots fired what is your name my name is ano Spidy
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yeah my wife in arm I accidentally shot her you accidentally shot her yeah some Polie where you at ma'am
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[Music] sir yeah I'm back here all right where's the weapon right here stay away from it
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I don't want to see it in your hand stand where she atay on the floor yeah where you the leg all right sh the leg
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okay we was arguing tussling with the gun and we have been arguing all day okay go ahead and put your hands behind
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your back okay Renard Spivey was a longtime deputy sheriff and the deceased was his wife
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Pat or Patricia Spivey Spivey who also worked for a time as a TV judge show BFF is now charged with his wife's murder
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there was a lot of publicity because he had been on a very popular reality TV show justice for all with Christina
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Perez allise court is now in session he was the perfect person in front of everybody
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else I think he thought the camera was was always on when it comes to how your mom died do
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you think it was accidental no it just it didn't make sense it didn't line up the security cameras how important were
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the security cameras and the evidence I think they were very important on the surveillance you clearly hear the three
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gunshots one 2 3 the prosecution's theory is that he shot her and then shot himself to cover
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it up you don't accidentally shoot someone more than once was the autopsy consistent with an accidental shooting
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well ultimately I guess that's the million-dollar question whose finger was on the trigger who was the aggressor she
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was threatening him with a gun if he is the aggressor then this is a murder if she is the aggressor this was either
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self-defense or an accident this is the n mm gun this is the actual gun it's caught now there is no external
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safety on this gun and so any slight pull of the trigger would cause it to go off there
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was no single piece of physical evidence that really conclusively pointed towards
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a particular verdict did you intentionally shoot your wife no ma'am I love my wife
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[Music] [Music] it was just after 3:00 a.m. in the warm Houston summer of 2019 when First Responders arrived at
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rard and Patricia spivey's home and found 52-year-old Patricia dead in the closet from multiple gunshot wounds we
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can definitely see a wound in her abdomen right there will it be the entry point it it looks like it we don't know
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if that's the only one but that's definitely one there this sounds Alik her husband Renard had a bullet in his
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leg he told officers the two had been arguing and fighting over a gun when it fired where' you shoot her we was
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tching Renard Spivey a sheriff's deputy with Harris County worked as a BFF in courts you're Deputy sergeant lieutenant
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deputy and played a bayth on TV all for justice for all with Judge Christina Perez I'm giving you one more chance to
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tell me the truth Renard didn't say much more about what happened happened police detained
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him and had him transported to a [Music] hospital Patricia's 83-year-old father who suffered from dementia was also
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living with the Spy be he was sleeping when the gunshots erupted what what happened you didn't hear anything I
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haven't did anything I know we just need your statement First Responders on the scene wondered how a gun could go off
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multiple times by accident if you get shot once you're not going to make the gun go off again that's what I'm saying
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and why a man of Renard size around 6'3 and weighing around 290 lb would need to
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struggle with his smaller wife to take control over a gun say you're that big and you fighting for the gun I don't
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know but that was a big dude this big dude was a big dude it's got a bunch of trophies inside bodybuilding trophies he
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got a homicide it it just doesn't it doesn't make sense bro it was more like what happened
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because like I said Patrina Marshall patria's daughter from a previous relationship arrived at the scene did my
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mom do something did rard do something like what did somebody do something to them like I didn't know what to expect
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Patrina says an officer told her her mother had died during a struggle with her husband when he told you she didn't
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make it had to be very tough to hear that it but you held it together I don't know something really weird happened to
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me I don't know it's just like I just kind of shut [Music] down and everything just became really
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numb I still have not cried Patrina says she regrets not seeing her mom for one last time I just
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didn't get that and I'm like man so she just sitting in that closet just the whole time so oh my God I'm
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crying Patrina never thought her mother's life would end this way her mother fell quickly for Renard it was
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like her first everything that was her first house and it was Patricia's first marriage Renard's third when we met I
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did like her we kind of H it off and stuff like 5 years after Patricia's death rard shared with us his feelings
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for Patricia she was a fun person she was spontaneous and she was just a beautiful
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person Renard had popped the question in 2013 after Patricia pointed at a ring she liked at a store right there where
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the ring was and come here and show I proposed got on my knees and proposed to her and she said yes right away she said
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yes and we had fun we celebrated in Hawaii and then they built their dream house
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a 3,000 ft home with a three-car garage but within a few hours of Patricia's death Renard found himself
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Under Suspicion for murder at the hospital detectives wanted to interview Renard but he refused he would later
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tell us why at that point had you already gotten an attorney I had a union repoa attorney and he came to the
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hospital union rep we said do not talk to him while investigators tried to figure out how exactly the shooting
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unfolded the medical examiner was conducting an autopsy on Patricia according to the report Patricia had
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multiple gunshot entry and exit wounds the Fatal shot piercing through her lungs and heart 48 Hours consultant and
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former prosecutor Lisa Andrews reviewed the case for us the multiple shots is definitely what gives everyone a lot of
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pause as to why it's not an accident the medical examiner ruled it a homicide which is an intentional
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killing on July 29th 2019 Renard Spivey was charged with his wife's murder what was that like for you now being behind
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bars for somebody who had been on the other side of the law for so long it was it was tough it was real tough what I've
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been through I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy Renard's twin sister Renee Spivey Frasier says she found out her
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brother was arrested did when she got a call from a relative and I just couldn't
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believe what I was hearing because I knew he loved her unconditionally Renard's friend Gerald
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Graham who Renard has mentored over the years couldn't believe it either like he's the Big Brother the the Father the
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uncle I just want to thank y'all for all the well wishes I have never seen Spivey
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in any kind of altercation I never seen him raise his voice [Music] Renard Spivey hired prominent criminal
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defense attorneys brothers dick and Mike dearin and Mike's son Michael dearin one
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of the things that we were able to see in this case is they had a camera system in their home and I watched their
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relationship we wanted to see if there was anything there to provide a motive for wanting her to be harmed or dead or
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that there was trouble in the relation relationship it was very loving relationship as I could
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tell but yet we know on that night somebody went to bed angry it looked like she went to bed
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angry he did [Music] not 48 hours after he was charged with the murder of his wife Harris County
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Sheriff's deputy Renard Spivey hosted Bond $50,000 I was in jail probably a couple
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of days and returned to the house he used to share with Patricia where investigators believed he intentionally
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shot her when you walk in that door do the memories come flooding right back well as soon as you go in the door and
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then you go in the bedroom bam it hits you Renard Spivey insists his wife's death was an accident I love my wife you
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know I did everything for anything anything she wanted I always treated like my queen but Renard never gave a statement
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to police about how the events unfolded that night and Patricia's family questioned
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the circumstances around her death and why rard was free un Bond Patricia's cousin syil shephard I don't think that
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his bond Bond was high enough for murder being a sheriff I think he got a lot of
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uh privilege in that instance Patricia's loved ones call her the caregiver of the family she was kind
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of like the glue her being gone really is is you can you notice it that she's she's
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gone she did anything that she could to help people out and you can see that just from taking care of her dad you
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know just taking on that responsibility Patricia worked as an executive assistant for the Methodist
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Hospital in Houston she' go visit people in the hospital she would go take them food send them
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flowers if nobody else was thinking of them she was she just was everywhere helping
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taking pictures giving her time just real social she was very accomplished Renard's attorney dick dearin says say
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the spyes had a good life they were very happy they they went on cruises together
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every Friday night they had a special dinner how would you describe Renard Spivey I mean the idea of a gentle giant
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his size was you can't avoid seeing how big he is Renard has been a bodybuilder since his
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20s in the aftermath of his wife's death he was placed under house arrest but was
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allowed to continue with his training actually during that period of time it was more therapeutic for me because I've
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been doing it for 40 years CU that's that's my love he was also free to go to church
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and spend time with his family but he resigned from his career of more than 20 years with Harris County Sheriff's
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Department his TV career also took a hit by the time of Patricia's death I understand you were still taping yes the
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the Justice with Christina pz show well they say before that we were taping then
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after that we didn't do any more taping Renard had portrayed the Bale for 9 years and taped more than 100
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episodes he told us it was something his wife really liked about him and what did
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Patricia think of your television career oh she loved it she she was excited and
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a matter of fact I took her to the couple of the enemies Patricia's childhood friend Ezra Washington had a
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small part as an extra on that show and remembered meeting Ard when Patricia and
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Renard got together you recognized him right away from from his time rard and Ezra became close friends but over time
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even before Patricia married Renard Ezra says Renard was controlling with her they were a papos Friday night you know
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she'd have a few and he told her don't drink no more and she said why he was like cuz I said so and she dumped him
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the couple got back together but their problems hardly went away says Ezra and eventually impacted Patricia's
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relationship with her cousin syil he didn't like silver at all he literally just hated her she allowed Pat to have
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freedom they were going on this Cruise every year and they party have fun and they meet people from other parts of the
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country he definitely felt you know intimidated by the relationship you know that we had um Cil says after the couple
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got married Patricia distanced herself it was more so trying to just put that wedge um between the two of
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us and it worked I just backed off from it I didn't want to come between somebody and
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their marriage it almost seemed like he was jealous of her relationships that he
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already knew she had I mean he met her Patrina says her mom and Renard had no business being married she says their
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relationship became strained once they moved into their new house they argued quite a bit what did she complain about
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with him mainly it was liido uh that he he didn't want to sleep with her and maybe she thought he
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was taking steroids because his his whole demeanor changed and his attitude towards her
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changed swings lot of up and down yes Patrina says her mom looked up some of Renard's pills and told her she found
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proof Renard was using steroids in the days leading up to the shooting did it seem like things had
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intensified yes Renard says he was never controlling with Patricia but he doesn't
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deny there were issues in their marriage and says they began about a month before
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the shooting she thought I was on steroids and stuff and I'm trying to get to understand that I my testosterone was
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low and I was going to a doctor Renard says a doctor had prescribed him testosterone shots what about the
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steroids were you taking steroids at that time that's was the replacement it's called it's called replacement
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therapy that's that's not steroids did you feel like you your moods were up and down too during the time you were
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getting those shots does do the shots affect your mood no no Renard had already told police the two
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were arguing on that fatal night and she thought her probably was cheating on her
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or something because we wasn't intimate anymore and what you say to her I told her no that's
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crazy security footage in the spivey's home recorded some of the couple's movements she is sitting at the table at
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one point you walk over to her what happens I I when I walked over to her I was getting ready to go to bed and every
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time I walk over to her she'd turned her phone down and then I was trying to I kiss her I'm not kissing you Renard says
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he was curious why Patricia was hiding her phone from him after they went to bed thinking that
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his wife was asleep he says he grabbed her phone from her nightstand and brought it into the closet I want to see
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what she was looking at and so when I grab the phone I'm thinking she sleep I go on the master closet it's dark and it
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wasn't seconds before you know pointing the gun at me give me my damn phone Renard says Patricia followed him into
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the closet with a gun then when I turned around and saw her finger on the trigger
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I was scared for my [Music] life when I turned around she had the gun pointed at me
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[Music] tension between Renard and his wife Patricia turned frightening he says I
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was really scared cuz you know put your finger on the trigger unless you prepared to shoot when Patricia
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threatened him with his gun where do you keep your gun uh on the on the dresser so it's on your side on
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the bed yeah and is it always loaded it's always loaded don't you talk somebody down like as your police
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training is to deescalate the situation well I was afraid cuz I've never been in
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a situation like that before so the best thing I knew in my training to try to take the weapon away from him Renard
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says he tried to do just that and things unfolded quickly when I grabbed her wrist I grabbed the top of the weapon
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she pulled back with her thing on the trigger and it went off and shot me in the leg so you got shot first I got shot
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first then what happened I was in the process of balling down and when I trying to take the weapon away from me
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it went off a a couple more times two more times he says Patricia was hit in the chest and then hit by
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another bullet in her arm as Illustrated in the CBS News animation based on defense Theory we're certain that the
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first shot that hit her went into her left chest through her lungs and into her heart we think that the second shot
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that hit her hit her in the right arm and went basically in and out of the bicep and then into her upper right
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chest but former prosecutor Lisa Andrews says it is not certain that only two shots struck her the medical examiner
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thought it was possible Patricia's wounds were the result of three shots one to the left chest one to the right
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arm and a third to her right chest there's a lot of controversy about how many times she was actually shot one
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shot is an accident three shots well I mean that's the question right investigators poured over the home
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surveillance three gunshots are heard clearly but authorities suspected Renard actually fired the gun four times three
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bullets fired at Patricia and then one Renard would have fired at himself sh the wounding his leg to make it seem
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that Patricia shot him investigators identified one piece of sound you can hear it over the alarm ringing now this
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next clip picks up the tap they say it's The Gunshot recorded about a minute and a half after the
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three other shots different sound different sound there was a reason they say it sounds
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different than the others their theory was that that that sound that fourth sound was a gunshot in a different part
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of the house and that was him shooting himself Renard Spivey denies there was a fourth gunshot that wasn't you shooting
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the fourth shot then have cover up story no man Renard's attorneys dick and Michael dearr and also listen to that
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surveillance tape it is not a gunshot they say the sound most likely is the click of
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another camera in the room being activated and keep in mind there were three empty cartridges that were
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found but Lisa Andrew says there were other things that could point to Renard's guilt like his call to
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911 what is your emergency uh a shot spot [Applause] okay sir is there an actual patient
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there has someone been shot yes ma'am it's pretty calm the demeanor does look pretty off to me okay where's the
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patient are they on the floor and I'm I'm shocked too they he doesn't say my wife or she it's it's an
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emotional step back from from what has happened it took Renard 2 and 1 half minutes to say he accidentally shot his
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wife yeah my wife had argum I accidentally shot her it's like he can't bring himself to say what he's
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done for him not to reveal that information with two decades of Law Enforcement Training to me that was
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consciousness of guilt but Renard says he wasn't hiding anything where when you traumatize and see your wife shot and
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you shot two at the same time it's it's a lot mhm where's the gun it's on you can hear the strain in his voice
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so you know he's in pain he was confused and uh probably going into shock but there are other things on that
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tape that caught Andrew's attention since she is not awake and not breathing normally sir we need to
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perform CPR on her huh I said we need to perform CPR on her I thought this was also significant I have no doubt he is
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trained in how to give CPR perform it you can hear what sounds like Renard doing chest compressions 1 2 3 4 5 but a
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little while later you can see on the home security cameras Renard takes a break without mentioning it to the 911
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operator need to apply from direct pressure to your wounds and her wounds but we still need to continue the
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CPR okay ma' he's on the phone with 911 holding the towel on his leg typically when you're performing CPR
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you don't take breaks Renard says he went to unlock the garage door to make sure Medics could
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get to his wife as soon as possible I came right back and continue the chest compressions 1 2 3 4
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6 is then heard breaking down ma here Mr spy just keep going he doing great sir if you can continue please
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continue 1 2 3 4 5 he loved her happy anniversary to you too dear happy anniversary to
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you he really loved her Renard's twin sister is not surprised her brother was emotional she lost her life
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and he still he was [Music] hurting but Patricia's close friend Ezra Washington says just two days before
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Patricia died she told him she was fed up with Renard's controlling ways and his suspected steroid use which she
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blamed for the lack of intimacy in their relationship she said you know what she
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said I'm done she said I'm leaving Ezra says on the day of the shooting he had multiple phone conversations with
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Renard and that Renard told him they were getting a divorce Ezra claims he confronted Renard about steroids I know
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you on them steroids okay okay man I I I I did I got some product from my boy cuz
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I wanted to get lean for the cruise but I I ain't doing it no more I said stop lying
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Ezra says he told Renard to just leave the home but Renard made a comment about Patricia not getting the house I'm a
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sure I'm a sure her I said man don't be stupid Ezra says he feels guilty for not
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reaching out to Patricia to warn her that night I didn't call I regret that to this day but he told authorities
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about his conversations with Renard I told him everything as Patrina and syil waited
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for the case to go to trial they had arrived at the same conclusion with Ezra that Renard had intentionally shot and
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killed Patricia it was more or less his actions afterwards I didn't see any remorse from him I don't think it was an
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accident but Renard spivey's loved ones were convinced he would walk out a free man he would never ever intentionally
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pull a weapon to kill I knew him I knew he was going to get a not guilty ver as Patricia spivey's family waited
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for their day in court the Corona virus pandemic stalled the proceedings 4 and A2 years passed by that's not Justice
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Renard remained under house arrest but after some time his lawyer successfully filed a motion to remove his ankle
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monitor and Renard joined the world of dating app I probably was on maybe one or two
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of them but you know you get lonely you need you know you know some friends or something like
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that on November 28th 2023 Renard Spivey was back in court this time not as a bayith but as the accused facing a life
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sentence if convicted he looked totally different you know he wasn't the the clean shaven you know he had the The
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Gray beard the state told the jury Renard shot Patricia intentionally after she threatened to leave their marriage
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the prosecution's theory is that almost like he snapped he was angry they were arguing he was being accused of things
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by her but according to spivey's attorneys this was simply a case of self-defense self-defense fits because
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she was threatening him with a gun and he grabbed her wrist and the gun in his own defense they say what happened next
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was an accident it was an unintentional discharge of the gun several discharges of the
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gun when he told me what kind of gun it was I'd had experience with that particular model of a Smith and Wesson
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semi-automatic you have it right there there is no external safety on this gun so if someone's finger is on that
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trigger all it takes is is a slight slight pressure and it goes off with someone that's gripping and
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trying to wrestle with the gun that's enough pressure to engage the trigger and to fire the gun dict de Garen says
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once fired the semi-automatic reloads itself instantaneously it recharges in in Split
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seconds each time it's fired it's ready to fire again we went with dear to the doorway of the closet in spy's house
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it's a pretty sizable closet it's like a it's a big closet closet where he showed
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us what he says happened he saw that she had her finger on the trigger with his left hand he grabbed her right wrist
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okay and put his right hand on the top of the gun to force it down and she pulled back and so she sh away from me
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okay and when she did that it it shot hit him in the left thigh and as they fell he grabbed her again and grabbed
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the gun and tried to twist twist it out of her hand uh her left hand came off okay left hand comes off and and the gun
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went off again and shot her the in the chest then dearin says the gun went off one more time and the third shot hit
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Patricia in the arm her hand by that time was in relationship to her body almost vertical mhm to her body that's
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why when the bullet went in it went in by her elbow came back out and went into her chest Garen says the powder burn
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mark on Renard's right hand proves he grabbed the gun as Patricia fired when the gun
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fires uh this is where the gunpowder that's been fired comes out and that's what burned his right hand but there was
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something that puzzled the prosecutors and they raised it at trial where's she at she's laying on the floor in Renard's
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telling he and Patricia were fighting at the entrance of the closet but Patricia's body was found deep inside
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the closet prosecutors believe it was because he cornered her her body as I understand her body where did it end up
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well it ended up uh over in about the area that you are but then after and why how did it end up here because that's
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where they fell where she fell at trial the defense team painted Patricia as the
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aggressor and they point to her internet activity that evening to demonstrate they say that her frustration with her
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husband was building at 2:49 a.m. Patricia posted this meme on Facebook characterize people by their actions and
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you will never be fooled by their words at 2:59 a.m. Patricia is seeing on camera for the last time
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at 3:01 a.m. prosecutors suspect Patricia had enough and you can make out her saying the words it's the same thing
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over and over [Music] again but dearin says it is not clear what Patricia really
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meant maybe that's what she said but what did it mean it's ambiguous what is she complaining about over and over
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again at 3:03 a.m. Renard is seen in the kitchen and then he goes into the bedroom 4 minutes later at 3:07 you hear
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those three gunshots they were in quick succession inside of 4 seconds and at trial Renard
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Spivey told the jury his wife Patricia was the one firing I didn't pull a trigger
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no your fingers weren't on the trigger no ma'am not at all dearen says there is no evidence to
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contradict that he says that a crime scene technician acknowledged at trial that the trigger was never separately
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swabbed for DNA he said well I was afraid that the gun would go off again now that tells you how dangerous that
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gun was but Patrina says her mom was not the type of person who would pull a gun
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on anyone my mom is not violent like that it didn't make sense to me instead Patrina believes her mom was
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in the closet that night because she was packing I think she was trying to leave
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that night prosecutors had Ezra Washington tell the jury about those phone conversations with Renard where Renard
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talked about his frustrations I just want to get him the truth everything that came out of his
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mouth that I know but the prosecutors ran into a problem they say Ezra told them he spoke to Renard using apps on
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his phone and they were unable to find records of those calls dearen says he doesn't believe those conversations ever
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took place are you saying Ezra Washington then when he testified because he was a key witness for the
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prosecution was he lying when he talked about those phone calls I wouldn't call him a key witness particularly when we
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were able to show that there was no no record of those calls he didn't talk to me he lied he didn't talk to me I mean
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why would he make that up I don't know why he would make that up and Renard says he had no reason to kill his wife
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had there been conversations about separation or divorce between you and Patricia no she hadn't talked about
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leaving you no no all that's lies as the case went to the jury no one knew who the jur SS were going to
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believe it was tough people Point F that you you did it and I know deep inside that I
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didn't if you were on the jury what would be the most important evidence in this case chat now with the 48 Hours
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team on Facebook and X stop having hope and have faith on December 6th 2023 after 12 hours of
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deliberations over two days the jury and Renard spivey's murder trial reached a verdict my heart is you know I'm
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emotional I don't know what to expect and found him happy anniversary happy anniversary not guilty
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[Music] I fall to the floor crying boo crying my attorneys help picked me up my family you know very emotional yeah
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oh Renard's sister Rene was relieved I'm wanting it to be over with because I'm concerned about him I'm concerned about
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his well-being his life how he's handling this but she says there were no winners she lost her life and I was
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feeling for her and his life will never be the same on the other side of the aisle
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Patricia's family and friends say they couldn't believe the jury's decision I'm I'm just I'm numb I do not
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believe that she received Justice at [Music] all I feel like I heal my bread and then
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not guilty I I'm I don't understand how they got there I didn't believe him Renard's attorney says the jurors just
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weren't convinced Beyond a reasonable doubt that his client was the one who fired that gun I think was very
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important to the jury that the prosecution never proved whose finger was on the trigger and it's very
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important because the prosecution has a burden of proof and the the gun was so important the fact that it's such a
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dangerous uh design of a gun that would go off so [Music] easily there just wasn't uh enough
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evidence to disprove his story since the trial Patricia's family say they've had a hard time processing
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their loss felt like it was way too soon for me to be at her funeral Facebook has
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this these memories it just seems like every other day pictures will come up and think
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about the times that you know we shared um the good times my mom was still important like
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she was important to me I just miss that unconditional love I have no anchor like she's gone so
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she was my my anchor yeah so yeah I'm hurting so I know how they feel actually I would like to you know come
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to their family go to their family and say hey look you know I loved her you know and they knew
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that it's no doubt in my mind that they knew I love Patricia Marshall Bernard says since his
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acquittal he has been active in his community I work for a organization and a volunteer for healing for hoodies and
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we feed the Homeless every Sunday leaning on his family and friends a lot of the officers a lot of other
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people we knew each you didn't do that we knew that you would get you know found not guilty we know you we know
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your character we know what type of person you are man appreciate it man appreciate God is good God is good but
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he says he still misses his wife you remember stuff that she used to like you remember the
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music you remember the food she like you know what color dress certain things she like you remember all
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that so every day it's it's a challenge it's it's I'm still I can't sleep at [Music]
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