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[Music] this was different than any homicide we've ever really had this was a homicide that occurred in
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someone's bathroom from the the first moment when we walked in and saw Becky's body it was
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different she was shot 14 times and there was one miss so there were 15 rounds fired
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my mom called my phone she was understandably hysterical and uh she just kept saying Becky is dead you never
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expect to get a phone call saying your sister's dead it doesn't seem possible she was an incredible nurse but
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she was made to be a mom I can't imagine someone looking at someone so beautiful and kind and still
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thinking that she should take her life from her she must have been so scared this brutal crime has had the
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Quincy Community on edge and our residents living in fear how big a story was this initially it was hug
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huge were people scared that there was a killer loose definitely how is this happening in our small town make sure
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you lock your doors turn on exterior lights there were owers in the area right next door within a week of of her
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being murdered they're breaking into cars they're trying to break into houses it wasn't a random Prowler it was an
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execution you don't kick down a door chase them into a bathroom shoot them once and then shoot them that many more
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times in a random act this was somebody who was there with a purpose did you think you'd probably be
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a suspect I mean you're the estranged husband in in the middle of a very contentious
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divorce I had to kind of make an assumption that yeah I probably was going to be a suspect we learned that he
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was on a Family Feud it's time to play family Fe he gave a silly answer to a silly question the question was what is
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the number one regret that people have from their wedding day what's the biggest mistake you made at your wedding
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honey I love you but said I do not my mistake not my mistake I love my wife it wasn't said with any malice
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or or or bad intentions it was supposed to be funny it was the second most popular answer on the board I
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do it got attention to the case but it had nothing to do with it what's the first thing then you did
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looking for evidence we had the detectives go around to all the neighbors to see if they had any video
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that's her house over there yep that's and this is the neighbor's driveway this is the neighbor's driveway you'll see
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this person walk across looks like they have gloves on can't see a face at all can't see a face he can't see hair he
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can't really see anything else that's not Tim in that video you can't tell who it is can you absolutely say with
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certainty that that is Tim B Nick based on the video evidence alone absolutely not that's one piece of the puzzle he
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had everything to lose if that's him and nothing to gain I wholeheartedly do not
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believe he had anything to do with the death of Becky did you kill your wife Becky no I did not murder Becky the idea
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of of murdering someone let alone the mother of my kids is not any part of who I am
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[Music] [Music] Josh Jones and Laura kek have prosecuted hundreds of cases 11 and 10 seconds but
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no case has troubled them quite like the murder of Becky bnck you put yourself in
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in the mind of Becky bnck in the last moments of her life the fear that she had to be feeling you can't walk out of
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that house and not be affected by it Becky was just 41 years old when on the afternoon of February 23rd
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2023 her own father discovered her lifeless on the bathroom floor of her Quincy Illinois home she'd been dead for
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hours shot a total of 14 times none of the wounds were immediately fatal it took her minutes to die it was an
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emotional response for both of us to to realize not just that she had been executed but that her last minutes were
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lying on a floor alone in the dark in extreme pain waiting to die Quincy is a quiet town along the Mississippi River
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where violent crimes are rare and unsettling she was a nurse who had three children I think people were just
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horrified that a mother of three young boys could be shot and killed in her own home Sarah Riley is Becky's older sister
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and her only sibling she lives in in New York but was away on vacation with her husband Brett Riley when they got that
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lifechanging call you just want to wake up and have it not be real it's a living
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Nightmare how fast can we get to the airport fly back to New York unpack our swimsuits and pack funeral clothes and
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get out to Quincy Illinois and just holding each other up in screaming grief how would you both describe her
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selfless that that really captures it she thought of everybody that was in her life as somebody important and somebody
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special the kids were her world Becky's Three Sons ages 12 10 and 5 were not at home at the time of the murder they were
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staying with their father Tim bnck about a mile away the couple was in the process of getting divorced Tim says
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that when he couldn't reach Becky on the 23rd he contacted her father he said hey
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I haven't been able to get a hold of her either I'm going to go over to the house
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what happened to Becky should have never happened and it just it still doesn't at
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times it still just doesn't feel real police quickly determined that the killer had broken into Becky's home by
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prying open an upstairs window in one of the children's bedrooms this video shows
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a police officer later reenacting how investigators believe the ass salance scaled the house the person had climbed
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up on there there was a patio chair that was pulled over they walked past Becky's
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windows in her bedroom and then they went to a room of one of the boys and they PRI open broke the window open went
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in you could almost Trace their path to Becky's room they had kicked in or broken in the door violently Becky then
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ran into the bathroom turned around and got shot what time do you believe the Intruder entered the house so it would
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have been around 1:11 in the morning uh because we know that at11 and 10 seconds
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Becky tried to call 911 on her cell phone she dialed 91126 and the phone was knocked out of
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her hand and it was found behind the door nothing appeared to be stolen and neighbors didn't see or hear anything
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but there was evidence left behind a partial shoe Print near the point of entry eight spent 9mm shell casings and
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small pieces of plastic on the floor around Becky's body we thought it was unusual when we saw that it was like
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okay what is this detectives canvasing the neighborhood looking for surveillance video didn't have to go far
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Becky's Nextdoor neighbors the highman had installed a camera on the side of their house after a car break in more
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than a year earlier it pointed at their driveway which ran alongside Becky's house what does it record it records
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movement so anytime it senses movement it will notify us on our phones the Hyman's camera didn't capture anything
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on the night of the murder but it did capture something unusual about 24 hours earlier we've slowed down some of the
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videos so you can see them better at 1:05 a.m. a person was seen walking down the driveway towards the back of Becky's
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house and what appeared to be that same person was seen again 48 minutes later this time walking in the opposite
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direction the camera had also captured a similar incident about a week earlier on
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February 14th Valentine's Day I saw that one in the middle of the night and texted Becky immediately I told her we
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just saw somebody in the driveway and she responded not until the next morning and what did she say when she responded
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that's when she told me that she hadn't seen anything but she thought she had been hearing voices in her backyard and
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her motion like go on and she was very paranoid at the time the Hyman thought it was a neighborhood Prowler looking
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for something to steal but now with Becky dead they began to wonder and investigators did too officers went
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around the entire neighbor neighborhood trying to find more video and we were able to find a video from a house and we
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were able to find video from the Quincy bus barn and those videos showed a person riding a bike in the direction of
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Becky's house after analyzing the recorded times of the videos authorities began to suspect that the person seen on
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the bike was a same person seen in the driveway every time you see a person at the Heyman residence you see a person
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riding a bike down the road just a few minutes before you see a person on that highman video and even though there was
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no video from the highman residents on the morning Becky was killed there was video of a person on a bike riding in
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the direction of Becky's house right before the murder and in the opposite direction right after and this is not a
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part of town that people ride bikes in the middle of the night in Winter and so when you have this surveillance video
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and it exactly matches the timeline that's suspicious but there was one big problem you can tell absolutely nothing
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from the videos only that the bike did not appear to have reflectors on the wheels I mean you can't see whether it's
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male female it's terrible the video is terrible authorities needed more leads and they would get one from Becky's
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sister that would Point them in a very specific Direction [Music] when Becky Sister Sarah and
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brother-in-law Brett learned of her murder they say one person came to mind as the prime suspect Becky's estranged
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husband Tim BFF neck I told Brett it was Tim of course right away right away Tim and Becky met when they were
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students at Quincy University but it wasn't until 2 years after graduating that they began dating and how would you
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describe Becky back then happy fun she was beautiful the two eventually moved in together married and started a family
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Becky quit her job in pharmaceutical sales to become a stay-at-home mom while while Tim continued his successful
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career in the recycling industry I thought this was it you know I'm going to be 85 and sitting on a
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porch in a rocking chair with her talking about how good life was but things didn't turn out that way she was
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very happy with their marriage for probably the first 5 years uh and then you know things started to change he got
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progressively more manipulative and controlling and he didn't do any of the work ever at the
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house Shannon zanger is Becky's close friend when she'd come over and we'd talk husbands as wives do she felt like
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she was shouldering most of the load I thought man I really have a partner here and she doesn't seem to have that
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partnership Shannon and Sarah say the relationship only became more strained when Becky decideed to go back to school
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to become a nurse he not only did not support her he did not increase his time with the boys while Tim acknowledges
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that he wasn't in favor of Becky taking on a career in nursing he says it was out of concern for her
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well-being because of the stress piece of it were you worried you'd have to pick up more of the work with the kids
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not at all I I've always been involved with the kids every day in January 2021 after 11 years of marriage Tim filed for
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divorce although he wouldn't discuss the specifics of why he filed he hinted that
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it had to do with what he saw as a change in Becky's personality after she became a
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nurse she struggled with patience and stress a lot especially when it came to the kids and it it created some conflict
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but Sarah says Tim is just making excuses and she believes the reason Tim filed for divorce is because he couldn't
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control Becky she says Becky was a loving mother and tried in vain to salvage the marriage she wanted to go to
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marriage counseling with him and he refused whatever the reason for the divorce might have been one thing is
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certain things between the two soon turn contentious according to divorce documents they fought over just about
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everything money the marital home and custody of the kids I don't understand why it got so
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contentious if you were the one who wanted to get out uh yeah I was the one that wanted to get out and I tried on
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several occasions but there are details that I'm I'm not that are hard to talk about that
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happened in the divorce in the months after Tim filed for divorce Becky began voicing concerns about Tim's Behavior
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she sent this text to a friend he has screamed in my face he shoved me in front of the kids and has thrown things
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across the room and she texted another friend I truly believe Tim has serious mental health problems and he is
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becoming more vengeful and unpredictable but Tim says it was Becky who was vengeful she told people I had an affair
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which is untrue she tried to tell people that I was an alcoholic which is untrue
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she was telling people these things because she was angry about the divorce at one point Tim sought an order
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of protection against Becky he alleg Becky stocked and harassed him he also referenced an incident where he said
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Becky had become combative during a disagreement at a parent teacher night asking the letter I'm asking you to stop
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stop harassing me and stop I'm not harassing you I'm asking he offered this video of the incident as proof make a
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copy for I don't want you to take me stop do this don't take me I don't I didn't ask you to take me do you really
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think she was trying to hurt him in that video I don't think anybody was trying to hurt anybody I think you have two
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parents that were having a disagreement and didn't know how to deal with it Casey schn was one of Tim's divorce
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attorneys the judge didn't grant that order of protection not Grant it no days after Tim filed for that order of
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protection and more than a year before her death Becky sent her sister Sarah this text if something ever happens to
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me please make sure the number one person of interest is Tim she would later make similar statements to friends
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I said what did he do and that uh text was prompted by uh the murder of one of her um colleagues one of the the nurses
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that she knew was murdered by um her partner that scared her she felt like this could happen this is real I never
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understood where that came from we would get into arguments and sometimes we would get loud but that's all it
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amounted to Sarah says she recommended Becky seek help from a domestic abuse organization and eventually Becky filed
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for an order of protection against Tim in her petition she alleged that Tim ENT her her residence without permission she
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also said that he repeatedly falsified interactions between the two that order of protection was not granted but a
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judge did ultimately order Tim and Becky stay away from each other's residences except when exchanging their kids and
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the judge also ordered Tim to return a 9mm handgun that Becky had gifted him when they were together he was into um
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you know recreational shooting she wanted that particular gun back because the gun was in her name but Becky never
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got it back and it was a 9mm handgun that was later used to kill her I have not seen that gun in 3 years I didn't
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have it Becky was killed one week before the divorce case was set to go to trial
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when Sarah informed law enforcement of their history Tim became a person of interest authorities kept digging and
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days later they found a bike with no reflectors on the wheels just like the on seen on those surveillance videos how
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close was that bike that you found to Tim's house less than half a block they then executed a search
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warrant on Tim's house and car as Tim looked on and on March 13th 2023 just over two weeks after Becky's
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death Tim bnck was arrested and charged with her murder I can't even fathom the idea of
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considering murdering somebody like I can't Tim's divorce attorney Casey schn would become his defense attorney and
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she says she's convinced police got it wrong he knew how much those kids meant to her and how much she meant to them he
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wouldn't do this to them he wouldn't when Tim bik was arrested it made national news he competed on Family
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Feud as his whole town cheered him on but his local hero status is over now that in large part because of that
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appearance he made alongside his parents and brothers on the game show Family Feud talk to 100 married people what's
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the biggest mistake you made at your wedding honey I love you but said I do the episode was filmed in
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2019 nearly two years before Tim filed for divorce but because of the charges he now face it had people talking and
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there was also chatter about Tim's appearance in his mug shot although it was no surprise to Becky's
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family we had seen through social media the deterioration of his appearance and that went hand in hand with the
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deterioration of his mental state over the course of the divorce but Tim says that's not the case and that he had been
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growing out his hair for a fundraiser for cancer research I'm not a violent person I'm not an angry person I've
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never been that way Tim's attorney Casey schnock was determined to prove his innocence she says just because Tim and
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Becky were going through a messy divorce it doesn't mean he killed her it wasn't
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pretty but the things that they were fighting over were not Monumental things you know there were a number of friends
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um Becky's friends who said that she Express great fear of Tim mhm yeah that's a lot of girl talk I've never
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seen any any pictures of her with bruises of marks any allegations of him beating on her nothing but Adams County
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Prosecutors Josh Jones and Laura kek say even though there may not have been physical abuse there was emotional abuse
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evident in Tim's text to Becky what do his text messages reveal so I would say what they reveal is somebody who wants
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power and control he wants to control the relationship he wants to control how people perceive him Tim denies that she
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wasn't the one that was emotionally abused I tried to create space I tried to stay out of her life and Tim says he
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has an alibi for the time of the murder he says he was home with their three kids they were sleeping over that night
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because Becky had asked him to keep them an extra night she told him that she wasn't
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feeling well and he said that's fine that's how you want to see two people in a divorcing situation act with kids but
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Jones and K believe Tim saw an opportunity she showed weakness to a predator that's what predators do when
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they see a weakness they attack and they also say that explains the intruder's point of entry an upstairs window in one
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of the kids' bedrooms if you're a random Intruder why do you go to the second floor window you go past not just one
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window but three Windows um that are possible entrance points and you just happen to get lucky that it's a little
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boy's room that's not there that night but schn points to what she says is a lack of physical evidence tying Tim
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to the crime no murder weapon or bloody clothing was found and while police did seize pairs of Tim shoes they weren't
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able to match them to that partial shoe print found at the scene they took every single pair of
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athletic shoes that they thought would be a match they didn't find any that that were a suitable match schnock also
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points out that Tim's DNA wasn't found on that patio chair that investigators believe was used by the killer to climb
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onto Becky's roof nothing on that was connected to Tim they took every pair of gloves from Tim's car house and and that
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they could find and none of those gloves had any anything that linked him to this
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crime but if Tim didn't kill Becky who did if I knew that answer I would have given that name or whoever it was a long
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time ago Tim's attorney says that she believes investigators should have given more weight to the idea that it could
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have been a random Prowler who killed Becky in a Breakin gone wrong remember police found those videos of a person on
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a bike and a person walking down Becky's neighbor's driveway Tim insists it's not
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him in those videos you cannot say with any degree of certainty who that person is on any of
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those videos all you see is a bike without reflectors and even though a bike with
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no reflectors on the wheels was found less than half a block from Tim's house schnock says that doesn't mean anything
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his DNA was not found on that bike and we don't even know that the bike that was found is the same bike that was in
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the video but prosecutors Jones and kek say they did find evidence tying Tim to that bike we were able to download
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information off his phone and we found that Mr bnck had a what I'll call burner or fake Facebook account with the name
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John Smith and they say that John Smith Facebook account appeared to have been looking at this bike for sale it's a
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blue Schwin with no reflectors on the wheels just like that bike that was found mean I have a fake Facebook
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account I'm not proud of it but people do it it isn't it a bit of a problem though that on his phone he gets a for
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that blue bike sure are there similarities sure but that's not the only abandoned bike that's been found
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around town Jones and kex say they're confident they got the right guy the detectives followed the evidence exactly
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where it took them and there was one inescapable conclusion that it was Mr bnck but despite their confidence they
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soon faced quite a challenge when Tim was arrested He was ordered held without bond he had a right to a speedy trial
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which he took meaning prosecutors would be required to try the case within 90 days of Tim's arrest we were going to be
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ready come hell or high water but did they have a enough to prove their case Beyond A Reasonable Doubt juries expect
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a confession they expect that DNA evidence that says one in 500 million we're going to have to show them that
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that's not what we have here what do you make of Tim bla Nick's answer on Family Feud take a look at the
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case evidence at 48 hours.com on May 23rd 2023 exactly 3 months after Becky bnck was gunned down
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in her home Tim bnck went on trial for her murder the defendant looked down at Becky and he pointed a gun at her and he
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pulled the trigger prosecutors Josh Jones and Lura began by methodically laying out the evidence they say points
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directly to Tim starting with those odd pieces of plastic that were found around
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Becky's body they say investigators determined that they were shreds from an Aldi grocery store bag and then in the
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defendant's house we found stacks of Aldi bags he'd fired through an Aldi bag either in an attempt to muffle the sound
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or to catch his showcasing and prosecutors say that in the process DNA was left behind on a piece of that
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plastic an expert testified that it was more likely than not that Tim was a contributor
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and Tim also couldn't be excluded from DNA that was found under Becky's fingernails that was three times more
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likely to have come from the defendant or a male relative uh from the lineage of the defendant and this case is
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driving Reasonable Doubt but defense attorney Casey schn says that evidence is far from definitive everybody in town
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has Al the bags that they're hoarding they could have came from Becky's house with DNA from him well because they
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transferred stuff back and forth for the boys in Aldi bags there was DNA found under Becky's fingernails yeah and it
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was just as likely to be Tims as any one of the boys prosecutors also told the jury that police found this crowbar in
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Tim's basement and they called an expert to the stand who testified that she compared it to Tool marks left on the
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window that was pred open at Becky's while there were microscopic consistencies she couldn't say with
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scientific certainty that that crowbar made those marks the experts said that that was inconclusive inconclusive
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leaves a jury guessing and speculating which they are not allowed to do the jury heard about the couple's
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acrimonious divorce and from Becky's sister and several friends who testified about those fears Becky had raised about
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Tim several of them acknowledged that they regretfully didn't take accepts to help her how could Tim do that I've
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known Tim forever when she reached out to people that's what they said in hindsight of course like oh we should
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have done more there's only one person that believed it was true and that was Becky
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herself and the prosecution argued that the timing of the murder is significant remember Becky was killed one week
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before the couple's divorce case was set to go to trial and prosecutors told the
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jury there was something even bigger than money and custody that was going to come into play Becky didn't want their
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three children to be around the defendant's father UNS supervised they didn't tell the jury why but we
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uncovered these court documents that reveal Becky had gathered Witnesses who she said plan to testify about Tim's
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Father Ray bnck and would allege that he had a history of perversion and abuse abing minor children many years earlier
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the alleged victims were not Becky and Tim's children Becky sought an order of protection against Rey but a judge
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denied her request in a letter Ray's lawyer wrote that Ray vehemently denies the claims and that he has never been
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charged with any criminal offense stemming from the allegations information was going to come out that
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he didn't want to come out and he started to feel like he was losing control the prosecution pointed out that
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on the day of Becky's murder hours before anyone except her killer knew that she was dead Tim brought a kid's
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basketball hoop to his father's house he's doing that because he knows Becky's not going to be a problem anymore Becky
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didn't want those boys around Ray and in Tim's mind that problem was solved because Becky was dead I really don't
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buy that I why not because the boys weren't restricted from seeing Ray to begin with they just couldn't see him
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without supervision so and schn says those allegations were old news so all of those allegations were in pleadings
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that her attorneys had filed and at that point were already a matter of public record it doesn't make sense that he
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would throw his life away over a divorce and keeping information out of the public eye that quite frankly was
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already out but the prosecution wasn't done the jury was also shown numerous damaging searches found on Tim's phone
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like how to open my door with a crowbar how to make a homemade pistol silencer and how to clean gunpowder off your
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hands it was mindboggling it was mindboggling yeah and remember that person caught on camera in Becky's
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neighbor driveway on Valentine's Day about a week before the murder well prosecutors say that right after that
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sighting Tim made more than 200 searches online for a specific license plate and
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a car VIN number it turns out that that license plate and VIN number belonged to
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a man whom Becky was dating and his truck was parked in Becky's driveway at the time and for somebody with power and
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control issues you realize that your prior significant other is now in a relationship with somebody that they're
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spending the night on Valentine's Day and then the minute you get back to your home at 1:10 in the morning you're
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searching their license plate number and their VIN number that's somebody who's lost control timman says he had learned
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about Becky's new relationship months earlier I actually didn't care it sounds like you were kind of obsessed cuz no he
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declined to go into more detail about specific trial evidence citing legal proceedings but his lawyers spoke for
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him I mean if I'm going to be checking out my husband's new girlfriend I'm going to be doing it late at night after
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my kids are asleep so it's just a coincidence that the night you see that Prowler at the next door neighbor's
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driveway and his truck is there it's just a coincidence that just minutes later Tim is doing research on the VIN
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number and the license tag that's not Tim in that video what about the searches that were found on Tim's phone
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there's no date or time as to when those searches were done so we don't know if they were done before the murder and we
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don't know if they were done after the murder before they rested the case prosecutors dropped one more piece of
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evidence these spent shell casings that were found in Tim's home an expert testified that she compared them to the
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shell casings found at the crime scene and determined that 27 of them had been fired from the exact same gun used in
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the murder each firearm leaves its own fingerprint on every shell casing that it fires it was the same gun that killed
00:35:31
Becky bnck that fired the shell casings that were found in Tim bnck residence that's the expert's opinion at the end
00:35:38
of the day it's subject to human error like anything else but when it was the defense's turn to call witnesses it
00:35:46
chose to call none you could have brought in your own expert to say those did not match I guess we could have but
00:35:53
we were strapped on time and funds you've got a man's life life on the line and he didn't want us to do
00:36:01
that it was a risky move but one that may have paid off for the defense because when the jury began deliberating
00:36:10
they took a vote and there was a hold out sometimes you just need one when the jury began deliberating
00:36:29
after a Six-Day trial Tim bck was on edge it was miserable because I was essentially waiting for them to decide
00:36:38
my fate inside that jury room one Jer was undecided our stomachs were in nuts we were Beyond
00:36:47
stressed but 4 hours later a verdict when they passed the paper from the jury box to the clerk to the the clerk that
00:36:58
was very difficult to know that there's a possibility that he could get away with
00:37:04
it would the clerk read the verdicts please we the jury find the defendant Timothy bnck guilty of first degree
00:37:13
murder guilty it was a sense of relief that they had found him guilty but it was
00:37:20
also a sense of these three little boys have not lost both parents it's not a celebration
00:37:28
when we sat down with Tim bnck it was just over a month after his conviction he was still awaiting
00:37:36
sentencing did you ever imagine you would be here no no never at times it's felt like I'm watching somebody else's
00:37:45
life from the outside like it it it it can't be me but the only thing I can do right now is what we are doing filing an
00:37:52
appeal I have to I have to believe in that process because if not tell me what you're thinking right now
00:38:07
my kids I just want him to know that I love them and I miss him I'm innocent I didn't kill Becky but Becky's sister
00:38:18
says Tim is right where he belongs he called my dad to set him up to find her that
00:38:26
alone shows how cruel he really is as agonizing as our pain is I want him to understand his worst crime was against
00:38:43
his children and that's the message Sarah delivered directly to Tim during her Victim Impact statement right before he
00:38:53
was sentenced on August 11th 2023 you're children's future will be forever impacted by your
00:39:01
crime they are already suffering maybe you should have Googled childhood PTSD in between your internet searches
00:39:09
for homemade silencers and Bin numbers judge Robert Adrien had the option of sentencing Tim to anywhere between 45
00:39:18
years to life Mr bnck you research this murder you plann this this murder you broke into her
00:39:30
house and you shot her 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 times the court believes
00:39:41
that the appropriate sentence would be natural life in prison life in prison without the possibility
00:39:53
of parole prosecutors Jones and kek say the punish punishment fits the crime but
00:39:59
even they don't consider it justice if I had a magic wand I would bring Becky back to life Tim can spend the rest of
00:40:07
his life out of prison that would be justice but I can't what we can do is we can hold her killer accountable and
00:40:14
that's all we can do now Becky's family is left to focus on all they have left of her memories and the loves of her
00:40:23
life her three boys who are now living with her parents we will all work together to make sure those boys have
00:40:31
the life they deserved and we started a GoFundMe to um support the boys and Becky's family and friends hope that
00:40:40
Becky's mission in life will now become her Legacy Becky would have wanted positive
00:40:49
change to happen she would want somebody else's life to be saved if we can learn
00:40:55
anything if somebody reaches out to you and says that they're scared they believe that their partner or whoever it
00:41:04
is is capable of violence we need to believe them and make an active effort to make sure
00:41:17
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00:42:14
to the team behind the 48 Hours episode called the game show and the murder joining me today our 48 Hours
00:42:20
correspondent Aon Mor arti and producer Stephanie slier thank you so much for joining us thank you for having us yeah
00:42:27
and we love talking about this case because we've spent uh last few months talking about this case we should get
00:42:35
into it listen if you are a true crime uh junkie or if you have any interest in True Crime you'll remember when this
00:42:43
case came out because it was a headline built for the tabloids just in case people can't remember here's a quick
00:42:52
recap Tim bik was arrested and charged in March 2023 with murdering his estranged wife Becky bnck the nurse and
00:43:01
mother of three was found shot multiple times in her Quincy Illinois home after the arrest an answer he gave on the game
00:43:09
show Family Feud years earlier got people talking the question was what is the number one regret that people have
00:43:18
from their wedding day and you said I said uh saying I do it was supposed to be funny prosecutors Josh Jones and
00:43:26
Laura kex say it wasn't the game show it was other evidence that led them to Tim
00:43:32
bnck the couple had been going through a contentious divorce and Becky had told family and friends that she feared Tim
00:43:40
Might harm her the idea of of murdering someone let alone the mother of my kids is not any part of who I am and there
00:43:47
was this surveillance video of a person riding a bike in the direction of Becky's house right before the murder
00:43:54
and in the opposite direction right after prosecutors believe it's Tim bnck but there's one big problem I mean you can't
00:44:03
see whether it's male female it's terrible the video is terrible that's not Tim in that video you can't tell who
00:44:09
it is Casey schnock is Tim bik's defense attorney there were Prowlers in the area
00:44:15
it wasn't a random Prowler it was an execution so this small town case gained national attention in large part due to
00:44:24
an answer Tim gave on an episode a Family Feud and while there's no connection between the murder and the
00:44:31
show is this how the case first got on your radar is this what pequ your interest well I think we were like
00:44:36
everybody else um when you realize that three years earlier before his wife is killed he's making this off-handed
00:44:45
remark about the regret he had on his wedding day was saying I do but of course he was picking a very good answer
00:44:52
for Family Feud so it was a good answer right it was it turned out to be like it
00:44:57
was number two on the board no yes so I mean he really was playing the game right um but but really I think the
00:45:06
reason why I wanted to do it is that this was the perfect family when you looked at it from the outside this
00:45:14
beautiful couple with these three adorable kids living in Quincy Illinois you know just the heart of of the
00:45:21
Midwest and they seem to have it all so when I go into these kind of stories I think do they really have it right would
00:45:29
would this man really throw his entire life away um it didn't make sense because these kids would lose both their
00:45:38
mom and their dad it didn't make sense so that's what drew me to it yeah what about you Stephanie absolutely I agree
00:45:43
with what Aaron said I mean of course it came on our radar because of the Family
00:45:48
Feud connection that's what brought it to the top of the headlines but we very quickly realized it was about a lot more
00:45:55
and in fact when we went and met with the prosecutors they even told us it has nothing to do with the case it never
00:46:01
factored into the prosecution they never had plans to bring it up in court in fact the prosecutor said to us he felt
00:46:08
it would have been denigrating to the case that they were putting together so it was an unfortunate coincidence but it
00:46:14
had happened many years earlier and you know most people at the time even thought it was just a joke Becky sister
00:46:21
told us she wasn't really bothered by it at the time um I think one of the things
00:46:25
that kind of bothered me me watching this is precisely what you said Aaron that this looked like a perfect family
00:46:35
but you know what perfect families fall apart uh you know marriages don't always
00:46:39
work out he says that she was under too much pressure she was taking on too much
00:46:44
she says he was controlling it wasn't working out he left he was getting everything that he wanted and it would
00:46:53
seem like it should not have ended like this it it didn't make sense um people get divorced all the time and it doesn't
00:47:01
end in murder and Aaron asked Tim in the interview you know you filed for divorce
00:47:07
why not just end it why have this drag out and he didn't really want to get into the details of that for whatever
00:47:14
reason so how did you manage to get this interview with Tim it took a lot of patience and perseverance we started by
00:47:22
sending Tim um a letter and we did not hear anything back after that and then we went to town for the trial and to
00:47:31
begin conducting interviews we developed a relationship with his defense attorney
00:47:36
and you know we had mentioned to her repeatedly that we were interested in talking to Tim we always are interested
00:47:41
in talking to all sides and every story that we cover and she indicated to us that she didn't think it was going to
00:47:48
happen he wasn't really up for speaking and while we were in town you know the jail is right across the street
00:47:56
stre from her office and I said to her do you mind if we just try to go visit him and she said sure go try so Aaron
00:48:04
and I and our field producer Gabby walked across to the jail we went in we met with the sheriff who runs the jail I
00:48:12
thought usually have to make appointments ahead of time or requests this is Quincy Illinois which is a
00:48:18
wonderful but small town just a wonderful town but uh we got lucky though because they weren't even
00:48:24
allowing in-person visits it was all video visits that they were doing at the jail but we met with the sheriff and he
00:48:31
agreed to let us meet with Tim in person that day so he had his Deputy lead us downstairs brought us into a room and
00:48:39
next thing you know we were face to face with Tim and but he wants to talk well wait a minute when surprised he was
00:48:45
surprised to see us when he walked out and saw all of us there I think he for a second thought oh what did I just get
00:48:55
into um but Stephanie stayed really in contact with him and and I think Stephanie was very successful and
00:49:03
explaining look um he did not speak at all during his trial this was an opportunity for him to say what he
00:49:11
wanted to say to the American public yeah I mean he was still hesitant at first even after we met with him he
00:49:18
didn't want to commit to anything then and there but I think it was that night when we got home from Illinois and I got
00:49:26
a text M message on my phone and it was him yes he can text from jail it was bizarre we had never seen that I had
00:49:33
never seen that before at least but in this jail he had access to some sort of a tablet and he could text anytime and
00:49:42
so I received a text saying hi Stephanie it's Tim and I was wow and we just we continued talking um from there and
00:49:50
ultimately he decided he did want to talk to us so during this interview Aaron I found myself
00:49:57
watching your face as much as I was watching him what did you think of him how did you feel about how that
00:50:03
interview went well one of the first things and I think you've run into this too whenever you interview somebody uh
00:50:11
who's in jail or prison um you want to keep them in the seat and it's a very difficult dance at times because you
00:50:19
have to ask the very tough questions you do um but you don't you want to do it in
00:50:24
a way that they they feel that they can answer and really um explain the evidence now in this case we were a
00:50:33
little hamstrung he told us in advance that he would not discuss any of the evidence and so we did get to ask these
00:50:40
questions of his lawyer but not him and that's a little frustrating but um I was
00:50:48
I was torn in two different ways one is I was very impressed with him um he was very well spoken he seemed very
00:50:56
emotional he said several times that he did not kill his wife and would not have
00:51:00
killed his wife but the problem was he was a very very controlled interview and that didn't quite match the evidence
00:51:09
that we know a trial was he able to explain how he ended up in this situation if it wasn't him then how did
00:51:17
things end up like this he doesn't have um you know we course ask whether then who would does he have another idea who
00:51:25
because you know this was a very violent Murder She was shot 14 times um close range in a period of a minute that part
00:51:36
I can't get over that somebody came in the house and then by the time she tried calling 911 and the time that person
00:51:43
left was around one minute wow she was shot 14 times that is anger and so I mean who else would have that kind of
00:51:52
anger and he did not have an answer for that so let's talk a little bit about about uh Tim and Becky's relationship in
00:51:58
the hour um you showed a video of Becky and Tim during one of their arguments uh
00:52:04
Tim said that Becky had become combative during a disagreement at a parent teacher night I want to play a little
00:52:10
sound the I'm asking you to stop harassing me and stop I'm not harassing you I'm asking he offered this video of
00:52:16
the incident as proof will make a copy for you I don't want you to take me stop doing this um do you guys sort of think
00:52:24
about how much of their relationship ship you want to show you want to be unbiased well I felt it was important to
00:52:31
show that particular snippet because he had actually filed for an order of protection in part based on that that
00:52:39
was his evidence and when I saw it I saw a woman who was upset that he was photographing her with his phone but I
00:52:48
didn't think I didn't get the feeling from looking at it that she was threatening him and here he was going to
00:52:54
court asking for an order protection so I thought it was only fair for viewers to make their own decision maybe
00:53:02
somebody else looking at it would feel differently than I did but I think it was more the way you described these are
00:53:08
two people going through a contentious divorce um but I didn't see uh I in my view but somebody else might see it
00:53:17
differently I didn't see her threatening him I saw a very frustrated woman um and
00:53:23
he was recording it yeah and you know when Becky had tried to get an order of protection against Tim she wrote in her
00:53:32
petition that he would often falsify interactions between the two so he was alleging in this parent teacher night
00:53:39
that she was combative now we have video let the viewer decide for themselves so
00:53:46
the other thing about this case is that there isn't really the clear bridge between this like toxic relationship
00:53:51
that they're in that's that has fallen apart um and a homicide it just you're like how how do you make
00:53:59
that leap but then there are some text messages that are presented by the prosecution um I want to play a little
00:54:05
sound from the episode days after Tim filed for that order of protection and more than a year
00:54:11
before her death Becky sent her sister Sarah this text if something ever happens to me please make sure the
00:54:20
number one person of interest is Tim she would later make similar statements to friends I said what did he do and that
00:54:30
uh text was prompted by uh the murder of one of her um colleagues one of the the
00:54:36
nurses that she knew was murdered by um her partner that scared her she felt like this could happen this is real you
00:54:45
know what when I um you know look at those texts um what I was most struck by uh was the prosecutor Laura who um said
00:54:55
to us that the the reason why this case had stayed with them so much is that sometimes abuse doesn't end up with
00:55:04
bruises and that they really believe that um Tim bnck was not just controlling but abusive in a way that
00:55:13
you only see behind closed doors and that those texts it wasn't just one or two um reflected the fact that um sadly
00:55:23
Becky was saying something that the her friend and the neighbors and people didn't see um and and that is what has
00:55:32
stayed with me m i mean that's the thing Becky was shouting from the rooftops pretty much that she was scared of Tim
00:55:39
she had a feeling something bad was going to happen at trial eight people testified that she had expressed fear to
00:55:46
them and one of the reasons why her sister wanted to speak about this is because she's hoping that something can
00:55:52
change from this she's hoping that people will take get more seriously in the future many of the people that Becky
00:55:59
expressed fears to said oh you know Tim wouldn't do that he doesn't look like that type of guy wow watching that
00:56:06
interview it was really hard to make the connection for me between what he is in
00:56:13
prison for and this guy who looks like any guy that you know you'd see in Suburbia cutting his lawn and taking his
00:56:20
kids to soccer and can I just if in fact he did you know we know he was convicted
00:56:25
of it 14 times she was shot that reflects such anger yeah and I didn't see any of that
00:56:33
in Tim there is a lot we didn't see and he's accused of doing this too while his
00:56:39
kids are home sleeping in his house it's very hard to comprehend yeah when we get
00:56:45
back we are going to talk about the trial Stephanie you were in the courtroom so I want to hear about that
00:56:51
and we're also going to discuss an interesting piece of evidence that was not in the hour
00:56:56
which was actually a lack of evidence I'm going to explain what that means when we get
00:57:02
[Music] [Music] back welcome back this case really moved at lightning speed uh Becky was gunned
00:57:16
down killed in her own home on February 23rd 2023 Tim went on trial for her murder May 23rd
00:57:24
2023 exactly 3 months later exactly 3 months later a prosecution had 90 days to bring this to trial that is an
00:57:32
unusual timeline I think usually these things take years almost right I this is the first time for me actually I mean I
00:57:38
know that of course I'm familiar with the concept of speedy trial but here's what happened so they you know she is
00:57:46
shot um they then the evidence is pointing toward Tim they arrest him he has a right to a speedy trial which
00:57:54
means that they had to bring the case in 90 days why that just was so fascinating
00:58:01
to me because I thought can they can they develop a case in 90 days sometimes DNA tests take 90 days right and so one
00:58:10
of the reasons why I was so interested in doing this Cas is you know you only get one bite of the Apple they're going
00:58:16
to take him on trial they don't convict him it's done could they prepare a case in time yeah and they did a remarkable
00:58:24
job they pulled it off I mean the police work that went into this was amazing and
00:58:28
you mentioned you know something that did not make it into the hour that was a very interesting piece of evidence and
00:58:35
it dealt with a fitness tracker that Tim would wear around his wrist it's called
00:58:40
a whoop and when investigators executed a search warrant on Tim's house and car they noticed that he was wearing this
00:58:49
Fitness armband and so they were able to obtain it and retrieve data from it and
00:58:54
they realized that his whoop accounted for every second of every day except for the time at which that person was seen
00:59:02
on the driveway video and when that person was seen on the bike and that was big yeah and I mean I
00:59:09
spoke about the the police work that went into this they had to go through almost 1.5 million pieces of data from
00:59:18
that Fitness tracker to determine those gaps in the timeline wow and to them that meant that they had the right guy
00:59:25
right because it you know how it works is so it has to be connected to his phone and clearly he did not have his
00:59:33
phone with him at that moment so just during those times that otherwise so when he was near his phone the the whoop
00:59:42
was working uh except for the time when somebody is seen on the bike and you know somebody is seen outside Becky's
00:59:50
house yeah so the prosecutors believed actually that Tim thought he was being smart by leaving his phone behind when
00:59:57
he went on these bike rides when really it ended up helping to convict him because he didn't take the whoop off and
01:00:05
it wasn't connected to the phone and therefore there was no data during those time periods but it turns out because he
01:00:11
lived so close to her uh about a mile that if he carried the phone with him they they might not have been able to
01:00:18
tell anyway where he was because he was within that mile it you know he could have been hitting off the exact same um
01:00:27
cell tower anyway and so you know that that was interesting that is and that helped the prosecution um the other bit
01:00:39
that's fascinating is the surveillance footage that they use the only thing about the surveillance footage is that
01:00:45
it's super blurry like you can barely kind of make out who this is and it's absolutely true you can't tell gender
01:00:52
nothing the video is only good to show that some body was going back and forth from the direction of Tim's house to her
01:00:59
house then back um at certain times but you can't tell who's on the bike so Erin
01:01:06
you spoke to a juror which gave you guys some real insight as to what was going on during deliberations right and I mean
01:01:12
that's why we try to talk to jurors in every single you learn something that there's no other way you're going to
01:01:18
find this out yes so Aaron did interview a juror but we weren't able to include this in the hour we just didn't have
01:01:25
enough time to get to everything unfortunately but he did share with us that some members of the jury felt that
01:01:33
Tim had the same walk as the person seen in that surveillance video they were paying attention to the way that he
01:01:40
walked in and out of the courtroom wow and they felt that there was a similarity wow and it's actually not the
01:01:45
first time we heard that in our reporting either because Becky's brother-in-law said the same thing he
01:01:51
said when he saw that surveillance video Play in court he knew it was Tim's walk
01:01:56
so they did not deliberate for very long but one of the other things you learned
01:02:01
about the deliberations is that there was a hold out initially yeah that was surprising you know we wouldn't have
01:02:08
known that had we not spoken to that member of the jury and we're always kind of wondering when we're covering a trial
01:02:15
what's going on in that deliberation room you know we're hanging out around the courtroom waiting for the verdict to
01:02:21
come in and hour after hour passed and nothing and it turns out there was a hold out and they had to go over the
01:02:28
evidence multiple times before they were able to reach a unanimous verdict but think about it Amory there really wasn't
01:02:36
much direct evidence and in fact the juror said to us that what really convinced him was really the only bit of
01:02:45
direct evidence which we did have in our piece which was the spent shell casings
01:02:51
um the there were 27 spent shell casings found in his house that uh prosecution said matched I mean they had expert that
01:03:00
said matched um the shell casings found at the crime scene um I think that was probably the real problem with jurors
01:03:09
there wasn't a lot of direct evidence um and as we all see he just didn't look like the type to kill his wife I you
01:03:17
know just kind of going back to him and his demeanor I was surprised that he didn't take the stand I know typically
01:03:22
people don't but it seemed like he might have presented well for lack of a better
01:03:27
phrase he would have but there's no question that um you know there her text messages he would have been asked about
01:03:36
why I mean so you know the prosecution would have been able to bring up things and I think they that often happens with
01:03:44
trials that they just think the risks are too much the hardest question for him would be in my mind is the fact that
01:03:52
on Valentine's Day uh Becky had a boyfriend spend the night and so there is a scene of the person the prowler is
01:04:04
seen um on video and Tim says that's not him but later that morning after that he
01:04:13
is looking up the VIN number and the um license tag of the car that's sitting in
01:04:19
her driveway and so that's very damning evidence because how did he know that car was in if he wasn't that person
01:04:28
right on the driveway and now he says oh I knew Becky had started dating someone
01:04:33
I knew that for months but it's the timing of those searches and the obsessiveness of the searches I mean
01:04:39
we're talking about I think 200 searches in the middle of the night right after that person is seen on that driveway
01:04:46
camera he's trying to find the owner of you know who owns this car with this license plate number and this VIN number
01:04:52
he's calling the Department of Revenue in the middle of the middle of the night yeah it doesn't but that's what he would
01:04:58
have been asked by prosecution that that would have been that's what I really wanted to ask him so I think that was a
01:05:06
big reason why he couldn't have taken this how can you explain it it just the how many times he tried to do the
01:05:12
research tells you something about Tim that we just had not seen in the interview or saw at all in the courtroom
01:05:20
was it just the VIN number he looked up other phrases too right oh well you're talking about all the searches oh my
01:05:26
gosh I mean that that also was very incriminating so they found a number of searches um on his phone and now we
01:05:37
don't know and I'm not quite sure why they couldn't tell when he made these searches but they couldn't say when but
01:05:44
they were things like how do you wash gunpowder off your hands that's pretty typical Google search no um but also the
01:05:52
fact that she was shot um you know so that with a 9mm um you know can use a crowbar to get
01:06:00
into your house um you know there were a number of incriminating SE how does the
01:06:05
defense explain that well the defense points us to the fact that they can't say when those searches were made so
01:06:14
they could have been made after the murder maybe he was trying to understand what had happened he was doing research
01:06:20
that's what the defense says but you know there was even more searches than we were able to mention in the episode
01:06:26
another one that comes to mind was average Quincy Police Department response time what there was a lot of
01:06:33
searches that and the one that I thought was really the most interesting because
01:06:38
it was new for me was um how to make a homemade silencer for a gun oh my gosh you know who I mean I look people have
01:06:46
guns but why the silencer and the idea that um you know there were those little bits of plastic that uh were found
01:06:56
around her and they were trying to figure out what were those little pieces of plastic and now they believe that um
01:07:02
whoever killed uh Becky and they believe it was Tim was either using it as a silencer these plastic bags around or
01:07:11
some way to collect the casings which clearly they did not work CU there were casings left at the crime scene oh and
01:07:18
another thing he had searched for was does my whoop record the times I wear it there you have it but now that that
01:07:26
could be anything Stephanie just saying just saying um so your team was actually
01:07:32
at the trial um you guys were there I'm really curious about the mood in the courtroom um Stephanie I know you were
01:07:39
there for a lot of it right I mean this is really a family torn apart and of course Becky's family was there in the
01:07:46
courtroom each day and Tim's family was there during the trial as well his mother his father his two brothers were
01:07:53
there and I got the sense that this was the first time they were hearing all the evidence and they're
01:08:00
trying to comprehend it all as it's being presented in court and what this means and you know it was heartbreaking
01:08:08
because you're really just thinking about Becky and Tim's three kids during all of this too they've lost their
01:08:14
mother and now they're potentially losing their father too the juror said something and we see it every time we
01:08:22
cover these trials so you have this couple and their families came together for a marriage and then at this trial
01:08:30
it's a little like the same thing you have the bride's family on one side and the husband's family on the other but
01:08:38
this time now it's the state the prosecution and the defense and that's really heartbreaking and nobody ever
01:08:45
shares sides they're always sitting on opposite sides of the courtroom and that strikes me it it never seems old to me
01:08:54
it strikes me a new every time I see it and it struck the juror that we talk to as well mhm Tim was found guilty of
01:09:01
first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole without without the possibility of parole but I
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want to talk about Becky's sister's um impact statement she delivered this directly to Tim before uh he was
01:09:16
sentenced you actually this interview to remind people that you were able to do Aaron happened before he was sentenced
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found guilty but had not been sentenced so this is sort of fast forwarding in time and she's able to speak to him
01:09:29
directly I want to play some of that sound your children's future will be forever impacted by your
01:09:35
crime they're already suffering maybe you should have Googled childhood PTSD in between your internet searches
01:09:43
for homemade silencers and Bin numbers I'm really curious Stephanie about what it was like to be in the courtroom when
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she was delivering this statement it was very emotional and many family members of Becky
01:09:56
actually gave Victim Impact statements that day her mom spoke her aunts and cousins her brother-in-law and there's
01:10:04
something that Becky's brother-in-law said while he was on the stand giving his impact statement that really stuck
01:10:10
out to me he said to Tim and he was looking directly at him you rode on that bike that night towards all of us and it
01:10:18
just really put in perspective the amount of victims in this case you know everyone who knew and and loved Becky
01:10:26
has been impacted by this and I think that that's really what they were trying to get across in the impact statements
01:10:32
and I was just really struck by how forcefully they all spoke and Becky's brother-in-law and sister in particular
01:10:39
looked directly at Tim the entire time and when Becky's sister actually walked off the stand she stared directly at
01:10:47
Tim's parents and his parents were sitting behind me his mom I think had sunglasses on so it was hard to tell
01:10:54
what their reaction was but it was certainly a tense moment in the courtroom any final words on this
01:11:00
episode in this case if this case has gotten uh natural attention because of Tim's answer on Family Feud that to go
01:11:11
beyond the humor of that and to recognize how serious there's a real serious message with a case like this um
01:11:20
about hidden abuse and be sister is fully aware that the reason why this case got the
01:11:29
attention that it did is because of Family Feud but she's made the decision to use that to their advantage they have
01:11:35
this platform and they want people to learn from Becky's story you know one of the things that Sarah told us in our
01:11:42
interview with her is that you know she's just hoping that in the future if anybody that's in a position like
01:11:48
Becky she wants them to be able to find a way to make themselves safe and you know whether that's having a working
01:11:55
alarm system or you know telling people repeatedly like Becky did but making sure that the person you're scared of
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knows that you've told those people stay with someone else don't be alone don't let there be an opportunity for
01:12:08
something like this to happen yeah yeah that's a really good message this is a case where what you see on the surface
01:12:15
is not necessarily what's happening but you know beneath the surface um in that she doesn't come off as an abused woman
01:12:25
um he doesn't come off as an abuser um there were no bruises that I was aware of or talk of physical um physical abuse
01:12:35
and we have this sense that in order for something a situation to get to the point where someone is killed there must
01:12:42
be an escalation it must go from arguing toxic physically violent before we get to murder doesn't necessarily have to be
01:12:52
the case you can have abuse without bru that's what the prosecution said yeah but I should point out as we're you know
01:13:00
coming to an end on this that this may not be the end of the case um Tim made it very clear to us in the interview
01:13:07
that he is appealing this case and um I have run into this in the past remember what Stephanie had said that there were
01:13:16
eight Witnesses who at trial who talked about the fact that she had either texted or told them that she feared that
01:13:25
Tim was going to hurt her well the problem is Becky is dead and Tim could not confront the accuser and in some
01:13:35
cases in Wisconsin I've covered another case the trial was overturned because the judge allowed in that testimony
01:13:44
because this is is this haay would that be the judge did not view it as hearsay but it depends if he appeals so if if it
01:13:55
doesn't end I mean they he is appealing this case and it's based um in part on the fact that the judge allowed in these
01:14:04
witnesses to talk about what Becky said when Becky wasn't there to explain really fascinating so this may
01:14:13
not be the end of this be sure now to join us next Tuesday for another postmortem and if you're
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01:14:53
uh we'd like to take a moment to remember longtime 48 Hours colleague John yakobian he died this week John was
01:15:00
the director of global news syndication and had an almost encyclopedic memory of
01:15:06
every 48 Hours episode ever made uh John was also one of the nicest guys in The Newsroom and will be forever known for
01:15:14
his good heart and his quiet kindness and he certainly will be missed by the 48 Hours family thank you John