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I think we have to fight hard for our loved ones and we have to listen to them and be cautious about the people that we
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allow into our lives. lives. I wish so much that I would have fought harder for mom.
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I'm an only child of Kim Langwell. She made me her whole world. She was my best friend.
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In July of 1999, I was a normal 15-year-old teenager. Everything seemed pretty perfect in life.
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>> July 9th. What are your plans for that night? >> We were going to go out to eat. She
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called me after work just to make sure that I was on track, you know, ready for for dinner that night. And then I can't
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get a hold of her. I immediately start texting her 911. She just never called. And all I could think about was maybe
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there's something, you know, that that she's just not telling me. And you just keep thinking, she was just there. She
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was just on the phone. What do I do? I woke up to my phone ringing and it was Ken Weatherford, my mom's boyfriend.
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Hey, did your mom come home? And I said, "No, she's not here." And he said, "Well, Tiffany, I didn't tell you last
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night. I was looking for and I saw her car. I I think you need to call somebody. I think something's wrong.
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>> So, detective, where was her car? Her car was parked right about where I'm parked now.
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>> You're looking for physical evidence. We were looking for blood. We were looking
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for a body, looking for a crime scene, and and we had none of that. She just disappeared.
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>> I think for the first year, I kept it together. And then after that it just falls apart. The person that you depend
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on for everything is now gone. In the spring of 2023, my supervisors filled me in on reopening the
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investigation. Our overall goal was just to get answers for the family. We definitely got the feeling that people
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were not being completely honest in their statements that they had provided back in 1999.
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>> She had a social life and she interacted with a lot of people. >> This man was writing her love letters.
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>> There is a stack an inch and a half thick. This is a lot of love letters. >> It's it's a lot. Kim, I have developed
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this terribly strong crush on you. Something must be done about it. We're seeing obsessive behavior here.
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We didn't want to get tunnel vision. Do we have any named suspects in this file?
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>> You know, some cases rely on the physical evidence. There's DNA. There's a body. This doesn't exist. We cannot
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find Kimberly. >> We called Tim Miller. He's the founder of Texas Equa Search. They actually
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specialize in looking for missing people. >> Doesn't matter when we get that phone
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call. We're there to help the family, help law enforcement. We took a chance and it was a good choice.
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This house is where we found the most disturbing scene. Something I've never seen or heard of in my law enforcement
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career. This case, even after I retired, this case has haunted me because I couldn't find her.
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I felt like I had failed. And you felt that you failed the family? Yes. And her.
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>> It has been more than two decades since 34year-old Kim Langwell disappeared. And
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former Bulmont, Texas detective Joe Ball still reles those early days of the investigation over and over again.
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On July 10th, 1999, a day after Kim Langwell failed to arrive home, Detective Ball was summoned to a strip
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mall parking lot in front of an Eert pharmacy. >> My mom's car is there and nobody's
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checked it out. We need to see what's in the car. >> Kim's daughter, Tiffany McInness, who
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was just 15 at the time, and Kim's sister, Susan Buts, had already arrived at the scene. When you looked through
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the window, what did you see in the car? >> I saw her briefcase and a phone. >> No purse, no wallet, no keys.
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>> No. No. Yeah. The purse was not in there. The car was locked. >> No keys inside.
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>> Mm-m. Nothing. It just looked like somebody walked away. >> This is where Kim's vehicle was.
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>> This is where Kim's vehicle was parked. >> And what did that suggest to you? >> It suggested to me that she either met
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someone here and left with them or that she had been kidnapped out of this parking lot. But no one could recall
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seeing anyone get in or out of Kim's car. >> I do know that they said to me, "Maybe
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she's just went off. Maybe she just had started a new life and left her child." No, she didn't. She didn't do that.
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>> Esther Randall was like a second mom to Kim, who called her Mimi. >> I thought of her as my own. We adored
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her. She was easy to love. She was fun. She was an amazing mom. She had me at a very young age, but she treated me like
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I was everything. >> Hi, Mommy. >> It became clear to Detective Ball that Kim would never abandon her only child.
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>> I was pretty sure that something had happened to her. >> So, he focused on those who were closest
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to Kim. Starting with Kim's boyfriend, Ken Weatherford. He was the one who discovered her abandoned car in the
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parking lot the evening she disappeared. >> He seemed like a really nice guy. He
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cared about my mom. He cared about me. >> Kim and Ken had met at the mobile chemical plant where they both worked.
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They had been dating for just 6 months. Weeks before Kim disappeared. They took a trip to Cosml, Mexico.
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>> She had a great time and she had a tan and it was fun. Did you sense they were
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both in love? >> Yes. She was like, "I'm happy, Mimi." >> However, Detective Ball says he was
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suspicious of Weatherford, mostly because of what he didn't do the night Kim disappeared.
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>> He saw her car in the parking lot, but he did nothing. He didn't tell anybody.
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He He waited until the next day before he told anybody that he knew where Kim's car was.
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>> And did you think to yourself, "This man may be hiding something from me?" I suspect everybody. Everybody's a
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suspect. >> And that included co-workers and former bosses like Frank McCormack. This is an
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ID photo taken of him decades later. >> Frank McCormack was uh a supervisor out in Mobile and he worked in the same
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building as my mom. >> Tiffany says McCormack, who was married, often came around their house and left
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Kim presents like chocolates from Paris. >> He had daughter. He talked about her big
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blue eyes and how sweet she was. And then it went from that to a little darker. >> McCormack began sending Kim love
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letters, dozens of them. He also sent disturbing photo collages. These are grainy copies that were given
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to 48 hours by investigators. >> Pictures of all kinds of women with Kim's face on the bodies.
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Esther said that Kim was upset about McCormack's bizarre behavior, but she didn't report him for fear of
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retribution. >> Kim was nice to everybody, but I think he just thought because she was nice to
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him that she liked him. >> Detectives say despite McCormack's obsessive behavior, he had an alibi.
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Around the time Kim disappeared, he told investigators he was at a grocery store
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to buy some chips for a poker game and he had the receipt to prove it. >> We looked at him, we talked to him and
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uh and we were able to rule him out as the suspect. >> But authorities had someone else on
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their radar, Terry Rose, Kim's ex-boyfriend. Kim and Terry dated and lived together for about 6 years. After
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they broke up, the two stayed in contact. >> I do know that she kept a friendly relationship. He would help her do
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things. >> In fact, the night Kim disappeared, Kim had stopped by Terry Rose's house on the
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way home from work. >> He was doing something in the house and needed help hanging some boards, which I
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thought was strange. Just 2 days after Kim's disappearance, Terry Rose willingly came into the police station
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and provided a statement. Terry said on the evening she disappeared, Kim arrived
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about 5:10 or 5:15 p.m. and was at his house for just a short time before leaving to meet Tiffany. Terry claimed
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he had not heard from her since. >> I felt like Terry was not being completely truthful with us. It was the
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tone of the whole interview and how vague he was about uh about details. >> Yet Terry Rose was cooperative. He
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allowed police to search in and around his house. >> We went into every room in that house.
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It was just a a very junky house. There was stuff everywhere. Made it very difficult to to conduct a search.
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>> Ball says there were no signs of Kim at the house and no evidence that any violence had taken place there.
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But he had Terry take a polygraph test and he failed. >> At that point, I was I was pretty
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focused on Terry. I was pretty sure that he was lying, but I didn't have any evidence to confront
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him with. >> If not even the authorities can do something to find my mom, who's going to
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help us? Once mom was gone for a little while, you know, you come to realize that, hey,
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she's not going to come back. >> Tiffany McInnness endured the typical teenage growing pains under the shadow
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of her mother's missing person investigation. I got to a point of just complete denial. You just don't want to
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look anymore. Aunt Susan did a really good job keeping it going. She did searches and stuff
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like that. >> Like investigators, Susan says she became more and more convinced who was
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responsible. >> It just always ended up right back at Terry. >> Esther says Kim had shared her fear of
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Terry Rose well before her disappearance. I'm afraid he's going to kill me. If I leave, he's going to kill
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me. >> Kim had described Terry's obsessive and possessive behavior during their six-year relationship, says Esther,
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which she sometimes witnessed firsthand. >> She came to my house, my phone ring the
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entire time she was there. When are you coming? Are you still there? Is she still there?
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>> Controlling. >> Controlling. Unbelievably controlling. Esther says Kim told her that at times
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that need for control boiled over into violence. And what are some of those things he did to her?
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>> Strangled her. He threw her on a bed and strangled her till she couldn't breathe anymore. And
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then she woke up and he was gone. >> Tiffany believes her mother shielded her from witnessing any abuse, but says she
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did experience Terry Rose's obsession firsthand after the relationship finally ended. He would call the house at all
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times during the day, night, if mom wasn't home. He questioned me, you know, where is she at? Where has she been?
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When do you expect her home? We had found him lurking outside the house. >> But that all stopped abruptly once Kim
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was gone. >> Was Terry concerned about your sister? >> No, not at all. >> Did he help look for her?
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>> No, never. In 2001, 2 years after Kim's disappearance, the FBI assisted by interviewing Terry Rose. He admitted to
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one physical confrontation with Kim, where he slapped her in the face. And he acknowledged that he had no alibi for
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the crucial hours from approximately 5:30 p.m. on the day Kim went missing until he met up with a friend that
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evening. He called uh his friend uh David Wy and they shot pool from about 9:30 until probably midnight or a little
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after. But after I talked to David Wy, I was even more suspicious because I was pretty sure David Wy was lying to me,
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too. >> But investigators still lacked any physical evidence of an actual crime,
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and the case went cold. Decades passed until 2023 when the TV program Cold Justice chose to investigate the
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unsolved case and the Bowmont PD appointed detectives to work alongside them. >> When I got signed the case, we set the
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the bar pretty low. >> Detective Heather Wilson became the lead investigator, working alongside
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Lieutenant Mitch Sligger and Detective Jesus Tamayo. They began by looking at all the original suspects once again,
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like Kim's last boyfriend, Ken Weatherford. >> We had already narrowed down the time
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frame when we believed something happened to Kim. >> Weatherford declined an interview with
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48 hours. He was actually with Tiffany around the time Kim went missing. So, investigators ruled him out.
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>> We also looked into a former boss of Kim's named Frank McCormack. that boss who had sent Kim all those disturbing
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love letters and images. >> You have to ask yourself, how far was he wanting to go to get her attention?
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>> Cuz obsession can lead to something dangerous. >> Absolutely. >> Frank McCormack declined an interview
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with 48 hours, but he did speak to investigators. Detective Wilson confronted him with a stack of those
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letters. >> Those bringing back some memories for you. It's been a long time. It's
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as I sit here, it's hard for me to believe I wrote this, but obviously it's my handwriting.
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>> Regardless of what he said he remembered, McCormack still had that alibi documented by the grocery store
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receipt from around the time Kim disappeared. >> So ultimately, we felt like Frank was
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not relevant to this case. >> Who became your top suspects in the disappearance of Kim?
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>> Our top suspect was Terry Rose. He's showing all the typical behaviors of someone who is abusive. He just
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couldn't couldn't let go. >> But when approached more than two decades later, Terry Rose, now 66 years
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old, was still adamant he had nothing to do with Kim Langwell's disappearance. >> What's your theory on what happened to
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her? What do you think? >> I don't really know. Once we broke it off, I figured just leave her alone. And
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so we're trying to find his inner circle. So we wanted to find these people that were close to Terry.
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>> One of those people was David Wy who Terry Rose played pool with the night Kim went missing.
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>> We could feel that David was the weakest link. >> Mr. David. >> Yes, sir. >> Good morning. Detective Jesus Tamayo
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showed up at David Wley's door in 2023 and interviewed him in his patrol vehicle.
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>> Knowing Terry like he knew Terry. Did he have anything to do with Kimberly? >> I don't think so.
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>> Not at all. And I just don't think he's that type of person. >> Investigators were convinced Wy wasn't
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telling them everything he knew. So, in April of 2024, the DA convened a grand jury where Terry Rose and David Wy would
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have to testify under oath. Rose stuck to his original story, but Wy, while also consistent, seemed uneasy.
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>> He was very nervous. He seemed very uncomfortable. >> So, we decided to call David Wy and see
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if he would just be willing to come in and take a polygraph test. He immediately was like, "You're going
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to need to contact my attorney." And and ended the phone call. So, we knew at that point that we were on to something.
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>> That hunch was confirmed when Wley's attorney called back. >> He does have information for y'all
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that's going to help you find her. How are you doing today? Good. >> How you doing? Doing great.
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>> In April 2024, more than two decades after Kim Langwell disappeared, David Wy
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was ready to talk to investigators. >> This was huge. This is what we needed. >> But only under one condition.
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>> His attorney told us he wants full immunity from any kind of prosecution. He said, "Okay, we we kind of need to
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know what we're working with here." Detectives wondered if WY could have been an accomplice.
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>> He said, "No, he didn't. He's not saying that he killed her, that he just has
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information of what happened to her." So, we're like, "We can work with that." >> With asurances of an immunity deal,
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David Wy met with investigators at his attorney's office. >> Our goal is you're going you're here to
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tell the truth. Okay. Wy told detectives that on July 9th, 1999, the day Kim disappeared, he received a call around
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6:15 p.m. from his friend and former boss, Terry Rose. >> He called me and asked me to pick him up
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at Walmart. Just said, "When you get close to the parking lot, call me." I called. He was in Kim's car. When I
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pulled up next to him, he said that he did not like that parking lot and to follow him.
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>> Did you ask him why are you in the car? >> No, I did not ask. >> So, y'all left Walmart and you followed
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him >> to Colinade, >> turned into the Colonade Shopping Center parking lot. He stopped in a spot, got out and got in
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my truck and I took him and dropped him off at his house and went back to my little
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trailer I was living in. Later that evening, Wy said he met up with Terry to play pool. The two then
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had breakfast the next morning. Wy was foggy on the timing, but says Terry out of the blue told him a horrific story
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about what had happened to Kim. >> He told me that they she was at his house and I guess they argued and then
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he shot her. And then after that, did he say what did he do with the body? >> He told me
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that he put her under the slab in one of the bedrooms. >> One of the bedrooms. And did he say
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which one? >> No, he did not say which one. >> We couldn't quite comprehend. She's
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under the slab in a bedroom in his house. Days later, David Wy was given a polygraph test.
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>> Did Terry tell you he shot Kim? >> Yes. Did Terry tell you where he buried Kim?
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>> Yes. >> And passed. But before they could arrest Terry Rose, the district attorney's
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office insisted they get physical evidence that would back up Wigh's story. >> We still had a lot of work to do. We're
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going to be cracking the slab of this house. We're going to be looking under the floor as David described where she
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was. It was going to be a huge operation >> and it would take intricate and secretive planning. Detectives feared
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that if Terry Rose found out, David Wley's life could be in danger. They were also concerned about the safety of
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Terry's common law wife, Violet. >> What is his mindset? If this man is really the narcissist psychopath we
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believe him to be, will Violet's life be in danger, too? So, they devised a ruse. On June 10th,
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2024, Terry Rose and Violet were called to the police station to discuss another
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case. Terry's father had been a victim of a homicide 5 years after Kim disappeared. After that conversation,
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the Langwell investigators stepped in. >> How you doing? All right. Good. Good. I
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can't remember. >> I'm one of the guys that uh that I was that was working on the Kimberly case.
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>> Uhhuh. >> I think he was truly caught off guard that he was called to the police station
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for one thing and now this is happening. >> It's been signed by the judge. >> As detectives Tamayo and Wilson served
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Terry Rose with the search warrant, investigators were at his house ready to begin looking for Kim Langwell. I want
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you to understand what all it entails. Um, it's going to be a thorough search of the house, possibly under the house.
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So, if there is information that you want to tell us, is Kimberly on the property?
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Is there any evidence of her murder on the property? >> Shouldn't be. >> No. >> Did you murder Kim?
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>> No. So, is there any reason why we're going to find any kind of blood or evidence or
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remains or anything like that anywhere on your property, sir? >> No. >> I don't know what you want.
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>> You want the body? >> Well, I understand this. I don't have anything to tell you.
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>> Okay. We just wanted to give you that opportunity. >> Is this mine or >> That's your Yes, sir.
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>> I think at that point he knew that his world was crashing down, but he couldn't
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stop it. Come, Violet. >> Hi. >> Detectives Wilson and Tamayo >> then went to speak to Violet.
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>> We have the search warrant to look for Kimberly Manuel all through the property.
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>> Okay. >> If there's anything that we need to know now before we begin, this is the time.
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>> I honestly can tell you I don't know anything about where she is >> or anything about that.
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>> She really wasn't worried about Terry. I don't think I think that she really thought that he had nothing to do with
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this and we weren't going to find whatever we were looking for. >> So y'all just do what you have to do.
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>> Well, if I had have known this, I would have washed the dishes. >> Oh gosh. >> Terry Rose and Violet were free to go,
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but not to their home. Police put tracking devices on Tererry's vehicles so they could monitor his movements. The
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next day, an FBI evidence response team assisted Bulmont PD investigators at Terry's house.
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>> They brought in their own equipment, ground penetrating radar. So, they started that tedious process of scanning
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all the rooms. >> By day three of the search, they scanned one of the two bedrooms in Terry Rose's
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house. But the next morning, the equipment had to be pulled. Now, there was a little bit of a scramble and a
00:25:45
panic of we need to get another GPR out here, a ground pinch radar. But Detective Wilson had a great idea and
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somebody we could call on. >> That somebody was Tim Miller, the founder of Texas Aquaarch, an
00:26:00
organization that specializes in finding missing people. >> You know, it doesn't matter when we get
00:26:06
that phone call. We're we're there to help the family, help law enforcement. Later that afternoon, Miller and his
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team got to work on the second bedroom. >> Literally within three or four minutes,
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we noticed that there's something here. There's no wire mesh. This area has been
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disturbed. And then I pounded on it just a couple times lightly. And that area was hollow.
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>> You could hear it. >> I could hear it. And it was like, she has to be here. >> Almost immediately, we start breaking
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the tile flooring that was in that bedroom. We started with a sledgehammer and once
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we made that initial break in the tile, we realized that he had stacked cinder blocks underneath the flooring. So those
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cinder blocks just immediately collapsed and there was a a a divot. Yeah. A void.
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>> So we knew this is not normal. We knew we were in the right area. >> Then Detective Tamayo made a discovery.
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I found a uh like a keychain in a pair of sunglasses. >> Not long after, they found something
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else. >> One of our ID technicians actually found three small, very small bones that we
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believe were toebones. Once we found human bones, we knew she was there and the decision was made.
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It's time to get an arrest war. On June 13th, 2024, more than two decades after Kim Langwell disappeared,
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undercover Bowmont police officers had their eyes on Terry Rose, tracking his every movement as they waited for an
00:28:08
arrest warrant for murder to be signed by a judge. And Mitch, you're being briefed on all this, right?
00:28:14
>> Yes, I'm back at the police station. >> And where is Terry? Terry is going to a
00:28:19
local restaurant here in town to have dinner with his wife. Terry Rose is walking out of the restaurant and I
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could hear the chatter. >> All right, I got eyes on. >> Is that warrant sign? We see him moving.
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He's paying his check. He's walking and then I say warrant sign. Arrest him. >> All right. I say move, boys. Feet on the
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ground. >> Hands. Hands. LET ME SEE YOUR HANDS. >> HANDS UP. HANDS UP. >> Back up. VIOLET, BACK UP. OVER HERE.
00:28:47
over here. >> Get down on the ground. >> Get her. Get her. >> His demeanor was different. It wasn't
00:28:53
the same Terry I'd seen. >> You could see the defeat on his face. I think he knew it was over.
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>> Don't hurt me. >> Terry Rose was immediately transported to the police department where
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detectives Wilson and Tomo were waiting to question him. See him right here. We do have an arrest warrant for you for
00:29:19
for the offense of murder. You don't want to talk. >> Nothing to say. What can I say?
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>> Well, there there's probably a lot to say. I mean, are you curious about what
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what we have >> found or or why you're here? >> No, you got what you want. >> His true character is being revealed in
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that moment. >> I won't be believed anyway. I don't I'm not going to waste my breath. I mean,
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I'm interested in what you have to say. I really am. I I will hear you out. >> The family, maybe.
00:29:51
>> Do you have anything to say to to Kim's family? >> No. >> Detectives then brought Terry Rose's
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wife, Violet, along with her brother and sister-in-law into the interrogation room.
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>> I was going to ask the obvious question. >> I was I was going to say we're here
00:30:09
because >> Yes. >> You found him. >> Yes. May I ask where? >> Uh, >> under one of the bedrooms.
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>> Violet sleeping. >> It's okay, Violet. Violet, it's okay. Hey, Violet. Violet again.
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You didn't know it. You trusted him. Okay. >> It's okay, Violet. It's okay. >> I understand, Violet. I understand.
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>> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> You're going to get through this. You're going to get through this.
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>> Mhm. You got my >> Okay. >> I'm sorry. >> Don't be Don't be sorry. >> Well, that's a shock.
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>> Do you believe that Violet knew nothing about the fact that her husband murdered
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this woman and buried her under the floor of the house? >> I believe that she did not know any of
00:31:02
that. I don't think she ever speculated that he was actually involved. Violet declined our request for an interview.
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Now in custody, Terry Rose headed to jail facing a murder charge. >> And we watched him walk down the stairs
00:31:19
and handcuffs, you know, with police escorting him to the police car and then, you know, stared him down, gave
00:31:27
him the looks that he deserved as he, you know, had to drive right past us to go to prison.
00:31:39
And your eyes were sending a message, right? >> Absolutely. >> And that message was,
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>> "We got you. I finally have her back. Not the way I want her, but he's he's finally going to pay for what he did."
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>> Did you do it? >> Did you? >> Back at the Rose property, investigators continued to dig into the early morning
00:32:03
hours. to make sure they recovered all of the remains. >> So the whole excavation process took
00:32:10
about 13 hours. So we were there through the night. We found her completely skeletonized. She had been wrapped in a
00:32:16
blanket. So luckily she was all there. We found all of her. And there was also a very obvious gunshot wound to the back
00:32:24
of her head. >> Is there an emotional component for you at this moment? >> It is. It's very, it's kind of hard to
00:32:31
describe the room, but it was very quiet and we all knew that this was a grave site somewhere that she had been buried
00:32:38
and imprisoned for years. And um it was a great moment knowing that we're finally getting her out of this house to
00:32:46
bring her home to her family. come back. >> Weeks later, the results from DNA testing and dental records verified what
00:32:54
everyone already knew, that the remains were in fact Kim. We were very excited about going to
00:33:06
trial on this case. >> Jefferson County Prosecutor Luke Nichols was also confident
00:33:12
>> they found a murder victim's body under a man's floor. Uh, so as far as proving
00:33:16
it, it was a great case, strong case. >> Nicholls was ready to share with jurors
00:33:21
his theory of what happened to Kim Langwell the evening she was murdered. >> Something that Kim said or did brought
00:33:28
home to Terry Rose that he lost, that he lost her, that she was moving on with her life. She had a new boyfriend that
00:33:34
she was getting serious with. She did not need him anymore. And that set him off. I think once he killed her and made
00:33:42
the decision to put her body under his floor, it was just a sick, twisted way of maintaining physical control over her
00:33:48
body. >> Harry Rose, you're being charged with the murder of Kimberly Lang. >> But just a week before the trial was to
00:33:55
begin, Rose's defense attorney approached Nicholls about a plea deal. Nicholls offered a maximum sentence of
00:34:03
40 years without the ability to appeal in exchange for a guilty plea from Terry Rose.
00:34:10
>> With a guilty plea, he's admitting guilt for the first time since this happened.
00:34:15
More importantly, we can't promise that a jury of 12 people is going to always get it right.
00:34:22
>> When presented with the deal, Tiffany and Susan had mixed feelings. >> I wasn't happy, you know, at first. What
00:34:30
I had to think about is the fact that we have lived and breathed this situation for 25 years. And if I can walk away
00:34:39
from this courtroom and I don't have to come back for any kind of appeals, that's a good day.
00:34:46
>> Rose's attorney agreed to the terms. Now, prosecutor Nichols would have to persuade the judge to give Terry Rose
00:34:54
the maximum 40-year sentence. We had this horrible story of what he had done to this family and I thought it
00:35:01
was important to get all that out there. >> Nicholls would present crucial evidence
00:35:04
at the sentencing hearing, including testimony from his star witness, David Wy. >> What I told him was, "This is your
00:35:12
chance to make it as right as you can at this point. You can't go back 25 years and start telling the truth, but you can
00:35:18
start now." State calls David Wy. I'm anxious. I'm nervous to have to look at him. So, a lot of nerves going in to
00:35:47
that that moment. That moment, over a quarter of a century in the making, came in December of 2025
00:35:57
when Tiffany McInness, flanked by supporters, faced her mother's killer in a courtroom.
00:36:08
>> All right. >> The terms of the plea deal were he would get anything up to 40 years. At his age,
00:36:14
40 years is a life sentence. And my goal from the get-go is to make sure he never
00:36:17
breathed one more breath of free air. >> Prosecutor Nichols called David Wy to the stand.
00:36:23
>> You swear or affirm the testimony you're going to give in this hearing will be
00:36:26
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Yes, I do. >> Who recounted Terry Rose's confession to
00:36:31
him back in 1999? >> Did you give you any detail as to how that happened or where he shot her?
00:36:38
>> Only thing you told me was the back of the head. >> That he shot Kim in the back of the
00:36:41
head. >> Correct. Now, the police asked you about this in 1999, didn't they? >> Yes, they did.
00:36:46
>> And did you tell them the truth about what had happened and what Terry had said?
00:36:49
>> No, I did not. >> And so, you kept your mouth shut, didn't he? >> I did. >> You kept Terry's secret?
00:36:54
>> I did. >> Wy said he now regrets guarding that secret, which caused so much needless
00:37:00
heartache and despair. >> 25 years after it happened, what made you come forward?
00:37:06
>> I didn't want to live it any longer. Tired of it being on my conscience. Is there something you want to say to
00:37:12
Tiffany McGuinness and her family? >> I wish I'd have came forward right when it happened.
00:37:18
>> What was it like to listen to Wy on the stand? >> Frustrating. It's frustrating that here
00:37:25
we spent all this time trying to figure out what the hell happened and you had an answer
00:37:32
right in your back pocket. >> So, Tiffany, um I'm sorry you have to be here. Me, too.
00:37:40
>> Tiffany was called to testify. >> And once I'm on the stand, all I can think about is do not stare at him
00:37:46
because I don't know if I'll be able to talk. >> She described those agonizing years not
00:37:51
knowing where her mother was or what had happened to her. >> My mom is the person that I go to for
00:37:57
everything. So, um, lost, very lost. >> Tiffany recalled her devastation on learning her mother's fate all those
00:38:07
years later. I just screamed and pulled over my car >> and then expressed her hope for Terry
00:38:14
Rose's punishment. >> I would like him sentenced to at least 40 years. I think he deserves that.
00:38:21
>> And you and I've spoken. There's not a number that really makes this right, isn't it?
00:38:26
>> No, there never will be. >> The judge also heard from Terry Rose himself. This is a prepaid call from
00:38:35
>> Terry Road >> via a recorded jail call with his son. At one point, Terry Rose callously
00:38:42
described his frame of mind when he killed Kim Langwell. >> Uh, you know, I'm not like a psychopath,
00:38:50
sociopath, crazy ass, you know, I'm not none of that. I'm just I had a bad day. I dealt with it wrong. I up and I'm got
00:38:57
to deal with it. Then the two coldly discussed what they wished for Tiffany. >> She's in her 40s. People die in their
00:39:05
40s and 50s all the time. >> That'd be sweet. >> I mean, >> yeah, that'd be sweet. I I will pee in a
00:39:12
cup, send it to y'all to pour on her grave. >> I will mail you a cup of my and you can
00:39:20
pour it on her grave. And to say that about the daughter of a woman you killed is just horrific.
00:39:31
The fact on that phone call that you said you're not a psychopath. Who isn't a psychopath that kills someone that
00:39:39
they once cared about and buries them in their house and lives on top of them for
00:39:44
25 years. I would think that's the definition in Webster's dictionary of a psychopath.
00:39:49
>> Now, Judge West handed down her sentence. >> And Tiffany's right. 40 years isn't
00:39:55
enough. There is a part of me that wishes I had not accepted this plea agreement and that we had gone to trial
00:40:00
last week because I do think a jury would have given you life for 99 years. I actually do. I'm going to sentence you
00:40:07
to a term of 40 years in the institutional division of the Texas Department of Corrections.
00:40:13
>> And Tiffany got the final word. >> Milestones that should have been shared with my mom. My 16th birthday, my 18th
00:40:23
birthday, my high school graduation have all been shadowed by her absence. >> It wasn't until we got to my victim's
00:40:32
statement that I really stared at him and I wanted him to hear my words because I meant every single one. You
00:40:39
refer to the day you murdered my mother and buried her beneath your bedroom as a
00:40:43
bad day. That bad day cost me everything. If he's watching, do you have anything
00:40:49
to say to Terry Rose? >> I don't think I have anything left to say to him. I hope he rots in jail.
00:41:04
>> When you think about your mom now, what do you think about? >> Um, I try to remember all the good times
00:41:13
with mom more than anything. the good memories, her humor. My mom was so strong and she deserves us talking
00:41:23
about her and keeping her alive in that way. >> How she lived as opposed to how she
00:41:28
died. >> Absolutely. Yeah. Welcome to Postmortem. I'm your host Ann Marie Green, 48 Hours correspondent. And
00:42:10
today we are discussing the case of Kim Langwell, who went missing on July 9th, 1999 in Texas. Her daughter, Tiffany
00:42:18
McKinnus, was just 15 years old at the time and then spent over two decades wondering what happened to her mother.
00:42:26
And then in 2024, investigators found Kim's body buried under the floor of her ex-boyfriend's house, who was still
00:42:35
living there all those years later. So with me now to discuss his report is 48 hours correspondent Peter Vans. Peter,
00:42:42
welcome. This is quite a case. >> Yes. And uh great to be with you again, Anmarie. I've covered a lot of cases in
00:42:50
which people have disposed of their victims in, shall I say, unique ways. burning, sinking, burying, dismembering,
00:42:57
and scattering, even leaving them out for animals to consume. But never have I covered one where a victim is buried
00:43:05
under the floorboards in the killer's house. It's just mindboggling when you really put this together. And as we hear
00:43:12
from the judge, what she had to say in this hour, this killer was a real psychopath. Mhm. A quick reminder to
00:43:21
everyone, if you haven't actually watched this episode yet, uh, or listened to it, it's called Kimberly
00:43:26
Langwell's Hidden Grave. Go check it out and then come on back for this conversation. All right. So, when Kim
00:43:34
Langwell first disappeared, investigators considered a few possible suspects, including her then boyfriend,
00:43:40
Ken Weatherford, and Kim's former boss, Frank McCormack, who police discovered would send her love letters, leave
00:43:48
presents at her home. And then Frank's behavior became sort of even more suspicious when they discovered these
00:43:54
disturbing photo collages he sent him of women, other women's bodies, but with her face on it. Can you just explain
00:44:03
more about how Ken and Frank were then eventually ruled out in this investigation?
00:44:08
>> I know, and both of them sound like persons of interest. Often the spouse or the romantic partner, as our viewers
00:44:14
well know, is where police first start their investigation. But Ken Weatherford had a solid alibi. He was with Kim's
00:44:21
daughter, Tiffany, during the time frame that her mother went missing. Frank McCormick's behavior upset Kim, but
00:44:30
Frank willingly provided a statement. Around the time Kim disappeared, he told investigators he was at a grocery store
00:44:37
to buy some chips for a poker game and he had the receipt to prove it. So investigators determined he had an alibi
00:44:45
at the time and we reached out, by the way, for an interview with Frank McCormack, but he declined.
00:44:53
>> Okay. So then the original investigators move on and they look into Kim's ex-boyfriend, Terry Rose. He admits that
00:45:02
he saw her on the evening that she disappeared and hadn't heard from her after that, obviously. But investigators
00:45:08
found Terry Rose vague. He failed a polygraph test. He becomes the prime suspect at this time.
00:45:15
>> Well, Detective Ball was pretty certain that Terry Rose was lying. And if someone's lying to an investigator, you
00:45:21
know, that sets off the alarm. >> But he didn't have any real evidence yet to confront him with. And people always
00:45:26
have to remember they can't arrest on a feeling. They need evidence. >> And Rose did come willingly to the
00:45:32
police station and he provided a statement. Rose said that on the evening she disappeared. Kim arrived around 5:10
00:45:39
or 5:15 p.m. and was at his house for just a short time, he said, before leaving to go meet her daughter,
00:45:47
Tiffany. Detective Ball thought he was being cooperative, allowing police to search in and around his house.
00:45:53
Murderers don't do that, right? They don't say, "Hey, come on over. Look around. Do anything you want." So
00:45:59
investigators said that there was lots of junk inside that house everywhere, but no evidence of Kim or that any
00:46:06
violence had occurred inside that house. >> And what a little bit more on Rose, he
00:46:11
is perplexing because he didn't have a criminal record and still to this day has never had any other criminal record
00:46:19
through the years. This is his one and only. But here's the thing. Like Kim's family and her friends, they, you know,
00:46:27
were suspicious of him. Kim's friend Esther said that Rose was violent, that he was controlling, that Kim even told
00:46:33
Esther that she was afraid that if she tried to leave, he would kill her. What was Rose's behavior like after Kim
00:46:42
disappeared? >> Well, Tiffany witnessed um Tererry's obsessive behavior after the
00:46:49
relationship ended. He would call the house at all times of the day and night. He would lurk around outside and he
00:46:56
questioned Tiffany on Kim's whereabouts. I mean, this was really creepy. And all
00:47:01
of that stopped when Kim went missing. Isn't that interesting? And according to Kim's sister, Susan, he put up those
00:47:09
billboards around town, you know, asking for help in finding her. But the family
00:47:14
felt it wasn't in a genuine effort to to find her. Perhaps it was just performative, a manipulation perhaps to
00:47:21
show police that he was concerned to find her. >> Um, you know, Tiffany is just 15. I have
00:47:27
a daughter in that age range. This is the time when you are be growing into from a child really to a young woman.
00:47:35
There's no good time obviously to lose your mother, but 15 is particularly crucial. these billboards. It must have
00:47:44
been kind of torturous emotionally for Tiffany. >> That's the word. It was torturous for
00:47:50
her to go out and there out in the public a giant billboard with your mother's picture on it.
00:47:56
>> It was traumatic. And how she made it through all of that to this wonderful woman that we know today is um is a such
00:48:04
an accomplishment. She she went through hell. >> So, you know, Rose is out there putting
00:48:08
up these billboards. Did he actually reach out to Tiffany? I don't I don't know. Did he try to console her?
00:48:14
>> Not at all. And in fact, she told us about a disturbing interaction she had with Rose at a Jack in the Box
00:48:20
restaurant um a few years after her mother's disappearance. Let's listen to uh a conversation we had about that. At
00:48:29
18 years old, I remember walking into a Jack in the Box to get some food and I have somebody standing behind me and I
00:48:37
go to turn around and Terry Rose is in my face. He's standing right in front of me and it just shocked me. I I thought,
00:48:45
"Oh my god." And he looks directly at me and he says, "You remember me?" And I said, "Do I remember you?" "Yeah,
00:48:56
yeah, I remember you. And he said, "Have you seen your mom lately?" >> Uh, no. >> And my mouth just dropped open. I was so
00:49:06
scared and I wanted to be strong. And I just remember looking at him and I said,
00:49:13
"Yeah, I see her in my dreams." It was so odd to ask me if I remembered him just three years after I lost my mom.
00:49:24
and I'd lived in this man's house for five years. >> Tiffany said she felt like he was
00:49:29
taunting her >> knowing the entire time >> that he had her mother's remains. >> So awful. Um, so here we are with this
00:49:40
case though. Back then there's no physical evidence. So the case goes cold and it's decades later when Bowmont
00:49:48
police decide that they want to reinvestigate. But I wonder why. Why did they think that this was a case worth
00:49:54
taking a second look at? >> The TV program Cold Justice reached out to the department asking about unsolved
00:50:00
cases that that they might feature on their show. And then Bumont PD suggested Kim's case. Cole Justice chose to
00:50:08
investigate and the Bowont PD appointed detectives to work alongside them and reinter old suspects and that was key.
00:50:18
So then we have a new team led by new detective, Detective Heather Wilson. They have fresh eyes. They take a closer
00:50:25
look at Terry Rose. It's 2023 now. He is 66 years old. His health isn't the best.
00:50:34
What story does he tell police all these years later about what happened? >> Just kind of rewinding the tape. Police
00:50:40
approached him in 2023 and Rose was still adamant he had nothing to do with Kim's disappearance. Investigators did
00:50:47
interview him again in 2024. Our team watched that interview and investigators asked Rose direct comments about Kim.
00:50:56
Yet, he had a way of constantly changing the conversation. Uh Rose was obsessed.
00:51:01
Remember, he's an old guy now. He's obsessed with his cats. He was asking cops to go feed his cats. He knew they
00:51:07
were going to visit his house with a search warrant. Uh but what was he concerned about? His kitty cats. And
00:51:14
also, you know, by this point, he doesn't look like a murderer. He looks like a grandpa.
00:51:18
>> In 2001, when the FBI assisted the police in interviewing Terry Rose, he acknowledged that he didn't have an
00:51:26
alibi for the crucial hours around 5:30. And that's when investigators believe Kim went missing. But Rose did tell them
00:51:33
that he met up with a friend, David Wy. They shot pool in that that evening from
00:51:39
around 9:30 p.m. to midnight. At the time, David cooperated his story, but after all these years, did investigators
00:51:47
believe that they could get perhaps more information out of David, more than they
00:51:52
could get out of Terry? >> Well, investigators felt that David Wy was the weakest link in that original
00:51:59
investigation. So, they decided to really put some pressure on him. >> Prosecutors convened a grand jury. You
00:52:06
if you lie, it's perjury. They both stuck to their stories. But investigators kept pressing Wy and after
00:52:13
striking an immunity deal with him. >> He spilled the beans and he agreed to take a polygraph test and he made this
00:52:21
confession. He said Rose told him that Kim was at his house. They got into an argument and then he shot her. According
00:52:30
to Wy, Rose told him that he quote put her under the slab in one of the bedrooms. So, this is a huge break in
00:52:38
the case, right? Investigators want to arrest Harry Rose, but they can't, not yet. Because the DA insist that they
00:52:45
have to get physical evidence to back up David Wley's story. Detectives are worried that if Rose finds out about
00:52:52
this, that David Wy and Rose's common law wife, Violet, could be in danger. So, they set up this really interesting
00:52:59
ruse. On June 10th, 2024, they called Terry Rose and Violet to the police station under the pretense that they
00:53:07
want to discuss his father's homicide, which had occurred 5 years after Kim's disappearance. Once they're there,
00:53:15
investigators serve Rose with a warrant. Can you talk a little bit about this bait and switch and how it worked?
00:53:20
>> Ah, very clever move. The ever obsessive Terry Rose was no longer in control and
00:53:26
investigators were at his house. while Rose talked with cops back at the station. It was brilliant.
00:53:33
>> I'm I'm curious about the technology that they use to search for the body. You don't really hear about ground
00:53:38
penetrating radar very often, >> right? But these radars work like a submarine sonar. It sends down waves
00:53:46
that bounce back and it reveals images. And the FBI was there first with their experts. Investigators knew the body was
00:53:54
under a bedroom based on what David Wy had told them. So, the FBI focused on one of the two bedrooms there, but after
00:54:02
3 days of searching, uh, the equipment had to be pulled out and they hadn't yet found anything significant.
00:54:09
>> That's where this case takes a fascinating turn because that's where a man named Tim Miller comes in. After his
00:54:16
own daughter was abducted and murdered, he formed a nonprofit called Texas Equisarch.
00:54:22
>> He has since found so many missing people through his company. >> Wow. He's it's a true labor of love what
00:54:29
he does honoring his his daughter Laura's memory and Miller believes his daughter just as a quick aside was
00:54:37
killed by a man named Clyde Edwin Hedrickk the longtime suspect in the Texas killing fields case and 48 hours
00:54:44
covered this case and in 1984 16-year-old Laura Miller was found in the same field not far from where
00:54:53
another victim had been found. Hedrickk wasn't charged or sentenced in connection to her death and recently
00:54:59
died in March 2026. >> Uh it's a shame that someone who's doing so so much good work for other families
00:55:07
can never really get the closure that you know he was seeking. All right, so let's get back to Terry Rose's house. So
00:55:14
where does the investigation go from there? >> Well, so Tim Miller looked in the other
00:55:19
bedroom that had not yet been checked. Uh, and that's where his team found the location of Kim's body in a matter of
00:55:27
minutes. >> And it's not in the show, but I interviewed the ground penetrating radar
00:55:33
operator who showed me how it worked. He put the machine down. It senses a disturbance, what they call, in the
00:55:41
space under the floor, and then Tim knocks and and and hears it. It has a hollow sound. So Kim's body was found
00:55:50
completely skeletonized and wrapped in a blanket with a gunshot wound to the back
00:55:56
of her head. Welcome back. On June 13th, 2024, this is more than two decades after Kim
00:56:05
Langwell went missing, Terry Rose was arrested for her murder. And detectives also brought Terry's wife, Violet, into
00:56:15
the interrogation room. Her reaction to finding out where Kim's body had been found was one of the most intense parts
00:56:23
of this episode. >> Absolutely. It was like uh an electrical current ran through her when she found
00:56:30
out. It was very powerful, even devastating. And Violet was working for Terry Rose around the time that Kim
00:56:37
disappeared way back then. And she knew Kim. We reached out uh to Violet for an interview, but she declined. I mean,
00:56:45
this was such a traumatic incident for her, but authorities came away feeling very comfortable that she had nothing to
00:56:52
do with this and no knowledge of it. >> I mean, it's it's more than shocking. Um, it it's sickening to think that, you
00:57:00
know, they are living in this house and this body has been decomposing for decades just below their feet.
00:57:08
>> Yeah. Just try to imagine that. He had two kids with his first wife and it was
00:57:12
the kid's bedroom. So, his children were walking around and he knew right below their feet was this corpse.
00:57:19
>> GH, >> it's so eerie. So, next thing up is the trial. But then just a week before the
00:57:26
trial is set to begin, Rose's defense attorney approached prosecutor Luke Nichols about a plea deal. So, Nicholls
00:57:33
offered a maximum sentence of 40 years without the ability to appeal in exchange for a guilty plea from Rose. I
00:57:41
mean, it's been decades now. This reckoning has been coming for a long time. I wonder how Tiffany felt about
00:57:49
not going to trial. >> Well, initially Tiffany wasn't happy about the deal. She wanted to go to
00:57:55
trial because if convicted, Rose would have faced the possibility of life in prison. But then she realized that with
00:58:04
the uncertainty of what a jury might decide, it was best to take the deal. And Tiffany understands that since Rose
00:58:11
was going to be going into prison at age 68, a 40-year sentence would put him over 100, which is why this, in her
00:58:21
mind, is a life sentence. >> Was anyone there to support Terry Rose at the sentencing?
00:58:28
>> Investigators believe that he had absolutely no supporters. >> Violet and his kids were not in the
00:58:35
courtroom. David Wy. He entered the courtroom quickly. He testified and then he quickly left. He looked very nervous
00:58:42
and paranoid in the hallway outside of the court. >> He declined our request for an
00:58:48
interview. But on the stand, he said that he had come forward because he didn't want this on his conscience
00:58:56
anymore. Easy to say now. I mean, if only he'd come forward a couple decades earlier, right?
00:59:01
>> Yes. And then prosecutors played a pretty damning recorded jail call between Terry Rose and his son who is
00:59:10
also named Terry. >> Right. Rose said um he wasn't a psychopath. He just had a bad day and he
00:59:17
dealt with it wrong. That's the way he said it. His son joked about Tiffany dying. And Terry Rose says he would pee
00:59:25
in a cup and send it to his son to pour on Tiffany's grave. That tape is being played in court. Tiffany is hearing
00:59:34
this. This is >> one last final dig. And the judge uh heard this tape and boy did she have
00:59:42
something to say. Let's take a listen. >> There's just certain things that I can't
00:59:46
even look past to not point out. who isn't a psychopath that kills someone that they
00:59:56
once cared about and buries them in their house and lives on top of them for 25 years. I would think that's the
01:00:03
definition in Webster's dictionary of a psychopath. There is a part of me that wishes I had not accepted this plea
01:00:08
agreement and that we had gone to trial last week because I do think a jury would have given you life for 99 years.
01:00:14
I actually do. >> I mean, you can understand the judge's point of view on this. Yeah, we we all
01:00:20
so admired her. Uh she really put him in his place. >> You mentioned earlier that in fact Harry
01:00:27
Rose's father was a homicide victim. Have investigators ever looked into Rose as a suspect? Because that was honestly
01:00:35
the first thing that I thought. >> Well, it's interesting. Rose's father's case is still an open homicide
01:00:41
investigation. Uh he was murdered in 2004 on his property, which by the way is right next door to his son Terry
01:00:49
Rose's house. And Rose is the one who found him dead the next morning. In 2023, Detective Wilson said they started
01:00:58
looking back into Joseph's case, the father, and found a good suspect lead to follow up on. But she also said, "We do
01:01:06
not believe Rose is involved in the murder of his father." >> Okay. At sentencing, Tiffany gave a very
01:01:14
emotional victim impact statement. We heard some of it in the show, but I want to play an extended clip of her
01:01:20
statement. >> Kimberly Langwell has been a name and a face on a missing person poster for the
01:01:26
last 25 years. But to me, she was my mother, my anchor, the center of my world. You refer to the
01:01:34
day you murdered my mother and buried her beneath your bedroom as a bad day. That bad day cost me everything.
01:01:43
It stole my childhood, my sense of safety, my trust, the future that her and I planned, and the chance for my
01:01:53
children to ever know their grandmother. You have no regard for human life. >> Held her captive even in death. What a
01:02:02
what a line that is so powerful. >> She said it all with conviction, determination, and courage. And she
01:02:09
looked directly at Rose. She wanted to make sure he was looking at her and heard every word and saw the pain on her
01:02:17
face. >> That's what I wondered, Peter. I wondered if this was empowering for her,
01:02:22
right? Because here's this guy that tried to intimidate her as a teenager. It must have just meant so much. He has
01:02:32
to sit there and listen to it and take it. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, and Marie, this
01:02:38
was her moment. She rose to the occasion. She's so strong. Um, despite not having a mother after the age of 15,
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>> of course. I mean, where does this strength come from? How does she move forward?
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>> She now goes out and and and does various speaking engagements. And when the Bumont Police Department, when they
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hire new people, uh, they present certain cases to teach them about how they operate. And Tiffany goes with
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detective Heather Wilson and she talks about her mother's case. She is moving on with her life. She has two kids. Her
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daughter is now around the age that she was when her mother disappeared. And that daughter's name is Kimber. It's a
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variation of her mother's name, Kim. And in this case, through this tragedy, they
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can finally celebrate Tiffany's journey to find final justice. And in the end, she prevailed.
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>> I love that they get to have the final say about their loved one, not him. And
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the other thing that I love about this hour is this is a story about dedicated badass women. Tiffany McGinness, who
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never gave up hope. Lead investigator Heather Wilson, who takes on this decadesl long case, and then the judge,
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Raquel West, holding both Terry Rose and David Wally's feet to the fire. >> Yeah, it the circle is closed.
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>> It's a tragic circle, but at least at the end of the day, there is that satisfaction.
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>> Um, thank you so much, Peter. >> Thank you. >> If you like this episode, please rate
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