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ladies and gentlemen this is a case about a mastermind a manipulator a murderer you are not Samurai you do not
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speak truth you only want to destroy you have no bito it's probably the strangest
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episode I've seen in a courtroom in my experience I'm going to show you what this crime
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scene looked like this defendant takes a pair of scissors and he goes into that room and
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he attacks her this is a case about Todd Winkler and how he brutally murdered Rachel Marie
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Winkler his wife mother of his three small [Music] children Rachel was loved life Rachel
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loved life she was beautiful and loving she was an amazing person she was an angel Todd Winkler is a graduate of the
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Air Force Academy he's a Air Force fighter pilot who's been stationed internationally he's a wealthy
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pharmaceutical executive comes across as very friendly jogging around the neighborhood with his small
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children as time progressed did she keep you up with what was going on with your
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marriage not really I could tell they weren't happy the last thing she ever said to me
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was I've realized that Tod a pathological liar Brandy I still have a hard time wrapping
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my mind around what happened we got in a fight and she turn out she's coming at me with a v of
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scissors and I got a hold of them and we had a struggle he wants you to believe that
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there is some big massive struggle where they're flipping and they're turning once I started to get the upper
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hand I just I pushed the scissors in as far as I could she's in the corner there and he
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lays there on top of her while she slowly dies we're all watching the prosecution and then there is this sort
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of rumbling weird noise and then Todd Winkler is erupting you are not Samurai you do not speak truth you only
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want to destroy you have no bito and it mesmerizes the courtroom and it freezes everything stop stop is this an act if
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it was it was a pretty good one this explosion fits in with a narrative of this is a guy with multiple
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psychiat ATC episodes you believe that he is suffering from a disorder that he's not
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a cold- blooded killer right do you think he meant to kill his wife in a sense he did you think he's guilty of
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murder no I don't you have no bito he's not crazy Todd Winkler is a coldblooded killer and Todd Winkler has killed
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before [Music] I'm Richard slesinger tonight on 48 Hours the two faces of Todd Winkler
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[Music] [Music] the people who live in Cameron Park California just east of Sacramento know
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how to put on a show it's a chance to Showcase their neighborhood raise money for charity
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with pancake breakfast $5 and show off some adult-sized [Music] toys it's a unique Community for people
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who like to fly pilot Phil Alby has lived in Cameron Park for 10 years well an outsider might be surprised when he
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first comes in uh the cars and the airplanes share the same streets uh for taxing or for driving they're going to
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find that people have airplanes sitting out in front of their house instead of their
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cars Todd and Rachel Winkler fit right in here Todd the former fighter pilot loved to fly and the couple apparently
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could afford the 860,000 house now that he was a successful pharmaceutical executive they married
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just weeks after they met a romantic might think it was love at first sight I didn't like it it seemed very strange
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but Rachel's Father Don Hatfield isn't that romantic one lady that had dated Tai was begging begging
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Rachel not to do it told me to try to stop her one of Todd's exgirlfriends told you to stop the
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marriage not let it happen please do not do this why what did she say well she she saw some things in Todd that were
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somewhat egocentric so you took her advice and said to your daughter what why are you doing this so fast we
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don't know this guy this doesn't seem like a good idea and what did she say Dad I know what I'm
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doing I know what I want to do and and he's a family man he's a successful businessman she was set on on doing it
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and Todd could be Charming well do you believe she loved him at some point yes I do in time Todd also Charmed his
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father-in-law because it seemed like a fun guy and he always was courteous kind and respectful of
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me Todd and Rachel soon had three children Eva the oldest Ariel and Alex the youngest with Todd
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Winkler Behind Bars awaiting trial for their mother's murder to pop up from your kids they are being raised by their
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grandfather that's my dessert well how hard was it for you Don Hatfield supposed to be retired to all of a
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sudden like that take on the responsibility for three children really hard I mean it would be like saying how
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am I going to get in shape for this Marathon the next year going to wash his hands here I'm going to do it but boy
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it's going to be hard do the kids ask about their mother do they know what happened yeah put your jammies on Eva I
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mean this is after a couple weeks after being with her and having her in this incredible voice say mommy don't leave
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me mommy don't leave me mommy don't leave me and it really got to me I mean I have never forgotten
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it it's small Comfort but Rachel's memory lives on in dozens of Don Hatfield's paintings she had such an
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exquisite beauty to her he's a renowned impressionist artist and his daughter was his Muse it's what I felt about her
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as my little girl one of the major joys of my life that you know when I when I painted her face I painted better you
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want to go over there yeah let's go over there but in the years after marrying Todd Rachel seemed to lose that special
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quality her father had captured on canvas according to her close friend Brandy Stanley the light in her eyes
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seemed to be dimming if I were to ask her how are things with Todd rather than saying oh
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they're great we're you know we're happy she would say things like it's okay I'll
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be fine hardly a ringing endorsement of a marriage right basically she told me that she lived much worse off than
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anyone that she knew was but her husband made more money than most people she knew what did you make of that I kind of
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assumed maybe that they had acquired a lot of debt Rachel took a job as office manager
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at the Cameron Air Park it was a struggle to work and take care of the children Todd was away all week at his
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job near San Francisco and Rachel complained that he had abandoned the renovations they had started in their
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home home she called it a danger zone or a biohazard because there was nothing finished and the outside looked well
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groomed and clean but inside it was rugs and tile and stacks of wood Todd's charm was wearing off and
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Rachel was telling Brandy all about it in emails Todd values experiences over relationships he wants a teammate more
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than a soulmate Rachel's messages became more ominous in the months leading up to
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her death I fell in love with the creep which serves me right but D she had decided to get a divorce and then there
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was that final chilling phone call actually the last thing she ever said to me was I've realized that Tod's a
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pathological liar Brandy and then she ended the phone call pretty quickly and said she'd call me
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later and later never came 911 what's your emergency I'm calling to R report a fatality on the morning of February 27th
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2012 police received a 911 call from Winkler's neighbor a lawyer Winkler had just called him and told him that Rachel
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was dead what happened there my understanding it was a domestic uh dispute fight confrontation
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okay when sheriff's deputies arrived at the scene they recorded this audio of Todd Winkler surrendering Sheriff's
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Office walk towards me walk to me keep your hands up or I can see them Winkler told them where they could find Rachel's
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body so where where is your wife when you enter the house you turn to the right the first bedroom on your right
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and you're you sure she's dead I'm positive how can you be how how are you sure no pulse no breathing and Winkler
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knew how Rachel died he waved his rights and spoke to investigators for more than
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an hour without asking for a lawyer he told them he and Rachel were having an argument over custody of the children he
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said he hit her in anger and was apologizing when she came at him with those scissors it was a long long long
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protracted struggle uhh she's a very strong girl she an extremely strong girl she's much better to
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me Todd Winkler claims he was fighting for his life there's a fellow killer be killed kind of
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situation but there were problems with his story almost immediately James White is a former
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Marine who who served in Desert Storm he's also a gun enthusiast and a martial artist a tough guy who gets a little
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mushy when he talks about Rachel Winkler the woman he calls the love of his life
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she had a beautiful smile she had a Magnetic Personality and she was just absolutely perfectly nice how often do
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you think of her these days every moment of every day he still listens to her phone messages I love you take care bye
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James and Rachel met in September of 2009 When Rachel started managing the Air Park so you worked here you worked at
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this little airport yes sir what did you do uh whatever Rachel needed me to do uh
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a couple times I repainted lines fixed the roof her marriage to Todd was already on the rocks and within months
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she and James began an affair did she seem different she seemed happier Rachel confided in her close
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friend Brandy Stanley that she had fallen in love but felt guilty about getting divorced she wanted to do right
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by God and stay married but she didn't know if that was something she could actually do Winkler found out about the
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affair and by all accounts was trying to win back his wife but Rachel seemed to know a side of him that frightened her
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she says if anything ever happens to me I want you to look at Todd and I want you to look at my kids when they get
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older and tell them how much I loved them wait a minute she told you if something happened to her to look at
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Todd when deputies arrived they detained a man near the front porch the morning of February 27th 2012 no one had to look
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very far after Todd Winkler admitted stabbing Rachel to death and then uh they'll take you to the jail okay all
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thank you am I under arrest yes okay after Winkler told police the detailed story of a life ore struggle over those
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scissors prosecutor Lett sudor started cutting it apart did she turn out she's coming at me with a V of scissors so
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Todd Winkler says that he was having an argument with his wife and she turned right and came at him with a pair of
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scissors open like this and you're smiling why it's ridiculous who comes at somebody with scissors that way it just
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doesn't make any sense suder insists that Rachel did not come at him at all this wasn't a fight the only struggle
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would have been her trying to defend herself as he's attacking her did she have a chance she had no chance she was
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110 lb 5'3 he is over 240 over double her body waight so if this was not a case of self-defense why would Todd
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Winkler decide to kill his wife that night he had known about the affair with James for well over a year she told a
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friend of hers that day that she had made her final decision and she was leaving him Rachel's father believes
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Winkler killed his wife because she knew his Secrets he wanted to shut her up she
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had the goods on him she could probably make his life very difficult it's not clear exactly how many Secrets Rachel
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knew but Winkler had a history of bizarre possibly psychiatric episodes this is a very disturbed
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individual Peter heck is a reporter with the Sacramento B and a CBS News consultant it turns out Winkler's
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history of strange outbursts dates back to his time in the Air Force he was stationed in the Far East with a
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squadron known as the fighting Samurai Winkler seemed to develop an obsession he sees himself in the image of the
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Samurai you have no B judge I'll stop Loosely translated Bushido is the samurai code of honor and while he
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was still in the military Winkler apparently took great offense when he was caught shoplifting from the PX and
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questioned by his commander and he erupts screaming he screams at his commanding officer so what happened to
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him he lands in a psychiatric care in an Army hospital in Hawaii they ultimately
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let him go on a a 50% psychiatric disability years later in the months before he killed Rachel Winkler's
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Behavior was getting more erratic and more frightening to her he was once again taken to a hospital apparently
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suffering from some sort of nervous breakdown after becoming enraged at his employer a large pharmaceutical company
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and he claimed that he had no sleep and they were pushing him too hard but Rachel reportedly told friends it was
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all an act he called her and told her that he faked it because he wanted to sue his company but it was another
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scheme of winklers that according to her father had Rachel especially alarmed he
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said says Winkler wanted to collect insurance money by staging a car crash he suggested to Rachel staging an
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accident where a car goes off a cliff Bingo that idea was so frightening because it was so
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familiar Todd Winkler had been married before and Rachel knew his previous wife Catherine was killed in a fiery car
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crash off a Mountainside in Georgia and Winkler said it was an accident it was sort of like a light bulb went off in
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her head and she realized wow this is a very scary man and I'm very afraid of him I'm thinking she's got to get out of
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there and Don Hatfield remembered something else his daughter had recently told him Rachel found a box of Ashes
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that were the ashes of his previous wife Rachel said I hope I never become ashes and um he said well just don't
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ever make me mad what do you believe she thought he was capable of killing murder
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deep down she knew that the last day I saw her she said I don't feel comfortable with Todd in the house
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anymore and I'm not going to stay there with him when he comes home in the weekends so okay stay with me and bring
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the kids and how soon after that did she die the next morning I got the call now
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Todd Winkler was twice a widower was he merely unlucky what are the chances that this could just be a
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fluke well someone who wins the lottery once is envied someone who wins the lottery twice is
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investigated we go back to this spot all the time back in September 1999 Michael
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hodnet and Woody Dew were camping in Georgia's remote chattah huchi National Forest when they were awakened in the
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middle of the night we heard someone running through through our campsite yelling help help
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help help there was a guy that was saying his wife is dead it was Todd Winkler and he said he had just survived
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a terrible accident that his wife had driven their truck off a dirt road and plunged down a steep mountain
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side he said he was ejected on the way down his voice was just heartbroken help help kind of sound
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the campers immediately set out to see if Winkler's wife could still be alive Catherine was Todd's previous wife
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she and her sister Christina Carlile were military brats she was easy on the eyes and had nice personality so so she
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didn't have problems meeting meeting guys at the time that she met Todd uh she was actually um dating another pilot
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Catherine was 23 and just like Rachel did she dated Todd just very briefly before marrying him Kathy was sort of
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glowing you know I think he swept her off her feet and he was going to be stationed over in Japan and wanted to
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take her with them she stood by her husband when he had that mental breakdown that landed him in the
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hospital in Hawaii she really wanted him to get therapy and Todd was not interested in that so she was concerned
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about that they eventually settled in Georgia where Winkler was starting his own internet business they were together
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for eight years when they went camping in 1999 and Todd Winkler turned to those strangers for help I knew that if we're
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going to save this girl we we got to get to the truck PNET and Dew soon learned how tough their rescue mission would be
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B when we came around the corner the whole side of the mountain was on fire still they raced down the hill towards
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the burning wreck 200 ft below while they say Winkler waited by the road I mean you can see the steepness of it
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it's it's very steep it's so steep that when they went back there with 48 hours they used
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ropes we have to use this 200t repelling rope to hold us up just to stay in place
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you can see the tree over here where the truck came to a stop right here facing down on its side with the wheels kind of
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in that direction Katherine Winkler never had a chance I knew that there was no saving
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her I'm picturing the truck sitting on its side in flames right now that's what I see right
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now Winkler told hodnet and Dew that he was thrown from the truck when it careened down the hill he searched for
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his wife and then then scrambled up the embankment I just don't see how someone could be ejected with no injury it just
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doesn't seem like he would not be hurt and why they wondered did it take Winkler so long to ask for help with the
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vehicle being surrounded by Flames that are 18 20t tall that would said the vehicle would had it easily been on fire
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for an hour Rick Johnson who was then a deputy sheriff was the first cop on the scene
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there was two persons involved in the accident one was at the top of the mountain and one was at the bottom of
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the mountain one was in the vehicle burned and the other was at the top of the mountain without a scratch on them
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Winkler told him that Catherine had been speeding to the hospital because he needed medical help he'd had an allergic
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reaction to an insect bite but Johnson wrote in his report he never showed us any bite do you believe he was bitten by
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a bug uh no sir I I don't believe he was bitten by anything like the campers Johnson felt Winkler's story did not add
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up was he moving okay he was moving fine Johnson followed procedure and handed off the case to more seasoned
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investigators they said Winkler was emotional and seemed to buy into his story and they later noted that he had a
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knee injury and a large scrape and bruise on his arm so you are certain that he had no bruises no scratches
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nothing on his body when you first saw him that night yes sir certain that nothing was wrong with it police had
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allowed Winkler to return to his campsite to collect his belongings he went without the police and that's where
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Johnson believes he got those injuries you think he did it to himself I think he self all self-inflicted Katherine's
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autopsy showed she died from soot and smoke inhalation and thermal Burns her body was 100%
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charred but the pathologist found no evidence of Foul Play So Katherine Winkler's death to this day is
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officially considered an accident my questions I have are did she suffer was she in a lot of pain when she
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passed Catherine's Sister Christina says she had sensed that something had soured in
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her sister's marriage and Todd collected nearly $1.2 million in life insurance and then in
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2012 when she learned Rachel was also dead Christina became convinced that Todd Winkler got away with murder
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perhaps if the investigation in Georgia had been thorough that maybe Rachel would not
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have died Looking Back Rick Johnson wishes he'd done more if you got that feeling that it
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ain't right it ain't right do you feel guilt I feel something I guess it might be a little guilt California prosecutor
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leet suder understands that I think anybody would feel a sense of wow had we put this together or known what we know
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now then Rachel Winkler wouldn't be dead we could have saved a life but no he shouldn't feel guilty as I was saying
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the defendant but she does want a jury to hear the details of Catherine's death as they hear the details of Rachel's at
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Todd Winkler's murder trial [Music] good morning ladies and gentlemen this is a case about a mastermind a
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manipulator and how he brutally murdered Rachel Marie Winkler prosecutor leet sudor had a lot
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of material to work with when the Todd Winkler murder trial opened in September 2014 I'm detective haes a lot of it came
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from Winkler himself who talked to detectives for more than an hour after killing his wife once I you know started
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to get the upper hand I pushed the scissors in as far as I could some of sud's best material has
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nothing to do with Rachel's death Winkler has said that was self-defense ladies and gentlemen keep an open mind
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but the judge allowed Suter to tell the jury the suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of Winkler's pre
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wife there is an accident the only witness was this defendant so defense attorney David Wier had his hands full
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what are the chances that one man would have two wives die is this guy just really unlucky or is there something
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more to it well I think that's just life your explanation basically boils down to
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stuff happens it does Life Goes On Life happens Katherine Winkler's death and Georgia is one of the first things suor
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talks about to the jury she's found burned to death down a steep embankment where the car went and the defendant is
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very fine with just a few minor scratches on him and that's when things got a little
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hairy you are not Samurai you do not speak truth you only want to destroy you have no bito you have no B Jud what
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happened that first day when your client had his Outburst I'm not sure I'll tell you one thing that was not
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planned I was looking at him in the eyes through the whole thing I to me it was incredibly fake stop stop sud has
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already said she believes faking illness is part of Winkler's Mo and she says he hasn't just faked
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mental illness to get special treatment at work he's also claimed over the years that he
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had cancer and not just once he shaved his head and he even like I think shaved his eyebrows did he have cancer he did
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not and he did it again he did a different type of faked a different type of cancer at a different job look at all
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the different lies first so she says it's not so hard to believe that Winkler is lying about defending himself against
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his 110b wife that morning in February 2012 what do you believe happened in that bedroom early that morning he took
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a pair of scissors and he went in there while she was asleep sudor says Winkler stabbed Rachel
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and left her for dead but Rachel wasn't dead I got up and got out of the room and ran to my
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[Music] car by Winkler's own account he came back this time wearing a motorcycle
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jacket for protection I tripped and fell forward when I rushed into the room she
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kicked me in the in the face and then we got into another subsequent struggle he comes back and now he makes
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his decision that he is going to kill her he takes those scissors and this ex fighter pilot jams them into her neck
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and he sits there and lays there on top of her while she slowly dies after he killed Rachel suitors said
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Winkler spent more than 6 hours cleaning up and feeding the kids who were in the
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house the whole time after that sudor says the evidence shows he inflicted these wounds on
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himself he were truly injured before then there would have been blood he was touching baby bottles he was touching a
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Froot Loop type of cereal for the children he was touching their bowls there is no blood anywhere in the
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kitchen area on any of those items but if Todd Winkler is a criminal mastermind as suor has argued Winkler's
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attorney David weiner says he sure didn't act like one sits down right away with Law Enforcement Officers you got
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the scissors away from her what were you doing with those at the time striking her I mean he's saying
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things that do not help him he is just he bearing bearing it all at trial Winkler took the stand
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the judge wouldn't allow cameras to record any testimony but Winkler made a damaging
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admission that he wanted Rachel to die I believe that he helped the prosecution to have a complete record of
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this trial Winkler's biggest problem was himself his admission that he didn't call anyone for 6 hours I shut the door
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to Rachel's room and just tried to make the house not look like buy seene and most chilling his own account
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of what Rachel said just before he killed her she was saying we'll resolve this we'll resolve
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this she was uh B begging for uh her life Rachel was begging for her life why didn't that make him stop she's
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a Ed him two times now with a with a deadly weapon why would he trust her at that point if it was a a
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rattlesnake right there uh in your face and you had a hold of it and you're able to cut its head
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off and that rattlesnake could talk to you said we can work this out it'll be okay just let me
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go so why did Todd Winkler feel the need to so ferociously defend himself against
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his tiny wife this man has a theory in fact he has two neurotic disorders one is called the dissociative disorder one
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is called conversion disorder Dr Frank lossi an expert witness for the defense has practiced Psychiatry since
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1947 in a nutshell he says a dissociative disorder produces a disconnect with reality a conversion disorder can
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produce other odd symptoms conversion disorder is where a mental state is converted into a physical
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disability Dr lossi says Todd had both disorders that day his right hand was paralyzed by the conversion disorder and
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so Winkler felt vulnerable and weak he thought it's just either she's going to kill me or I'm going to kill her do you
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believe that he was in reality vulnerable and weak yes I do this is nothing but smoking mirrors trying to
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trick you of course Suter believes Dr loss's theory is vulnerable and weak do you believe that he um was partially
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paralyzed in the midst of this fight absolutely not sud says Todd Winkler is just putting on another act the evidence
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proves he's lying and she's about to tell the jurors exactly how she believes he ended up with two dead wives
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[Music] [Music] he said he wanted her to die his own statement I want her to die after 12 days of testimony it is
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time for closing arguments prosecutor leet sud tells the jury Rachel Winkler's injur iies tell the story look at the
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injuries on her neck the images are so graphic we won't show them look at how many times he has control of those
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scissors and he is stabbing repeatedly there there there there there this is not
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self-defense look at the difference between her hands and his hands but defense attorney David Wier
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says Rachel was the aggressor and all of a sudden he's got she's coming at him with a pair of scissors there's a
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struggle and he describes it as a a struggle that takes some time that she was one one tough customer he seems to
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know it's a tough sell this is not a murder case ladies and gentlemen this is a self-defense case or at most it's a
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voluntary manslaughter case or at most a voluntary manslaughter case at most to me that didn't sound like a guy who was
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convinced that his client is absolutely innocent well then maybe I shouldn't have said that why why did you say that
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uh because uh there's there's there's some room to argue there Wier in his closing argument made no mention of
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Winkler's Outburst he also never mentioned the psychiatric disorders but sud did
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to somehow all of a sudden in the middle of the struggle he now can't Ed his right arm and his right hand when he was
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killing her he now has prow she reminded the jury that Rachel was not the first of Winkler's wives to die
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and that Winkler collected more than $1 million in life insurance after his previous wife Catherine died in that
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awful crash why did he kill Kathy he killed Kathy for financial gain and she says Winkler killed Rachel for the same
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reason money he wasn't fine with having to pay her money to leave him and have to pay child support and spousal support
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she argued there are too many similarities between the two deaths tenant has now had two dead wives and in
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both cases he's the only witness and his stories change and he comes up with injuries after the fact but Katherine
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Winkler's death was ruled an accident and that ruling stands to this day if you're going to find that Todd Winkler
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killed Kathy Winkler you have to rely on wild blind idiotic speculation now it's up to
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the jury to decide Don Hatfield knows the state presented a strong case very well but now waiting for the verdict he
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still can't help but worry what if it took the jury less than 5 hours to reach a verdict this is it superior court of
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the State of California in and for the County of Eldorado we the jury find the defendant Todd Allen Winkler guilty of
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the crime of first-degree murder as charged in count one of the indictment guilty Rachel's father cried
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her boyfriend hugged his daughter but Todd Winkler did not seem to react at all as he was led away in shackles okay
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I'm going to remand Mr winkl to the custody of the sheriff 6 weeks later Todd Winkler was back in court to be
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sentenced and Don Hatfield got his chance to be heard the pain and anguish my family and Rachel's friends have
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endured since this vile Act is unimaginable these beautiful children were orphaned in one cruel deed how will
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I ever explain or even comment on the question why did daddy kill mommy Rachel's children will prevail in this
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life but they will never see their mother again and then Todd Winkler spoke I will
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just say your honor I feel um deep remorse for what's happened and um for Rachel's family for my family and
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especially for my children judge Kenneth malikian answered Winkler matter you are
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not the victim in this case Rachel Winkler is the victim in this case and then he handed down the sentence total
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sentence is 26 years to life 26 years to life for murdering Rachel but Katherine Winkler's Sister
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Christina is still hoping for a new investigation into Catherine's death just struggling for answers and wanting
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Justice for my sister Rachel's friend Brandy got the Justice she was looking for but but
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whatever comfort that provides I miss her in so many ways cannot make up for the loss she still
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feels we talked a lot about bringing our kids up together we had waited 20 years for that
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to happen and Don Hatfield who knows the awful pain of losing a daughter would you rather watch cartoons or animals
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says he still feels Rachel's presence every day quick give me the broom he shouted through his grandchildren whom
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he will continue to raise good night Ev Ariel good night I I want Eva Ariel and Alex to know that they had a mother who
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loved them very much good night love you I love you too that she's with God and God is not far away and neither is their
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