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got a big key this you ready on September 9th 1999 I walked into the Union Correctional Institution in Rayford
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Florida Florida's death row going into a Maximum Security Prison isn't new to me I've been in dozens I've
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even done other interviews on death row face to face with convicted Killers but this case wait heavier on me who is
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Crosley green hi Crosley I'm Aaron morard with CBS News 48 Hours we've been looking at
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your case now it's really important to meet you and have viewers meet you nervous at all today no no I'm not
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nervous I'm a little shy but I'm not nervous it had been 9 years since Crosley was
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convicted for the murder of Chip Flynn and for the last 8 years he had been sitting on death row confined to a 6ft
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wide 9ot long cell and that's where he spent 23 and a half hours every day I want to ask you the question I
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think that everybody need you to answer did you kill chiplin no I did not kill that man
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[Music] I'm 48 Hours correspondent Aon morard this is murder in the Orange Grove the trouble case against Crosley
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Green episode 4 [Music] Revelations I've been examining and Reporting on crosley's case for 25 years
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since 1999 which is where we start this episode when I first met Crosley green why should I believe that you didn't
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kill chip Flyn I'm going tell you just like I tell people's my friends that was visiting me
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my attorneys hey I didn't kill that man all right but it's already embedded in your mind
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I'm a criminal why should I believe you initially I wondered could this be a case of mistaken identity the murder did
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occur on a moon less night in an unlit Orange Grove Kim H said over and over again she didn't get a good look at the
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as salent this was one of the first questionable conviction cases I had ever covered and I felt the need to find the
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truth the real truth because the consequences were life or death the room where we met Crossley was Tiny just
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enough space for me my cameraman and Crosley what what's it like being here on death row it's
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hell it's hell a lot in a lot of ways it's hell it's hell to me because I'm here for a crime I didn't
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commit all right then I got to sit in my S 24 hours a day do you ever think about what you face if you don't
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get out of here do I ever think about it no I don't think about it that is so far away from my
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mind I didn't expect to find a man with so much hope but Crosley appeared to be convinced that his murder conviction
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would one day be overturned if someone would just take a closer look well listen do me a favor just don't take my
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word go look at the records go look at every file that they [Music] got and so we did back then in the
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summer of 1999 chip Flynn's death 10 years ear earlier was still a dark painful memory
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in the small Florida communities of Titusville and Mims but it was mostly unknown to Outsiders like me I needed to
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go down there for myself to better understand the facts of the case for the next few weeks I met with different
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members of the community from attorneys and forensic experts to people who knew both crosy green and Chip Flynn people
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in their closest circles we spent days there at a time and kept going back I started with reviewing the police
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records and reading trial transcripts there seemed to be several prosecution witnesses who placed Crosley at the
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first crime scene holder Park like Willie Hampton a retired police officer at the time who testified that he saw
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Crosley wearing a jacket at the baseball game earlier in the day it was consistent with the description of the
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bolo that's the police term for be on the lookout but here's what Crosley said he was wearing that night what were you
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wearing I think it was a tank top which you would call a g shirt Red Jeans a pair of jeans and a pair of sneakers and
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what about a jacket no sir listen if I had on a jacket at that time when that bolo came out why so many people that
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was around me and I'm in sitting with them couldn't come up and say listen I remember a got there with a GRE Army
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jacket on he was sitting right beside me and there seemed to be inconsistencies about the as salent hair
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if you remember Kim HCK first told police that the as salent had an afro here she's talking to a sheriff's deputy
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on April 4th 1989 just hours after the murder okay uh what about the hair could you
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tell the hairstyle of the black nail just afro and there nothing fancy nothing weird was a thick long short
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just thick kind of long not long a littleit little bit of n but later at a pre-trial deposition the
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description of the as salent hair had changed Kim told defense attorney Rob Parker that the suspect had tight
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ringlets styled with a substance like a gel when I asked Crosley about how he wore his hair he insisted that it had
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been very short almost like a buzzcut as I kept pushing him for specific details you can hear him
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getting more and more frustrated until can I look at the camera cuz I want to say this in the camera man go ahead
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the way I look now is the way I look then I mean so your hair was that the way I look now is the way I look
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in that's short and she described someone with curls over the ears the way I look now
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to you this is exactly what I look like okay it may not be quite clear about what just happened but Crosley had
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become so frustrated with my questions over and over again about his hair that he suddenly just looked away from me and
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then looked straight into the camera lens and said the way I look now is the way I look then okay got it Crosley that
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is still one of my favorite moments from that first interview and more than another decade later Crosley still wears
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his hair pretty much the same he has short cropped hair almost completely shaven I think we all have ideas of what
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a Killer looks like Crosley didn't fit mine you could tell when someone is guarded not Crosley this was a guy who
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was open and eager to talk to me I got the sense that he was thrilled to finally get the chance to tell his side
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of the story I was told not to say nothing not to take the stand no not only not take the stand but after it was
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over I was told by my attorney uh don't say nothing I do the talking for you what did you want to say what I wanted
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to say I wanted to turn around and tell the parents of that kid that I'm sorry about their
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son but I didn't kill their son what struck me the most about talking to Crosley is not just that he denied
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killing chip I mean I expected that but how much he wanted to set the record straight with Chip's parents what pained
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him the most was that they thought he murdered their son they've been fed with something that is not
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true they have been fed with something that's not true okay and I feel bad for them I
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really do I feel bad for them when I lost my mother and father I know what I felt and for her to lose her son I know
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what she felt what's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think of CH rarely did you see him without a
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smile on his face just rarely that smile he always wore yeah before I met Crosley I met Charles
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and Peggy Flynn Chip's parents it's the heart hard EST part of reporting on crime talking to parents who have lost a
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beloved child and Chip Flynn was a beloved child after his murder the 10 years that had passed had done nothing
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to reduce their pain they spoke to me in their Titusville Home what's the most important thing you
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want people to know about Chip he didn't deserve to die we sat at their dining room table with pi pictures
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of Chip over the years spread across the table Family Photos School Portraits in
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all of them chip is smiling with laughter in his eyes I'm a mom myself I don't know how anyone goes on after
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losing a child you you want to wake up every day and say hey this has all been a bad
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dream it's going to go away it don't chip was named after his father Charles Charles remembered Kim how
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faithful call in those early morning hours of April 4th 1989 she just told us that she just that
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they had been kidnapped and that this guy take him down the Orange Grove and it chip jumped out of the truck shooting
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to try to save her and she jumped in the truck and took off do you believe Crosley green is the
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man who robbed and killed your son yes absolutely AB I definitely do there's nothing no worse than I'd rather do see
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somebody go to the chair for something they didn't do but I think we want that to happen but I agree I feel like
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there's enough proof um that it that it has that the case has totally been proven that he did do it
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and that's the way I feel you're telling people you're innocent and you're still sitting here
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on death row I'm a poor black man I don't have no money to hire no lawyer no investigators
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I have to do it what they give me I have to I have to do with that while Crosley couldn't afford an
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attorney he did have a rotating cast of at least five court appointed defense attorneys at that point they had tried
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and failed to get his conviction overturned or even get him off death row still Crosley remained upbeat convinced
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that he would someday walk free I have one one great big hope to try to help myself by writing to different
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peop and ask them for help to take a look at it you know I'm not just going to sit here and give up and not try to
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help myself turns out that crosley's willingness to talk to different people would prove to be a major turning point
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in his case in large part thanks to this woman Nan Webb I just almost feel driven sometimes
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to help people that can't help themselves cuz I think that's what we're supposed to do that's what God tells us
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we're supposed to do in 1999 when I met n web she was a 57-year-old teacher and anti-death row activist she and her
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husband Bill sat with me one afternoon in the kitchen of their Melbourne Florida home a flyer titled release
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Crosley green now was displayed prominently on their fridge alongside a photo of their poodle and a Serenity
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Prayer magnet here's bill and I just believe the man is innocent and I want to help him as much as I possibly can
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and support him and his his family what if Crosley green is guilty he's not but what if he is but he's
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not how can you know that because I've read the information and and we know Crosley they
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wanted to hire a private attorney for him but they didn't have the money so n went to a wrongful conviction conference
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in Chicago in hopes of meeting someone who would take the case pro bono and for the first time in nearly a decade
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crosley's luck took a turn after talking to Nan a private detective decided to recruit a team of five other
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investigators from across the country to reexamine the evidence against Crosley for
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[Music] free I asked Crosley what he thought about these investigators who were willing to drop everything to look into
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his case you can probably imagine his answer you feeling more helpful can I scream and I when I feel
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good I like to cry out so can I cry out you feel good that's that's what I feel like and that's really how I along with
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a group of 48 Hours producers got involved in this story in early 1999 when we heard that a band of private
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detectives were reinvestigating crosley's case on their own dime we knew there was probably a story there
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around the beginning of August we rolled into town with a CBS News camera crew we
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stuck out like a sore thumb and we had to be careful it felt like everyone knew each other and We Were Strangers from
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New York digging into a 10-year-old case that it clearly left its mark on Rural Florida
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my first impression of bravard County was that it's like many counties in Florida rural buggy especially with
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mosquitoes it was humid with wide open soggy spaces of overgrowth if you traveling north on
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Highway US1 on the right side is the area known as East Ms and that is where the vast majority of black citizens live
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on the west side is West Ms and that is where the vast majority of whites live when I started working on this podcast I
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wanted to know more about the racial history of Titusville and Mims and that's how we found Bill gar he's been
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involved in the local NAACP chapter for decades and told me about his experience
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moving to Bard County Now 50 years ago there was segregation here my my first wife and I bought a house out in North
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Titus field where there were no other black families and um we endured several months of people throwing citrus fruit
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on our house driving through our yards they spray painted the inward on both sides of of the house uh Florida to many
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people um conjures up an image of of beaches of palm trees Orange grows but also Florida
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has a very dark history uh when it comes to the treatment of black citizens in this state at one time Florida was the
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leading state in terms of lynchings Bill is also board president of a cultural institution dedicated to
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Harry and Harriet Moore the Moors were two activists who spearheaded the Florida civil rights movement right here
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in Mims in 1951 they were murdered when their house was bombed it's important because it's a part not only of the
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African-American history uh of the state but also of the nation we have the annual hary Mo memorial service and when
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we arrived there were some clu Clan Flyers all over the parking lot and they have been uh Flyers scattered in
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neighborhoods and stuff over different years while Bill Gary didn't know Crosley personally after crosley's
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conviction in 1990 his brother ' Conor asked Bill to review the trial transcripts they both hope that bill
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would see for himself the lack of evidence against Crosley and could help rally the Community to fight for his
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release this was a big story back in ' 89 the people that I've talked to in the community I never heard any comments or
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talks about uh Crossley attacking anybody or being violent at school or anything of that
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nature which is why I think many people were surprised when he was prosecuted for this as I continued to learn more
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about crosley's case this was a common sentiment I heard from many people even though Crosley had had run-ins with the
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law and a conviction for selling drugs no one could imagine he was capable of murder and why why did they want that
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conviction so badly cuz a young white man dies yes uh and based on the testimony of a a young white woman and
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the the state attorney Journey that we had at that time uh was not interested in in Justice what they were interested
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in is a conviction that State Attorney was Norm wolfinger prosecutor Chris White's boss
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wolfinger died in 2016 but he was still in office in 1999 when I started to investigate this case from where you're
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standing now do you believe that Crosley green is one who killed chip Flynn you know what I believe isn't important now
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the jury has found him guilty the Flor the the judge has sentenced him to wolfinger and many in the local
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community it was an open and shut Case crley green had murdered chip Flynn but N9 years after the trial Crosley still
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couldn't believe that he had been convicted I really didn't expect them to find me guilty what can they find me
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guilty of what evid [Music] this but now there was a new team of private detectives in town who were
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starting to pick apart that evidence that group of five men and one woman from around the country who flew in to
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reexamine crosley's case for free they have been in Bard County since July and when we caught up with them later that
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summer they were sunburned tired and making progress all right let's rock and roll coming through the bug infested
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Florida Orange Grove F got it they were pouring over old case documents topography maps and aerial
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photographs of the crime scenes and they were searching for prosecution witnesses
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who would be willing to talk to them they caught a break a big one when they found found Alan Jerome Murray he was
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one of the several witnesses who testified against Crosley at his murder trial he was the witness of trial who
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had been part of a group of men hanging around the corner in Mims known as 21 Jump Street Allan had testified that
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Crosley was also there and told them he had just killed a man and that he was going to quote
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disappear I spoke to Alan myself about this experience it's a little hard to hear and understand Allan on this
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recording so listen carefully tell me about it what what what did you say 10 years ago sent an innocent man to prison
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I sent an innocent man to prison Allan said Allan who was on Parole at the time of the murder told me that he felt
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pressured by detectives to come up with a story about Crosley green any story that would connect him to the crime and
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what did they want you to say that black man said he killed somebody and um they
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told me and said um if I don't say what I what they want me to say I go right back to the slam what did you tell the
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police they told me to say said he killed him so I just said he killed him again in case you couldn't quite hear
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him Allan said they told me to say he killed him so I just said he killed him and did Crosley green ever tell you that
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he didn't never told me that nearly 10 years after Allan testified against Crosley he admitted that he had lied on
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the stand and apparently he wasn't the only one remember Tim Curtis that autoshop repair owner who told police
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the sketch of the alleged as salent looked like Crosley well 10 years later he had a confession to make did that
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sketch look like Crosley green No it didn't not at all the sketch was of a a fatter type
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face person Crosley green had a real narrow narrow bone structure of the face did
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you tell the police though that it looked like Crosley green I think I may have said that in
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the report um why say anything at all I was angry I wanted the person who' done it I wanted Justice
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done at all cost even if if the wrong person was convicted but at the time I thought we had the right person
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or I felt that was the right person Tim had also told police that o Conor told him that Crosley had shot chip even
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though Tim knew it wasn't true I think I may have said something like that I think that was almost like you
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got a little fire going so you add a little bit more cold to it so you added embellished I think made up no I I
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wouldn't go as far as to say really made up I think it's almost like how rumors get started you know I seen the guy
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jumped to the creek by the time it gets back to you he swam the creek heck he walked on water before he got to the
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other side do you believe you made a mistake now I do and if if Crosley green is innocent
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and if Crosley green didn't do this well like they say the Opera ain't over till the fat lady sings and I think
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the fat lady's fixing a sing on this one the investigative team was on a roll they track down another prosecution
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witness Lonnie Hillary the fiance of crosley's sister he told these private investigators in a
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videotaped statement that he felt pressured by prosecutor Chris White to testify against Crosley to corroborate
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Sheila's account of that night at crosley's trial Lonnie corroborated Sheila's story and
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testified that he saw Crosley in the hours after the murder and said that Crosley told him quote I [ __ ] up but
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now 10 years later Lonnie told private investigators this wasn't true it couldn't be because Lonnie was with
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Sheila for the entire night of the murder and the following morning and neither had spoken to Crosley about
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[Music] anything but one of the most important Witnesses the woman whose testimony was
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devastating to Crosley a trial well she was elusive and kept avoiding the investigators
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calls that was Sheila green I asked Rob Parker crosley's defense attorney for the 1990 trial just
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how damning was Sheila's testimony you know basically told Crosley I said you know she strapped you
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in did you believe Sheila green at that time do you believe that Crosley green actually told her did no I don't believe
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that why do you think Sheila green testified against her own brother that way why want to go to federal
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prison the more I learned about this case the more I realized just how powerful her testimony was against her
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brother did she also lie on the stand just like Lonnie Hillary and Alan Jerome Murray it became clear that in order to
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overturn crosley's case the pis would need to track down Sheila and ask did Crosley really confess
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the pressure was on to find her and we appealed to her older sister Shirley White I can only show Sheila love and
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give her love the rest is up to Sheila but do you want her to come forward now I want her to come forward I
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told her today to come forward she will I know she will she's my sister she will I have that much confidence in
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her somehow Shirley did her magic and later that week there she was leaning against a vehicle Sheila spoke with the
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investigators I wasn't allowed to hear that initial conversation and I thought if she didn't
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want to talk to them she'll never talk to me a reporter with a camera but she did what have these last 10 years been
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like for you it's been like he that's something I had to live with for the for 10 years every time I look at
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news and hear about an individual death R I think about my brother and I knew that he's there not only for my
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statement but for other people statement but I knew mine was a lie and I always told myself one day that I was going to
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help him I didn't know about how to go about helping him because I was so afraid
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of what the outcome of my situation is because I'm on probation and um I don't know the
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judicial system you know and I was afraid of being sent back to prison it was painful to hear Sheila's
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story she's a mother and she said prosecutors promised to reduce her upcoming sentence on a drug conviction
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if she gave information about crosley's whereabouts on the night of 's murder what did they say would happen if you
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didn't testify against your brother I would never see my kids again they said that specific
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yes my kids is is one of my weakness you know you use my kids it's like you stabbing me in my heart with a
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knife and I never been separated from my kids and I felt that I wanted to see him again so I
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cooperated with the DEA and um State Attorney office are you telling me Sheila then that your entire testimony
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against your brother was a lie was the whole lie what did that feel like on the stand I felt
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horrible it was wrong but I felt I had to do it do you think Crosley had anything to do with
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the murder no have you talked to Crosley at all in all these 10 years no I haven't do you want
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to yes what would you tell him he will understand you think he will yes he will he know I did
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it's okay he he wouldn't be mad with me and Sheila was right when I asked him about
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this terrible betrayal Crosley didn't seem to be mad or even holding a grudge against his sister I'm not no rookie
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with just a sister okay um um I was 31 she was what 23 24 okay okay and she never went through a system
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before they shuck her up pretty pretty good things changed when they start to really messing with and start talking
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about taking her kids and stuff away from them come on crowy no I don't hate my sister man cuz it ain't Sheila
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fault no it ain't Sheila fault she testified against you listen when I saw my sister in trial
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that was my sister okay and it hurted me to my heart to see her like that that wasn't my sister Sheila did
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not receive the lighter sentence she was promised she ultimately gained nothing from testifying against
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Crosley surprisingly Crosley didn't have anger towards the people who testified against him because he knew the system
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he knew prosecutors and investig tigators can and sometimes would divide families just to convict someone I'm a
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lawyer and still this was shocking to me you've had what 10 years at least to think about what happened that night
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what do you think happened what I think I think it's terrible that a young man got
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killed okay but who killed him how he got killed and all that I don't know but do you think that
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there is another man out there a black man by another man out there a killer I don't know this young
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lady okay I'm not going to call her a liar maybe it wasn't no one maybe it was someone I wasn't there I can't tell you
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that I cannot tell you that I had my doubts and I still have my doubts this is Alma Jean Bloss one of
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the jurors on that 12 person allwhite jury that convicted Crosley of murder on a hot Florida summer day in
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1999 I sat at her kitchen island a scan of the local paper Florida today between
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us it was the first article that the paper had written on the murder of Chip Flynn 10 years
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ago Alma was composed but she was troubled all these years later she was still haunted by her decision to vote
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for a guilty verdict and seemed to want to get it off her chest from the very beginning you from the very from the
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very beginning yes the evidence was lacking pieces from the puzzle were gone there was no proof of this and that what
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worried you the most well no fingerprints in the truck that's was that was my biggest thing no
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fingerprints when he drove a truck and no gloves mentioned did he put his socks on his hands remember the only
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identifiable prints found on Chip's truck belonged to Kim hoc no prints anywhere on that truck were traced back
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to Crosley Alma had other concerns too they never found crosley's gun so did he have one and how did they know
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what color clothes in an Orange Grove was pitch dark the fact that there was only one
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eyewitness a young white woman identifying a black man did that concern you well to me actually I tell you it
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was like a madeup story you thought that at the time in my personal opinion down
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deep in I thought it was a madeup thing and then she said she saw the shots it was like she saw the shots
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after Dark how could you see them you might hear them and that bothered me it's bothered me for all these years
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and yet even with all these questions and yes doubts during the trial Alma voted to convict Crosley along with 11
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other jurors did you feel pressure in the Jury Room to convict him yes I did because he had a previous past he had
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just got out of prison or the jury they just kept saying he did it he did it did
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it and I held out till the end what made you finally give in I just they're all against me and I
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was the only one and it was down to the Grits so that's what you do Alma could have hung that jury and
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maybe saved Crosley from Death Row after talking to Alma and thinking more about the evidence I began to
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consider really for the first time time a completely different theory of the crime and it's something that Crosley
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himself had alluded to in his interview what if this wasn't a case of mistaken identity of a third- party as
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salent what if there was no third person at all just Kim and chip in that Orange
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Grove I asked State Attorney Norm wolfinger why wasn't in this particular case Kim hoc ever considered a
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suspect well I'm not getting into the investigation I can't say she was or wasn't I that was uh something that
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happened in the investigation I went through the entire investigation I went through the entire file I went read
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through all the court transcripts at no time did the police question her story they never tested her hair to see if a
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gun had been held up against her head they never tested her clothing they never tested her hands why wouldn't that
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be done wouldn't that be standard procedure well again I'm not going to get into the
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investigation back in 1999 there was nothing in the police records or court documents to indicate that law
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enforcement or prosecutors ever question Kim's story I wanted to hear directly from her about what happened that night
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but she denied 48 Hours multiple requests for an interview we don't really know what Kim
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thinks she's never agreed to talk with us but Kim did provide us with a statement that read in part quote for
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the last 10 years I've had to live with the memories and nightmares of that horrific evening the fact is there are
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only two surviving Witnesses from that evening myself and Crosley and I'm sure deep down inside Crosley knows that he's
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right where he deserves to be I took another look at the physical evidence presented at trial the
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prosecution had shown the jury a diagram of holder Park the first crime scene that showed shoeprints that stopped
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where Chip's truck was reportedly parked but reviewing the crime scene videotape
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again with the private detectives we noticed a discrepancy here is Agent Demars talking
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on the video taking hours after the murder we heard some of this recording in past episodes and I think it's
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important to Play It Again crime scene begins with what we believe to be suspect shoe prints that
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initiate at this point agent dears assumed that the alleged attacker arrived at the park in
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a vehicle because the shoe prints appeared to start on the side of the road heading in a West Direction up into
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the area between the trees which is where the victim's vehicle was parked along with the two victims prior to the
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abduction this so far matches the police diagram presented at trial but in the videotape crime scene walkth through
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dears continues you she Prince after proceeding West will then continue on around just to the outside of this
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fence with the last shoe print being seen just north of the second cement pole the shoe Prince that Demars is
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following the one she believes belongs to the alleged as salent left the park along the fence so how could he have
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gotten into the truck with chip and [Music] Kim the investigative team and I examined another important piece of
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evidence Chip's truck it was a hulking 82 Chevrolet Stepside 4x4 pickup it was massive the tires were so big that the
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only way to get into the truck was by grabbing along the window frames and Hauling yourself in I asked Tim Curtis
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who had once owned the truck and then later sold it to chip if it was as hard to drive as it looked yeah if you look
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at Kim's statement she never mentions any problem with the driving I mean with is that possible from what you know
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about this truck I'm no way I drove that truck I know exactly how that truck drove 100% without a shadow of a doubt
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at all you could not get in that truck and take off without it stalling that is a fact even if you knew a lot about
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driving stick I heck I owned the truck and at times when I'd pull away from a stoplight I would even stall it and I've
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driven it for who knows how long and got a lot of experience driving trucks like
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that if even a career auto mechanic has had issues with stalling Chip's truck I wondered how someone like Crosley could
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have driven it for the first time that night steering and shifting and don't forget with the added challenge of
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pointing a gun at Kim and Chip all at the same time crosley's trial attorney Rob Parker
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never asked Crosley back in 1989 if he knew how to drive a stick shift and the new team of piis told me
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they hadn't asked him either but I was raised driving cars with standard transmissions and it came up in my
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conversation with Crosley we were talking about the morning after Chip's murder when C Crosley said he was
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helping his cousin carlen with her car and did you try to move the car oh yeah I tried I tried to drive a car but you
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know she don't like me to drive it because I can't drive a car what do you mean you can't drive a car I can't drive
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a car why not why can't you drive her car this is a stick shift and I get I have trouble driving a car okay and what
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do you mean you have trouble driving okay I have probably shifting her car her shifter and it jerks when I tried to
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drive it to be sure we checked later with carlen and she corroborated that Crosley tried to move the car but as she
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put it he kept quote jerking it Crosley helped me out here if you have trouble driving stick
00:43:25
Shi and standard transmission I mean you knew that truck that chip Flynn owned was standard transmission why didn't you
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tell your lawyer that I didn't knew that what do you mean how how I supposed to know that man got a standing ship or
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automatic how I supposed to know you tell me how I supposed to know what kind of truck that man
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got such a simple detail that somehow fell through the cracks of trial the fact that the truck had a standard
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transmission with a clutch was part of the evidence of trial and yet no one thought to ask Crosley if he could even
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drive it I asked defense attorney Rob Parker to clarify for me more details of the
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case did the prosecutors ever find any Fingerprints of Crossley greens no did they find any bloody clothing
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no did they find this as salance weapon no did they find any weapon that Crosley
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green owned that could be connected to that shooting no ma'am did they find any evidence at all physical evidence that
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Crosley green was there quite to the contrary they found evidence um fingerprint evidence latent fingerprints
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that are not Crosley greens and are to this day unidentified by the end of our time in
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Bard County I felt like I was leaving with more questions than answers why was there a man sitting on
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death row for nearly a decade when there was no direct physical evidence tying him to the
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crime my crew and I headed home to New York to work on our broadcast and thought we might be dealing with a
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wrongful conviction 48 hours we take you [Music] there on November 1st 1999 48 Hours aired its first broadcast
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on Crosley green Dan Rather introduced our story a condemned man is waiting to die he insists that he's innocent and
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perhaps he is back in the 90s CBS and Broadcast News in general had a lot of power news networks were the only game
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in town and there were very few wrongful convictions reported on the air still reversing a death sentence can be an
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impossible mission our report gave national attention to this small town murder but it also Shook Up rard County
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the investigative team turned up four people who had testified against Crosley who then later recanted their stories
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even at the risk of being charg with perjury this was a Monumental Revelation for the community there and one for me
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too what happens if they don't get you a new trial what happened he from this day
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forward like I say if I make it I don't make it it's always going to be a question about
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this case it's always going to be something about this case that people's going to
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wonder [Music] about on the next episode of Murder in the Orange Grove the troubled case
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against Crosley green you have tons of circumstantial evidence against Kim you know I don't see how how it could
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have gone the way it did you actually believe chip came up with this story along with her absolutely there's no he
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have to he'd have to and if it was some stranger who abducted him and shot him I
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think the first words out of his mouth would be he went that way it was a black man he went that way you know but he
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would never say it's always just get me out of here get me out of here get me out of here that's all he would ever say
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[Music] murder in the Orange Grove was reported by me Aon morard alongside producers
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Alan Pang Annie Cronenberg and Allison Bailey Kiara orbits is our coordinating producer and Florence bro Adams is our
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story editor additional production support from Dylan Gordon Marlon polycarp Caroline Casey and Christine
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Driscoll Judy tigart is the executive producer of 48 Hours Gail Zimmerman asena basak Mark goom Charlotte Fuller
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Judy Ryback and Steven McCain produced the original 48 Hours episodes associate producers were Michael Loftus and
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Shaheen Toki Patty aronowski was a senior producer special thanks to Megan Marcus
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Jamie johon Nick poser and Gail spru [Music]