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[Music] watch out out a woman found chained in a storage container her captor a successful
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realtor who confessed to seven murders a double life beyond belief those were the headlines now
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we've got the story behind the story the court has just released hundreds of documents photographs and even hours of
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videotape that reveal in stunning detail a Serial Killer's Journey Into Darkness Caleb Brown is a very good
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friend of mine she's really a wonderful person she always wants to please people
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one day Kayla met Charlie she said that this was different that they had a love that went beyond
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anything superficial I found out they were missing on Labor Day weekend after searching for her for 2
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months I then got a text message from another good friend of mine and they said they found Kaya she's
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alive investigators discovered Brown chained up like a dog inside of a metal storage container on Cup's rural South
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Carolina property let's talk about the day you're rescued what happened I think it was 9:00 I started hearing
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noises and then I heard somebody's voice and I couldn't say anything I couldn't breathe like I panicked somebody came up
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and like asked if I was in there and I said yeah and they're like we're going to get you
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out are you okay just a girl just a girl just a girl I remember asking her I'm like who are are you what's your name
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here's this girl chained up like a dog my neck's attached to the wall up here in the back of a container did I just
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step into Hollywood on a movie set she told the bise that she saw Todd cup shoot her boyfriend Charlie Carver
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do you know where your buddy is Charlie yes she shot him where did he shoot him in the
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chest and did he say anything not at first not until he grabbed me and told me to come inside or i' joined
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Charlie coap was arrested Thursday after 30-year-old Caleb Brown was rescued and he said can I talk to my mom
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before anything starts being said I'm sorry Mom did he cry mhm his eyes horrible they
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were both ing out of his face and they were red Todd is not a monster he's never been a monster he's not even close
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to it shot him twice okay in the chest he dropped forward I went around him and put another one through a spinal
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call he did some bad things but a monster no Ted Monday I'd call a monster but Todd
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he wasn't doing it for enjoyment he was doing it because he was mad and he was hurt I wonder what a mother says to a
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son after he tells her I killed seven people oh my God that's what she said and she experiences hurt that she's
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never experienced in her [Music] life 48 Hours serial confessions [Applause] [Music]
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this bizarre and frightening story began Labor Day weekend 2016 when 30-year-old
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Kayla Brown and her 32-year-old boyfriend Charles David Carver went missing near Spartanburg Charles David
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Carver is my son he is my first born Joanne shifflet he could bring a smile to the
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saddest person he loved to laugh Charlie Carver operated a printer at a local business his father Chuck
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says he was a gentle soul he never hurt anybody he would give you the shirt off his back or last $2 in his
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pocket that was just the guy he was the effort to find Charlie and Kaya started as soon as they went missing but it
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would take a couple of months to put that puzzle together investigators got a hold of a search warrant that allowed
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them to access Kayla's Facebook page and that's where they found a message that Kayla sent to Charlie where she
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referenced Todd kup and then there were the cell phone records Apparently one of
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the couple's last pings from their cell phones was near a property that Cola owned all signs pointed to a 99 acre
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piece of land owned by CB he kept it fenced off but sheriff's deputies obtained a warrant and they began
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searching there on November 3rd 2016 that's when they heard the female voice yelling for help inside that
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storage container I got there in 6 minutes that was 25 minutes away and I made it in
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six Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright in his deputies rush to cut the five locks off the storage container
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door those dramatic moments were captured by police are you okay do you have any
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weapon coming through okay what's your name what's your name okay all right just a girl just a girl
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just a girl how are you honey this Cutters this is our best he's a paramedic sthe okay we're going to get
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you out of there okay this hand loose for me anybody got a I need a handcuff key you put your hands down sweetheart
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you're okay we're here okay yes sir just both feet just one attach to a chain wall and my next attach to the wall up
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here okay all right all right we're going get you out sweetheart okay we'll get it off here cut it right here
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we're going to sty out sweet Kayla was rushed from the scene into an ambulance where she began talking about her twomon
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imprisonment at the hands of Todd cup what did Todd do while you were there we would get there between 1 and 3:00 every
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day take me up to the main building feed me make me do whatever he wanted seually
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and then he' put me back in the building it's okay to cry you've been through hell he said he was breaking all his
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rules with me and he didn't know if he was going to kill me or sell me or what [Music]
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yet Kayla told investigators she had gone to KB's isolated property to do some cleaning as she had before her
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boyfriend Charlie accompanied her and without warning or provocation Kayla said Todd CB shot
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Charlie as he stood next to her Kayla said it was so sudden and unexpected she could hardly believe it I was in shock I
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just went he pulled me to go and told me to go or he or I could join Charlie and
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I just went I was numb I I couldn't think I I still hadn't comprehended what happened Kayla Brown gave her first and
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only television interview to Dr Phil watching and she described how her two-month ordeal inside that storage
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container began it was pitch black but he had a flashlight and he had a lot of shelving with um like dried food and
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rations and stuff and like lots of bottles of water did he come in there with you yeah he he took me all the way
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in the back and did he leave you bound or did he unbind you he left me bound and he also
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put a chain around my neck how long was the chain 2 and 1/2 3 ft my neck was in one
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corner my ankle was in the other corner at the same time deputies were searching for Kayla other detectives
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were dispatched to Cup's home at that point the deputies do not know Kayla has been found they were there for C of cell
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phone and the visit begins with a cordial tone hello how you doing doing well but things start to get serious
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Rich stay right here as deputies begin getting phone calls on their cell phones from their colleagues who were at Cup's
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property kup is handcuffed and then he's told the news KLA has been rescued all right this is where we're at Mr
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Co while we were here all right M my sergeant Ser search one on your property okay okay we have cayb excuse me we have
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cayb in your property she was locked in a container okay she has told us that you
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shot and killed Charlie you're under arrest right now for kidnapping all right they continued to
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search for your property they're going to continue to bring they got cab dogs down there okay okay if you want to help
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yourself tell me where Charlie's at so we can go find his body that's that's pretty much where
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we're at right now okay do you want to help me yourself and tell me where the body's at so we
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can go recover Charlie's body no sir you don't want to no sir okay why' you shoot
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him I didn't shoot any place her okay why did you lock her in a container in your property I was talking about I'm
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onlyy an attorney um probably good thing go ahead and put him in the back of your
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car want your driveway right here going on passenger side all right yes sir [Music]
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okay Kayla told Dr Phil that Kip raped her repeatedly when he raped you did his demeanor change
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afterwards no same before and same after did he leave you bound during this time yes sir hands behind your back yes
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sir after his arrest kup begged the sheriff to allow him to tell his mother Regina tag what he had done before she
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heard it from someone else she in turn tried to tell her son's story to us I want to say something to the people
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that have been hurt I want the world to know that he's he's not a bad person he's a good
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person why did he chain that girl up because he didn't know what to do at that point she saw evidently saw him
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kill the other the her boyfriend and he didn't know what to do with her he couldn't turn her loose
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she go get the police so he chained her up and tried to make her as comfortable as possible and he he had a dilemma
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Regina says kup promised her that he did not abuse Kayla and in fact treated her
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well I wanted to know how sorry I am and I think Todd is too because he didn't want to hurt
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her he just said know what to do why did he kill her boyfriend because he got nasty and got smart mouth and tied hired
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him to to do some stuff and Todd pays well and the guy got mie about it and from what I
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gathered said some smart things to Todd and I just Tod shot him is that how your son handled his anger
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he just killed people when they mistreated him never before that may be what KB told his mama
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but it was far from the truth as he himself told police is going to be up late tonight in a series of candid
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confessions KB stunned investigators by admitting to seven different murders and I shot her two to three times in the
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chest not my best work it seems almost surreal now but if you would ask people in town about Todd
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Cola before his arrest they would have talked about him in glowing terms just listen to the local sheriff he did his
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job super good you know I just met him around town I mean he he did his job very well I mean he was a good realtor
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if you wanted to buy a house to see someone you'd have called well heck yeah I would have this guy know knew exactly
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what he was doing he's very smart kup was single lived in an upscale home drove a BMW and had a pilot's
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license but there was no doubt he had a dark side after invest tigators located the
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body of Charlie Carver kup LED detectives to two other bodies that he buried on his land a young married
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couple Megan and Johnny Joe coxy got her number we talked on the phone for a brief moment okay basically
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offered her the job offered to let him go in and do come work as well and then in an otherwise ordinary interrogation
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room at the Spartenburg County Sheriff's Department kup began began his extraordinary confessions talking for
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hours with investigators there was almost no emotion except for laughter he joked that his new notoriety might give
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a boost to his real estate business I mean I'm thinking some people put my face on some Billboards were like hey no
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the face hire [Music] him cup revealed that he crossed paths with Megan and Johnny Joe when they were
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down on their luck he offered to pay them to do some cleanup work at his property
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and I picked them up and I drove them to my land event kid supplies M and got them down to my building and that's when
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Johnny pulled a knife out mhm and you shot I shot okay and you shot her not exactly it was December 2015 about a
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year before Kayla was rescued Kip says he held Megan in the same container where he later chained
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Kayla I didn't know what to do with it man um one side I really want to drop her the next side I
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really kind of wanted to save her he says he bought Megan cigarettes Pizza even her favorite soda pop but after
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about a week CB says she became too hard to control and he felt the easiest way out for him was to kill
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her all drop side to put a for in the back of her head what gun did you shoot her with same one that you shot mhm
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Johnny Johnny with M and that's a Glock and that's the same one you shot Charlie
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Charlie it's not my favorite gun just it's just it's a it's a handy handy one it's very
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effective less than a year later on August 30th 2016 colip says he invited Caleb Brown
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to his quote Sanctuary she asked if her boyfriend Charlie could come along and cup agreed but says he got a little
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testy when the two began bickering in front of him what made you shoot Charlie I don't
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know how to answer that I don't know how to answer that honestly I was angry at her I was angry
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at him it just went very quickly after he killed Charlie CB kept Kayla alive as a sex slave for 2 months
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before she was rescued she believes CB did not kill her because it seemed as she told Dr Phil that he
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was infatuated with [Music] her how did he seem infatuated I mean he let me know that I
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was his property and that he chose me and told me how beautiful and smart I was and stuff like that did you respond
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when he said these things to you not at first later on I realized that I had to stay alive in order to be
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found so I made him think whatever I had to to stay alive and to keep him from abusing me but if you ask Todd cup he'll
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tell you all the sex was consensual the only problem I have with any of this is I'm not going to set
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Kayla's right that's not going to that's I'll fight all the way we'll go JY I won't win but I'm make it extremely
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extremely costly the idea that he claims all these rapes were actually consensual
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sex is outrageous Dr Chris Mandi is a forensic psychologist and CBS News consultant it's failing to take into
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account the scenario that he created he's put her into bondage after seeing her boyfriend executed the fact that
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he's outraged you know that he might be char charged with rape ridiculous kup said he allowed
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Kayla to shower at an apartment he kept next to the storage container and he claims he pretty much gave her what she
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asked for she had me get her the DVD player the MP3 player the coloring books coloring books adult coloring
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books okay dude I didn't question I just it got her to shut up indulge her requests for Creature Comforts like
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coloring books is his way of playing God with her it's almost like granting her prayers it is not actions of goodness
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Mandi says whether she realizes it or not Kayla was manipulating kup while it seemed to him that he was granting her
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favors Kayla was actually ingratiating herself to him submissiveness as a behavioral tactic very effective with
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Todd Kap so these kinds of behaviors that she was asking for and that he was granting were a brilliant and
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resourceful way of her surviving to the extent that you can get the offender to do things for your
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well-being it's going to make it that much more difficult for them to harm you did he have a fantasy that at some point
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the two of you would become a couple oh yeah yeah and live together and did he talk about the fantasy yeah I mean he
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was going to build a house in the property and I was going to have a you know a soundproof room and you know he'd
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let me have the run of the property eventually when he trusted me and yeah he even said that he would let me go and
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give me some money if he ever got old and sick so he was thinking very long term Mandi says there's really only one
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way to describe the type of man Todd kup is he is a reptile in the truest in in the truest sense of the word in fact
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long before he took Kayla captive Todd kup was a sexual predator when he was only 15 years old he kidnapped and raped
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a 14-year-old girl in tempy Arizona Todd Kip charged as an adult pleaded guilty to kidnapping in exchange
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that sexual assault charge was dropped the troubled teens spent the next 14 years in the Arizona Prison System and
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when he got out he moved right back here to South Carolina started a new life and
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eventually bought this home here I set everything up so that he could be a productive part of our
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city and that he could enjoy the rest of his life and do what he loved doing you never give up on
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him no you don't give up on kid you don't do that you can't cup was not done confessing far
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from it the next story he told shocked the sheriff to his core he admitted to mass murder and the sheriff knew exactly
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what he was talking about a cold case that had been unsolved for nearly 13 years Peter vanand has that story
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[Music] next it is one of the most notorious unsolved murder mysteries in South Carolina's history four people shot
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execution style at Superbike Motorsports in chzn a brutal crime that baffled police for for over a decade was now
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being claimed by Todd Kap who says he opened fire that day after what he perceived was rude
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treatment by the owner and his staff did they say anything to you was there any conversation don't please
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whatever no sir with any of this I don't remember hearing any of that I I will tell you that once I engaged I was
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engaged okay um so it's at that point it's almost like a video game it's not a game but
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it's almost you you're focused on you've been there sir you know what I'm talking about before Cole hepp's
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confession back when the murders happened investigators had a very different suspect in mind this woman
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it's still sometimes hard for me to believe that this is my story this is my late husband's story that
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this is us sitting here talking about it it All Began one cold November morning in 2003 Melissa Ponder was 7 weeks
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pregnant and still asleep when her husband Scott left for work at the Motorsports dealership their family
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business hours later he would call to check in what were the last words he said to you he said okay I will see you
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later I love you bye sometime after 2 p.m. Scott Ponder his mother Beverly his service manager
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and close friend Brian Lucas and his mechanic Chris sheret were all hard at work at the bike shop when someone
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gunned them down where is your emergency it's Motorsports okay what's the problem
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apparently everybody's been shot up here four murders committed in a matter of seconds ending for Melissa a picture
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perfect marriage I was happy I was pregnant sicker than a dog but I was so excited about
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it Terry guy was Scott's stepfather he lost Scott and his wife just a split second your whole
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worlds just turned completely upside down here's a no Lorraine and Tom Lucas lost their son Brian I was real proud of
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him he's just a good person anybody that needed help and they asked him he would
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do it he got married he had two children two sons he was a wonderful father and I
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have heard from people that they say he was the best mechanic around early on in the investigation a
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witness reported seeing a man in the bike shop not long before the murders in his confession Todd corroborated that
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part of the story saying he spared that witness because he was with his young son I knew a guy came in with a kid
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looking for a go-kart and Le left okay cuz I intentionally waited till they were gone at the time police thought it
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was strange that nothing had been taken from the bike shop this was not a robbery gone bad so police did what they
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always do they focused on those closest to the victims I was polygraphed and I was asked the very serious questions of
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did you kill your husband Scott Ponder did you plan the murder of your husband Scott Ponder your answers were always oh
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absolutely not no 7 months later Melissa gave birth to a son that birth overshadowed any type of of sadness that
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I had felt through this I got to hold a piece of him again I had his flesh and blood with me she
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named him Scotty after his father how long after the birth did did the police come back my son was 6 months old I get
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a phone call one day we need you to come down to the dealership don't bring the baby with you we need to talk to you
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what Melissa didn't know is that police had gotten an anonymous tip that Scott was sterile police suspected Melissa was
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having an affair and wanted Scott out of the picture they they proceeded to tell
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me that we took a diaper that you threw away here a couple weeks ago and and sent it off to have a DNA test done the
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problem is it doesn't match up with your husband's DNA and I immediately said no
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way there's no way what there's there's no way that this is not my husband's baby there's no way and so I said I'm
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going to get my baby you will swab his mouth in front of me I will watch you put it in that envelope you know I was
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just no no notion is a potential love triangle for sure and a love triangle can create
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a motive for for murder correct and they're wondering if you did the killing or if someone you know right Melissa was
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sure the second DNA test would prove Scott was the father but incredibly it did not he said Melissa we now have two
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DNA tests that show Scott Ponder is not the father of your baby we need you to come clean and we need you to tell us
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who the father is and I said you're trying to pin something on me that has nothing to do with me this is his baby
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and I will have his body exhumed right now that never happened police soon admitted that they got it wrong the vial
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of blood they were testing against the baby's DNA was mislabeled by another agency Melissa was cleared but it was
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too late the damage was done the rumors ran rampant I cannot tell you the things
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that have been said about me I know that Scott's grandmother who I thought I was
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close to died believing that that was not her own grandson the truth of what happened that
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day would not be revealed for 13 years not until Todd Co have in an even and unemotional tone calmly laid out the
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horrifying details of how he slaughtered four people received to walk back to the
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building again to clear and as I went I one round to each person's [Music] [Applause]
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[Music] [Music] forehead The Fast and Furious world of Superbike Motorsports was once the
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premier pit stop for high octane Thrill Seekers anytime I was off work I would go up
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there a lot of us went up there to hang out it was it was a good time a really good time nol Lee was a regular at the
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shop and became friends with Scott Ponder and Brian Lucas definitely my closest friends I would leave there some
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on some days I was say all right guys love you guys but on the afternoon of November 6th 2003 when no went to see
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his friends he stumbled onto a horrifying blood soaked crime scene it's Motorsports apparently
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everybody's been shot up here everybody's laying down in a pool of blood no is still haunted by the
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memories of what happened I know it doesn't look like much now but uh back in 2003 this was the place you wanted to
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be this is supposed to be a safe place everything changed when Caleb Brown was found chained inside that
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container after her capture and Todd Kip's arrest he unraveled for police his murderous career taking full credit for
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the superbike killings showing no emotion he told detectives the story of what happened that day I bought a
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motorcycle from them it All Began Co hiip says after he bought a motorcycle he admits he could not ride he says went
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back and asked the store's employees for help and told him that I was having a hard time writing it and I was trying to
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see if I could possibly traded in for a smaller bike they proceeded to give me little on the road side about uh my
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inability to to to ride that kind of bike no one ever taught me days later the motorcycle was stolen and Cole help
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felt someone at the superbike shop was involved it was implied that we up your after his arrest cooh hiip told his
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mother The Experience left him feeling humiliated they made fun of him and they laughed at
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him made jokes at him he was hurt on a quiet afternoon in 2003 Kap sought Revenge coap picked out a bike to
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buy and when the mechanic went into a back room to parrot Kap followed him and pulled a Baretta from his shoulder
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holster so you pulled out the Baretta and what happened um shot the mechanic twice downward
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angle I got him to lung t two lung shots okay I got each longer they had heard the gunshots in the back and were coming
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this way to figure out what had happened all sudden I had three people in front of me mom was the closest and I shot her
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two to three times in the ja just not my best work she fell that the owner and the
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manager ran from the door took off in the process of that I emptied popped a few rounds and
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got one of them in the back and he crumpled in the door did a tactical reload and dropped the other one before
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he got out the door I put I believe two maybe three rounds in him I'm not sure the count that was a very fast
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rning after kp's confession Melissa got a phone call at her Arizona home from one of the detectives involved in the
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original case he told Melissa about the arrest and said KP had revealed a key detail only the killer would know Kap
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admitted firing a single bullet in into the forehead of each of his victims after all those years you are
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finally told who murdered your husband right and it's somebody that didn't even ring a bell
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with me never even heard of the guy in fact police knew the name Todd Kap for years because he'd been a
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customer investigators had sent cooh hiip a form letter in 2013 asking him to come forward if he
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had any information about the murders that letter was one of hundreds of pages of documents in the case File released
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this month there was no reason to interview everybody there was nothing in this gentleman's background that
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screamed you know I did this but that infuriates Scott's stepfather Terry Guy the sad part about it
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is you know had they thoroughly checked every every person on it they might have
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helped ever how many people this gentleman's killed in the last 13 years days after his arrest Todd Kap was
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formally charged with the superbike homicides and for the first time Tom and Lorraine Lucas came face to face with
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their son's killer I was expecting probably to see somebody that had tattoos and earrings and you know just
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me looking and so forth and I was just just staring at him thinking I'm not I I just don't get it there's a lot about
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Todd Kap people just don't get he seems different somehow after all most murderers don't make casual jokes about
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killing their victims I said my golf game is weak my kill game is strong despite all the confessions kp's
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case still needed to be heard in a court of law and he was upfront when asked what a fitting end to his story might be
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I mean I'm joking aside I what do you want take me out back sh me back in the head I shot her two three times in the
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chest not my best work shot the mechanic twice in the hours he spent confessing to Detectives
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did a tactical reload and dropped the other one Todd kup remained remarkably candid even when he showed police where
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he buried his victims up there at the spot where you took Charlie mhm there were two holes dug mhm what was your
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intent with the second hole hadn't decided yet was that possibly for Kayla yes sir kup even told Kayla he had already
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picked out his next victim some girl named Holly he supposedly planning to kill if he can
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never get her and her boyfriend out I don't know why he there was really only one way to describe Todd kup your son is
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the definition of what's known as a serial killer I hate that you think he'll plead guilty or not
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guilty he compl guilty cuz he knows he did it and so 7 months after his arrest on
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May 29th 2017 Todd KB stood before judge J Durham Cole do you wish to enter a ple of
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guilty or not guilty to each of the charges contained in each of these separate indictments in the quiet South Carolina
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courtroom the moment felt like a dry legal matter but in truth the softspoken Todd kup had just admitted killing
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Charlie Carver cayla's boyfriend Johnny Joe coxy and his wife Megan Lee mcra coxy and the four people at the super
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bike Motorsports store owner Scott Ponder his mother Beverly service manager Brian Lucas and mechanic Chris
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Sherbert as to each of the seven counts of Murder in the end Todd KB bargained for his own life is that true he would
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escape the death penalty in exchange for pleading guilty to seven murders as well as the kidnapping and
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rape charges related to Caleb Brown he was given seven con itive life sentences plus 60 years my kill game is
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good the man who laughed during his confession showed no remorse even when the families of his victims poured into
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the courtroom to make their Victim Impact statements I hope Mr K will spend every day for the rest of his life
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thinking about pain and suffering he has caused so many people cayb Brown was not in the
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courtroom but Melissa Ponder was I don't have a hatred towards him the only thing that comes to mind
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for me is I'm sad that his life has been something that has led to these different events that has caused so much
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trauma to other people yay her greatest love is for Scotty the young boy that was born after his father was murdered
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Scotty watched as KB got the sentence that even he had wished for I just really hope he'd be in jail for the rest
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of his like can die like I just don't want any more people to Die the question of whether KB killed others is an open
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one there is nothing to indicate there are more victims but Sheriff Chuck Wright said in court he has not closed
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that door and I vow to you that we will continue to search for other people who need and deserve closure as for cayb
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brown she is recovering and she told Dr Phil she is a Survivor if he's watching this right now what do you have to say
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to him I would just tell him that no matter what he did to me he did not break me he
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cannot destroy who I am and I won there was no relief for Todd KB's 7-year-old mother she had told us that
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his Killing Spree made her heart sick what do you want to say to the families did I know how bad they've hurt
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all this time and they've all lost someone they love so dearly and I am so sorry that it was my son that hurt
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them Regina T died without ever having to watch her son stand before the families of his victims and admit the
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unthinkable and there's nothing I can do about it I can't change it I wish to God I
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could for them as much as me and Todd everybody's hurt he hurt [Music] everybody
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