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[Music] 911 why is your emergency I need the police [Applause] I sry please I think you're still alive
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he's making noises do work out got a telephone call from the Ellis County Sheriff's Office
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saying hey we've had a shooting in your city her husband's been shot by an unknown male I believe that had broken
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into the house police when I got there I met a deputy from Ellis County where you at the
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bedroom please and we see the body on the th his name is John John what Barner excuse man back up on he's still
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warm see no ma'am come on sweet come on you're going to get him you're going to get him
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please did you see who did this man yes who I don't know who he came in here he came in the house
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yes are we sure he's not here anymore Chief yeah may still be here huh don't know yet
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[Music] did you find it no ma'am nobody's here they have me sitting on the couch
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in the living room ma'am how you doing I'm Sergeant Carr I'm with MPR police department and I've
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never dealt with police at all so I didn't know they even had video cameras on them let me get your name Sandra were
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you able to see them I kept going over and over and over everything I saw about him trying to remember everything he was
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white it was a white meal everything he had on he had blue jeans on the blue hoodie and a mask just still trying to
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keep that memory going and I I looked at his face once but I was afraid if I looked
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again he was going to kill me could I get you stand right there I have to pull my phone out get a real closeup here if
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you don't mind okay and I started snapping pictures I'm going to get some pictures back
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here Ro crime scene starting around these trees we started going ahead and securing the
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scene most small cities like May per if they have a major crime I'm going to call Shane and let him know they will
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call in sorry to wake you up a resource like Ellis County Sheriff's Office it was a little after 2 a.m. when
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I drive hey good morning how you doing sir after I was brief immediately I knew that Sandra needed to be talked to she
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was the last one to see him alive get out right there man we decided to take Sandra to the Sheriff's Office she was
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very key our only witness it made me think that I was going to help him find the person that did this
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[Music] [Music] you can bet this could be the last place Sandra Garner expected to find herself
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yet here she was early in the morning of January 2nd 2018 at the Ellis County Sheriff's
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Office in waak Texas not far from her home in May Pearl turn around just hours earlier she and her
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husband John had celebrated their 18th wedding anniversary and now after a night of
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unimaginable violence she was answering questions about his murder I didn't mind doing at all cuz I
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wanted to help him as much as I could May Pearl's chief of police at the time Boyd Norton was in charge assisted by
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Lieutenant Shane Thompson of the Sheriff's Office him first please it was all routine Sandra's hands were swabbed for
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gunshot residue her clothes were collected and then the questioning began and I knew I had to
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stay kind of calm to be able to tell them everything that happened did you wake up any before the incident happened
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cuz I felt like if I just lit my emotions go that I would lose it all and I couldn't lose it I woke
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up and then I heard gunshot you heard a gunshot I heard two gunshots and then somehow I ended up in
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the floor beside the bed she says she saw a man holding a flashlight and a gun I was started screaming you know hoping
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somebody would hear me he said shut up I said please don't kill me and he says what I came here to do is done I didn't
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come here to shoot you you were having this conversation with the guy who just shot your husband well I said that and
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he said it back to me yes she says he seemed to know both her and John who he blamed for destroying his life years
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earlier my ass off and then he fir he says I lost my house I lost my wife I lost my kid he apparently didn't come
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just to kill John he also wanted money he said your husband had always talked about how he keeps money in the house
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and I need that money I think I earned that money she went into the closet and she got the lock box that closet has a
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light that comes on when the door opens and Sandra says that's how she got a glimpse of the killer he had a mask on
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all I could see was his eyes was he tall was he short he was taller than me you recognize the
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voice no she handed him a pile of cash exactly how much remains a mystery I think it was $188,000 that's how much
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was in there the last time I counted it $188,000 yes Sandra says when he left the killer gave her instructions that
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were frightening and a little peculiar he told her toh sit down and count to 100 if he heard sirene he was going to
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come back and kill her count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 that's how fast you count 100 yes 911 then she made that
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call to 911 there was a man in here I him please help me investigators now had Sandra's story about Jon's death but
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they needed to learn the story of the couple's life together Sandra was a twice divorced mother of two when she
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met John they worked as managers at the same packaging company in Paris Texas she was 13 years older
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than he was he was just a very sweet man but he was known as a tough boss he loved firing people cuz if they weren't
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doing their job right they didn't need to be working for him the fact that he had fired a lot of people we knew that
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there were going to be people out there who didn't care for John John was kind of a wild crazy guy
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he was prescribed anti depressants he took those frequently drank heavily very outgoing very blunt I mean he's he's out
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there none of that mattered to Sandra 2 years after they met they got married on
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New Year's Eve in Las Vegas we had an awesome relationship we loved each other so much we were
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Partners we just did everything together John became a second father to Sandra's
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son Wes but her daughter Andrea was not very fond of him until 2014 when Sandra was diagnosed with
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multiple sclerosis I saw how much he loved her that's all that mattered he took care of
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her he was her Rock the medicine made me sick a lot it also made her depressed she says she thought about suicide died
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and Googled how to do it how do I kill myself in my sleep how do I take pills to kill myself or something like that
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Sandra says she didn't want to become a burden to John well I told John one day you know I just you don't deserve this
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I'm just going to kill myself and he said well if you do that I'm going to kill myself too that's when I knew I
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couldn't do it as Sandra got sicker John became the sole bread winner and caretaker how reliant on him were you I
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was very riing on him he was all I had it was just me and him in 2016 they moved to May
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Pearl population just about 1,000 to be closer to their families John's father and stepmother
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bought the house across the street and John and Sandra's backyard became the Gathering Place we were over
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there all the time I mean our our family is just you don't knock on the door you walk in Jessica
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Garner married John's cousin and she became close to Sandra I loved her she was family that was John's wife I mean
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you love them they were super happy so the news that johon had been killed came out of the blue and I just started
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screaming I'm like no no he's not it was a nightmare was just a nightmare several
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hours after she arrived Sandra left the Sheriff's Office to be with the extended
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Garner family which had gathered to comfort her police body cams captured the scene I'm like what happened what
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what's going on and she told us the story did you believe her I did did everybody in the room believe her
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[Music] no if you want come with me I'll love you back to put it mildly Sandra Garner
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had had a bad night by the time she left the Ellis County Sheriff's Office and things were about to get worse her son
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Wes showed up at the Sheriff's Office looking for her Wes is somebody that we wanted to speak with because he was the
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last person John spoke to besides Sandra he agreed to talk to Lieutenant Shane Thompson so you were with John last
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night that was just hours before the shooting Wes says he went home and didn't know anything was wrong until
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John's family including Jessica Garner showed up at his apartment to give him the news John's been killed and he was
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like what happened we're like we don't know and he was like how's my mom where's my mom Wes hadn't seen his
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mother but what he had to say about her sure caught Lieutenant Thompson's attention Wes very early on had
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suspicions about his mother being involved he seemed to be wondering if his own mother could be a killer
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she understand what's your thoughts M [Music] man meanwhile at the crime scene investigators were busy collecting
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evidence and taking photos we searched the entire house we searched all the cars and all of the out
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buildings Sandra's Mustang was parked inside of a detached garage there was nothing there it took hours but the
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police finally left and when they did Sandra went home to live in the house Sheriff's Office where less than 24
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hours earlier her husband had been shot to death it was a little weird yes but I
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knew I needed to be there why I just felt like that's where John would want me to be and I was really hoping that
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the guy would come back you were so I could kill him investigators already had one
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killing on their hands and they were going through all the evidence they took out of the Garner's home they were
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particularly interested in the Garner's Electronics you can learn a lot about a person from their electronics and what
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they learned from Sandra's iPad and cell phone seemed especially interesting few
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days before the the murder she's searching um how to kill somebody in their sleep she had clicked on a link uh
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16 ways to kill somebody and not get caught what was your reaction our reaction that sander just became more
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and more of a suspect you have a gift for understatement but it would be hard to
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understate how well the house was protected John had guns lots of guns even for Texas 49 pistols I'm sorry how
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many 49 and there was probably 12 rifles he had them stashed everywhere cuz he wanted there be a gun if he needed it we
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were able to account for all of the weapons except for one what kind of gun was that a 38 John was killed with a 38
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and what's more Norton says the missing pistol belonged to Sandra John had given it to Sandra but
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investigators couldn't find the gun on January 5th 3 days after JN was murdered investigators returned to the Garner
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house to search again they wanted that gun and they looked everywhere we searched all the vehicles
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again and they wanted to look inside Sandra's Mustang but this time they couldn't the Mustang was still inside of
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the detached garage but it was locked what did you make of that well we wanted to know why it was
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locked Wes went across the street where the family was gathered to get Sandra's Keys Wes walked in and said hey Mom they
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want the keys to your Mustang she threw down the fork that was in her hand and said no you can tell them to off and I
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just remember looking at her like I was pissed because I knew they were looking at me for it she says she
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learned police were looking at her as a suspect just that morning from Wes I told him no he said yes they are
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you scared no cuz I didn't do it she was not going to let us in that Mustang when
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she knew that we were getting in that vehicle one way or another he stepped back out there for me please I got to
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get some pictures she ended up producing the key when police open open the car they found a plastic bag under the front
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seat and inside wrapped in wet towels was a rusty gun a 38 caliber pistol with no fingerprints or DNA it is awfully odd
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that it wasn't there one day and then 3 days later there it was very odd yes got
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any ideas how that happened Sandra put it there Jessica remembers Wes coming back across the
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street he said um they found the gun in her car I just looked at him and I mean like
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I'm getting Goosebumps now you just you're like what what did that mean to you at
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that point just everything changes at that point she killed John how could she kill
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John why did she kill John Sandra was brought back to the Ellis County Sheriff's Office and this time Thompson
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was assisted by Texas Ranger Adam sweene I need you to be honest I'm trying I swear I'm trying to be honest with you I
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don't you don't think I'm being honest and this was not a friendly conversation it was more confrontational
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something happened what Happ I did not kill my husband that's when they started hey we
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know you did this we know you did this no I didn't yeah we know you did we want you to tell us that's what we're here
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for to tell you what you want me to say that I did it when I didn't we want you to tell us the truth that's it I told
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you the truth you're not telling us the truth and they questioned her about her gun when did you put that gun in your
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car you not a gun in my car I serious I didn't put a gun in my car y'all I swear
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where was there a gun in my car she stuck to her story she claimed she had no idea how the gun got there no you're
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trying to get me to admit something I didn't do yes yes and I'm done talking to you I
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was upset cuz they didn't believe what I was telling them you know why would they not believe it that
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might be because 5 days later when the ballistics test came back they showed the gun in the Mustang was the one used
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to kill John and with that just a few hours later when Sandra pulled into her driveway police were waiting I just got
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out of the car and I said we're arresting you it was horrible the Garner family was watching from across the
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street as the woman who had been so close to all of them okay let's get her out of here was hauled off in
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handcuffs I'll be completely honest we cheered you cheered we cheered and I know that's horrible to
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say but it was just a little piece of Justice at that moment for [Music] John after police arrested Sandra Garner
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her bond was set at $2 million there was no way she could pay that they made her
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sit in jail for a year and a half and that should have never happened Sandra's attorney Tom papis she's not the kind of
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person that would do that to John in September of 2019 Sandra Garner aged by prison got to tell her story to a new
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audience good morning everyone in front of a jury when she went on trial in waah
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hatchee Texas are the attorneys ready for the jury to come in for murdering her husband John were you prepared for
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what that was going to be like no I didn't know what all was going to be said I was hopeful
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they didn't have anything to prove absolutely that I did it mhm so I was confident but prosecutors Lindy batty
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and Ricky cypes believed they had a strong case against her the murder weapon was Sandra Garner's gun anybody
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you tell the story to says who comes to commit a murder and doesn't bring their own weapon batty ridiculed Sandra's
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story about a killer coming in but using Sandra's gun damn it I forgot the gun at times she acted out
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the role of the killer I wore my trusty mask so no one would know who I was but I'm going to have a 10-minute
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conversation with Sandra about who I am and why I'm doing this and there were those ghoulish searches on Sandra's iPad
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about killing someone and not getting caught big deal and we did make a big deal about these prosecutors could well
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have considered this case a slam dunk sounds good for us right we sometimes we don't get that much but this was a hard
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case we knew we had a mountain of hurdles to overcome in this trial make no mistake she didn't shoot John the
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prosecution's biggest hurdles may have been the result of poor police work Sheriff's Office especially May Pearl
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police chief Boyd Norton's lack of experience leading an investigation obviously I had been to
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many murder scenes but as as far as being the investigator on the scene this was my first he had enough experience to
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know he had to look into all those people John had fired over the years we interviewed probably a couple of dozen
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people who had been terminated and we were not coming up with any suspects but Norton is more open and more honest than
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most people would be about the mistakes he made at various stages of the investigation was the crime scene
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secured in your view you quickly enough to preserve the all the evidence no I probably should have taken her out of
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the house and put her in a car I probably should have bagged her hands and I should have done some other things
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police might have made a huge mistake by not bagging Sandra's hands gunshot residue was discovered on her but it was
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only a tiny amount that could have an innocent explanation says the defense sander was lying right next to John when
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he was shot she pulled the body off the bed and she did chest compression the fact that there are only three specs on
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her left arm uh wasn't consistent with her firing the weapon investigators believe if Sandra's hands had been
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bagged they might have found a lot more gunshot residue enough to prove she did fire that gun he's in the bedroom right
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there police might also have failed to preserve the crime scene well enough First Responders came in and out a lot
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ran in the bedroom when I was still there which I thought was strange because that's where it happened so why
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run and mess up everything that could be evidence and important evidence was lost
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by the police themselves body cam footage shows Chief Norton taking photos of the scene right when he arrived a lot
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of them and they all inexplicably disappeared from his cell phone how did you feel when you realized
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that the these photos were missing well I felt bad I had evidence that should have been with the case and it wasn't
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there so yeah I was embarrassed problem for the case yes sir instead the prosecution had to use photos taken by
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the Ellis County Sheriff's crime scene investigator 8 hours after the murder the investigation was messed up mishap
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with the photos seemed like a gift to defense attorney Tom papis what did you think think when you heard that these
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photos had been lost I think we're going to win do you regret not handing this whole thing over to Ellis County right
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away I do I do when did you realize that that was a mistake probably about a week into it
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law enforcement poured their heart and their soul into this investigation it may not have been perfect and
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prosecutors knew the chief's inexperience would not play well in front of the jury did Chief Boyd Norton
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fill you with confidence no no prosecutors found themselves having to explain among other
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things why the police didn't fingerprint the door handle of the Mustang where the
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gun was found papa says police might well have found a fingerprint that belonged to another suspect as
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prosecutors we want them to do everything possible that they could do I believe that it should have been done
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you know I told you up front that we'd made some mistakes in this case should we have taken the car and impounded and
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process it maybe but we didn't papus attacked every phase of the investigation the police searched that
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house and they screwed a lot of stuff up where you ated he wanted to know why it
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took police so long to get to the crime scene in the first place you get a 911 call from a lady
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who's hysterical that says there was an intruder and my husband's been shot and it takes him 30 40 minutes to get to the
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scene well Chief Norton says that he was there in 15 minutes even 15 minutes is crazy prosecutors had one other huge
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problem proving a motive why would Sandra want to kill her husband who was her caretaker we did not have one set
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motive here is the motive this is the reason why she killed him in Texas prosecutors don't have to prove motive
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but as a human being everybody wants to know why but papa says there was one person who was close to Jon and may well
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have had a motive to kill him and what's more at every turn in the case he was there Sandra's son Wes we knew Wes was
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going to be a problem from the get-go what I say to you were you going to play it back to my mom Wes does look bad
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[Music] Wes should have been a suspect defense attorney Tom papis says the police made
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one of their biggest mistakes when they ruled out one suspect so let's talk about Wes Sandra's own son Wes his
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conduct when you really look at it objectively and look at Sandra objectively is more suspicious than hers
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[Music] everything Wes did was kind of suspicious prosecutor Lindy batty I did have a lot of heartburn over it when we
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were going through case preparation and we knew Wes was going to be an absolute train wreck and he
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was Wes was involved in this case early on just hours after JN was killed Wes was the one who pointed the finger at
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his mother put your thoughts than M man and he kept at it questioning details of her story dog big
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dog the dogs how the so and so knew how to get in and for somebody to sneak up on them
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like that one of the hardest things about the case was the magnitude of Wes's disloyalty to her and the things he was
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doing to try to get her blamed for this she has never acted like this before just jumped out at
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youart Sandra now says she has come to believe the worst thing a mother could believe about her child who do you think
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killed John I think it was Wesley papa says those chilling Google searches on Sandra's iPad and iPhone
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could have been done by Wes he says Wes had access to the devices that did not require a password there's one thing
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everybody said about Sanda and John it's they went to bed at 9:30 those web searches were done between 11: and
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midnight just 4 days before the murder and papa says on that same night Wes was at their house he's the one that did the
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website not her went searching for 16 ways 16 ways to kill you don't know that for sure but go ahead he he's well we I
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don't know who else it could have been I don't think it was John West wouldn't answer our questions but he always
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seemed willing to answer investigators questions especially about his mother and her gun think a revolver she used to
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keep it her purse that I understand underne her car that's where the last time she kept
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it he's being a little bit too helpful with the police saying hey you know look here after the police searched and
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failed to find the gun lieutenant Shane Thompson talked to Wes again somebody said that your mom owned a 38
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revolver she does have a revolver but I thought it was in her Mustang and she says she never put in
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her Mustang and if she did it'll be underneath the seat underneath the seat the next day police searched for
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the gun one more time where do they find it they find it under the sea those things really did cause some
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concern Wes does look bad it began to look like someone was setting her up I don't know the West did that but it sure
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looks suspicious and and his conduct was just unexplainable papis believes Wes might have more of a motive to kill JN
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than Sandra did he says Wes needed money and mistakenly believed he was in Jon's
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will was he ever a suspect in this no he wasn't my suspect after all Wes told Chief Boyd Norton he had an alibi for
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the time John was murdered I went back home drun sixpack of beer and watch Netflix and Netflix and phone records
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seem to help corroborate his story at least for a while there was a record that he'd been on Netflix up until about
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12 12:30 there was some phone calls that were made oh my God it's perfect like he's got an alibi this is fantastic
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until we look at the records and we're like no no that that's not the right time prosecutors discovered
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investigators had made a mistake the times on those records weren't recorded in Central Standard Time the local time
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which means there was actually no evidence that Wes was watching Netflix or on the phone at the time John was
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killed didn't look good that the cops didn't know which time zone they were dealing with no it did not I would
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imagine it did not help your case they didn't look at Wes they didn't understand that he didn't have an alibi
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and that's an example of where they just gloss over stuff they thought they had a
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rock solid Alibi for West and in fact that was not the case how's floored that the prosecutors insist even though
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they say Wes looks suspicious at times and he has no alibi they are confident he is not the killer once you meet Wes
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it's over if you just talk to him for any length of time you know he is just not capable of committing this type of
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crime he's just not smart enough honestly and she says his stomach isn't strong enough there's no way that guy
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can go put a bullet in some guy's head that he loves sees some blood and there not be a vomit Trail you know all the
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way back home and if Wes did break into the house that night and have a conversation with Sandra batty wonders
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how could Sandra not recognize him my God people if it was was Wes Miller she would know her own son there's no way
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she doesn't know if it's him there's no way wouldn't recognize his voice I would think I would
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recognize his voice but after hearing shot just all the drama I can see why I didn't recognize
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it your own son yes pardon me for saying this but it it it's hard to believe I don't know I just I didn't recognize
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it there are a lot of questions for Sandra and unlike most defendants in murder cases she decided to take the
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stand cameras were not allowed in the courtroom for her testimony I felt like if it went wrong for me if I didn't
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testify what if I could have saved it were you comfortable putting her up no of course not you're never comfortable
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when your client takes a witness stand Sandra had trouble on the stand she struggled to answer some of the
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questions during a lengthy cross-examination I think there were some questions about the website
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searches and the searches surrounding that that were that were difficult and she simply didn't remember stuff and
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they were able to make some points I thought that we were able to show that she was a
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liar as the case goes to the jury Sandra should know soon if taking the stand was
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the smart move move whatever happened I had to deal with [Applause] it it took one month 27 Witnesses and
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more than 400 pieces of evidence for the case against Sandra Garner to finally go
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to the jury and when it did neither side was very confident I think I was probably 50/50 at the end of it I felt
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like we ended well so I was hopeful I was extremely confident one minute and just distraught the next the jurors
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however seemed very clear about their views they came back with a verdict in just 3 hours God I was nervous cuz it
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all comes down to this you're thanking God please have done the right thing please found Justice for this
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family Sandra's daughter Andrea was holding her breath the longest 3 hours of my
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life what did the quick verdict mean all right it was anyone's guess I did not think it was good for us yes I didn't
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feel that they had gone through all of the evidence again oh my heart must have stopped this is bad it's not good at all
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trying to say that so Sandra wouldn't hear please be s in front of a packed courtroom get on the record the judge
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read the decision if the defendant please stand the last thing I remember is the
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juror handing the paper to the BFF and I look down I could not look I wasn't ready for a guilty verdict we the
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jury find a defendant Sandra Louise Garner not [Music] guilty not guilty and just like that
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Sandra Garner was a free woman after 21 months in jail I felt wonderful I turned
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to Tom and was say yay yay and we hugged each other I get to go home think those are the sweetest words
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I've ever heard in my life it was like a weight had been lifted off of my shoulders they had been carrying for
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nearly 2 years I gu gave her the biggest hug I could I was so happy for her I I tear up
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just thinking about it I mean she's she's got a chance to try to get some of her life
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back of course like every verdict this one was not universally popular I just remember thinking they got that wrong
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what there's no way there's no way I don't want to watch this there's no happy ending to this this isn't happy at
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all she unless of course you are Sandra [Music] Garner we caught up with her the moment
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she was released from jail feels wonderful feels wonderful I was just praying to God my
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husband and my daddy just to help them say not guilty please Sandra was eager to get back home
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to the same house where her husband was murdered and I love my house and I know it's hard and I know people think I'm
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crazy for one to be here but I just want to be as close to him as I can living here will mean living across
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the street from John's parents who still are convinced Sandra is a murderess who
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killed their son and whose family is still grieving John should still alive we should still be a family that was
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taken from us there should be Justice for his killer there's not there never will be
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none of us have talked to her none of us want to talk to her Andrea Miller is worried about her
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mother one of the most important pieces of her life isn't here and she has to live with that on a daily basis [ __ ]
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come here I'm scared that something's going to happen to her baby I give you copy Sandra's attorney Tom
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papis is also worried about her safety there's a murderer that hasn't been arrested that's still out there she s
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part of Sandra's U I'm tearing up now part of Sandra's well let me you ask why you tearing up tell me about her because
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I care about her I care what happens to her I care what happens to the people around her whatever happens to Sandra it
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likely will happen without her son Wes prosecutors and police believe they tried the right person and don't
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consider Wes a suspect but Sandra and Andrea are no longer speaking to him he does not deserve to be part of my
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mother's life anymore as far as I'm concerned I don't have a brother anymore this is a tough question do you
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still love your son not like I used to now I I have not spoke to him at all he did me really wrong
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and what toll is that taken on you it's very hurtful but he chose that I didn't Sandra Garner is now free to
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spend time with what remains of her family she knows others still see her as a killer who got away with it in the
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eyes of the law she is not guilty and the case against her is forever closed under the law you cannot be
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charged chared with this crime again um even if you say you did it so let me ask you did you kill your
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husband no man was a ling my life could told you he was all I had he was going to take
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care of me for the rest of my life without him I have nobody no I didn't kill my husband
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[Music] 48 hours to miss it would be a crime were you at all prepared for what happened in this case
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