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New hope in treating PTSD with psychedelic drugs

November 14, 2021 / 07:47

This episode discusses PTSD treatment for veterans, featuring Scott Ostrom, Rachel Yehuda, and Bob Parsons. It highlights the use of MDMA in therapy.

Scott Ostrom, a former Marine, shares his struggles with PTSD after two tours in Iraq, including nightmares and panic attacks. He describes his anger and guilt over traumatic experiences, particularly feeling helpless during a friend's death.

Rachel Yehuda from Mount Sinai Hospital explains the limitations of standard PTSD treatments and introduces MDMA-assisted psychotherapy as a promising alternative. She notes that two-thirds of participants in recent trials no longer have PTSD symptoms.

Bob Parsons, a billionaire and Vietnam veteran, discusses his support for psychedelic research and his personal journey with psychedelics. He has donated over seven million dollars to help advance MDMA therapy.

The episode concludes with Scott's positive transformation through MDMA therapy, expressing hope for a new paradigm of care for veterans suffering from PTSD.

TLDR

Scott Ostrom shares his PTSD journey and the transformative potential of MDMA therapy for veterans.

Episode

7:47
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here's something you probably don't know as many as one in five veterans suffers
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from ptsd post-traumatic stress disorder is a leading cause of suicide among vets but
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david martin has word of a surprising treatment that could lead them out of the dark
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i stab myself in the neck and the wrist with a knife and um i just wanted the pain to stop
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a series of pulitzer prize-winning photographs captured the agony of former marine scott ostrom his life overwhelmed
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by ptsd after two tours in iraq 12 years of nightmares panic attacks and failed relationships
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a danger not only to himself but to others deep down i was angry so really i i think i was just looking for
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a fight what were you angry about i was angry with myself i felt guilty for some of the things that i failed to do
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when i was overseas failed to do how i watched my friend burn alive inside of a humvee
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and the fire was too hot and i couldn't get to him so um i felt like i needed to be punished for
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that you're being haunted by your a memory of something that happened to you rachel
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yehuda of mount sinai hospital in new york has spent 30 years working with veterans and other victims of ptsd the
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standard treatment for ptsd has been psychotherapy and there are two medications that are fda approved for
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the treatment of ptsd both of which are antidepressants how effective is the treatment these
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treatments tend not to really solve the problem for most people but they are better than nothing
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desperate for relief scott ostrom answered a facebook ad seeking volunteers for an fda approved trial
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using a psychedelic drug called mdma better known by its street name ecstasy it really did change my life come on
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buddy in a short period of time in six months when i first heard about this i thought
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to myself how could this possibly be a good idea psychedelics were illegal and designated
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by our government as being of potential harm and no medical benefit then at the annual burning man festival
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in nevada she met rick doblin i knew that mdma was great for ptsd in 1984. domlin heads a psychedelic
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research organization called maps and for decades has been fighting laws which made psychedelics illegal when we think
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now about how many people over the last 50 years could have been saved from suicide or depression if the
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research hadn't been shut down it's a tragedy it was not until 2016 that the food and
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drug administration authorized phase 3 trials for mdma the same kind of phase 3 trials covid
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vaccines went through to prove they are safe and effective the results from the latest phase 3
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trial of mdma were just astounding so these studies have they produce specific results two-thirds of the people that
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were treated with a course of mdma no longer have ptsd would you call this a breakthrough i would absolutely call
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this a breakthrough what does the fda think they've designated mdma-assisted psychotherapy as a breakthrough approach
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what does that mean in terms of what you can do now well it doesn't mean you can start
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taking mdma on your own it means that the data are so good that let's get this on a fast track for approval
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but life on that fast track costs money the biggest obstacle really for us was raising the funds to do the research
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because the pharmaceutical companies were not interested the major foundations were not interested it was
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all too controversial thank you enter bob parsons a maverick billionaire who first took psychedelics
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three years ago how much of a difference did psychedelics make in your life the quality of my life has increased
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immeasurably never a good student parsons joined the marines at 17 and was sent to vietnam
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a month later he was wounded this is a picture of me in the field hospital it was the last he saw of
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combat but the war continued to haunt him i was completely different guy that came home than the guy that left
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the guy that came home he had a short temper never felt like he belonged no matter
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where he was or who he was with was it getting better was it getting worse i believe it was getting worse somebody
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would ask me if i served in vietnam i started crying parsons made his fortune from godaddy go
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daddy.com an internet company which he turned into must-see tv with risque super bowl ads
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now you're a billionaire what are you going to do with all that money i'm going to do what i can to get
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psychedelics approved for therapeutic use parsons has donated more than seven million dollars to psychedelic research
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under the influence of mdma scott ostrom was able to actually visualize his inner demons this spinning
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black ball started to open itself up to me in different layers like an onion and then each layer
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revealed like a new memory and it was almost like the layers were just opening and opening
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and opening at the center he found a part of him he calls the bully it was a terribly
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frightening creature the bully is basically the person you had to become in order to
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survive two tours in iraq that's right that's who the marine corps trains you to be a fighter and a killer
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and that's who i had to become to survive those deployments with the aid of two psychotherapists he
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was able to come to terms with it after those three mdma sessions i haven't had a nightmare about the war
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since do you suffer panic attacks anymore no do you have any thoughts of suicide
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no but like a drunk getting sober he can't undo all the damage done all the years lost
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you know i spent over a decade pushing people away and making my life harder on myself and not
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loving myself so as far as dealing with the combat part of my ptsd we were successful in that
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but i i still think i can be a better person i still think there's room to grow mdma may be a breakthrough but it's
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still a trial drug not likely to be available to the estimated 1 million veterans suffering from ptsd
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until 2024 what the breakthrough means to me is that we have a meaningful way to
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spend our time now so that we can bring a new paradigm of care to the people that need it most it just means that
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there's real hope out there that may really end up being a game changer for people that have suffered for way too
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long you

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Episode Highlights

  • The Struggle with PTSD
    As many as one in five veterans suffers from PTSD, leading to dire consequences.
    @ 00m 03s
    November 14, 2021
  • MDMA as a Treatment
    Scott Ostrom found relief from PTSD through an FDA-approved trial using MDMA.
    “It really did change my life, come on buddy.”
    @ 02m 12s
    November 14, 2021
  • A Breakthrough in Therapy
    The FDA has designated MDMA-assisted psychotherapy as a breakthrough approach for PTSD treatment.
    @ 03m 38s
    November 14, 2021
  • Hope for Veterans
    The breakthrough means a new paradigm of care for veterans suffering from PTSD.
    @ 07m 24s
    November 14, 2021

Episode Quotes

  • I just wanted the pain to stop.
    New hope in treating PTSD with psychedelic drugs
  • It really did change my life, come on buddy.
    New hope in treating PTSD with psychedelic drugs
  • I still think I can be a better person.
    New hope in treating PTSD with psychedelic drugs
  • There's real hope out there that may really end up being a game changer.
    New hope in treating PTSD with psychedelic drugs

Key Moments

  • Veterans and PTSD00:03
  • MDMA Treatment02:00
  • Breakthrough Designation03:38
  • Hope for Healing07:24

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