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it means the world to me to know that um he can answer all the questions that I have that that some of my family members
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have you know United States had a death penalty for juveniles when he was sentenced and if he had only been a
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little older he could have gotten the death penalty that could have been carried out and I always I'm so thankful
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that didn't happen that he's not dead that he's here that he's alive and and that he can
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answer me it was such a healing thing for me to meet with him that first time and to have this back and forth where
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he'd say something and i' you know question it he has been incredibly courageous and honest with me even when
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it puts him in a bad light that first meeting sometimes before a particularly difficult you know detail that he was
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revealing he'd asked me you know are are you okay you know this is going to be hard to hear do you want to hear this he
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was very sensitive to how you know I might react to some of the you know horrific uh details of what he
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did you know since I've been visiting him I've gotten to know that he's very ashamed of what he did he's ashamed of
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the person he was he's ashamed of that 16-year-old boy who was so stupid who was stupid enough to get a gun now he
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says he hates guns you know he he sees the violence and the grief that that they spread um and the trouble that that
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they caused for everyone the the shooter and the victim