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what we were trying to do was to move individuals from a zone of defiance into a zone of cooperation and then the
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intelligence gathering began under CIA supervision detainees would be slapped and grabbed deprived of
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sleep forced onto liquid diets even confined in a coffin-like box with l and six there was nudity uh there was water
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dousing cramped confinement stress positions and then there is the infamous technique known as water
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boarding the body responds as if the body thinks it's drowning am I happy we had to do it of course
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not the president looked at the techniques and decided he was going to take two techniques off the table himself I do
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not know or nor do I recall what techniques were taken off the table but there are some inside the CIA
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who have grave [Music] doubts there were a number of those techniques that I personally uh felt
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were uh inappropriate not necessary beyond the pale as a senior CI officer at the time
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and I had expressed my my discomfort and my um my concerns about uh these techniques believing that they were
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going to um come back to haunt us a CIA I did that with individuals colleagues at the agency did he ever come and
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complain to you about the enhanced interrogation techniques no he never came to you and said hey you know what
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George I think this is wrong no he never did no early on in the program there were
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terrible mistakes made and two people did die and it's regrettable one detainee severely
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injured during his capture is left untreated during a CIA interrogation in an Iraqi prison and
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dies another is Shackled half naked on a cold floor at a CIA black site in Afghanistan he is found dead of
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hypothermia no charges are ever brought against the officers involved it's awful
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that those things happen but happen but it happens you know I mean you know we were at
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War the fog of War