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[Music] 911 emergency police what's going on there man we are [Applause] kidnapping please explain to me what's
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going on okay there we have a there's no left and our daughter's gone a note was left and your daughter
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is gone how old is your daughter she's gone T his [Applause] own she is Forever Frozen in Time John
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Bonet ramsy 6 years old dressed for a beauty pageant and we still don't know who killed her the day after Christmas
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in 1996 John Benet was reported missing with a rambling Ransom note left at the scene several hours later she was found
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dead in her own home bludgeoned and strangled it was a media sensation suspicion fell on her parents John and
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paty Ramsey the couple was never charged but early on there was a police theory that paty Ramsay may have killed her
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daughter in a fit of rage over bed weding and then covered it up now in his 80s John Ramsey is still trying to clear
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his and Patsy's names fighting the killer isn't going to change my life at this point
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but it will change the lives of my children and my grandchildren This Cloud needs to
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be removed from our family's head and this chapter closed for their benefit so there is an answer I'll have more from
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that interview later but first a time capsule a look back at how 48 Hours covered the story in 2002
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if our DNA matched anything significant they would have arrested US in a New York minute take a look at this I did
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not kill my child 48 Hours investigates has obtained the police interrogation tapes of John and paty Ramsey never made
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public until tonight I don't give a flying flip house scientific go back to the damn drawing board Aaron morard
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heads up our six-month investigation I don't think the Ramsey did it and I think they ought to start looking for
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people that did 48 Hours investigates searching for a [Music] killer she was the spark plug of our
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family because of this zest that she had she just kept things alive and hopping it's not the same without
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her why is it so hard for people ble to understand that we love this child with everything in our being we would
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never touch a hair on the head of one of our children I mean it just is inconceivable to
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me their faces are instantly recognizable but John and paty Ramsey are famous in a way no one would want
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although they've never been publicly called suspects or charged with the 1996 death of their daughter John Benet they
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are resigned to a painful reality we could find the killer tomorrow he could be arrested
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convicted and you know jailed and there'd still be 20% of the population would think that we had something to do
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with it did your daughter have a bed wedding incident that night did you get up did you get angry and did you hurt
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her no I did not what is your reaction when you know many people think that's what you did they
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are wrong I don't know what else to say how else do you say no except no no means
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no come on come onom over the last several months we have spent a great deal of time with the Ramses these
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favorite villains of the tabloids Big old tires make this hard and I've seen them in in a way few others
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have fishing box that hadn't been used in a long time on this day just this past summer old flight bag John and paty
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Ramsay are moving life has never been the same and it has basically ruined us financially
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and emotionally and everything else so we're SC back this is my wedding dress they are selling their million dooll
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home in Atlanta and moving to a smaller townhouse just down the road John Ramsey once the head of a
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billion dooll software company hasn't worked for 4 years while py has been quite literally fighting for her life is
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Portrait here's the my broken heart and my tears in a rare unguarded moment thought I would paint during my cancer
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treatment but I was just so sick I couldn't without her makeup without her wig without even her eyebrows drawn in
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you can clearly see the damage left by the return of her cancer how did you find out I was back in February for my
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annual checkup nine years ago paty learned she had stage for ovarian cancer she made
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what she hoped was a full recovery but earlier this year she again went through debilitating chemotherapy you lost your
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hair yes it's going back my eyebrows are growing back it all comes out but you know what
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that's very little thing to worry about in fact Patsy Ramsey has much bigger concerns almost from the moment the body
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of their six-year-old daughter John Benet was discovered Boulder Police belied John and paty killed their
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daughter and then staged a kidnapping complete with a rambling 2 and 1/2 page Ransom note to cover it up they've never
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investigated this case other than to investigate the family they have never investigated this case police say they
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haven't ruled out other theories to this day the ramies Remain the prime suspects
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as you will see in this videotape obtained exclusively by 48 hours you have not classified any individual as a
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suspect publicly correct while testifying under oath in a civil case just last November Boulder police
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chief Mark Beckner admitted what he had never before said publicly internally John and paty are considered suspects
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both of them yes are considered to have probably been involved in the death of their daughter probability yes why do
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you think you remain probably the prime suspect in the eyes of the Boulder Police I asked Mark Beckner that I came
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closer to him in the face face than I am to you Aaron and I said tell me what it
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is that makes you think I killed my beautiful precious child and he said well well it's just a lot of little
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things I think he really doesn't know but because police didn't have enough evidence sources within the
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investigation tell 48 Hours the police tried to psychologically break the ramies hoping one or both would confess
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but it was a strategy that was put in place to bring immense pressure on us to break us that strategy by summon the
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department claims John Ramsey included a Relentless campaign of leaks fed mostly
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to the nation's tabloids that had a devastating effect on public opinion they convinced the public of guilt Lynnwood
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is John and paty Ramsay's attorney you couldn't go to buy groceries for your family without passing headlines that
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said that John Ramsey had had molested his first daughter absolutely false headlines that John and paty
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Ramsey were pornographers absolutely false headlines that they were devil worshippers absolutely
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false the ramies believe that the Boulder Police still to this day continue to ignore evidence pointing to
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other suspects it's frustrating it's disappointing makes me angry you say it makes you
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angry but you don't seem angry do do you think that's also hurt you in the eyes of the public well we're not soap opera
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actors I mean I I suppose if I was an actor I could act really angry but I'm not that's who I am is what you see and
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I'm angry this is angry for me angry because John Ramsey says a killer or Killers remain free what I do know is
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that we didn't kill our daughter so let's look at the rest of the picture guys next on 48 Hours investigates my
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life has been hell from that day forward the police interrogation of the ramies you've never seen
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[Music] before today's date is uh today's is June 23rd 19983 June 1998 Broomfield Police Department right
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at the time approximately 904 a year and a half after John Benet was murdered John and paty Ramsey sitting in separate
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rooms at the same time were questioned by Boulder authorities in a Colorado police station these tapes have never
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before been seen publicly there's been a lot of speculation by a lot of people that maybe you didn't know anything
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about the murder but maybe P questioning John is Lou Smith a homicide detective them working for the boulder DA's office
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it's Preposterous I mean py uh loves both her children dearly uh but frankly she and John B
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were extremely close a Christmas morning photo of the kids Detective Tom Haney questioned py who at the time was taking
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medication for both anxiety and depression if I told you right now that we have prce evidence that appears to
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link you to the death of John Benet what would you tell me that's is totally impossible go test
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how is it impossible I did not kill my child I didn't have a thing to do with it and I'm not talking you know
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somebody's guest or some rumor or some story I'm I don't care what you're talking about I'm talking about
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scientific evidence I don't give a flying flip house scientific go back to the damn drawing board I didn't do it
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John Ramsey didn't do it and we didn't have a clue of anybody who did do it so we all got to start working
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together from here this day forward to try to find out who the hell did it 48 Hours investigates has acquired these
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tapes hours upon hours of footage that take you inside the investigation while the tapes show how
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strongly prosecutors believe John and paty Ramsey were responsible for the death of their daughter frankly there
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isn't a lot of physical evidence that links them so questioners looked for inconsistencies and focused on minute
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details from the crime scene what have you heard about pineapple well we were asked you know to J to eat pineapple and
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and uh because apparently it was found in her system I think part of the question was what did she eat it in when
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she got home you know I'm sure she didn't because she was absolute sound asleep the ramies told police that John
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Benet had gone straight to bed that night and had not eaten at home but autopsy results did find undigested
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pineapple in John benet's stomach and police discovered fingerprints on a bowl of pineapple left in the family's dining
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room on the morning of the murder I didn't put the bowl there okay I did not put the ball there I would not do this
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set up like this okay but let's go back to your line of reasoning here if they weren't no talk to me okay look at
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me if they're not not yours and they're not John's then they would be somebody else's but now I'm telling you they're
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not somebody else's those pars belong to one of the two you they did you're sure well I don't know I did not put
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that there the fingerprints on the bowl are Pais according to police suggesting that she's the one who gave the fruit to
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her daughter but if py did give it to John Benet and is lying about it then investigators wondered could she be
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lying about everything you know sometimes the simplest most obscure little thing could be so
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significant right I did not be J P okay so I don't know how it got in her stomach I don't know where this B of
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pineapple came from I can't recall putting that there after 3 days of questioning the interrogation in 1998
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ended and even though the ramies were not indicted Boulder authorities continued to believe they were guilty so
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in August of 2000 prosecutors flew to Atlanta where the ramies were living asking to see and hear new evidence 48
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Hours has also acquired those tapes if ever there were going to be an intruder on trial the defense is going to be the
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you did it remember that I remember that but um I'm not here to prove my innocence
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I'm here to find K my daughter with John prosecutors asked questions mostly about
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leads he had uncovered on other suspects but with paty interrogators were more accusatory suggesting they had new
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evidence clothing fibers that would tie her directly to the murder you were shown photographed wearing a red coat
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it's kind of a black and red and gray fleece cut more like a a Blazer though it's like a peac
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coat Bruce Levan from the boulder District Attorney's Office led the questioning this is ramsy I have
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scientific evidence from forensic scientists that say that there's fibers in the paint tray that match your red
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jacket the paint tray is significant because a brush from it along with some rope was used to strangle and sexually
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abuse John Benet we believe that fibers from jacket were found in the paint tray
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were found tied into the ligature found on John benet's neck were found on the blanket that she's wrapped in we found
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on the duct tape that's found on her mouth I have no evidence from any scientist to suggest that those fibers
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are from any Source other than your red jacket well but that's come on I mean they what other sources did they test
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paty's attorney Lynn wood asked prosecutors to produce the evidence when they wouldn't he refused to let go on
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the record but she did go on the record with us what do you think about these fibers
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after John discovered the body and she was brought to the living room when I laid eyes on
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her I knelt down and hugged her but I was had my whole body on her body my sweater fibers or
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whatever I had on that morning are going to transfer to her clothing in all the questioning the prosecutors focus more
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on paty than John following their belief that she was the killer John Benet got up and somebody in that house legally
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lawfully in the house one of the three of you also happens to be up or gets up because she makes noise
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and there's some discussion or something happens there's an accident somebody going down the wrong
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path buddy okay somebody accidentally or somebody get upset over bad wedding that's one of the
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things that's been proposed didn't happen if she got up in the night and ran into somebody it was
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somebody there that wasn't supposed to be there I don't know what transpired after
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that whether it was an accident intentional premeditated or or whatnot but it was not one of her three family
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members that were also in that house period and these tapes don't always show the Ramsay at their best but remarkably
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it was the ramies who made them available saying they want all the information on this case out in the open
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as for the Boulder Police and prosecutors they denied repeated requests from 48 hours to discuss these
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tapes or any of the issues were're raising tonight their only comment on the ramsy murder investigation is no
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comment I mean I appreciate being here I appreciate it it's very hard to be here
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but it is a damn sight harder to be sitting at home in Atlanta Georgia wondering every second of every day what
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you guys are doing out here you know have you found anything are we any closer is the guy out here watching my
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house you know it's my son safe my life has been hell from that day forward and I want nothing
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more than to find out who is responsible for this you just saw this man interrogate
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the ramies as a detective I'm looking for Clues wait until you hear what he has to say about the case now they may
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not like what I say but I'm going to say it 100 miles away from where John Benet
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Ramsey was murdered in a modest home in Colorado Springs how often do you think about this case now probably every day
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67-year-old Lou Smith works every day alone trying to find her killer I keep a picture of her in my wallet you have
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John Benet in your wallet I keep it all the time do you have it with this is the
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same Lou Smith you saw interrogating John Ramsey back in 1998 I concentrate my investigation on
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you a veteran detective this was like the homicides that I worked on with such an impressive record for solving
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homicides that the boulder district attorney hired him on the ramsy murder case I have to stick up for the Boulder
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Police for a little bit and when you started who did you believe killed John Benet Ramsey my gut feeling was app
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parents did it but as Smith followed the evidence and questioned the ramies the more he became convinced that the
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Boulder police were focusing on the wrong Suspects John Ramsey came through very very sincere so when I first found
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her I was like thank God I found her when I left that interview there was no doubt in my mind that he had nothing to
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do with the death of his daughter SMI quit the investigation in disgust they hired me as a detective to take a look
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at this case they may not like what I say but I'm going to say it I don't think the Ramsey did it and I think they
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ought to start looking for people that did you how would you describe L Smith he's My Hope in finding out who killed
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my daughter as a detective I'm looking for Clues what is it that convinces Lou Smith that someone other than the Ramsay
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killed their six-year-old daughter first and foremost the brutality of the crime
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nearly every medical expert who has seen the autopsy report agrees on one thing this was not an accidental death John
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Benet Ramsey was cruy and deliberately murdered we need to warn you that what you are about to see is very disturbing
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what do we see here John Benet was strangled not once says SMI but twice with this intricately made device known
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as a garat that had to been made by the killer during the murder you see hair right inside the windings of that cord
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that's John benet's hair it's a device says Smith that was not left there for show whoever killed John Benet used the
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garat to strangle her Smith believed she was fighting for her life there were marks s that look a lot like scratches
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on her neck she did have her own DNA under her fingernails I'm pretty sure that's a
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scratch to get that off I think she was struggling then at some point the child was then hit over the head with such
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force it crushed her skull but her nightmare wasn't over shortly before she died investigators believed she was
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sexually assaulted with a piece of the paintbrush that was used to make the garat there's no motive for the parent
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to do that the evidence says SMI simply does not support the popular theory that
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the ramsy struck their daughter and then tried to cover it up it's not a mother waking up in the middle of the night
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saying oops I think I hurt my child oops I got to bring her downstairs and fashion one of these things then I'm
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going to put it around her neck and I'm going to tighten it a couple times while
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she's struggling now if you want to believe that go ahead I can't say this on air but that's bull but what about
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those fibers from paty Ramsay's jacket that police say were in the paint tray and on the sticky side of duct tape
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covering Jan's mouth is the fact that there were fibers that were consistent with paty Ramsay's jacket incriminating
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sure but does that shake your faith that the Rams were not involved no you just can't rely on fiber evidence because
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fibers could come off of a jacket or something similar to the jacket what's more says smid there were also dozens of
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unidentified fibers that didn't come from the ramies and Smith is unaware of a single case where a parent used a
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garat like this to kill a child this is one of the best Clues left behind by the
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killer this shows what's going on in his mind this is a sexual device I'm looking
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for a pedophile that's a sexual stus that's what Lou Smith's looking for Smith's not the only one well there's 57
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pages of names that have come out of the tip files and Colorado private detective
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olly gray and his partner John sanagustin were hired by the ramsy two years ago that would be John benet's room right
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here on the second level even when the Rams ran out of money Olie and John stayed on the job we probably do
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something on it two or three times a week even though you're not getting paid sure they became convinced of the
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Ramsay's innocence after seeing this lab report I acquired a document that you see right here that names John and paty
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Ramsey as suspects was submitted for an is reference DNA just days after John Benet
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was murdered her parents were asked to give DNA samples to the Boulder Police the two of you have given DNA evidence
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to the police absolutely blood hair DNA every we've given them everything they've asked for their DNA was compared
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to foreign DNA found under their daughter's fingernails and in her panties which may have been left by the
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killer does any of that DNA match anyone in the Ramsey family no this analysis eliminates the ramies if our DNA matched
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anything significant they would have arrested US in a New York minute and don't ever think they wouldn't have if
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not the ramies then who killed John Benet this is where I believe that the killer
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got in retired homicide detective Lou Smith was still working on the official investigation when he concluded that a
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stranger came into the Ramsey home he opened a great he went in and killed their six-year-old
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daughter there's three Windows there the center one was the one that was open take a look real closely at the window
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on the left what you're going to see is leaves and debris pressed right up against the window now let's take a look
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at the one again in the center no leaves or debris which says that window was open directly below that open window you
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have a suitcase directly around that suitcase you have leaves and debris from that window well around that suitcase
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also see if you look very closely you're going to see a Mark that goes right down
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the wall right here a scuff mark that Smith believes was left by someone either climbing in or climbing out you
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can fit through that window oh without any problem in fact he has as you can see in this video shot is part of
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Smith's investigation it is much easier to go out that window if you stand on something you put the suitcase in front
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you step on the suitcase and you're right out into the window well lift the grate you're gone it's that easy but why
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would an intruder who intended to kill John Benet leave the bizarre 2 and a half page Ransom note written with paper
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and a pen belonging to py Boulder Police have always believed that py used it to
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make the killing look like a kidnapping but if someone had been targeting John B
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Ramsey wouldn't he least bring the the paper and the pencil to write this Ransom note I mean well if you want to
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look at it from a sophisticated criminals mind they probably wouldn't bring it in why would you bring in
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something that can be traced back to your house where you have actual the pen and the ink and you have the uh the
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paper right there that it was written on but you can't count on finding that in the house can't count on it most houses
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have that no expert could eliminate paty Ramsey as the writer of The Ransom note
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that's damning isn't it no not at all you always are going to have similarities in handwriting to sit down
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and write a note like that with all of those details in there after you brutally killed your daughter you'd
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never done that before come on give me a break but more than any other evidence Smith believes small marks left on John
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benet's face and back prove an intruder killed her the killer had a stun gun I am sure the killer had a stun gun a stun
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gun an electrical weapon used to incapacitate the little girl in order to move her to the
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basement Smith believes only an intruder would need to use one there's no reason at all for the
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parents to have used a stun gun to help stage the murder of their daughter was there any indication that that the ramsy
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had ever owned a stun gun there is nothing to indicate the ram is everyone a stun gun What's significant about
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these injuries says Smith is that those on the child's face and those on her back appear to be an equal distance
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apart it's approximately 3.5 CM much like the prongs of this stun gun and they're approximately 3.5 CM apart and
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if I push this Dr Michael doerson you can see the electricity arcing the coroner for neighboring arapo County
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also believes the marks on John Benet were left by a stun gun if it's not a stun gun I'd like to know what it is
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three other Pathologists agreed but the Boulder police are relying instead On this man's opinion how sure are you that
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it's not a stun gun well I'm 100% sure because stun gun injuries don't look that way Dr Werner Spitz a nationally
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known forensic pathologist who has worked on major cases including the assassination of John F Kennedy a stun
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gun injury is a um is an electrical burn is a burn essentially and these don't look like Burns unfortunately with only
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photographs to go by no expert not Dr Spitz nor Dr doerson can be 100% sure wouldn't that have been the best way to
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know or come the closest to knowing is if you could have exed the body and line up a stun gun and see if it matches
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those injuries sure I believe that uh that would have probably been the most accurate way to do it l Smith admits
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that in the months following John benet's death investigators consider going to court to have her body exume
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but decided against it we had buried our child she was at peace that was just an
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a an abhorent thought but John that might have been the one way to know for sure that could have resolved the whole
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issue because if a stun gum was used it was not the parents certainly and we've got people that have told us that know
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what they're doing that with 95% medical certainty that a stun gun was used no question but you would have known with
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100% certainty if you had exume the body as tough as that would have been my child you're talking about it's not a
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body it's different still Smith believes a stung gun is the key to John benet's murder and he's searching for a killer
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or Killers who own one the person who did this if we're right he's still out there what do you make of the Intruder
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Theory see more of the evidence at 48 hours.com [Music] on the cold December night that marked
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the one-year anniversary of John benet's murder dozens of mourners showed up for
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a candlelight vigil outside the Ramsay [Music] home one man in particular caught
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investigator L Smith's eye many times criminals do return to the scene and that was on the anniversary that puts
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him right there at the Ramsey house a year later he's Gary Oliva a 38-year-old convicted sex offender from Oregon who
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lives in Boulder he definitely is a sex offender for assaulting another seven-year-old girl in Oregon they spent
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time in prison for that Smith is convinced that a pedophile came into the Ramsey home and killed their daughter on
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my computer I probably got uh 25 good leads and I probably have another 50 pages of other leads to follow among the
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files he's keeping on sex offenders in Boulder Gary oliva's name stands out in 1991 the year after he sexually
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assaulted the little girl police reports say he tried to strangle his mother with
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a telephone cord and in December 1996 Oliva may have been only a few houses away from John benet's bedroom
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window this is the alley behind this the alley that runs behind the Ramsey home leads into the backyard to the garage
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area it wasn't uncommon for John Bay and Burke to ride their bicycles around the
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alleyway John sanagustin and olly gray the Ramsay's private investigators say Oliva frequented these buildings owned
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by a local church a lot of Transit people come here for food and also to pick up their mail but why is this
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relevant the ramsy home is what 10 houses right up this alley right up this alley what did the
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Boulder Police do with this nothing according to Lou Smith the police didn't follow up on 95% of the more than 3,000
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phone tips that came in in oliva's case they didn't investigate him until nearly
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four years after John Benet Ramsay's death when he was caught with drugs and guess what else a stun gun did you ever
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use that stun gun on a child no Oliva who is wanted in Oregon for parole violations turned himself into the
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Boulder Police 2 weeks ago did you hurt or killed John B Ramsey no no I didn't didn't you tell your friend that
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you were attracted to little girls I don't think I want to answer that okay you were living in Boulder at the time
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JN B was killed yeah just down the street yeah what he will admit to is an obsession with John Benet I believe that
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she came to me after she was killed and revealed herself to me as it turns out were not the only ones interested in
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Oliva a Boulder police officer showed up to take notes I would be concerned if any lead was not fully taken to ground
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former Boulder district attorney Alex Hunter says police tried to follow up on pedophiles but admits that early on the
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force was clearly over whelmed didn't your office have to tell police officers you got to look at these other leads you
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can't just focus on the Rams well it was said probably not in quite that language
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but yes can I have a cigarette why didn't authorities take a sex offender like Oliva more seriously
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just this week Boulder Police said Oliva is not a suspect sources say his DNA doesn't
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match evidence at the scene nor does ours what do you think of that I think it's a double standard don't
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you is it fair to say then that the state of the evidence right now there just isn't enough to convict the Ramsey
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Beyond A Reasonable Doubt there isn't enough to convict anybody Beyond A Reasonable Doubt but Alex Hunter
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believes this case someday can be solved although he doesn't think L Smith is the
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man to do it do you feel that L Smith's feelings for the ramies clouded his judgment I think a little bit
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Hunter believes SMI a devout Christian crossed a line when working as a DA investigator he prayed with the ramies
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do you think maybe you've gotten too close to Rams well let's put it this way I don't think I did if the ramsy did
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this and I found out I'd be first one standing in line at the Boulder Police Department John Benet Ramsey would have
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been 12 years old this year and in sixth grade instead she's buried in a Georgia
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Cemetery while her brutal killer or Killers Go free next a new interview with John
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[Music] ramsy remarkably not much has changed since that 2002 program the case is at a
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standstill but with a passage of so much time comes a l of some key figures most
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notably paty Ramsey who died of cancer in 2006 she was 49 John Ramsey remarried 5 years later I
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think back about paty and I remember py saying that your lives could not go on until the killer was found well how much
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weight was that on paty before she died paty was very strong woman she really was and a very kind person a wonderful
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mother she got pretty vilified in the media which was horribly unfair I think hurt deeper than it
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showed investigator L Smith worked on the case almost until the day he died in August
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2010 his family continues to pursue leads John do you believe this case could be solved yes I do if the police
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will take advantage of all the technology that's available to them and that's going to one or two of the
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world's Cutting Edge labs for DNA testing and I think if they do that and if we're successful
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getting a sample in the right format and then do the genealogy research I'm 80% confident it could be solved but you got
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to do it in November 2024 the Boulder Police Department reled released a statement which said the
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assertion that there is viable evidence in leads we are not pursuing to include DNA testing is completely false the
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department said there is an ongoing investigation and they're looking into the recommendations made by a recent
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cold case review team police chief Steven Redfern we have thoroughly investigated multiple people identified
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as suspects throughout the years and we continue to be open-minded about what occurred as we investigate the tips that
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come in to detectives John Ramy remains hopeful that these new efforts May finally
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reveal the killer a killer he believes was already waiting in their house when the family came home from dinner that
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Christmas night we were casual with our security in our home in bowler we thought it was a safe place and we got
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casual and and complacent when you look back are there anything you wish you had
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done differently the little beauty pageants they participated in and I wouldn't have done
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that you need to keep your children private it was Conflict for me because py had just recovered from stage four
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ovarian cancer was grateful to have some life ahead of her in remission she didn't know how
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long to spend with her children and to raise her children I think she tried to pack a lot of mother daughter time in
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that period of time that she knew she had ahead of her do you ever dream about John B Benet or wonder what she would
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have been like now well I dream I occasionally have dreams and they're really wonderful dreams but I don't try
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to imagine what she would have been she's she was in my life for six years and was
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my little girl and that's how her remember [Music] [Music] as a kid growing up in Chicago there was
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one horror movie I was too scared to watch it was called Candyman but did you know that the movie Candyman was partly
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inspired by an actual murder listen to Candyman the true story behind the bathroom mirror murder wherever you get
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your podcasts I'm Erin morard of 48 hours and of all the cases I've covered this is the one that troubles me most
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listen to murder in the Orange Grove the trouble case against Crosley green wherever you get your podcast
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