THEY'RE HIDING THE TRUTH ABOUT AI

The people building AI say it could destroy humanity… so why are they still racing to build it?

To help answer that, I’m joined by Karen Hao. She’s someone who’s spent years speaking to the people at the centre of this race, conducting over 300 interviews, including insiders at OpenAI to understand what’s really going on.

Karen is a journalist who has been covering artificial intelligence for years, looking closely at how these systems are built and what’s really driving them.

As we get into this conversation, what becomes clear is how much of the story we hear about AI is controlled by a small number of people - and how difficult it is to separate what’s being said publicly from what’s actually happening behind the scenes.

So, I asked Karen:

- Who is actually making the key decisions inside AI companies? - Why are companies accelerating development despite the risks? - What do insiders say privately that they don’t say publicly? - How much transparency is there around how these systems are built? - What incentives are really driving this race forward?

There are moments in this conversation where I’m trying to understand how much of this is about progress, and how much of it is about power. The more we unpack it, the more it feels like this isn’t just a technology story.

It’s about who gets to shape the future, and how those decisions are being made.

If you want a clearer view of what’s actually happening inside the AI industry and who is driving it forward, this episode is worth your time.