HUMANS WILL BE EXTINCT BY ______ š³
- Dec 4, 2025
- 1:30
- Short
Why are CEOs of AI companies privately warning about the extinction of humans?
To understand that, Iām joined by someone who helped build the fieldā¦
Stuart Russell is one of the worldās leading AI researchers. He co-wrote Artificial Intelligence*: ā*A Modern Approachā - the textbook used to train AI engineers in more than 1,500 universities.
He has spent decades advising governments and global leaders on the safety and control of advanced AI.
Right now, the people building the most powerful AI systems are raising alarms in private that they rarely voice in public.
Some estimate up to a 25% chance that AI could lead to human extinctionā¦
Stuart has heard these conversations directly.
He believes weāre in a race we donāt really understand, pushed by incentives no one is really controlling.
So I asked him:
- Why canāt governments control this race? - What happens when AI becomes more capable than humans? - How close are we to losing control? - What would safe AI actually look like? - Is there still time to change course?
Itās clear that so many people want clarity on this topic. When we spoke to Geoffrey Hinton and other AI safety experts, millions of people listened - It showed me how concerned and curious the public really is.
I also had to acknowledge something in myself. I invest in AI companies, while also spending hours on this podcast speaking to people warning about the risks.
That contradiction is real, but I donāt think things are ever as simple as āgoodā or ābad.ā
The most honest people I know can hold both truths at once, and thatās why I respect Stuart.
He tells the truth even when itās uncomfortable, when people donāt want to hear it.
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Brief Summary
Experts warn that AI superintelligence could lead to human extinction, comparing it to the Midas touch and the gorilla problem.
Key points
- The Gorilla Problem. Using the evolution of gorillas to illustrate the risks of AI surpassing human intelligence.
- The Midas Touch and AI. Exploring how the legend of King Midas reflects our current technological pursuits.
Episode highlights
- The Gorilla ProblemUsing the evolution of gorillas to illustrate the risks of AI surpassing human intelligence.āSo intelligence is actually the single most important factor to control planet earth.ā0:33Dec 4, 2025
- The Midas Touch and AIExploring how the legend of King Midas reflects our current technological pursuits.āGreed is driving these companies to pursue technology with the probabilities of extinction being worse than playing Russian roulette.ā1:02Dec 4, 2025





